Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

05/05/2025, and we're here at the Public Safety Standing Committee meeting. Call to order. Roll call, alderman, O'Neil is not present, but we have Alderman Gay who's on Zoom at this time. I've spoken with him. To approve the minutes, we will defer that to the next meeting. General discussion, but we're gonna approve the we're gonna move, the agenda, and we're gonna start with the police department, then the fire department, then the office of emergency management. Alderman Gay, can you make a motion to approve the agenda as amended?

I will. I make a motion to approve the public safety committee agenda as amended.

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Yes. We're back live. Sorry for the delay. Roll call. Alderman O'Neil is not here. Alderman Gay. Alderman Gay.

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Okay. Good. Very good. Roll call again. Alderman O'Neil is not present. Alderman Gay, are you here? Present. Thank you. And we need to, amend the agenda. We're gonna have police go first, then fire, then office of emergency management. Can you make a motion to approve the agenda as amended?

I'll make a motion to approve the amended as agenda.

Thank you. Second. All in favor? Aye. I hear no no noes. We have with us this evening chief Jackson, captain Thacker, and captain Howard. Alright. Good evening, gentlemen. Sorry for the delay. Okay. Yes, sir.

Okay. Good evening, madam chair. Good evening, Alderman Gay. Of course, staff has already been introduced. I had my deputy chief here earlier, but he had to go home and attend to something urgent. His daughter's fine, but he had to attend to something else urgent. So he had to leave about an hour ago. But of course, I have my two captains with me who can chime in. We'll be quick because I know time is of the essence and the weather is supposed to be severe. But I'd like to start off to kind of give an overview.

You know, we have out summer crime plan in effect. All eight wards will be represented in the crime plan at some point or another. The crime plan is going to be data driven and then there's activities we're gonna have in any crime or crime prevention strategies and activities that we're gonna have in all eight wards. Visibility, we're gonna do as many crime prevention initiatives as we can possibly do. And we have some other things planned like some softer things like in community engagement.

We want to have them every couple of weeks and to make sure that the residents get a sense of presence from the Annapolis Police Department. So, we're kind of excited and I'm looking forward to seeing how the evidence based information stats that we received from Christine O'Neil bears out at the end of the summer when the summer plan will commence. And I'll just say as of with the last year, you know, we estimated that it will be over with September, but if things don't settle down and we don't see a marked difference, we'll continue it as long as we need to until we get a sense and the residents get a sense that things are okay. And so we're looking forward to that. And now just kind of what I'll do is I'll kind of give a quick overview and then I'll have the two captains talk about some things.

I like for him to for captain Thackle just to take a couple of minutes when I finish to talk about the way he has these officers or our officers engaged. I've been pleased with what I saw. So, if the summer plan is implemented, I'm sorry. If the summer plan is implemented the way that he has these young men and women engaged already. I think that the residents are going to be pleased with the results and we should have a relatively peaceful summer.

I wish I could guarantee crime free, but of course I can't guarantee that. But I think it'll be a safe city throughout the course of the summer. So I'll start off with the homicides and where they rank. Of course, Ward 3 ranks a tie for first with Wards 1 And 7. During the fiscal year from 2024 to the present, we've had two homicide. But the calendar year, so far in 2025, we've only had one. And that homicide was on Claw

Hoe Claw.

Hoe Claw. I'm sorry. Hoe Claw involving the 18 year old. And, of course, the homicide that occurred in 2024 was the 55 year old female who was gunned down on Forest Drive at Barwater in front of the Safeway. And so and that was tied to another incident in Georgetown.

Yeah. And so those are the two homicides. Rape, they ranked second out of eight wards. But of those rapes of those eight rapes, five of them were domestic related. And when according to National Incident Based Reporting System and the old UCR, those were crimes that police couldn't have reasonably put prevented because it's interpersonal violence.

Meaning that the victim had a relationship with her attacker. And so that that's difficult to police. So out of the with the rapes, five of those eight rapes were domestic and they ranked second. I'll go down to aggravated assault. Aggravated assaults, of course, are assaults used where a weapon is used and the intent is to inflict severe bodily harm to maim all the way up to death.

Technically, when somebody's shot, that's an aggravated assault. Just to give you an example, a stab. And out of the eight wards, Ward 3 had a total of 31 and they were second out of the eight wards. 19 of those 19 of them were domestic. And the locations where they occurred, seven were in residential on the residential premises and the other 14 were on the street. So seven were committed in the residence, the other 14 were on the street. Then I'll move down to robbery. These are all crimes against persons. They're tied for a third, again, with Wards 1 And 7. The robberies, two are domestic.

The weapons used, four with a hand, three with a firearm, one with a knife, and then one other was characterized as other. Next is burglary and they were fifth out of the eight wards. They had a total of nine and they were fifth out of eight wards. Three were domestic, three were residential, no force. One was residential force and five were businesses force.

And when we say force, don't mean physical force against a human being. A window was broken, the door was pried, they gained entry by using some type of device or even their hands to break in. The next one is theft. And this is where they were at the top of the charts. They were first out of the eight wards. You had 18 from motor vehicles. You had 58 from shop lifting. You had 36 from a building. You had 11 from motor vehicle parts. And the other 15 were all others and we had one purse snatching.

And the difference between the purse snatching robbery or assault and purse snatching is that the manner was that they made no physical contact with the victim. They just snatched the purse out of her hand or out of his hand. And then the last category is motor vehicle theft. We had 20 and they were second out of the eight wards. Three of the suspects were known to the victim.

Eight were unlocked, and and, they were recovered. 10 were locked and recovered. One was locked and not recovered, and one was unlocked and not recovered. So we have two motor vehicle thefts or stolen autos that we commonly refer to them as not recovered. The other 18, were recovered.

Chief, my my numbers for Ward 3 don't look too good.

I mean, you well, you know, when we got to the businesses, it it jumped out because you have so many businesses on West Street

and Right.

Yeah. And and so along that quarter, you have 100 more than a 100 businesses.

I got over 900 in my ward alone.

And you have yes, ma'am. You have so many yards where there's a lot of, businesses. And

And even a personal I mean, as far as the crimes against person, either second or first or tied, is there a crime plan for Ward 3, I guess? And and you have your two stellar folks sitting here. I'm just wondering, how can we mitigate some of this? I mean, with some things as far as shoplifting and all, not much, I guess, you can do about that with the businesses.

Because that's yes, ma'am. That's probably property. That's just some legal

issues there. We can do as far as a prime plan is concerned in Ward 3, I guess, is my my my ultimate question.

Well, I'll

let them talk, but I'll start off saying that the the plan that what I asked them to do is that we have to engage in intelligence based enforcement. Meaning that we have to look at the crime, we have to know where the crime is most likely to occur, we have to look at different trends and then we have the special enforcement action team, SEEP, which is a group of young men, no women, all young men, right? Yeah, young men that are gonna be out there in plain clothes who are highly trained, who are going to know what to look for in terms of trying to identify other individuals wanting on warrants or the characteristics of those individuals who are walking around. That's one component of it. And then I'll well, I'll let them talk about everything from one initiatives and that's where captain Howard and captain Thacker can come in.

So that's how we're mitigate that in addition to the community out. But either one of you can start.

So, madam chair, as as we look at your violence, your crimes against persons, so your homicides, you're you're tied with one you're tied with two other wards, one in seven. So the homicides that you that that occurred in in your ward, they were both targeted. One was inside of a private dwelling, and the other, she was in her privately owned vehicle and was shot and killed inside of a a parking lot. So outside of, you know, maybe knowing prior to those incidents. The the good thing for your war, we we don't have a lot of people walking around carrying gun.

That's that's that's what we know. We've we've been targeting wards like Ward 6 and Ward 2, because of the historical data that we had that was driving those numbers in 2023 going into 2024. Your rates, again, out of the you have five rapes.

Is that And all of them were domestic?

Yeah. All domestic.

Partner violence inside of a a property owned residence. The aggravated assault, again, you look at your aggravated assault, thirty one. Nineteen were domestic. Again, inter part inter partner violence. So it seems like the education piece

Right. Exactly.

The education piece, house of Ruth, you know, a a a domestic violence advocate, someone who can partner with us to get that message out to to make sure that we don't have the numbers going into 2025 that we saw in 2024. I think that's that's one way that's one direction to go in as well.

That's key.

Yes, ma'am. And it's and it you know, it's it's one thing to put things out on social media, on the on the VMS boards. You know, when we talk about the the stolen autos, every ward, you you know, when it comes to the stolen autos, it just seems like

Lock your car.

Lock your car. Take the extra keys out.

Don't leave

Don't leave any valuables. That that that is the driving message for all eight wards that we that we that we talked about until we were blue in the face, in 2024.

So should there be some sort of aggressive campaign when it comes to again, it's the and and the chief and I talked about this, few few weeks ago. The the consistency of putting it out there over and over and over and over again. We do it, and then things, you know, stop, and we stop doing it, and then it starts up again. So if there's a consistent message over and over and over and over again, like any kind of commercial or social I'm not talking about social media, but any kind of media message, finally, it starts to kinda, I think, hit. So when it comes to at least for war three, but all the wars as far as as as auto, thefts from autos, and also from the domestic violence rate, aspect, maybe there's we need to have some aggressive media campaign about it.

I mean, not necessarily targeted in my ward, but for everybody.

But your but your your ward as well, we're gonna have, Cortland. That's part of his job. Cortland Jackson's job is to get that that's out there. So we're working on that now. And we should have that firmed up real soon. I asked, the deputy chief to oversee that and report back to me and make sure it'll be there. That's part of the community engagement, part of the crime plan.

And we had talked about and you had talked about as well coming in and and doing some some I won't call them lectures necessarily, but some sort of outreach where where your team comes in and talks about these things. I do believe people will come and if they you know, they'll come and hear it, and then maybe we can get our video folks to videotape it, and we can do some PSAs and that sort of thing to get the word out.

And and to your point, madam chair, so every other week of the crime plan, we'll have the community outreach team out, and we'll be pat we'll we will be passing out literature as it relates to the crimes of opportunity, the thefts from autos, the burglaries, the the porch pirates Mhmm. Things of that nature. We'll we'll be passing out literature of you know, for citizens to arm themselves with to protect themselves from, you know, these type of incidents. The the the shoplifting, of course, you know what location is is really driving that.

Kohl's and Safeway.

Kohl's and Safeway. That's exactly right.

And what

That's exactly right.

And I asked, Stan to start looking at these these the video surveillance. And even if it's a misdemeanor theft whereby the court commission would only issue a criminal summon. One of the things and there's a whole lot to this, but the short version of it is that that a lot of people commit those thefts are addicts and they are fentanyl ingested people waiting to OD because that's how they feed their habit, that's just the sociology of drug addiction, you got to scale to get it. You see a lot of that in your ward, stealing, getting money to buy drugs. Another component is that I'm asking that they really look and work with Captain Hollis people to try to get these people identified who may have warrants, open warrants.

And that way that gives us the probable cause to take them into custody. We've got a warrant signed by a duly sworn judge to bring him in. And so we don't need to, you know, go through the building blocks of probable cause as the state team does when they make observations out on the street. We just know that they want it for other thefts, maybe burglaries, robberies. So we're gonna really pay attention to looking at the video surveillance cam.

So as an example, we get a theft then somebody needs to go and look at the video cameras so we can capture it, identify who they are, and then run their their their their background through, state police to find out if going for their threat. You know, NCIC local. That's just part of of the crime plan without giving away too much. How we're gonna try to mitigate some of your theft along with the PSA, the public safety analysis, telling people to please lock your car, don't leave your car running, all the I'm trying not to be offensive, but all the common sense things would hope the citizens would do to prevent them from being victims of theft on the outside. And then at some point, we need to check-in with the businesses that experience the most best, like you say, Kohl's and and Safeway.

Yeah. Miss Kiera's gotten a she at Safeway got a promotion, so mister Rondell is the new gentleman over there who's the store manager. I've met with him a couple of times, so someone may wanna stop by and talk to him.

So so last year, the meeting that we were supposed to have

had Right.

It never materialized.

Right.

We were waiting, to speak with them to see how we can better assist them with cutting into the numbers of thefts that they were having Okay. At the, Safeway. And we'll go back and we'll revisit that as well as the Kohl's. It it's it's that's the that's the biggest bucket of the thefts that are occurring in your ward is that Safeway and the Kohl's. Okay.

I think mister Rondell will be very receptive to having a meeting. I like I said, I talked to him a couple of times. He's been there all of two weeks, I think. So, no, we need to go back and revisit that. Should someone from your team reach out to him? Or

Yeah. Yes, ma'am. We we can do that. We we can definitely do that. We can get that done. Just, you know, go up and and speak to him, and then we can set up a meeting, and and really get down to the the nuts and bolts of what's really occurring inside of the Safeway. I I mean, we we see it every day.

Right. He's not new to Safeway. He was at another location, but someone may see a new person there and try to take advantage of the situation. So that's, like I said, he's been there all of, I think, two, two and a half weeks.

Yes, ma'am.

Might might be an hour too. The the one thing the the thing that I can think of as far as repetitiveness when it comes to, media attention years and years way before any of you all were born, They had a big media campaign about littering, and they kept saying it over don't litter. And finally, people finally bought into it. But they had to say it for years, and I think it was Lady Bird Johnson was the one who kinda started it. But if we just over and over and over and over and over again, I think it'll make a huge difference.

So Yeah. I remember those campaigns. That's the Indian who's crying on the highway. They throw their brats.

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Right.

Dennis Washington.

Mhmm.

But, yeah, and then not to beat a dead horse, but the MV thefts, the motor vehicle thefts, same thing. It's all about public awareness and getting literature out just to appeal to citizens to take that extra minute before they go into the store for the shopping center, make sure that their vehicles are secured, not leaving valuables in plain view of any potential thief and to, you know, do all of those things. And then the last component of the crime plan, basic component, of course, I should say this real quick, the preservation of life always remains number one. That's a policeman's creed then protecting life I mean, property is secondary along with other policies, the life things. But I'll let Captain Thacker talk about the omnipresent part of it.

I think a big part of this is that also have to be visible in the affected areas, the areas that produce the the statistical or the the stats that would indicate that crime can escalate easily in any of those communities. We have to have cops on the dots as we used to say in the old comms process.

Madam chairman, good evening. Yeah. Good evening. The the data is pretty clear. If you looked at the information from 2024 for Ward 3, I mean, 8% was property crime, 21% person or violent crime.

And then I think Lamar did a really good job of breaking down, like, domestic violence or based incidents for the violence. The property crime, though, the data would would also put me right on top of a portion of Ward 3 West Street corridor, I think we talked about it. Mhmm. I would consider Kohl's off off the West Street corridor even though it's a little further in that one direction. But the the area around Hudson Street, we have a lot of mental health hanging around.

There's everything that's affiliated with that. You it's it's mostly property crime, but things do escalate periodically to some aggravated assaults that are related to that. As far as what the deployments are right now for calendar year 2025 in the month of April and May. About two weeks ago, I pulled that data up and the patrol officers are deploying specifically to an area around that, like, West And Hudson with a bigger radius. So much so that I I had a conversation with the Anne County Southern District captain, captain McElayer, and I told him that we were actually putting more more deployments right there as it's on the border.

I would I would suspect that if I looked at the Anne County police data, it would show me an indication that they have, like, the same type of thing going on on their side of the border. But I wanted him to be aware of that and to work in collaboration with Anne Arundel in that space. So whereas we might be have significant deployments on our side of the border that they can have significant deployments on their side of the border and share the intel back and forth. We were talking about the recidivists, whether it's burglary recidivists, or violent crime robbery recidivists, you know, larceny from auto recidivists. I mean, the what they do, this is what they do.

They're a burglary guy. They're gonna do burglaries. If they're breaking into cars, they're gonna break into cars. Trend line right now for car car break ins, for the entire city, but specifically for Ward 3, we're trending really good. That would be an indicator that we located somebody who was a car break in specialist, and they're currently sitting. So I'll I'll dig in a little bit further and find out. We wanna know when that individual gets released. We don't wanna see a spike in that particular crime, set. But right now, things are looking pretty good. Using some data for the crime plan, we published one of our lieutenants put together all of the accidents, fatal accidents, problem property damage, personal injury accidents.

And what do you know? It it basically puts us from, like, Legion Avenue all the way to the city county line on West Street. So we're gonna be there. We're also gonna be a little bit lower, and I would say Chicopean and Forest Drive is right on the the border between Ward 3. Like so we're gonna be there. Those are the those two areas lead the entire city in automobile accidents and injury. So if if if the mission really is the preservation of human life, it's not just stopping the the murders and the shooting incidents, but it's also traffic fatalities and the possibility of people getting severely hurt, in automobile related accidents, but also, like, the overdose situations.

Mhmm.

So, we're doing really good.

Yeah. My little boy recently, a Germantown elementary student, same thing. We're having a meeting on-site with MDOT, I think it's the fifteenth of this month, to talk about what they can do. But, also, a couple of weeks ago, congresswoman Elvreth Elvreth wrote a letter. So we're gonna have a study, a PCEP study, between Legion Avenue where it breaks from two to four lanes all the way up to Route 2. So we we're doing some mitigation. That took a while. We had the Gibraltar light installed a few years ago. That took years and years to get that. So so we're doing, like you said, doing some things on that side.

The one thing I wanna mention about the Hudson Street and and the the lighthouse Yeah. When miss McKenney miss Kenny left, she had been there many years, and she went on to another, initiative. When she left about eight years ago, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many executive directors have been there. That's part of the problem. There's been no consistency there, and I'm not blaming anyone, but she was the consistent force at that location, not anymore.

And chief Simmons knows we've had some issues for for for homeless, and we've had some tents back there and and all of that. So that's been another issue that that he's been dealing with as well with the city. So just to kinda talk to everybody and and get their sense of what's going on there. So it's been a consist inconsistency of leadership there, and they've been moving more people there in there and out of there than I have seen. And so, like I said, I can't count how many they've had. Acting, temporary, and all of that. So it hasn't been consistency at the lighthouse shelter in a since miss Kenny left.

Yeah. The the goal all summer and probably for the remainder of the year, the two areas on West Street that will be focused on on top of, our deployments in some of the housing units, it's gonna be about the one to the 300 block of West Street, which is little bit lower further down, but it's it's up there around that Hudson and West Street. So pinched in between is our traffic concern. I do believe that a focused traffic initiative in that space will pay dividends on mitigating a lot of these other property based crimes. We're going to be physically in the area and just that high optic deployment alone should help punch down some of these numbers.

We'll take a look at it as it develops every 30 days. We need to make some adjustments, but that's the goal for the for the remainder of the summer crime plan, but probably also for the rest of the year.

Yeah. Sounds like a good

good idea. My office is the old fashioned business checks too. You know, and that this entails going up into West Street, the areas that Captain Thacker advised. Just have the officers go in there for five minutes and just be present. Wave to the business owner, the manager, ask them how things going. If you see something, say something. All those basic things. I don't wanna sound like a mantra, but those things are effective along with other things. And here's the matrix in all of this. I'm hoping that if we have a successful crime plan, it'll matrix us getting the type of information we need to maybe solve some of these other more serious crimes like our contact shootings.

Well, all shootings, contact or not, and homicides. And I just wanna go on the record to say we're still working vigorously on Captain Howard's detectives are still working vigorously on Hoe Claw. Yes, As well as some of the other unsolved homicides. So, hopefully, if we pull this off correctly with the right people out there, the citizens feel good about what we're doing, then just maybe, hopefully, prayerfully, somebody will come forward with a tip that may help us to solve it. And then the last thing is I do plan on being out there.

So, if anybody in in any of the eight wards wants me to stop by and talk about as it's developing, I'll make sure you know, we have to schedule it, but to make sure that I'm amenable to to be there. They wanna hear from me personally. Before

COVID, just one point, I had asked that State Department of Assessment and Taxation, saw that I had over 700 businesses. I think after COVID, a lot of people may not be home based, but it's over 900, and they're tucked every conceivable place in Ward 3. I've got way more than anybody else, and so I know that brings on a lot of other issues, but like you said, it's it's mainly Holes and Safeway, is where it's really happening. And so that that corridor exactly between Goodwill and Route 2 is is a hotbed through there. And a lot of car dealerships and auto repair shops and and those kinds of things.

But just having someone from your from your department just moving in there and basically, like you said, hi. How are doing? How are things going? Just to let them know that somebody is there and is watching, at some point in time, I think, is is really good. It gives them a level of comfort, where they are, that the police are coming through. I have seen, officers getting out their cars recently and even us, you know, sitting and watching and all that. So it it really it makes a it makes a huge difference.

And I'll say this, ward unlike Wards 6, we can't call on the federal partners because it doesn't rise at federal level. You what You have a lot of petty crime. We don't have racketeering in your ward. I'm not saying that diminishes the problem, I'm just saying that the Just so the listeners, if you wonder why we don't have the federal partners that we always talk about, you don't have that type of crime. Know, you don't have the drugs and the handguns and the extortion and the intimidation and all those other things that go along with the way that we could take these cases federal.

But we do recognize that you have still any time the quality of life is affected then that's why we're here to try to make it better. Right. So I just wanted to make that a part of

Thank you.

The discourse. Yes, ma'am.

Speaking of Ward 6, Alderman Gay has a question or two. Alderman Gay, are you on?

I am here.

Okay. Thank you.

And I have to jump soon, but, I I just a couple of quick, really quick questions if possible. I I did have a chance to get the report, and I appreciate you sending it out ahead of time. I thought things would be just a tiny bit more detailed, and I will get into those with you in in in email, in particular, because this is about war three. And so I'll try to stick to that. I did hear you though mention plainclothes officers would be out and looking, for individuals with weapons.

In in thirty seconds or less, if you could explain to me, how that will be done within the bounds of the constitution and the framework of the, Annapolis City code, I I would greatly appreciate that.

Yes, sir. And when I said they're gonna be out there in plain clothes, they're gonna be out there on a mission. This is targeted enforcement, constitutionally based. I think that what you are thinking is the old days when we just sent cops out there and this, you know, unsupervised virtually and left them to their own devices. It's not that kind of deployment.

We're gonna be serving warrants, we're gonna identify people who want it and we're gonna start serving some of these outstanding warrants and we'll do other things. This is intelligence based policing. And then if we do get out there and we see somebody who raises our suspicion that either crime is about to be committed or was just committed, then we're gonna make sure that we're able to articulate all the building blocks of probable cause. You know, reasonable articulable suspicion can sometimes lead to probable cause in a minute, sometimes it doesn't lead to anywhere other than reasonable articulable suspicion. We can't arrest anybody for that. We can stop them, but we can't arrest them. So I assure you that we are prepared to justify everything constitutionally that we're doing.

Well, I I I just asked that because I obviously remember, you know, two pivotal moments of your tenure. The first being when, you were brought here. Well, three, actually. The first being when you were brought here, and there were concerns as it relates to, you know, unreasonable search and seizure. Secondly, obviously, the George Floyd, you know, acts that went on and and the things that that grew from policing out of that.

And then thirdly, obviously, the stop and frisk incident that the department had at where it was and it there was suggestion that stop and frisk, would be used within the Indianapolis police department. So, you know, keeping in mind what you just said in those three things is the reason why I asked the question. And, I'm not an officer, never have would would pretend to be one, I, you know, have a great deal of respect. I said when I did my ride along, that was enough for me. How do you, though, practice that I'm just imagining.

Do you you're in a you're in plainclothes, either walking and in a vehicle. Now do you see the handgun alleged let's just use the hand a handgun here or or even a knife. Do you see said weapon and, you know, obviously approach and identify, or do you see a person who has maybe had a history, of violence in some way, shape, form, and you approach them? How does that work?

Well, let me say this. If you see a person I don't care what their history is, as long as they're not wanted for a crime and as long as we don't suspect that they're doing anything else, then we're not just pulling people up because they have a history of crime. I would agree with you there. That's bordering on unconstitutional. A person's past shouldn't have any bearing as to whether they're armed or not.

Now, that's not to say that if you see somebody who was just paroled and he was a very violent offender, we are entitled to look at them and make sure that we're visible. But I'm talking about furtive movements, movements that would indicate, and we're trained to do that, that you're trying to avoid the police, unnatural bulges, time of day relative to an incident that may have just occurred, discharge that may have just occurred, good physical descriptions. And even then, we're not just pulling people over and going in their pockets. We're going to make a good constitutional based approach. First of all, people don't have to, well, I don't want to give away that part of the plan, but people do have rights and I can assure you that, first of all, your question is a fair one, it's very fair given the recent history of policing in America.

But I don't want the citizens to panic because the only way we're gonna get the guns off the street, we gotta be out there and we gotta use the power of observation and we have to use the skills. We're very good and well trained police departments. I don't think that citizens have to worry about our officers doing some of the hard things, hear the hard stories that you hear about in a lot of departments that really hasn't occurred. These are not this is not a goon squad whereby they just ride and because you're African American, black or Latino, we're gonna immediately jump out on you and and throw you up against the wall or have you sitting on the curb. No.

We're gonna look at the crime stats and then we're gonna deploy our men and women where the likelihood, this is all about probabilities, the likelihood anywhere in the city of Annapolis where we're experiencing problems and then take it from there. It's no cookie cut explanation but that's pretty much the premise. But at the end of the day, we're gonna do our very best to be in compliance with the fourth amendment to the US constitution.

And thank you for that great explanation. And and and I, in no way, shape, or form, believe that, any member of the Annapolis Police Department, under your leadership is, engaging in any unlawful behavior. I just wanted to pose a question.

No. That was a fair question, Alderman. I'm not that that was a fair question. And I think it's the minute I said seat, there are a lot of people who have those concerns. So, no, sir. I understand your question. It was a very fair one. I was just taking the time to, you know, and I know that you know a lot of this from your training, that we're not just going out there, it's not a goon squad, it's not a squad that just goes out there rogue with no direction and no supervision. First of all, Captain Harbaugh can speak to that. We're not sending them out there at all without some sense of direction.

They'll have a mission whether it's targeting individuals that we know are wanted or some other things. Looking for trends, looking for people who are stealing cars or trying to break into homes, all those things we just described when we were talking about the index numbers. So, know, I would encourage, I think one of the suggestions I would make is while we're having this crime plan during the summer, that maybe some of the all the people will be willing to do a ride along to see their plan in real time. And then I think that will go a long way with your constituents to say, hey, I rode with the officer and I saw what they're doing. And so, think they would have a whole different perspective. So, I'm just putting it out there. If you wanna see what we're doing, you're welcome to to do it.

I would, if I if I thank you, madam chair. I think I just have two really, really quicks. I I would I would not be opposed to that at all. It's been a while since the first one. And so if I could do that before the next public safety meeting, that would be nice.

My second two quick points, the older woman and yourself mentioned that the hotspots in her ward being Shoppers and the Kohl's. I'm wondering, to her point, what is in place with the staff there? If they understand it, obviously, this is a hot place for theft. Did you say 78% of the theft in that ward is coming from this particular area? I may have misheard that, but I'm just curious what is being done there.

And then my last question, I completely forget the gentleman on the end's name there, and I'm so sorry. But I meant to follow-up with you for the, domestic violence literature, and just wanted to apologize for, for not doing that, and I will do that, immediately.

Yes. Captain Thacker.

Thank you, captain Thacker. I I apologize.

Yeah. I have I have that safety plan. I can provide that to you. I've changed it take the liberty of changing from a former employer to a current employer, but I can get that to you for the domestic violence plan. Now what I said was for calendar year 2024 for Ward 3, total crime, 78% was property crime.

It's not that it was just at Kohl's or at the Safeway. That's for the entire ward. However, I would say that there's a if you were to look at it at a map, a cluster map, you would see a very high inordinate amount around the Kohl's or I would say the West Street corridor up in that space and that g that particular geography. You would also see a cluster down where the Safeway is too. So, it's not those two areas don't total 78%.

The entire ward itself was 78% property crime. But, yeah, there as far as the on scene personnel, the Kohl's loss prevention officers are on-site. And if you were to listen to the radio almost daily, it seems like they're they're very active. So I haven't met them yet. The intent is to get out.

And just as we were talking about meeting the the manager of the Safeway, I can I can shoulder that and take that if Lamar wants to travel down with me? But I think that we have some really good people working, like, at the Kohl's and working probably at the Safeway from the historical trends of what you've communicated. So what, you know, they become part of the team, and so we're all kind of working in it together. What I am what I also see, and I think Lamar would would the messaging to a lot of the establishments for the clerks, especially at some of the twenty four hour stores, whether it's the gas stations or any of the the convenience stores, is that the clerks aren't engaging, which takes a simple larceny to a larceny gone bad, shoplifting gone bad, turns it into a robbery. So we we're not struggling with that at an inordinate number.

So that's a good thing. So the messaging, as you were talking about about being consistent with it and driving it home, I think the same thing is applicable with the Kohl's. I don't think that loss prevention officer is necessarily tackling the individual, but I think that they are taking people into custody with without issue. And I think that that's a good thing. I think it's a good a good business plan they have going on right But I can get you that domestic violence plan, sir.

Thank you, Alderman Gay. Any other information to be provided this evening?

No. I just wanna say that we the crime plan is just a template. I heard the alderman say he thought it'd be more detailed. And they are more details. It's just that we wanna be very careful about how we disseminate the information. We gave you an overview. If you want to talk to me privately, any of the older people, I'll give you more details. But, we have a lot of things planned. Some things I wanna manage the community's expectation. I don't wanna promote any promises that I can't keep.

So, we have some things in the pipeline and I'll announce them as we go along if I can pull it off. But, I'm managing expectations too. I don't wanna tell you that, you know, we're gonna take the kids to the moon literally. And let them see out of space and they get all excited and then it doesn't happen, you know. So, I wanna be very credible and give an honest presentation as to what to realistically expect. But, there'll be other things and we'll make sure that we keep the council apprised as it materializes.

But the other thing is too we need to talk about, and I don't know where it is in the pipeline as far as who reviews it and all, the workload study from the University of Maryland. Yes, ma'am. I know miss Buckland is overwhelmed, I guess. But that's something we need to talk about at some point within the next month or so.

Yes. And I'm just trying

to

establish a more workable relationship with the state's attorney. And, I'm not finished the work study load, workload study myself. I'm anxious though, because there was a lot of investment, to you madam chair. There was a lot of invested, a lot of investment in that and I asked for it. And so, I really want to share my thoughts and my command staff's thoughts on that study.

So, I promise you that I'm multitasking, but we'll continue to read. And I'll let the public safety committee know. I'll let you know when I've read it and then we can have an intelligent discussion about it. Of course, my agenda is to expand the size of the Annapolis Police Department to provide more outreach and to to to to continue to make it more professional. And before I leave and who knows when that'll be, but I wanted to be headed towards a world class police department because we have so many talented men and women who serve every day.

Many of them go unrecognized for the good work that they do. And especially the younger ones, I wanna really leave a legacy that they will wanna stay here and see it through, the vision through. So that's what's so important about the workload analysis. And what I've read so far is, I think, favorable to what I've been talking about for almost six years since I've been here.

I just don't want it to get stale.

Yes, ma'am.

That's the thing. I wanna kinda keep

it on too much invested in it, and I'll personally not let it get stale. That's my promise to you. You know, it was a lot that went into that, not only the fiscal part of it, but just convincing the council that it's the right thing to do. So to your point, we can't let it go stale, too much invested in But unfortunately, you know, the nature of what we do is reactive a lot of times. And when they get to shooting and when these lawless people wanna come in and try to take over the city, these two brothers right here along with my deputy chief and some other ones, we're make sure that we, you know, handle our business or handle the city's business and mitigate that.

And unfortunately, at times, that takes me away from reading. I have to put that down to make sure that we're moving in the right direction. But at some point during the summer, I'll make sure that we have a date set so we can have a discussion with the council. Yeah.

Okay. Alderman Gay has another question, but I just wanna say we we do recognize that we have a lot of things going on around us, whether it's Anne Arundel County or Prince George's County and that sort of thing. So we we're not immune to what what that is all about, but I think so far, we're doing a really good job of kinda taking care of our own, which is tough. And I know that it's really tough to try to take care of our jurisdiction, but recognizing around us is just watch the news. There's just a lot going on.

It's a lot going on, and and and America's dangerous right now for so many reasons. And, we gotta make sure that we stay ahead of the curve. You know? Right. Now that CALEA has has been reconciled and we got that sister in place, we can stop focusing on things like the work study. But you understand,

Right. Madam definitely.

Yeah. Know you understand. So now that that's that was huge and I'm still wiping the bullets, the sweat off of my forehead that we got that taken care of. And we can start with the now I'm I'm a prepare myself to speak to work study Right. In the near future.

I think Alderman Gay has another Alderman Gay, you have another question?

Not a question. Just, neglected to thank the, department for their recent response in the shooting in Ward 6. I thought it was fantastic putting the information out and allowing the public to, you know, what was going on in real time. I know there was a delay there of twelve hours, but it's because you were collecting the information. And so thank you all for that very, very much.

Yes, sir.

Yes, Thank you, Olmegay, for bringing that to our attention. I think it's certainly worth noting we sometimes had some real time issues, but now we seem to be on track, and that's that's a great thing. So without compromising any type of investigation. So thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Alderman Gay. We're gonna move on. And that was ID 36 3425. Thank you, gentlemen.

We're Okay. To my my two colleagues of the public safety team are are director Kevin Simmons and chief Ramelli. I'm I'm apologizing for them to have to leave what they want us up at the American League. Right. And so, Gary go up on Farr's Drive. So I don't wanna think I'm just cutting, you know, not supporting them.

I understand. Mhmm. We all understand.

Thank you, ma'am.

Okay. So much. Mhmm. ID 3525 and that was fire department update. Chief O'Malley and deputy chief Lopez.

Captain Howard, just remind him about that information, please, that I need. Yes. Thank you.

Mhmm. Have a good evening.

You too. Gentlemen, good evening.

Good evening. Doug Ramelly, fire chief. And as you stated, deputy chief Lopez is here to my left. For the Indianapolis fire department, last month in April, we responded to 1,028 calls for service. Of those, 75% of that were EMS calls, 23% were fire calls, and, the remainder of those are rescue, hazmat, and service type of calls.

We continue to have four people in Anne Arundel County Fire Academy. They are doing well. We still have two individuals out at paramedic training, one at the Anne Arundel Community College and one at, being trained with Howard County Fire Department. And then we have one of our firefighters that is in the Anne Arundel County Police Academy to become one of our fire and explosive investigators. I bring that up just so that you understand that those individuals will be out of the field for anywhere between seven months to eighteen months.

We we don't see those people in the field, so that affects us with our operations every day, but it's necessary training that that's out there. Also, last month, we did have a working structure fire in the historic district. It was on Prince George Street and happened on a weekend. It was a busy weekend near Maryland Avenue. Luckily, people saw the smoke coming from that structure, which allowed for early notification.

Our crews from Annapolis, Anne Arundel County, and the Naval Academy were there quickly, were very aggressive, and were able to extinguish that fire before it progressed. It was in a very old home, and it could have been severe, so we're glad that we were able to get there quickly. For Ward 3, these are our responses. Citywide so far this year, you can see we have had 2,599 calls in the city. 286 of those are actually in Ward 3, which makes up about 6% of the total call oh, I'm sorry.

Ward 3 makes up about 6.17% of those calls. We bring this slide every for every ward just to remind everybody about the fire loss over the years. We did have that good year last year, and we hope to continue with that trend. We knock on wood every time we see that. For your

ward that due to to your community outreach and aggressiveness?

Yeah. We believe

word out.

All those factors. It's it's the men and women of the Indianapolis Fire Department that that make that happen and all the initiatives they have and wearing many hats to get out there between public education and actually emergency responses. So we believe that all plays impact on it and to include our fire marshal's office, which is very aggressive with code compliance, operations. So in your ward, we don't have a lot of challenges. It's a primary residential and business ward.

Your streets are not narrow like the downtown streets and Eastport Streets, so our apparatus can get there quickly. Your ward is basically the the primary fire station for that ward is the Forest Drive Fire Station right there, Forest Drive and Bywater Road. So that engine and medic unit out of that station respond to this these areas every day, and then it's backed up by the other stations in the city and then actually in Arundel County. So there's a station on Jennifer Road that also responds to that because they are close to to your response area there. And as you know, you when the police department talked about Hudson Street, part of Hudson Street's Indianapolis, parts in the county, So that's right on that county line and that, West Annapolis Fire Station responds to a lot of those.

Just a quick update. We've talked about this fire engine we ordered almost three years ago. I am proud to say that last week, we had a small group of members of our department that went out for the final inspection on this fire engine in Appleton, Wisconsin. The engine is moving along very rapidly. These are pictures of it.

There are some minor issues that need to be addressed just to meet our specification in the spec, and, we hope to see that unit this unit in Anne Arundel County, which is actually at Atlantic Emergency Solutions, which is Pierce's local dealer, and they're located in Anne Arundel County. So we plan on seeing that later this month. The plan would be for this unit to go in service at the Forest Drive Station by summer, by July. Chief Lopez can give you a quick update on our strategic plan.

Good evening, ma'am. So as I've talked about before, the last strategic plan for the fire department was in 2004. We're using the Center for Public Safety Excellence model in the development of the strategic plan. We have a community a committee established with diverse cross section of fire department personnel. We have started both an internal and we're working on an external stakeholder survey and focus group. The internal focus group began March and we hope to have it end soon. External survey and focus group, we expect to launch in June with the draft document to the fire chief for review in September.

Who are your main external stakeholders?

So we are working with the PIO's office and the assistant acting city manager to work on developing that. We don't have it said yet. Like I said, we're gonna be launching it next month in the process of developing both the questionnaire for the survey and who we're gonna target for the focus group.

Just to add that, you know, I have concerns about cancer in the fire service. I bring that up all the time and it how it's affecting the fire service across The United States. Cancer is becoming the number one cause of death for our first line firefighters. We were able to successfully get a grant through the state of Maryland partnered with the Annapolis Professional Firefighters Local nineteen twenty six, and we're able to do some testing for that cancer initiative. A large majority of the department participated in that grant.

They had some screening done recently so they're receiving the results of that screening And we have two other initiatives to go along with that cancer initiative that we have and some more screening opportunities. So we're gonna continue to move that forward. As you know, when I took the job as fire chief, that was one of our priorities, was the health and safety of our people, and we continue to move those avenues and those programs forward. That's about all we have unless you have any questions.

Okay. No. Thank you. No news is good news, I guess, the main thing. Thank you all so much for all that you do as always.

Thank you very

much. Thank you. You all be safe. Okay. Alright. And, lastly, thank you for your patience, chief

Alderman.

Simmons. Oh, I'm sorry. Alderman Gay,

do you

have a question?

I had two quick ones.

Okay. For the fire department into

NPR today, and they were mentioning the, school in Frederick closed. I'm wondering how that impacts us, the, fire academy.

Oh, right. And Yes. I did hear that on the news.

Yeah. Please.

I missed part of that question. It was about the National Fire Academy. Is that what

you said?

Yeah. So National Fire Academy is in Emmitsburg, Maryland. It is the national academy that brings people from across The United States in there for specific training programs. Chief Lopez was just there recently over the last weekend. They had the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial. It's done there every year where they recognize people that have lost their lives in line of duty. They do a ceremony every year. The academy itself is still closed though. Correct?

Yes. The National Fire Academy falls under FEMA, and due to what's going on in the federal government, the academy is closed, but the memorial, the foundation, National Firefighters Memorial Foundation continued with the memorial this weekend. The training that takes place at the academy is temporarily suspended.

So is the build is there a building in that Oh, I'm sorry. Go I'm sorry. Go ahead, Alderman Gate.

No. No. My I just was wondering if is that impacting us at all?

Not directly. No.

Is there a building there that's actually closed?

The It's an entire college campus

Okay.

That is not accessible academically at this point.

Lastly, within within that same report from India, they were also discussing record lows, I guess, in African American fire personnel. And I don't see I don't know if that's the case within our department. I certainly don't believe

it is the case just, you know, based off of

what I see. I'm wondering if, how we are addressing that if that is a concern. And that's my last question.

We believe our department represents the community we serve. We we believe we have a diverse group of individuals within the department. We're always looking for candidates for positions that are open. We recently just opened last week a job announcement for firefighter paramedic, but they are lateral positions. So they're people that are already trained as firefighter paramedics to come over, because the two positions that we have currently open are paramedic positions.

And, like I said earlier about sending people to school, it takes up to eighteen months to two years to get those people trained. So if we can pick them up off the street, But we, we continue to get out there. We recruit as necessary when we do have job openings, and we try to bring in the community that we serve. We try to get some more people in there. I don't know if that really answers your question, but we we continue to to go out there and recruit individuals from all aspects of our community.

Yeah. I I appreciate you responding to that. Just curious about those two things.

Thank you, Alderman Gay. Okay. Alright. Thank you again, gentlemen. Alright. Chief Simmons, good to see you. How's your staff doing? Okay. Okay. And is one of your staff members returned? Oh, your mic's not on.

My staff is doing well. Most of all, they're here.

Okay. Including the a person who had been out for Yes. Great. Wonderful. Okay.

He's back in the saddle like Wonderful. He never So we're we're moving forward.

Give him my best.

I will. Mhmm. So for the record, Kevin Simmons. I'm the director of the office of emergency management for the city of Annapolis and I'm here to give the ward three updates and all. So first off, we'll talk a little bit about the food Friday program.

Everybody knows what the food Friday program is. We distribute about 300 boxes of food every week to food and secure folks in the city of Annapolis. OEM does the administrative oversight and we're helped a lot by all the women O'Neil who organizes the program and all of our volunteer seniors that make this program go. We just entered into a food Friday partnership with pastor Cheryl Menendez and and first Baptist on West Street on West Washington Street to to make sure that we are more effective and efficient in our distribution of food stocks.

I I have a quick question. I know that last summer, there was an issue regarding using, the Pip Moyer Center during the summer because the interference with the camps. Has that been resolved for this coming summer? Because I think we had to use the Eastport fire station.

Well, I don't have the answer to that question. Mhmm. We have not talked about it yet, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna come up soon. And I am confident if if the Pipmoyer Rec Center has all of those programs, I can certainly go to chief Romali and the Eastport volunteers and they will let us use that that facility for two months. And it and it worked out. Not not what we wanna do permanently, Pipmoria works out better but, you know, for the alternative it worked out well.

Good. I know school closes on June 13.

Okay. So we got a month. Okay. So Ward Ward 3 food Friday stats. We do 41 families which is a 128 individuals, 21 seniors, and 41 children. And where we do our most work is Bowman Drive. We have 30 individuals, 13 families which is about 31% of of our business there. This is just a map to kinda let you know where the targeted areas are where we deliver food to our family.

Hold on one sec. Sure.

And the pie chart indicates every single location.

Right. Thank you. That is extremely helpful.

Okay. And you get a copy of this too. Right? Yes, sir. Okay.

Any questions?

No. Very good.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. Let's go ahead and move into our substance use disorder update, Ward 3. So Ward 3 last year had 18 overdoses.

This is the tide for the second lowest since we've been keeping record in 2015. Ward 3 was second in the total overdoses compared with other wards. Number one was Ward 4 with twenty two and then number two was Ward 3 with eighteen. And if you look at the the bar chart there, you can see how you progressed in war three from 2022 to 2024. So it took a took a pretty substantial dive.

And I attribute it to, you know, the chief talked about his crime plan, them being very aggressive with the enforcement part of it, but also the outreach and the prevention and the treatment part of it from all the other agencies.

I'm extremely sad and and it's unfortunate that we were not able to hire a person. I know it wasn't coming out of your department. It was in the budget for this year, and I don't know what the snafus were. But we were supposed to hire someone to do community outreach, but we never could get there. But, hopefully, maybe for the next budget season we can get someone to do that community.

And I'll talk a little bit about the budget too

Okay.

In in this report. So you had two fatal overdoses that reported in Ward 3 and your average in Ward 3 for fatal overdoses is two. And typically even when we have we see a drop in overdoses still our fatals hang around nine or ten percent. That's that's a nagging thing that that we wanna try to overcome. But I also wanna point out to you that Narcan uses usage was about eighty three percent in Ward 3.

That's great.

So the the Narcan training and distribution is working.

Mhmm. Got it.

Here's the locations of the overdoses in in Ward 3. Again, was eighteen, five on Forest Drive, four on West Street, three on Parole Street, three Hudson Street, one Solomon's Island Road, and one in Capton Circle, and one in Capitol Drive.

That West Street corridor again that even the police were talking about is problematic.

It is and I was glad to hear the plan and I'm encouraged that that can they'll make a difference down there

Mhmm.

Based on what they were discussing. So so when you're talking about age in Ward 3, ranges align with the historical trends citywide with twenty to thirty four year olds and thirty five to forty four year olds. However, in Ward 2 and Ward 3 tend to have a higher overdoses with fifty five to 64 folks years of age. And, three, the white population represented the largest group of overdoses in war three. It is the only ward where the white population overdoses more.

Does that have anything to do with Hudson Street?

I would. You don't know? I I don't I don't know.

Employees at certain businesses? I'm wondering since I have so many. I'm just kinda throwing that out.

It it could. I I If I if I would say to you that I knew the answer to that question, I don't. And that we'd have to pull back more layers to to figure that out. In 2024, sixty five percent of all overdoses in the city were African American. A little bit more statistics, Ward Ward 32024 and 2023 saw the majority of overdoses occur in the hours of 6PM and 12AM and I know that's of particular interest to you. Yes. Word three, the day of the week that overdoses occur fluctuate. So you can see that in the in the bar chart, most of the overdoses are on Friday.

Friday night.

Friday from six to twelve noon twelve midnight. Historically, on average, half of the victims of of an overdose in Ward 3 reside in Ward 3.

Now question about the the the word usage of reside, does that include Hudson Street residents? Is that considered their residence or not?

It it You're talking about the people at the Lighthouse Shelter? Yes, That that is their resident.

Right.

That is their resident. And this is in even though part of Hustler Street is in the in the county, this is for Annapolis prop. Mhmm. So you can see you can see eight folks who who actually live in in Ward 3, four were homeless, four were non residents, one from Ward 2, and one on the we didn't have enough information. Let's talk a little bit about 2024 and

fatale. Pindel Charles.

Yes, Alderman Gay. Go right ahead.

Just really, really quickly, I just wanna say and, you know so all those are then mostly very preventable deaths and overdoses. And, particularly, if you know Friday through Saturday, 6PM to midnight, you know, that's when the they're the highest over accounts in in the ward. A t that that's why I think that opioid overdose money has to be assigned to direct on boots on the ground programming like we had it in 2019 and 2020 at the peak of the opioid crisis, and we fare pretty well. And so, like, that's just strategic programming to me. 6PM to 12:00PM, Friday through Saturday, we need to have a team in the hotspot areas.

If you're saying it's Hudson Street, I'm I'm believing it's more than Hudson Street. But I I just I mean, that just seems completely preventable to me.

And, Alderman Gay, we we we've been having an impact on that. As you can see, our overdoses as a whole in the city has gone down. And I'll I'll produce the next slide will tell the tale on how aggressive the outreach program has been to to kind of knock down some of these overdoses in the city of Annapolis.

And I think it also goes back to the inconsistency of leadership at at the Lighthouse. That's another thing. We've had that conversation before.

The Lighthouse was one of those facilities that we identified for the dispenser.

Oh, okay.

The harm reduction vending machines. Mhmm. It's just a matter of we we need to get funding to get it done. Okay. So Ward 3 reported two overdoses both were pending the medical examiner's disposition.

African Americans represented the largest group of fatal overdose in 2024 with nine African Americans and two white. And the fatal overdoses by age groups, historically the city saw more individuals overdosing in the 45 range especially African American males which is different from the from the county's demographics. So the red dots indicate twenty twenty three overdoses and the green dots indicate the focus efforts from the overdose prevention team there. So you can see where we have overdoses, we flood the area with outreach and resources. And that circled area is is more of a West Street part of West Street where we're seeing a lot of activity there and the police are seeing as as that as well and they spoke about it.

Are you and the police department having discussions concerning this?

Yes. We do. Okay. They're part of our opioid prevention team. Okay.

So we have a end of the year report out. I just wanna encourage anybody that's watching to go download that report at annapolis.gov/odfree. Audit Woman, you received the report as well as Alderman Gay. I'm pretty sure you received the report and I just wanna make sure that the public knows about this report, lot of interesting stats, a lot of interesting tidbits on on how we run our substance use disorder program in the city of Annapolis.

I don't think I've gotten it.

Okay. I'll make sure you have a copy but we sent it to all of the older persons. Right. Okay. And last but not least, I always get the question is where is the funding going as far as the four programs?

So our funding does not come from the general fund, it comes from opioid restitution funds which is monies from the opioid lawsuit directly from the distributors to the city. And then we get a block grant from the health department. So so that comes to about a $152,000 and so here's where the here's where the funding is doled out to. NAM, with supplies, contract services, and salary and benefits for their one employee about a little over $50,000. Your Life Matters, the fire department's program and that goes mostly for the overtime and benefits for the firefighters that participate in that program and supplies, that's about $37,000.

And and the police department, the APD, substance use disorder, and that's mostly overtime and benefits for the officers and the civilian employees that participate and make that program work and 3,000 for supplies, so that's about 29,000. And last but not least, OD free which is the umbrella for the all of the programs that's run by the officer of emergency management or managed by. We have the 35,000 and that's from the health department block grant and we use that for contract services, about two salaries, and then education and training. And we pay we we fund all of the education and training for the mayor, for the police, and for the fire programs. As a matter of fact, I think we're sending a bunch of them to the RX Summit.

And I don't know where it is this year but it used to be in Atlanta. Mhmm. So And we we pay for all of that.

Who's your main point of contacts in the fire department and the police department on this effort?

That would be chief McCray. Chief McCray. And and lieutenant White.

Okay.

Is he lieutenant or captain? Lieutenant White. Those two.

How about in the police department?

Patty Norris.

Okay.

Patty Norris Patty Ottola for for the NAM program and MK Severowski kinda manages the whole thing.

Mhmm. Is some event next is the next week at the health department here?

It might be.

Mhmm. Similar to it sounds like it's similar to the one we attended a few months ago at the health department.

Relating to substance use disorder?

Yes. I do believe so.

Okay. Probably is. I don't I'm not familiar. No. Okay.

So that that's it. That's my report for for Ward 3.

Great. Alderman Gay, do you have any questions of, chief Simmons?

No, ma'am. Thank you.

Okay. Alright. Anything else for the good of the order, miss Berger? Anything from you? Nothing? Alright. I think we can have a motion to adjourn. Alderman Gay.

I'll make a motion to adjourn.

So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. I hear no nos. Meeting adjourned at 08:21PM. Thank you all so much.