Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

's on silent. I do. Mine's in the car. On silent worry about Let's go ahead and bring the February 24th plan commission to order. Micah, can we have a roll call and declaration of quorum, please? Mr. Gre here. Mrs. Cole. Mr. Mr. Bean here. M Reed here. Mr. Turner here. Mrs. Williams present. Mr. House present, Mr. Rice and Mr. Spencer here. Warm is present.

Let's uh stand, have a quick uh invocation, pledge of allegiance. Dear heavenly father, please give this commission the wisdom to make decisions that are good for our great community, Anderson, great state, Indiana, greatest country in the world, United States of America. As again, let's remember there are young men and women all over the world fighting for our freedoms, even older men and women. Let's keep them in our hearts. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right. I think we we did not do election of officers at the last meeting because we had a a minimal quorum. Um we're missing one tonight. That's probably adequate for us to go ahead and do election of officers. I would think two. We're missing two. Miss Culp's on the way. Oh, okay. Do I don't think we need to wait on her, though. We'll just make her something. She is. Oh, there she is. You almost got Let's give her a minute. We can see her coming in. Let's all clap.

Oh, congratulations. You're you're chair. Yeah, you're now chair, vice chair. Excellent. 10 minutes. Good. Okay. Let the record show that Mrs. Culp is present, please. Okay. Now, on to the election of officers. We'll need to uh hear nominations for president. Please make a nomination to uh for Mr. Greg Spencer to be president. Second. Second. Everybody. Everybody. Let's uh let's see if there are any other nominations for president.

No more nominations for president. You don't want to be it again. I enjoy it. Okay, then there you go. I'm a glutton. Uh, okay. Seeing no more nominations, all in favor of Mr. Spencer, me retaining the office of president, uh, signify by saying I, please. I, I. Any opposed? Okay, I will I will retain that. Uh, thank you. Uh, nominations for vice president, please. Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to nominate and uh have Jennifer Culp to remain vice president. Chairman,

I think that that's a good nomination. Uh any other nominations for vice president? You do accept the nomination, correct? Yes. Yes. No more nominations for vice president. All in favor of Mrs. Culp retaining the vice president position signify by saying I. I. I. Any opposed? No. Um, let's go ahead and entertain a motion to retain Mr. Mitchell as the secretary. Make a motion to have Micah Mitchell be our secretary. Second. Okay. All in favor of Micah Mitchell being our secretary, signify by saying I, please.

I. Any opposed? Congratulations, Micah. Thank you. Good job. Okay. Oh, yes. I Yep. And me, too. Yes. And Mrs. Williams, too. But it's not on here. It's not on there. That's okay. Have to put in the appointments for the other I had two blank sheets. I couldn't figure out why. And that's why those on Miss Williams serves as this body's appointee to the board of zoning appeals. I can attest that Miss Williams does a wonderful job on that body as I'm a member as well. I would suggest we retain her. Um, so if you don't mind, you're willing to still do that, aren't you?

I do. Uh, I I I would make a motion that we retain Miss Williams as our appointee to the board of zoning appeals. Second. All in favor of Miss Williams being our appointee to the board of zoning appeals, signify by saying I, please. I I. Any opposed? None. And Tim, I can't get away from Mr. Williams. You would like to be still on the historical commission. Correct. Sure. Even though we haven't met, make a motion for Mark Turner to remain on the historical society board. Second.

Okay. All in favor of Mr. Turner remaining as our appointee to the historical is it the historical commission or is it historical society society historical historical and cultural preservation commission commission. Yeah, I thought it was a commission. That does sound important. Yes. Yes. Okay. Signal signify by saying I I I congratulations. Thanks. Maybe you'll have a meeting this year. Yeah. I'll let you know. Okay. though the last one you had ended up being pretty high drama. Yeah.

Okay. Moving on. We have two sets of amendments. Uh December 9th and January 27th. Uh if all the members have had a chance to look at those. We would entertain a motion to approve those. I make a motion that we approve December 9th and January 27th meetings as written. Second. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve December 9th and January 27th December 9th, 2025. January 27th, 2026 minutes. Uh, all in favor of approving those minutes signify by saying I please. I

I. Any opposed? Um I was not here for last meeting so I was saying we discussed that at the last meeting and we determined that just based on your membership and uh conversation with other members you still can go ahead and and approve those about that. Thank you. And we have differing legal opinions on that but we will take our star attorney's advice on that. And he gave me the Okay. Yes. Okay. Can I borrow your pen? Thank you. Moving on, we will let Mr. Styers have the floor.

Thank you. Uh we have four petitions tonight. Um one that's been tabled for two months and uh we would like to have it remain tabled. It's the petition 2225, Kelly Drews. I don't believe there's been a lot of progress, mainly because of the weather, to get his uh building up to code in order to proceed on to attempt to reszone it from I1 to I2. Take any action on that. Yeah,

I would make a note that I had a conversation with Mr. Styers before the meeting. Uh that there was some action with that property because part of the property is in the city of Anderson, part of it is in the county and the county has also had some meetings regarding that. I did ask Mr. dyers to look into getting some of that documentation that has already gone forward to the county so that we can review that. And it trickled on down to Micah and he promises to take care of I I have some and so I'll double check and make sure that there's anything else that I don't have. It just seems like if if there is some activity on that through the county, we should be aware of what's happening there as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Go ahead, Mr. Stars. Very good. Our next petition, petition 126. This is submitted by Crew Car Wash. It's for a secondary plat uh for approval by the plan commission. Um it is a one lot plat. It is located on the side of the former Mark Motor in if you all remember Mark Motor in. In fact, I got a picture of it right there. No, right there. I believe that's the pool to the left and the motel to the right. This would be looking from Mounds Road. This is on the norththeast corner of Mounds and Scatterfield Road. Um, this site still has a wing- on restaurant and bar on the northern edge of of the uh property. Uh it's that little tongue sticking out there to the north side of it. Uh backing up against the old uh Radio Shack business. I can't I don't know what's there now, but it's that little jutting out pieces where the uh Chinese restaurant is. Site does contain 2.12 acres. It has a split zoning. The western third is zone B1. The eastern 2/3 is zone B2. There's the primary plat that you acted on this uh I believe it was last month. All utilities are available to the site. Uh electricity, water, gas, sanitary, and storm sewer. Uh this proposed secondary plat just like the primary will be known as the crew car wash subdivision. Uh yeah, the primary plat was approved back in early December. Uh, as far as details concerning the

crew car wash site, uh, it does show that the adjoining roadways, Mounds Road and State Road 9 or Scatterfield Road with variable rightway dedications, Mounds Road and South Scatterfield Road. This is, as I said, a single lot plat with a 30-foot front building setback line as the lot fronts both South Scatterfield Road and Mounds Road. Both of those are state roads. So, INDOT will come into play as this property gets developed if this is approved. The single lot also has a required 20ft drainage utility and communication easement around the entire interior perimeter of this almost rectangular shaped lot. There's a 25- ft buffer yard side setback to the east property line. There is a residence to the uh east. Uh the um business crew car wash will need to provide a buffer along the uh east property line, that can be a fence, that can be landscaping, it can be both. It could be one or the other. I would encourage crew car wash as this project moves along. Have some discussions with the neighbors, see what they would like to have. I don't know if they want total uh privacy with a fence or if they would be more uh in liking to have uh landscaping along there. It it kind of would be their choice uh to name what they would exactly like as a buffer. There is a 25- ft buffer yard set back side setback to the east, 20 foot uh setback uh to the north property line. Platt does show a 10 by8 electric easement running north south along the western quarter of the development. Uh 20 foot by 54 1/2 ft drainage easement is noted running east west through the northern third of the plat. This is

earmarked for a crew car wash. I do have the site plan. Uh the only thing missing from this and I was told today that uh Crew Car Wash has uh definitely agreed to put sidewalks in. Uh if you've been keeping up with the news in the paper, um the state highway, INDOT, is currently studying the 7 and a half mile uh corridor, Scatterfield Road, from Hartman Road down to East 67th Street. Uh they're looking at really hard at things such as uh crosswalks, sidewalks, new signalization, signage, um probably a few other areas I can't even think of right now. But uh in this case, um crew car wash has agreed that our city ordinance does require sidewalks. They they have agreed to put six foot wide concrete sidewalks along Scatterfield and also along Mounts Road. The only question is when will they be installed? Um, we hate to have crew put the sidewalks in only to have INDOT finish their two or threeear study and come back in 2029 or 2030 and decide they're going to rip all the sidewalks out that crew put in already. So, the two of them hopefully will work together in deciding where those um sidewalks need to be located again along Scatterfield and along Mounts Road. The the point is everybody's on the same page here as far as improving the walkability of our community and with these two parties working together, hopefully we can get the that corner really spruced up and looking really nice. Uh the reason for a second crew car wash, we do have one down around 50th and South Scatterfield Road. Uh it is and and the developers can speak to

this. Uh that store in Anderson at 50th in Scatterfield is the number one uh car wash for crew car wash uh in I think in the region in the Midwest and it needs some pressure taken off of it. So by putting this further north hopefully that will attract some of the cars coming from the north to stop here to get the car washed as opposed to driving all the way down Scatterfield Road. Uh the whole purpose is to uh yeah to appease the customers here in Anderson. That's my place. Sorry. Um this uh crew car wash will consist of 5,789 square ft. Um staff does note there are no public infrastructure improvements involved with this final plat. Therefore, uh we do not have to have an engineer's estimate and we do not have any kind of performance bond on on file for this project. Recommendationwise, staff is recommending the plan commission members approve the crew car wash secondary plat with the following motion. I move to approve petition 126 for the crew car wash secondary plat subdivision and forward it to the board of works for the acceptance of the plat easements, covenants, and dedications as required. The crew car wash was properly advertised back on February 13th. Uh petitioner is here. I'm looking around. Okay. Uh is here. I'll let him come up. This be Nick Schultz um to uh fill in anything I left out or to answer any questions you might have. Micah. Here's the minutes.

Sure. I have two just two questions. Um, did you say I know this doesn't really affect this this what we're doing today, but did you say it has two different zonings on this split zoning? Yeah, it does. Can you where the uh Chinese wing on restaurant is that strip is all B1. Everything to the right of that where Mark motor in the parking lot, the swimming pool and everything that's B2. Are we going to eventually No, we're just going to leave that to which is an extra step that would take 90 days. to get it all under one zone. B1 or B2 will accommodate

awash. Okay. And did I I'm a little bit is so is Wingan um my understanding there's rumors that a Chinese restaurant is going to head to the old Arby's on road. I've heard that too. Yeah. Chinese restaurant there. So it's going some place. posted on their Facebook yesterday that they're closing this down and that it's and it hasn't really been open at at undetermined time they'll reopen the street. So, they are moving. They've already bought that property. Okay, that's what I thought I was hearing. So, are is so then this is for you. Is Crew Car Wash tearing that building down?

Yes. Uh Mr. Schultz, if you don't mind, state your name and address for the record, please. Yeah, Nick Schultz with Kimley Horn, uh, 500 East 96 Street, Sweet 300, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46240. Thank you, sir. Go ahead, Miss Co. He answered my question. Okay, they are tearing it down. Yes. Any further questions for the petitioners? How about a couple? Yes, Mr. House. Um, the uh I'm Matt House. I we've emailed a bunch of times.

Yes. Um the um I'm I'm a little concerned with the sanitary sewer capacity. Um that that whole area drains into 8 in line that runs through mound small.

Uh so it's a pretty large area running into an 8 in sewer line and the discharge is uh quite a bit um 17,000 gallons a day. So, here we are at the secondary plat. Uh, it seems it's kind of a big issue hanging out there to finalize a secondary plat. Um, I mean, I think if we were to move forward, it would be uh have to have some kind of caveat or something about it. But

question if I could. I I believe the city extended the sanitary sewer. Did that come from Mount Small to go over to hook into Wawwa? Yes. Yep. Okay. The same line. Yes. Okay. Uh I've got a map here, but what what the what's the plaza to the northeast there um you know north of uh this property that big plaza that all drains into this the same area. Just to clarify, the mountains hills malls over here was extended along the east side of Scatterfield. I believe you bored under Mountains Road, came over to here, and then crossed over to service the Waw Wa that's currently being built.

Uhhuh. Would you be looking at tap from Yes. But this uh this the discharge from the sewer line 17,000 gallons a day. So it's a fairly large discharge. I mean that's as big as you know a moderate industrial site that's using water. So I think it's just an issue. You know I can't you know from my perspective guarantee that that's that there's capacity in there. Sure.

So it' be a you know fairly big issue. Um so I'm just trying I'm getting out there. I'm not, you know, I don't know if we approve it with, you know, some kind of something. You know, what would happen if, let's say, that sewer line didn't have capacity. We'd have to, you know, see if crew car wash had another place they could run the line to. If there's a big expense, it might be a big issue. Might hold up the project. There's no sanitary sewer on Mounds. Nope. Nope. That's about the only sewer in the area. I see it. You had mentioned the the private line that we had initially been ti is that tie into that main line as well?

Yeah, that all goes to that same line, Hollywood Estates uh mobile home park. So, u I mean I'm offering a problem here without a solution. I don't know uh like if we approve it with like um or just

ultimately I think ultimately you know they're just laying out the easements and stuff for it. So you know nothing we'll do preconstruction and if they can't make it work then I guess we will have to iron that out in preconstruction. Well, and to your point, will this I didn't think about this, but with the water issue we had a couple of weeks ago and um is this going to cause a problem with our water resources plus the pressure with Hollywood estates right next door to it? I mean, I hadn't thought about that till you were talking it being right next door. I didn't think about that.

Um I mean, it it uses 30,000 gallons a day, which is a decent amount, right? Um it's car wash. So I just don't want I don't want the people who live also in Hollywood estates right there be also affected by that. Right. So I didn't know if that had been also Yeah that's kind of the same thing. Yes that 8 inch line is 8 inch all the way to the H where the Hollywood estates connects in. So it is yeah that is kind of my concern. So it's both drainage and and water capacity. Um I don't know you see like some pretty big issues. Have you had any conversations with the water department?

Neil McKe? No, we not to this point. The the intent was to get through consolidating this lot through this process as we're working with the the engineering, getting approvals that way. I would think storm drainage wouldn't be a huge problem. White River is just out the back door, so to speak. Um, is that included? That might be in the INDOT in INDOT's driveway permit. I don't know if that was included. I did have a you know a couple concerns about that. But here's the site. So here's why you're meandering through here. Yeah, the the storm water we are proposing underground detention. Oh, okay. Under the parking lot. Correct. Yes.

So that's not an issue. Just that sewer discharge. Let me ask you this, Matt. There was a motel there before. Let's say it had 40 rooms yet a Chinese restaurant there with a combined sanitary sewer usage of those two uses come close to equaling a car wash. I don't know. No, I don't think so. It's probably like I don't know flushing thousand or something. I do know typically we only require a 6 in line as our discharge line. So if there is an 8 in I know it's a capacity issue not necessarily a one pipe size to another. I know that's not apples. That's apples and oranges, but uh that is I guess to make a note.

Matt, can you control that by by the permit process by not issuing permits until the that those matters have been resolved? Yes. Okay. Yeah, this is just approving the plaque. Yes, probably could go ahead and do that just long as there's a check on it is what I'm thinking which they which you would want too. That could be a right right we don't want an issue there right yeah it is uh okay part of the both of those things are included in the drainage

I think what we should do is just make a notation in the minutes that permits would not be uh handed until the issues of water capacity and sewage capacity were resolved with the city engineers office but but not not delay you don't have to delay the approval of the plat or condition it other than saying that I think let's make sure the minutes do reflect that though I'll make sure of that and and again our department will be who will schedule the preconstruction meeting and get all the different departments together uh before they start to build anything so yeah there will definitely be multiple checks on it

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and I I do want to make one note on the on the secondary plot we had shown the uh both the drainage and the electric easement uh with conversations and figuring we'd have some of these engineering conversations. We have pulled those easements off the plat to be further recorded as meets and bounds as a separate standalone document so we can move forward with the consolidation of just the lot itself as we I guess cross our dot our eyes cross our tees with with those actual easements. So that is one slight difference from what's shown on the screen there. But these events will be recorded at a at a later date.

So Matt, when you think about this going forward, I mean, did you say it was 30,000 gallons of discharge a day? That's the water usage. Uh, and then they have a water reclamation system. Okay. Uh, so they discharge about 17,000. So you're going to do calcul but that's not all going right now. That's going to be over a period of time pos however long they're open. So you'll do those calculations to then determine what that eight 8 inch line can handle at any given time. I I would assume yes.

Yeah. Some in some way that'll be determined. Uh yeah, that Hollywood estates drains into that same line and that plaza to the north. So it's a little bit complicated and the old uh all the properties around the old mountains mall. But yeah, I mean I think all those things are part of a later approval, but you know, some of the language on the plat is sort of the city determining some of these things. But I think if we uh you know, mention it during the minutes, then it's not, you know, it's not really it doesn't hurt us this as a city really. It's just going to be the developer and everyone could Well, they're going to do those same calculations,

right? Well, I mean like if if something doesn't work out, it's the developer is going to be out of some investment here. But I don't think it really affects the city negatively. Okay. I'm just saying that I guess I'm just saying there's is a risk. You know, what if this line doesn't work? You know, crew crew car wash is the one that would uh kind of be in bad shape because they would have invested the time and money in and developing the plans and then it didn't work out. Well, one other factor might be the fact we haven't had a mall in 13 years

at least. So, the sanitary sewer servicing the Mountains Mall hasn't been utilized for the Mountains Mall, and we don't know what's going to happen with the mall, but I hate to make it sound like we're trading horses, but if the mall continues to be shut down, I can't see any reason why the crew car wash wouldn't be able to tap into the pipe. Since we no longer have the mall there, the car wash could theoretically substitute for the mall as far as usage when it comes to san. Sounds like it'll work out to me.

Yeah. I just have one question and it's just because I don't fully know what this means. What is the engineer what where it says therefore an engineer's estimate and bond are not required. What is an engineer's estimate mean? uh engineer's estimate would be if you had to put streets in, if you had to put sidewalks in, if you had to put in sewer lines, water lines, they would the engineer would tally all that up for us. And they use that engineer's estimate in order to formulate your performance bond, which is a 125% of the engineer's estimate that needs to be on file with our office until all that stuff gets installed. Once it gets installed, it's checked by Matt. But we don't need any of that for this.

No, because So does that. So all of this stuff that he's talking about, is it a problem that we don't have that because we won't have that going on. Shouldn't be. Okay. The only I'm trying to understand how exactly how it works. If it ultimately is determined that the pipe is not sufficient to handle the the capacity, I mean, what's the remedy? put in a larger pipe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but that's speculative, right? We don't Right. We don't know that at this point. No, we don't. That's I mean, we couldn't even

to say that there was a need for public in infrastructure and therefore the bond and all that. Oh, right. We don't know that, right? Yeah. I don't think so. And it can't be the first time that they've had discharge considerations. I mean, surely they can manipulate their their system into discharging it at a at a meter rate, I would assume. And the numbers provided are historical data based on other other locations. So there are ways that we can further engineer certain ways. Exactly. That's why the engineers are engineers,

right? Yeah. Okay. Any further questions? Does anyone in the audience have questions about this petition remmonstration? Want to speak for the petition? Seeing none, we're ready to take action. I move to approve petition 126 for the secondary plat for a subdivision to be known as crew car wash subdivision and forwarded to the board of public works for acceptance of the plat easements covenants and dedications. I'll second it.

We have a motion and a second to approve petition 1-26 a secondary plat. Micah, can we have a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Drugs, yes. Mrs. Yes. Mr. Dean, yes. M. Yes. Mr. Turn. Yes. Mrs. Williams. Yes. Mr. House. Yes. Mr. Spencer. Yes. Motion pass. 8 Z. Thank you. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Hey. Thank you. See you, Mr. Styers. Thank you.

Moving on. Um, we'd like to build some houses if at all possible. This next petition 2-26 submitted by Arbor Homes. Lance McElroy. I hope I got that name right. Lance McElroy. Or is it Mroy? Oh, and also their engineer Kyle Icorn. Correct. That's you. We got Tony in the back. I've not met her. So I I This is the group that is Arbor Homes. They are seeking primary plat approval for a 199 lot residential subdivision. I'm frozen. Please,

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200 homes. Okay. Is it going? Yep. Yep. So, there

again, we're here to seek primary plat approval for a 199 lot residential subdivision to be known as Ironbrook subdivision. It sits on a it's the area outlined in gold to 60 acre site stretching from Main Street on your left over to Columbus Avenue on your right. It is south of Shock Edition which is on your left above the uh gold bar and then uh the old Madison Park Church of God which then became Freedom House

Freedom House and now it's now it's IT Town Church as I said this will be called Iron Brooks subdivision.

Uh they will have eight new public streets, four entranceways or exit ways on Anderson's far south side. All the lots are zone B1 local business. Staff would note Arbor Homes Incorporated is no stranger to Anderson as they have been involved with at least two maybe three different subdivisions in Anderson. Uh Fox Trace and Scarlet Lakes there on 53rd Street. Fox Trace is over on Madison Avenue. There's a little clear definition and there's an outline of of the 60 lots. Here's the actual layout as to how the um 60 acres will be subdivided, split up into various uh lots. You see the detention areas, lakes one, two, and three. Uh, in this subdivision, the lots will range in size from 6,000 square ft up to 14,221 square ft. Just depends where they're located. If you're rounding a corner on a street, obvious obviously your lot's going to be bigger. Um, those lots, but up against the lake area also will be elongated. Uh, it just depends again where where they're located. Uh the plat does show all lots will have a 30-foot front building setback line. All lots will feature a 20 foot drainage, utility, and communication easement across the front of all lots. Also a 20ft drainage, utility, and communication easement off the rear of several of the lots, plus 5t, 10-ft, and 15t drainage, utility, and communication easements uh at the rear and side lot lines at various lots. Several lots also show a number of lots with a 20ft rear building setback line. The submitted primary plat does show a 55- ft half rideway dedication on the main street

end or west end of the plat and a 50-foot half rideway dedication on the Columbus Avenue or the east end of the subdivision. Uh the get you a different drawing. It's a busy drawing there. It's hard to really see that. Um, this is the main street end, uh, where Lake Three is. Uh, you can see the highlight in yellow. Uh, and I'll show you one also for the other end at at Ma at Columbus Avenue. Yeah, that one right by it. Also in yellow. But uh at both ends they're showing taper lanes for XL del lanes so traffic can move over as they're approaching the subdivision to go home for the evening. Get out of the way of traffic headed north south on Columbus Avenue. Get out of the way of traffic on Main Street going north south. Uh anyway, they're showing extra lanage, so to speak. four cars to kind of uh merge to the left or merge to the right depending on which direction you're coming uh to to del or if you're pulling away pulling out of the subdivision onto Main Street or Columbus, you're able to exhale uh and merge into traffic on both of those roadways. There's also a 20 foot, 30 foot, 50 foot, and um 60 ft outer perimeter gas pipeline relocation easement and gas transmission lines on the north, south, and west sides or uh along the edges of this plat. There are three, as I mentioned, common areas or lakes, one, two, and three at various locations to help with on-site storm water detention. additional common areas which are initialed as CA. I'll go back to drawings that show those a little better.

Uh this drawing shows the CAS on the north, south and east sides of the plat. Uh the three lakes, all three lakes will have 10-ft what are called safety ledges. This is something really new that we haven't seen in our previous residential subdivisions. This is more for obviously for safety reasons. Then there's a 10-ft maintenance ledge which is inside the safety ledges as you creep towards the center of the lakes. Again, all for safety reasons. I'll let them explain uh that a little further if you want to uh delve into that. A 25- ft drainage, utility, and sewer easement is also noted around the outer perimeter of Lake Three. Um, I don't believe, I didn't confirm this yet with them, but I went ahead and put this in here. Uh, I don't believe that they're planning to do any fencing around the three lakes. Plat review committee did meet on this on Tuesday, February the 10th, concerning the primary plat, and minor revisions were suggested, and those have been completed. Uh, the engineering firms of HWC and ANF Engineering each submitted a drainage study and a traffic impact study. Very lengthy documents. Matt's gone through them. He's has them memorized. That's

right. Uh this deals with the storm water on this site and also uh as we showed earlier, the traffic impact uh the ability of cars to be able to pull in and out of the subdivision or del to pull into the subdivision both on Main Street and also on Columbus Avenue. I believe you have an email from Matt that shows he is basically in agreement with both of those studies, both the TRA traffic and also the drainage. he can speak his own opinion as to what he uh fully thinks about both of those. Uh as far as the actual subdivision, get my buttons right. Um this proposed residential subdivision, which we haven't had a new residential subdivision in a number of years, we ran out of available single family empty vacant uh sub uh single family home sites. Um, Micah, the name of that subdivision there on 67th,

Apple Downs. Apple Downs was our last one. Um, those were where we had some half million dollar houses being built, but those got all bought up. Uh, a lot of times we had a lot of um, retirees moved to uh, Park. I don't know why I can't keep that. Apple Highland Park. Apple.

Apple Downs. Sorry. Um, a lot of retirees move there and they're able to visit their kids who are down in Fisers, uh, to babysit, to go to birthday parties and so forth, and then they drive right back to Anderson. So, yeah, that Apple Downs, uh, saved us, I'll put it that way, and did pull in a lot of new uh, residents to our community over the last several years. Uh the rest of the property, I'm sorry, the rest of the development, the 199 homes. Arbor Homes is using their arrival series of homes, which are an entry- level style of house. The series offers, I believe, five floor plans with square footage ranging from 14, 1150 ft up to,920 square ft. These homes, you've got them in your packet. These homes will be two and three stories, which I don't think we've had any what I would call new three-story homes. A lot of historic homes in the district are threestory homes, but you can see from the elevation drawings in your packet, uh these are something new that we haven't seen in Anderson uh yet uh as far as new homes being built. Uh the price range for these homes will be from 300,000 to 375,000. Uh back in July of last year, uh Arbor Homes went before our board of zoning appeals and they were granted a variance uh that allows them to build ground floor square footage smaller than what the city ordinance minimum requirement is of 750 ft². Most of their two and threetory homes will have an average uh bottom floor square footage of between four and 500 square feet, but they easily make up for the square footage as you build the second and third story of these homes. Staff-wise, we are recommending approval of the primary plat for Iron Brook subdivision because

of the following. It does meet the requirements of our subdivision control ordinance. If approved, staff is recommending the following motion to be made. I move to approve petition 226 for a primary plat for Ironbrook subdivision. This plat, if approved, is not to be forwarded to any other governmental unit. Legal ad was published back on February the 7th. Certified mail notices went out to property owners within 300 ft of the outline of the 199 homes uh back on February the 5th. Uh we have a number of petitioners here from Arbor Homes uh to introduce themselves and answer any questions. Guys, pick and choose who's going to come up first.

Hi, I'm Lance Mroy. I'm engineering manager for Arbor Homes. Um be taken over here this primary plat and taken into construction plans if so approved tonight. I don't really have anything more to add to the presentation. I will take questions though. There there is one empty spot like right off Barite Street. Is there anything going to be developed in there right next to right right next to Lake Two? Oh, that is uh county. That's in the county right there. Oh, to the west of Lake Two. That is not part of the property.

I just didn't get my scissors out well enough to that is in the county. They don't have any control over that. Does it bother anybody with OCD that there's only 199? There's not 200. It kind of bothers me. I'd be like, we got to figure it on purpose. You put a house boat on one of the lakes. 200 less than 200. Jennifer, why did he say that? It's in the county. Okay. Matt, you you have addressed your concerns in the letter. Did you did I send a letter for this? Yeah, it's it's in our package. Oh, I didn't I didn't know that.

Yeah, I think the uh Yep. the drainage looks good to me and the um traffic looks good. I think that the western U pond there connects to the county legal drain. Uh that's something I mentioned during the meeting, but I think you guys had talked to them and it looked like it was going to be something that was going to Yeah, we're we we've submitted to the uh the county drainage board um for their review. They've got outside engineers uh banning I think it is is taking a look at it and we're um corresponding back and forth with them about any kind of um concerns that they may have. Sounds good. Yeah, I don't have any concerns just the project in general. Oh yeah, there it is. Look how smart I am. I did notice that.

I can't even remember that. I wrote an email. Yeah, you sure did. It took me some time there. One of the aerials still shows Ace Airport. I just can't imagine where you would have pulled that from. I had forgotten where that was when I saw it. I thought that's where it was. Yeah. And we had a few phone calls from neighbors uh making the statement that, well, I'm used to looking out my window. Uh, is that why there's a picture of a deer as the last that was provided by one of the

one of the neighbors from Shock Edition that he was trying to hammer home his point that uh I won't get to look at the deer anymore because there'll be houses back there. And that's when we reminded him that at one time your property was a corn field. You got to build your house. You need to give everybody a chance to have a new home sometime during their lifetime. So good for the goose, good for the gander, in this case the deer. So, I think it's going to be a great location with It Church going in. Hopefully, draw some

because a lot of young people go to It Church and so that could draw some people from the Fisers kind of that area. There's the closest one is exit 210. So, we have a lot of people in Anderson go to town church. So, this this could definitely be a great thing for Matt,

you might speak to this as far as um your feelings. This will end up providing theoretically what would be an east west corridor to get from Main Street over to Columbus Avenue, but it's not a straight shot through. You have to kind of meander here and there. Do you have any concerns about this in ending up being a raceway through here for cars or do you see it as a benefit having these houses there and allowing traffic a little easier route if they're headed to Bernard's if they're headed to Montana Mike who whoever right yeah we kind of talked about that during that the meeting um you know yeah the the houses do front the road that would be the connecting road between two busy roads Columbus and Main Street. Uh but there the traffic study and I I agree with the traffic study uh seemed seem to conclude that there wouldn't be that much traffic uh to where it would be a problem. Um and yeah, that's got some some traffic calming configurations there. Um I think also the uh the other thing we talked about is if you know this road was intended to be a connection to commercial area. if they ever wanted to develop Main Street, then it would you wouldn't want to have houses fronting the road, but I don't think that's really in the cards. And I think the county didn't reszone the area closer to the bridge on Main Street for that animal protection project. So, um I so I did kind of talk through some things and I think the traffic report u uh seemed to show that it it won't be a problem.

Next question. How does the safety zones around the ponds work? The uh opposed to a fence,

the safety ledge is usually about a foot to foot and a half below the water level. So, if someone were to fall into the water, they could stand up. It's a 10 foot wide ledge. Um the maintenance ledge is actually above the water level. It's kind of a little bit more flat for maintenance of if someone need to maintain the lake or just mowing and so forth. It's it's so it's just not a constant slope into the lake. Little bit of a 10-ft ledge that just helps them to mow the lake better. And if they have to maintain the lake for any reason. Any further questions for the petitioner? I think this is great.

Does anyone in the audience have support for the petition, remmonstration against the petition, or questions about the petition? Seeing none, the I I do have one more. When do you plan on starting to build? When are you hoping to start building? Remember, this is a primary plan. He's about to do a secondary plan, right? I know we if we can get through um if we we're granting approval tonight and we can get through overall design and construction plans and be approved I'm kind of roughly thinking five months we we might be able to start moving dirt

August September of November this year maybe put in storm and sanitary through the winter be able to be in a position to pave like a first section in spring of next year. At the worst, we're moving dirt about this time next year and paving summer of next year. So, so you see this as a phased? Yes. Yes. With 199 lots and if we could get 200, we absolutely would have done it. Um, we are probably looking at three sections. Um,

you know, where you would start, left or right? We're we're going to have to connect from main main street, which is where the sanitary connection is, all the way through the main east west street and all the way up to to 67th Street because that's where the drainage and water is. So, the first section is going to make the connection on Main Street and it's going to make the connection on 67th Street and then sections two and three will be the all the lots that are kind of south of that. Really, I saw that 67th Street will for South. Yeah. And tie into this new main street that we

probably make that that's probably going to be section one. It's a big section, but it doesn't work out very well otherwise. Sanit's on one end, water and drainage are on the other. And after we do get paved is when we start building the houses. So, you won't see rooftops in here until next year for sure.

Second. Maybe back to your original topic asking about the bond. They would have the option of either posting a what's probably going to be a sizable performance bond. Again, 125% of the engineers estimate for all the new streets, sewers. These are all public infrastructure improvements. So, uh they would have the option of posting a bond and then starting construction at one end or the other. or they can go ahead and put the improvements in and then just post a much smaller maintenance bond that covers the conditions and the maintenance of all the public improvements put in for this 199 lot subdivision. Okay. Thank you.

Uh I'll ask again if anyone has any further questions about the petition. Seeing none, we're ready to take action. Mr. President, Mr. Turner. I move to approve petition 226 for primary plat for Ironbrook subdivision. The plaque, if approved, is not to be forwarded to any other government unit. Second. Second. We have a motion and a second to approve petition 2-26, uh, primary plat. Micah, can we have a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Yes. Yes. Demon. Yes. Mine. Yes. Mr. Curry.

Yes. M. Williams. Yes. Mr. House. Yes. Mr. Spencer. Yes. Pass. Thanks for coming and good luck with your project. Excited. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Good job, guys. Mr. Styers, you have the floor.

Our third and final item tonight is more economic development for this city. In this case, hopefully some industrial sites, maybe commercial. We'll have to just kind of wait and see. Should be somewhat familiar to you. This same piece of property. Get you the right piece up on the wall. This same piece of property came to you, I'm going to say three years ago. Um, this is the kind of a triangular shaped piece of property that is south of the Surerax plant. Uh, plants are the complex uh off of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. Um, it's here where the X is, uh, outlined in yellow. Is this where the trucks were parking? Yes.

Okay. Yes. So, I was wondering, thanks for asking.

Glad to see that disappear. uh that gentleman that owned it at the time and who brought this to you as a primary plat for the Jarvis subdivision uh did sell uh to uh the petitioner AIBP and Raj Dollywali. Is that the best way to say it? Um property is located in the 3-3100 block of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. It's on the west side of the street. This triangular-shaped site does contain 18.7 acres. It is zoned I2 industrial and is a vacant lot. Property is bounded on the east and west sides by CSX railroad tracks and on the north as I said earlier by the Surerax plant complex again to the north. Uh this is I'm going to say the last remaining portion of the former GM guide lamp division which was originally on this whole stretch of acreage all the way to 25th Street. Uh it has slowly but surely been developed and laid out in lots. So uh this is kind of the reincarnation uh of this property into an industrial development. All utilities are available to the site. As I mentioned three years ago, this was before you for a single lot plat by Mr. Jarvis. Uh he got approval then from the board of zoning appeals for a truck terminal. Uh we discovered we think he had his um development strategy kind of mixed up. Uh he didn't really have any financing behind him. I think he thought Surerax was going to step in and assist him a little bit in building his his uh truck terminal. That didn't happen. So that's why he resorted to putting the semi-truck parking lot in which was highly illegal. Uh we chased him for Micah three or four months I guess

trying to get him to stop. Um the actual primary plat amended primary plat uh being presented by local engineer Steve Serve is a four lot plat. Uh this will be known as the Anderson Industrial Park Subdivision. The proposed four lots will range in size from 4.136 acres up to 5.279 acres. The lots do not have any kind of front building setback line because they are oriented or situated well off of the main road, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. Uh the actual property starts west of the CSX rail tracks. uh considerable distance away from the roadway. So there would be no front building setback line they would need to meet because they're already a ways back off of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. All four lots will be accessed from the north off of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard by way of a 530 foot long irregular ingress egress easement. I'll light that up for you. It's this little finger that would act as a driveway access. uh depending on what industrial improvements go on these four lots. Uh employees would come in here, work their way here, and then there would be an easement that would go along this side of the tracks, whether that's a a driveway, a roadway, uh and lead to the parking lots in each of those uh uh developments on those four lots. Uh the amended primary plat also shows all four lots and the ingress egress with a 20ft drainage utility and communication easement around the interior perimeter of all four of the lots and also straddling the lot lines

between lots one two and three. There is a 40 foot wide ingress egress drainage utility and communication easement is shown along the east side of lots one, two, and three as they front the CSX uh rail track. This amended primary plat was reviewed by the plat review committee back on February the 10th. Minor revisions were suggested. The one improvement I can remember they did, uh, they insisted on straddling the drainage, utility, and communication easement along the lot lines between the lots so that the utilities would not have any problem accessing all four of the lots. Staff-wise, we are recommending approval of the amended primary plat for the Anderson Industrial Park subdivision with the following motion. I move to approve petition 3-26 for an amended primary plat to be known as the Anderson Industrial Park subdivision. This plat, just like the one before, uh, if approved, is not to be forwarded to any other governmental unit. Legal ad was published by Mr. Serveys back on February the 11th. Certified letters were sent out by Mr. Serveys on February 11th. Petitioner is here and represented by Mr. Serveys. Steve

uh Steve Survey Service Engineering Surveying 920 Main Street Anderson. Um happy to answer any questions you might have. Uh Mr. I call him I just call him Raj because his last name is hard for me to even pronounce. But uh he is familiar with Anderson. he uh him and his group uh own property down on 64th Street. Um the rest of that undeveloped property down there. So uh they they believe in Anderson and marketing things here. Uh he said he has had some interest in in this site uh because of the smaller pieces of property. Nobody wants the whole 18 acres, but uh the you know the four to six acre sites uh are much more marketable and and he has had some interest. Uh we would work with uh Matt on uh anything with drainage and sanitary sewer uh once once we do get a uh user coming in on the site. And so what we're trying to do now is just get them split up into the marketable size so he can uh get some users in here and bring some more business to town.

Any questions from commission members for the petitioner? Yes. Yes. M

um does he know what is going to go on? Well, he it's it's going to it's going to be a commercial or industrial small industrial type use. Uh I mean, I think the zoning classification allows for quite a bit of leeway on that. I mean, it's not going to be any big big companies coming in or anything like that. It's going to be smaller specialized sites. I mean, you you may have a you may have a truck repair place like um what Mr. Jarvis was going to do. You may have somebody that does commercial uh warehouse type things and distribution. So there's there's several different things that can go in here. What does he have on 64th Street?

He owns the rest of the undeveloped property. They Oh, it's just property. Yeah. Yeah. They they sold the property where the True Hotel is and the and the piece north of that. And then there's a piece to the uh east of that that's been purchased. But uh the rest of that undeveloped property to the east, his group owns that property. I have a this has nothing to do with this, but Micah, did the city put up the no trucking truck parking sign in front of the Mounds Road? There's a hu where the Mexican truck stop we I had discussion with Burgess Cook about that and he put those up.

He put them up. Okay. We've had some responses from the owners of the semi- rigs and of course they're busily trying to figure out where can I move my semis to. So we're trying to steer people to the properties where they could easily do that. But the problem we're running into is that's outside storage. And we kind of fixed that last year by passing legislation that requires a special exception for outside storage. So um Okay. I had a question. Yes. Uh you did say uh it might be a warehouse or it might be um it it would have to be something that would fit into that zoning classification cuz I live right down the street. So

Oh, okay. Okay. Like a warehouse. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I I to me I I it looks it's going to be more of a a commercial type repair type use with with not a whole lot of traffic just because of the location of it. What's the little weird triangle between lots three and four? down on the south end. Is that

Oh, that that's a that's a water line that goes through there. So, we we made that uh basically a irregular utility easement because I don't think anybody's going to go south of that water line because it's just a weird little triangle piece. So, I think that would just remain to be grass. I was kind of more referring to the one a little further up, Tim. Check over here. Oh, that that's just that's just a radius line as for part of the boundary. Okay. Yeah, it's it's just part of the boundary lines. There's there's some long radiuses on there because of the railroad curve and that's what that is. It it does look kind of funny on there like it is. It looks like it's its own little

Yeah. Right. And and it it's not. It's it's part of the lot. Okay. All right. cannot build an easement. So if there's an easement in that triangle, yeah, that'll keep parking lot can go on an easement, but an actual structure would not. Yeah, we thought it'd be a good idea to stay off of that water line and not not worry about going anything south because it's such a small triangular area that setbacks would just be a problem and there's no sense attempting anything. Steve, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe to orient the plan commission members a little more. The ground over here is the fit USA. Yes, it is. Yes.

So, that kind of gives you an idea of where where you are here. So, so the the lot maintains them easements, right? Yes. Okay. Any other questions from commission members for the petitioner? Seeing none, do either of you gentlemen want to come up and ask a question or have any concerns? Looks like you're the only two left. Okay. Uh seeing none, we're ready to take action.

I move to approve petition 3-26 for amendment primary plat known as the Anderson Industrial Park subdivision. Plus is not to be forward to any other government. Second. And we have a motion and a second to approve petition 3-26, an amended primary plaque. Can we have a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Micah. Mr. Grub. Yes. Yes. Mr. Dean. Yes. Yes. Mr. Turner. Yes. Mrs. Williams. Yes. Mr. Yes. And Mr. Spencer. Yes. Motion pass.

Thank you. Do we have Thank you. Good luck. Only one petition. I know. I'll be back though. That is all I have. I will note that we did not have any filings today. Today's the deadline to file for the March 24th meeting. Um the only thing on the agenda would be Mr. Kelly Drews. uh whether he gets his building up to code in time to proceed on with the resoning. We'll have to find out. We'll let you know whether there's a meeting or not. As of right now, I would I would almost hazard to guess that we would not have a meeting because nobody filed. Okay. Okay. Uh meeting's adjourned for the Thank you.

Thank you. Go. Hey, Micah and Tim.