City Council - Regular Meeting

I'm going to open uh the regular city council meeting of Thursday, June 8th with invocation um by Councilwoman Landers and pledge of allegiance. Uh Councilman Newman, please stand. Let's pray. Gracious God, we come together tonight in a spirit of unity and service. I pray for the family, friends, and students of school teacher Nancy Staley, who was killed in a car accident on her way to work this morning. Please provide them with peace and comfort during this very difficult time. We ask for insight and compassion as we make decisions for the good of our community. May our words and actions tonight be guided by fairness, respect, and a shared commitment to those we serve. Amen.

Amen. Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Madame clerk, roll call, please. Councelor Turner, present. Councelor Harless, here. Councelor Dixon, I'm here. Councelor Freeman, here. C, uh, President Pro Tim Cole, here. Councelor Landers, here. Councelor Graham here. Councelor Newman, yes. Councelor Wagner here.

And we would like to welcome our newest member, uh, Councilwoman Wagner. So, wanted to add that to it. [applause] And then say hi to our past um because I'm sure he's watching online. Lance Stevenson. [laughter] I'm sure he is, too. I would like to thank Clerk Ashley for moving me up one instead of being at the bottom of the totem pole. [laughter] All right, we have minutes to be approved. I ain't got agenda. Madam President, I'd like to have the minutes approved of uh the December 11th, 2025 meeting, please.

Second. Councelor Turner, yes. Councelor Harless, yes. Councelor Dixon, yes. Councelor Freeman, [clears throat] yes. President Proim Cole, yes. Councelor Landers, Councelor Graham, yes. Councelor Newman, yes. Councelor Wagner, yes. All right, we now have council organization election. So, we have the election of president and president proim um to do tonight. It's required by law. So, you want to make any type of nominations? Yes. Yes. Uh, I'd like to nominate uh Councilman Greg Graham as president. Madame President. Well, we have to have a second. Second.

First. Go ahead. I'd also like to make a nomination. Okay. I would like to nominate Jennifer Cole. Second. Okay. Does anybody else want to make any nominations? We will close. Do we do it just by name? How do we Yes. Okay. Councelor Turner. Culp. [clears throat] Councelor Harless. Culp. Councelor Dixon. Greg Graham. Councelor Freeman. Graham. Councelor Culp. Culp. Councelor Landers. Culp. Councelor Wagner. Graham. Councelor Newman. Graham. Okay. And councelor Graham.

Graham. Okay. Do you want to go ahead and take your seat now? Sure. Okay. You here for now, Jennifer? Okay, fine.

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Mr. President, I'd like to make a nomination for Pro Tim. I'd like to nominate Tiffany Harless, please. [clears throat] Second, Mr. President. Yes, sir. I'd like to put nomination for Pro Tim. Councilman Dixon. Second. Very good. We've had two nominations. uh for the office of uh prom. Will the clerk please call the role? Council Turner. Harles. Councelor Harless. Harless. Councelor Dixon. Harley Dixon. Councelor Freeman. Dixon. Council Culp. Uh Tiffany Harless, please. Councelor Landers. Harless. Council Wagner.

Dixon. Councelor Newman. Dixon. President Graham. Dixon. Okay. Always pro Tim. Very good. Thank all of you. Yes. I guess I should say Councilman Dixon is pro Tim. Huh? She said Dixon's pro Tim. She said I should have said I should have corrected my own. Yeah. Correct your speech. Councelor Dixon. All right. That's a little bit better. Hey, you [laughter and clears throat] didn't even hear me.

We all have that little problem these days. Well, thank you very much. Um very uh it's an honor to be elected president of the council. I've served uh now uh in my sixth term on and off and u uh I think public service is an honorable honorable venture and you have a chance to do and help a lot of people and that's what we will try to do as we move forward. I want um uh those of you I want to thank those of you that voted for me and I also want to tell those that chose another path. My door is always open. My phone's always there. Not after 10. Um and you anybody's welcome to call me if I can be of help to them um as they go about their job of serving the citizens of Anderson. Uh, I too would like to uh add my thanks to Lance Stevenson for his um service to the community. Um, Lance Stevenson uh is a fine younger guy and I've known him a long time and uh he served this community well and I I certainly wish Lance well in whatever comes next. You know, he is a a civil engineer. Uh he'll be he works out of Indianapolis. his wife is now teaching school in Noblesville. Their children are all out of the nest. So, it was a natural move for them and I certainly wish them well. I would also uh want to reintroduce Robin Wagner who was the winner in the fifth council district caucus to replace uh Lance Stevenson. Um, she comes to us with a great deal of government experience, currently working in the auditor's office for 20 years. Is that

about right? Right. And she also served a term on the Madison County Council. So, she understands a little about government and we had a nice discussion yesterday uh at lunch and uh look forward to helping her get established uh and up to speed on some serious issues that are going to come our way. So, welcome Robin. Thank you.

Yes. Don't be nervous. You should give her a round of applause. [applause] Finally, I want to thank council councilwoman Culp for her service as pro Tim the last two years. You know, after the last election, there were three new members come to the council and I Jennifer was obviously a great help to them in getting acclimated and they're off and running and doing fine. So, thank you for that. [applause] All right. Uh, we'll be Can you say something great? You sure can.

Yeah. And, uh, I'm Olly Dixon. I have, this is my fourth term, I believe, on Anderson City Council as president. Uh, who, uh, had the most, Donna Davis or or you? No, Donna. Donna would have. Yeah.

Okay. But uh now we got a lot of problems ahead of us uh in terms of we need to bring in some jobs, some good paying jobs that people can afford uh homes to raise their children's and to educate their kids. Now we've got a crazy man in the White House and I go political cuz I'm for people. So we can I'm not giving out any accolades or special to anyone until they prove they here for the people. I'm here I am the choice of the people. So let's us band together and get something done for the people. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman [applause] President. Excuse me. Okay. Uh it's time now to move on to communications. Uh Greg Winkler. No, he here. We took him off the agenda. Excuse [clears throat] me. I amended the agenda. Okay. He's been removed because he he's not going to be here this evening. Sure. As well as the tax abatement for Readington. That's been removed. Hey, get us get us the Rosemary. Um, one other thing, Rick. What's that? Uh, Sheila. Yes. Would you see to that the new council member gets a U Robert order book? So, this is all Thank you very much. 126.

It's got the rules of the common council. Yeah. And that's another thing we may look at amending too. Yes. I gave them to you tonight. I I see what you mean. We we will work on that as well. We will. All right. And we'll have something for next month's meeting on that. Yeah.

If anyone want to have something to say, we're going to amend the Robert Rules of order. If you want a copy of what we have now, we'll be glad to pass it out to We want you involved. We want input from everybody uh uh all of the citizen. You are okay, the ones that pays our salary. We work for you. We're public servants. Uh basically, all of you, the taxpayer, you are our bosses. And I will not let this council or anyone else forget that. So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [applause]

OLLY AND I GO WAY BACK, haven't we? Ollie could play ball though. [laughter] Um, so anyway, we're going to move on now. I I do need a clarification. You said the tax evadement was off. Yes. But the uh zoning ordinance is still on. Yes. Okay. 3325 still. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, are we ready to introduce 3325? Uh, you wanted to go to communications, which is Nicole Capp. Oh, I'm so Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that was that hat. Very good. Nicole, what do you want to do? Nicole, where are you? Come. Come forward. I'm coming.

Okay. Nicole Capyinsky, combat veteran, Spring Hill Road, Anderson, Indiana. I'm glad just one second. Council has copy of the letter that she sent on what she's going to discuss tonight. Well, I condensed it even more than that. Yeah. because I felt like it was more appropriate. I might not be able to get through that whole. Okay. You think we can do this in 20 minutes? I can do it in less than 10. I think if you can make an allstar. Okay. I think I can. And then I do have gifts for all of you. I brought Robert's rules quick facts, but I'll hand it out to you in the end. And then I have a handout about ACLU social media and what our rights are as far as when we're trying to communicate with the elected officials online.

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so I'll save that for the end. Okay, so I wanted to talk about three things. I know it only says water park, but they kind of all collide together. Um, 1A suppression, water park on a super fun site, and the homeless warming centers. So, I already told you I'm a combat veteran, and I'm here tonight as a constituent exercising my First Amendment right to speak on matters of public concern. I'm addressing a pattern of suppression of speech, viewpoint discrimination, and retaliation that began outside this chamber and was later carried into by elected and appointed officials. It seems to be trending across the appointed city boards as well. I noticed the pattern of 1A suppression and viewpoint discrimination started when I became critical of local political leadership. I was subsequently banned from many political spaces, packreated social media platforms and events by individuals who were at the time elected officials. And I was banned without notice, without explanation, and without evidence simply because my speech was unwelcome. I was falsely told I was not in good standing with the Republican party. That statement was untrue. It was used as justification to silence me rather than engage my viewpoints. And what matters here is not internal party disagreement. What matters is that elected officials use their political authority to exclude a constituent and that exclusion did not remain confined to private political spaces or Facebook. It followed me and many other community members like Rebecca Krooms into the city council chamber and into the Anderson redevelopment commission board. On December 19th, 2024, this council allowed a speaker to address me my social media activity for several minutes during a public meeting. I was denied the opportunity to respond when I later exercised my own public comment time. The former vice president,

Jennifer Culp, who was not presiding, interrupted me from the days, told me I didn't know what I was talking about and ordered me to go sit down. That is now a trauma point for me from a combat veteran standpoint because I serve this nation as a Republican and I should at least get three to five minutes to speak when I want to. The distinction matters. Interrupting a speaker from the podium without the gavl or recognition is not a debate. It is the use of apparent government authority to suppress speech. The conduct violates Robert rules of order, undermines the integrity of public meetings, and constitutes viewpoint discrimination because speech critical of officials was silenced while speech about me was permitted. The situation escalated further when my husband attempted a brief comment and was cut off mid-sentence. The meeting was not properly adjourned per Robert's rules and disorder followed not because of the public but because the procedure failed within 24 to 48 hours December of December 19th around the first Christmas without my mother I was attacked and a false protective order was sought based on that evening despite no police report no contemp big word allegation no questioning of either of us and no cor no evidence that showed that we made an actual threat. The filing relied on material misrepresentations. That is not public safety. That is retaliation. As a combat veteran, I take this seriously. I did not serve this country to come home and be treated as a threat for exercising my constitutional rights or labeled as a terrorist on social media by elected officials. Tonight, I am placing the council on notice. We the people are watching. That is not that we are threatening you in any manner that we wish harm on anyone. We are saying that we are tired of the disrespect and that we want to be heard. Suppression of speech through interruption or intimidation is unconstitutional. Selective enforcement of public comment rules is unlawful. When political retaliation migrates into government

chambers, constitutional lines are crossed. I am not asking for special treatment. I am demanding equal treatment under the Constitution in which I almost laid my life down for. I can't even pledge an allegiance to this flag knowing that Kyle Pierce gave it to you guys because he has been one of the most disrespectful politicians to me on record. I will continue to speak. Huh? I didn't come for that.

He didn't come. Okay. Thank you. Now I will be able to pledge allegiance again in here. I will continue to speak. I will continue to document and I will continue defend the rights I swore an oath to uphold for myself and for every citizen who approaches this podium or any other and for Miss Rebecca Krooms because I'm tired of watching the videos and her getting yelled at and told to sit down, put your camera down. I don't think anybody should be telling us that we can't record this. So anyway, back to at the end of the day, many of us just want to be heard. Uh first amendment violations, controlling law and liability. The United States Supreme Court and Federal Appalachate Court have long held that government bodies may not silence citizens public meetings based on content viewpoint criticism criticism of officials. Okay, I'm not going to read through all those. Um, if you want that, anybody watching can get it off my Facebook or contact me directly and I'll have it on my Google Drive on social media. So, I'm going to skip that part. Description of violations I feel like have happened to me all at multiple city council meetings. Council members and allied officials have cut me off mid comment outside of my allotted time. Yelled at me to sit down, refused to allow me to speak on agenda items, applied arbitrary and selective rules to silence my viewpoint, allowed others to speak while denying me the same opportunity, retaliated after I raised concerns about ARPA funds, contamination, public health, and government misconduct. Used tone, intimidation, and hostility to chill my participation, which it did. Yeah. But I was grieving the loss of my mother because she died from and I'm getting ready to get into that. So when my husband Aaron Capushinsky attempted to state that my first amendment rights were being violated, he was cut off despite having the floor. His statement was, "You are on notice, Culp was not a threat. He may have the tone in his voice that may have came off of that if someone would have clarified and asked him because we fought for two or three

days and I almost divorced him over it. I was mad or in a wet hand. You guys have no idea. And I have records that the police came to my house to escort him off my property if that was what if it was a real threat. So trust me, I was defending what I thought too. It was a misunderstanding and nobody ever asked him what he meant and that's hurtful to me after being attacked by the Hudson situation. So anyway, back to subsequently false protective order filing was pursued without a police report. I already said all that blah blah blah. Unlawful suppression of right to petition. Okay. I I won't even get into all that one because that's a little bit of everybody. Um that is an elected position right now trying to silence me from being able to speak. So anyway, that's for another day. My mother Debbie Bil Bilbury Skyler Romanine 1281 1959 to 111204 suffered lifelong health complications from an incurable disease associated with groundwater contamination originating less than a half mile from the Wheeler water treatment plant in Irondale Pittsford Ditch Cso 25 corridor an area now recognized as part of the MPL super fun site zone corridor along the White River DOJ Clean Water Act settlement combined sewage outfall lawsuit. We had one 2002. It's still nasty out there and somebody needs to do something about it and that's why I've turned them into item and EPA and I'm working with them. On the side note, the city proposal to build a water park adjacent to an unrediated super fund site, active cso outfall violations, industrial discharges, and known exposure pathways without public environmental impact study or risk assessment is reckless. Suppressing speech on these issues is not unconstitutional. It is dangerous. So I ask my you guys don't have to respond to this. This can be what we work on together. But required corrective action. I'm putting the city council members or

elected officials on formal notice that we the people are watching. Immediate cessation of all unconstitutional suppression of my speech and the public speech. Anyone written acknowledgement of the violations that have occurred. Written assurance, which I probably won't get that other one, but written assurance that I will be permitted to speak at all future meetings without intimidation or retaliation. Mandatory first amendment and Robert rules training for the council members and the public so that we can learn civil discourse with one another. An overview or an oversight review of the water park approval process including environmental compliance and the we need an environmental impact statement. So you can find me on Heads Up YouTube channel on the Chatter Network or in Anderson Indiana events and Chatter Network 16 point or 16,000 users. We're up to almost 30,000 users in the whole thing and your vote matters. Madison County, Indiana. Okay, that is the 1A suppression. I just have a few things I want to say about the other things and then I'm done. This pile is just showing that some of these documents do not exist anymore. They're not on the Super Fund website. So, because of me and Megan and Bana Davis, we were able to download a lot of documents that have now just disappeared, but I have them if you guys want to look at them, and I'm willing to share all my stuff with everybody in the future. So, back to members of the city council. I'm here today to raise serious concerns about the proposed water park project being advanced in an area that intersects with or lies adjacent to a federally designated super fund site with no clear boundaries. The Broadway and Grand sites aren't marked. That's a problem. EPA, an item oversees the environment up to the CSOS and the treatment plants. Once it gets to the treatment plant, then it is regulated by IURC. So, there is a difference for everybody that gets mad or upset because they can't figure out who's in charge of what. EPA is up to

the water plant. IURC and all the hike rates are somebody else. So, um, rainy well number five by Dossets Garage and the old homeless encampments has algae growing out of the well casing. The homeless had encampments all throughout that contaminated areas. Nobody told me. I'm still a little mad about it. So much so that me and many of the community members went in and handpicked up trash not knowing that we were cleaning up a super fun site. The city did come in and help us. So, the homeless encampment was in such disarray it reminded me of a third world country. There were bottles of human excrement waste high. I had to phone a friend who called a friend to help get the area cleaned up. Um it was a Republican and a Democrat. So we can work together if we can't, you know, they can work together. So um that was an October 2023 intro into how me and Katherine Callahan got connected. She helped me get that cleaned up. He made the calls and I think he told me he didn't want me to mention his name, but David Ikes helped us get that area cleaned up and I think it was upwards of almost $100,000. Don't quote me on it. Sorry, David, if I misquote that, but you can ask him. I don't think he's in here, but hopefully he's watching. So, to date, the public has not been Wait, I skipped something. Okay. Super fund designations exist for one reason. Documented contamination that possess long-term risk to human health and environment. Those risks do not disappear simply because redevelopment is desirable or framed as economic progress. A water park is not a passive land use. It is a high contact, high exposure environment primarily serving children and families, populations that are especially vulnerable to environmental toxins. introducing water intensive recreation, soil disturbance, excavation, and prolonged contact in or near a contamination zone demands the highest level of scrutiny, not the lowest. And I want to pause here to

share, okay, I already told you about my mom. Um, but I would like to note that when Neil McKe stood up here in October, November of 2023 talking about the water and he mentioned POS and that thought we were testing high in POS levels in our finished water. Uh, my mom drank that water. Okay, she drank it. she would. [laughter] So anyway, I can't prove whatever, but I still have to, you know, note that she went down in the end and I I I feel like it had a lot to do with her water continued to be contaminated over there on the west side arrow and ninth right behind Strong's Market. So there's that. I'm not here to make a medical diagnosis or a legal claim, but I cannot ignore the correlation or the very real possibility that long-term exposure to contaminated water contributed to my mother remaining sick for much of her life. When families raise concerns like that, they are often told there is no proven link. But the absence certainly is not the absence of risk, especially when we are dealing with chemicals that are persistent, bioaccumulative, and still being studied for their full health impacts. The context matters when we talk about building a water park. Okay. And I think this is just kind of summing this back up is to date the public has not been provided with a specific environmental risk assessment environmental impact statement appropriate for recreational water exposure. They pushed it through so quick it made our head spin. Accumulative impact analysis, accounting for legacy contamination, groundwater migration or vapor intrusion, clear documentation of long-term monitoring, remediation, responsibilities and liability. Instead, what we see is urgency to build without equal urgency to answer hard questions. This is not anti-development. It's a pro public health. So we cannot responsibly

prioritize a water attraction while unresolved environmental risks remain particularly in particularly in a community that has already endured decades of contamination, illness and unanswered questions. Redevelopment does not justify risk transfer. Economic excitement does not override precaution and families should not be asked to trust reassurances without full transparency. And I'm asking the council, whatever powers that you have, to pause the project, require independent environmental review, and ensure that no development proceeds until all health risks are fully evaluated, public disclosed, and addressed. Uh because once exposure occurs, especially to children, there is no undue button. And it was a family trauma that my grandparents had to live with. And my mom um she wound up getting addicted to drugs and she wasn't very you know she had emotional problems as she got older because she had been sick since she was six years old. So I was raised by my grandparents and so that was some of my childhood stories. They told me the things that they had to endure. So there is that. Oh there is no water quality report for 2025. I checked on the website today. I've been looking for the last year to see if our POS levels had went down. Uh, we want to know why there hasn't been water boil advisories. That was something somebody asked me on Facebook. Um, we haven't been told to boil our water. My husband got sick 48 hours after our water turned brown. Um, he hasn't been right since and it could be two-part series because Chesterfield wastewater uh, treatment plant uh, dumped 930% above action level for E.coli into the White River at some point this summer. So, it's all documented. I even have it here, but I know we can't go over that. So, there's that. Um, why isn't the community being notified about the water issues? We get all kinds of campaign mailers each election cycle. So, we know that the city of Anderson elected and appointed officials know how to contact us when they need something. And why can't

Anderson get a website that tracks all the updates with the water projects in Anderson like they're doing over in Alexandria? And then CSO25 is not properly marked on the item map. I'm working with item on that because some of I'm logistics 88 mic. So, I'm really good with um hence this orange one here. This is just a fraction of some of the research I've done on the site and um pulled what the item had pulled. It's all kinds of historical information on the site. We still don't have a map of the site and I've brought this up with EPA and item. I've made one for everyone. If you guys want a copy of it, I think you guys already got a copy of this one, it's in that file. And then um lastly about the homeless warming center hub, we're going to go ahead and move forward on a private level um and start collecting money to try to do stuff and form a 501c3 not for profofit. But were any of you able to check on the homeless woman that passed away on December 21st and make sure like if you didn't, it's okay. We're going to have to cuz I don't want to say that she died from weather exposure because it might not have been from weather exposure, but the homeless community thinks that she okay that she passed away from weather exposure because the warming center wasn't open. So lastly, do I have a few more minutes to talk about the homeless? Okay, so homelessness does not stop on weekends, holidays, or after business hours yet. During recent weeks, while many were on vacation, there was no con consistently functioning overnight warming center, resulting in preventable harm and loss of life. This marks the second time in 5 years that responsibility for these issues has effectively been dropped and handed back to the same unelected individuals despite prior failures. The public was led to believe that the Anderson homeless task force was a joint coordinated effort to address

homelessness in Anderson Madison County. the task force has operated for at least two years with some members claiming well we'll go back I'll skip that. Um public records show thousands of dollars have been spent but yet multiple projects funded during a 25-y year period no longer exist. So we're kind of like where's all this money going? There's a little to no transparency regarding outcomes metrics or current services. Complaints have been filed with the Indiana State Board of Accounts regarding the use of homeless money or the homeless ARPA funds. Individuals serving on multiple boards. Um, one member has over 10 boards that he serves on. I think at some point that becomes an ethics issue, including um, he sat on the ARPA board and nonprofit board and have done so without adequate public explanation of conflict of interest, oversight or any results. So, it is possible for fewer than left uh, 40 people. This is what the homeless community says. They think that that money that the ARPA got is only going to help like 40 of them. So, they're they're like freaking out because they they just they feel like nobody loves them and they're not wanted and it's just, you know, it's just keeps them in that that cycle of just whatever. It keeps them in a in a cycle when they think that nobody cares about them. So, that's why we're going to move ahead on that. So, and I just kind of summing up here. I don't have to go through all this because I know I've been up here for a minute and somebody else might want to talk, but I want to point out that because of the warming center failure since 2023, um I proposed a neutral non-religious warming area and I am a believer, but I felt like it would be good to have an area that was just neutral and they don't have to be contingent on whether or not you read a Bible. um to meet basic needs of the unhoused with scalable options such as warming tents um [clears throat] similar to the models in Colorado and by the US Army proposal. They you guys didn't want it. The other

council didn't want it and it was at the end of the year. So, you know, we're here now. But a woman had gotten a hold of me around October, November 2023 because she was worried about having to sleep outside. Um I wasn't able to help her and she died in May 29, a couple days after my birthday in 2024. Allison Paige Rue um died after prolonged exposure to the elements addiction and lack of access to a woman's shelter and she contacted me and I couldn't do nothing for her and that's why I get emotional and sometimes angry because I don't want to see anybody die and suffer. So I joined the army and went operation Iraqi freedom I believed in what we were doing even if that's not what we did. So, uh, 2023 expressing she was expressing fear about how having nowhere safe to go during cold, wet, conditions. And then here she is now she's dead. Can't go back. Um, [snorts] 2025, March 2025, Roberto Garcia Figueroa lost seven fingers to frostbite after release from jail with no access to overnight warming centers. And the officer back here, the female, she's arrested him a couple times, so she's very familiar with him. but he he got released from the jail and he lost seven fingers. And then I'm just gonna the other um Janita Hood died. Um the homeless community thinks she died from lack of uh a warming center and freezing exposure, which I need to talk to a corner if anybody could help me get that information. And um I'm going to end on that. So December 21st, 2025, Janita Hood passed away. Um and I had uh fed her a lot. I talked to her a lot and she was one of the ones in the system that had her house burnt down and all she needed was a little bit of help to get it reconstructed and somebody get her back in it and it never happened and so

there. So if you guys can do something about warming centers something because I'm not going to be able to start one for a while. Oh no no I understand. First of all I want to thank you for your service. Okay. Yes. [applause] And you and I have worked together before. Yeah, we did Bingham Square. Olly, Rebecca, everybody was in on that one. Yeah, we did. That was good. Um, what I need to do here and leave your contact information with the clerk, your phone. Okay. I have cards. Um, we need to take your information, boil it down by topic. Okay. I know I'm wordy. Okay. Well, that's all [laughter] right. That's all right. Can you work on that part?

Yeah. just by subject you want to know about, you know, you mentioned the Athletic Park. Yeah. You know, and the um uh along um uh well, where the old Donnelly car parts place was is what you're talking about, whether you're old enough to remember. See, I don't know that one. So, now I'm going to have to go look. Uh and we'll we'll try to get answers for you. A lot of that is outside the purview of the city council. No, I know some of it I I just wanted to put it out there so that you guys have knowledge of it. Will you will you do that? Will you captionize that single sentence, two or three words, and give that to us? I'm going to talk to our attorney, Rosemary Curry, who's right over here, and and get some direction from her, but we will try to get your information.

Okay. Okay. That's fine. It'll take a little bit. No, and I figured it would. I mean, I mean, nothing happens over day, overnight. We did some good at Big Square. We did. I got them moved. So, all right. Thank you guys. Thank you for coming up. Uhhuh. [applause] All right. We need to move on down now to um introduction of order. Yeah. Or introduction of ordinances 35- 33-25. Mr. President. Yes, sir. I'd like to introduce ordinance 33-25.

Second. [clears throat] Ordinance 33-25, an ordinance amending ordinance number 1141, Ordinance number 2439, and ordinance number 39-63 of the city of Anderson, Madison County, Indiana with respect to a change in the zone map as to certain real estate as here in particularly described and this is 2927 South Range Line Road.

Very good. Micah Mitchell is here to talk with us about this proposal. Good evening. Yeah, the lovely and talented Tim Styers is kind of under the weather. Wasn't feeling like making a presentation. So, you get Cliff's Notes theater for me. So, this is a for a zone map change out on in the 27 or excuse me, 2500 block of uh South Range Line Road. It's this um help if I push the correct button here. That's this parcel right here plus this little sliver of I2 that's right there. It's a residential use that's there. It's zoned R R3 which allows single family two family residential. The little I2 sliver is industrial only. The uh petitioner is Michael Johnson. He's wanting to uh reszone that from the R3 and the I2 to an I1 zone so he can leave his residence there. but he's also wanting to move his uh tree cutting service into there. There are some other uses around there where you can see there's a I1 right there to the north immediately adjacent to it. And across the street there's like a gun club. There are other business type uses around so it's not going to be out of place to uh put that use in there or to change that zone map to that. So, uh, it's a total of 13 acres there that he's wanting to convert to this I1 zone. So, um, it did pass the plan commission six to nothing. 6 yes, zero no. Uh, staff did recommend approval of the petition, uh, because the surrounding zonings are it's compatible with the surrounding zonings there and the surrounding uses. And it's uh again it'll just the handful of pre-existing uses is the main thing. It's just it'll be within character. It'll actually fill out that I1 zone

there again and fill in that little donut hole. So I won't keep you too long with that. The petitioner is here to answer any questions that you may have for him. Uh Mr. Johnson, if you want to come up. Thank you. Thank you, Micah. Uh any questions of the council for on this petition? All right, Mr. Johnson. Hello. Welcome to the council. Thank you. Have you ever been here before? Uh was the planning commission? Yeah. Okay. So, now I figured out I had to come here for the council meeting and another council meeting. So, I'm here. Oh, yeah. You get real bored. We're entertainment, right? I've been told. Okay. [laughter] You have anything you'd like to say? I've been told.

Uh yeah. My name is Michael Johnson. I'm owner of Modern Tree Solutions. We've been around since 2021. Um I'm a I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce. We're actually in the top six of the flagship pitch event this year. Um, we also own a crane service and you know we're that location is going to allow us our tree business to grow, our crane service to grow and eventually we'd like to get into the landscape supply sector. So, um, you know, we're doing nothing but adding value to that property and we're going to continue to do that. Um, you know, I think a lot about how you present yourself and the the assets that you hold really says a lot about your person. So, you know, I I want to give a good example in the community and um allow more job opportunities here. So, that's why I'm here.

Thank you. Thank you. Again, any questions from the council? Any questions from the audience? Pardon me. Call for the question. Questions been called. Councelor Turner? Yes. Councelor Harless? Yes. Councelor Dixon? Yes. Councelor Freeman? Yes. [clears throat] Councilor Wagner? Yes. Council Landers? Yes. Councelor Cole? Yes. Councelor Newman? Yes. President Graham? Yes. 35- 33-25 has passed its first reading. Jeff say one, three second. No, no, two. We can't do three. Oh, I'd like to introduce ordinance 33-25 for a second reading.

Second. Ordinance 33-25 and ordinance amending ordinance number 1141. Ordinance number 2439 and ordinance number 39-63 of the city of Anderson, Madison County, Indiana with respect to a change in the zone map has to certain real estate as here in particularly described. Thank you very much. You've heard the second reading of the ordinance. Mike, anything to add? Yeah, I do have one note to add to that and that is, you know, if this is approved once he puts his business in there because he'll have some outside storage that will have to be approved by the board of zoning appeals because outside storage does now require a special exception.

You'll work with the board of zoning appeals to get that done. Okay, good enough. Uh, any further questions from the council or from the audience? Question. Questions been called. Councelor Turner. Yes. Councelor Hardles. Yes. Councelor Dixon. Yes. Councelor Freeman. [clears throat] Yes. Councelor Wagner. Yes. Councelor Landers. Yes. Councelor Cole. Yes. Councelor Newman. Yes. President Graham. Yes. Ordinance 33-25 has passed its second reading and we'll wait for the third reading then. Thank you very much. Thank you. Right. Anything else uh coming for the council tonight? I make a motion for adjournment.

Wait, wait one moment. We have a civilian review board and last year there were only two uh council people who had their representative at that civilian review board. Civil rights is just important as any damn thing else. And as vice president, I expect this council to appoint those people and have them people at the civilian review board. If not, we going to try and get have the president or someone who is interested in civil rights to make those appointments. It is a damn shame that all of us are grown individuals and we can't respect the rights of other people to have representation. Y'all grown men's and women's, get your people to the civilian review board.

We'll work on that, Ollie. I hope so. We will. I'm tired of begging people, bring your tails to the median. Right. Okay. Got people all over town here. We took the redistricting. You took away from the black community the district attempting. It ain't over with yet. But I want those people at the civil rights convention or I'm going to go to the civil rights if I have to go to United States Civil Rights Division in Washington DC. Come to the civil rights meeting.

Okay. Anything else? We have a motion to adjurnn. Do we have a second? Hold. Oh, excuse me. I don't think none of come forward. Got to come forward. I don't think any one of you Please come up to the mic. Yeah. Give your name and your address.

Okay. My name is Linda the I live in Anderson, Indiana. And I honestly don't think not one of you can help me with my problem. But anybody that knows me knows I have a severely handicapped child. And since August, I have been fighting with Medicaid and Social Security. I got out here and I took up a petition because our governor, which I have called a million and one times and will not call me back, but they cut that Medicaid waiver for these handicapped children. And I think this is horrible. And maybe one of you can tell me where to go next, what to do, right?

Because this is ridiculous. I mean, these kids have never had a chance in life. My son had half his brain removed when he was two and a half. They said he'd never live to be a year old. He's 54 and still lives at home with mom. And Ali Dixon can tell you that I'm telling you the truth. Okay. We have someone on the council that works with those kinds of issues that can pro may help us. All right. Councilwoman Harless. It is very possible that uh we could have us a conversation and maybe find some of those answers together. I have not ever encountered this particular issue like this in this nature. Of course, this is new. So, forgive me if I don't have those answers for you right this second.

That's fine, honey. I understand. But I've called the governor. I've called uh Todd Young, Jim Banks, um Kyle Pierce. I've called them all. Okay. At U Victoria Sparks, all of them, not if you will give uh Tiffany Harless your contact information. She can call you and you guys can sit down together. Okay. Yeah. She works chief chief uh deputy of the uh uh Anderson trustee office. I work in welfare investigation and matters that surround it. And yes, I'd certainly love to have a conversation and take a chance at Oh, honey, I can't wait to talk to you. [laughter] Very good. Did you say your name was Linda Zering?

Yeah. Okay. Zering. I thought I had it. How How do you spell that? Z E H R U N G. And I spelled that right in relation to that. So, you [laughter] drugtore out in Park Place. I have no idea. It was my ex-husband's name. And [clears throat] All right. Thank you, man. Thank you. You can always call me and I will call whomever you need to talk to. Okay. Well, I've been everywhere just trying I mean trying to get help. I got out here and went door to door trying to get Thank you.

people to sign petitions. I I collected I don't know how many signatures. And it's not only the kids that are losing their programs. It's like Melissa, David's music therapist. She lost half her job. I want to talk. Have you um do you know who Kirby Gillum is? Who? Kirby Gillum. She does music therapy. No.

She has started a nonprofit here in town and she is working hand in hand for some of these types of um losses. And so now I don't know what your specific area that you lost uh help in. Um but I know if you can reach out like she's a caregiver. She does, like I said, the music therapy and she does her um plain song is the name of her organization. She just started a nonprofit. So, um you could call them too. That might be a place to start to depending on what kind of um you know I had to go to work a year ago for my son because of the fact my son is a lift

and I mean I lift him when I put him at the kitchen table and I lift him when I put him in bed. And I mean, but I have an awesome son. He never has a bad day. He smiles all the time. He's just for everything he's gone through, he's just awesome. But well, he's had to have a loving family to help him. No, he had a he he took care of mom. Okay, [laughter] listen. We're due upstairs, huh? We're due upstairs to another meeting. Thank you for coming. You will hook up with uh Tiffany. Tiffany. Tiffany's an expert in this field. She can help you. But I one other thing. I heard that they're going to cut the pay for the parents that work for their children, too. I I I don't know. I don't know anything about that.

Yeah. But she But she will. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? We have a motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? Sec. Thank you. We are jjourn. Thank you for coming.