County Commissioners - Regular Meeting

100 or some acres and it was designated for recreational use okay yes i'd like to add to that since we're talking about beamers i think it's most important since these people donate that land it was sold to be used for the recreation of the kids is to honor them with a statue at veterans park or wherever we spend this money

honor those people that made that big donation okay i think that's the least the county could do is recognize that family i'm sure we wouldn't have had this that hadn't been for that you know yes all right um tourism and community development 20 we have budgeted twenty thousand dollars for way finding signage this is a tda led initiative WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCIAL PLANNING AND RESERVES, WE'RE CONTINUING TO FUND IN ESCRO FOR PROPERTY REVALUATION COMPLETION AND FUTURE PICTOMETRY PROJECTS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, PICTOMETRY PROJECTS?

Rita would be the more appropriate one to talk about it, but pictometry is a very important part of the reappraisal process because they can take the pictures and look at them. They can look at my property, and if I put up an additional building, they know they need to go out to my property. But if it's still just my home sitting on that property, then that saves them time. It saves us money in the long run. So pictometry is a very important.

So you're talking about flying over and taking pictures.

That is correct.

Yeah.

And it's done every few years. But Rita will be with us at the next course session. We had a conflict this morning, but she'll be able to answer all those questions.

Yeah, it's picked up a lot of revenue over the years. More so than you might have thought, because I remember when they first started it, they was picking up stuff where things wasn't permitted.

yes they hadn't got building permits yeah and so you go back and okay you increased your value because you increased the size of your home or your building so yeah that's a very important tool yeah it's a very important tool for them but that is budgeted in the tax office uh portion of the budget um the money to finish up the reval for next year and an additional thirty thousand dollars to put back for the pictometry project do they fly with airplanes or drones how they I believe it's Plains, but again, Rachel's the expert.

We also have maintained reserves, a contingency of $10,000 and an unassigned fund balance of $75,000 in this new budget. The county's strong financial position allows us to meet current needs while planning responsibly for the future, particularly in light of large capital projects. Please also remember that the budget includes $14 million, the town grant disbursement for fiscal year 2026-27 expenditures, which April and her team are working with and handle for the town. I can't overemphasize how much these guys daily work has changed in the last 12 months and how they're handling it really well. And it seems to be going well, but just in closing, the proposed budget reflects a balanced approach. We're maintaining stable tax rates, investing in critical infrastructure, supporting employees and public safety, strengthening education and community assets, and preserving fiscal integrity during major capital projects. We're looking forward to working with you all to see if we can reach an agreement. And moving forward, please remember that, you know, and certainly this is, well, you know, this is what your rights as county commissioners that we've, as far as we can figure, we've cut you know, you can always, there's always possibility you can cut more, but we think we've kind of cut to the bone where we reached a point where we needed to take some money from the fund balance in order to balance the budget. So whatever, you know, like some various groups are going to reach out to you probably individually and ask for more in their areas. And just remember, we have to take that from the other areas, whatever additional money want us to put back or to add we got to take it from the other groups and they're going to feel it just bear that in mind in this particular fiscal year because mainly because of the school the school loan and our need to make sure that the fund balance stays where it's at now so we're not taking any fund balance money from within what you've done here right we are we are yep so how much

350 000 is what's projected as fund balance appropriations and the hope is that some of the grants that rahel has in process and that she is still seeking will supplement that is i know doing this budget i know we've got these

are some of our monies and areas for a possibility of some returns, you know, like the the funds that you did. So we're we're of course, we can't put that in like, OK, we're expecting this kind of return. So this is not considered in what we're trying to do the year we're just if we get extras then we have extras correct but there is a projection of interest interest in this room but interest is is a sure thing or more of a sure thing yeah we that is incorporated in this budget okay well if i may um speaking about the budget as a whole i know that you we have went through and because we went back and forth and back and forth and we've got and i'm sure there's some folks in here not going to be 100 happy but again we knew what we had to work with we've done about everything we can do and i think going back to the fund balance because i said i don't want to see that fund balance rated anymore but I don't know what else, I mean, we've done everything we can do because we went through everything line by line. Even the things that you've recommended here, you know, it's, it's might've been trimmed a little bit more just to make it that last a hundred thousand or a hundred and the last 900,000, what it was. So, So I, it's, it's legit. So we got what we got, you know, and it's like you said, if you start moving stuff around, then you're going to have to start taking away again.

And there's, you know, the revenue is conservative estimates. So there is the potential that we will have a little bit of additional vehicle tax coming in, ad valorem tax, hopefully sales tax. um but we feel very comfortable with where we landed with all of this over over the years of your

estimates and best guesstimates have been pretty accurate as to what comes in and what doesn't come in over the past six years yes so i mean this follows the same suit it does it follows the same process that we have been doing the past five years yes and some some of these i'll just go back to the very first one for

2022 ad valorem we're going to be less 2600 dollars good one so what you have in front of you the first uh column there for that well it's actually the third column that you're looking at anticipated fiscal year 26-27 is what our best guess anticipated proposal is the next column in green is actually what was adopted and if it's been amended for the current year the third column is the difference between the two now if you look at 2022 ad valorem tax we estimated 2600 this year we're not estimating anything for next year so that's why you see a difference there and if you go down to the 2025 you'll see there's an additional 130,000 that Reid is predicting to come in but this current year we predicted 11,100,000 so there's going to be a big difference in that line just because we're moving on to the next year of taxes 2026 so that's your columns and that's what you're looking at so anytime you see a negative that represents that represents we're proposing less in that line. When you see a positive in that pink, kind of pink purplish line, we're anticipating more.

Okay.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Rita, is there anything that you would like to tell them about the future pictometry projects?

So that is something that, like a revaluation, we would like to be budgeting for. So this actually just finished up yesterday, the project from this year, which generated almost an additional $500 and some thousand dollars. So it is worth what it costs. Wow. Wow, that's great. Yeah, she had 800 property changes. Now, some people are taking things off. Things have been torn down and people are

and just to clarify it would be 30 000 a year for the pictometry project is that going to be last contract based on the last contract and that the 30 000 is what we have incorporated this year any other questions comments hey uh yeah i had if you go down and look at the veterans administration about a third of the way down there's like a negative eighteen thousand two eighty nine correct that was a one-time grant that was received at the end of last fiscal year rolling over into this year and it'll just be the twenty one hundred that you see in the veterans admin if you look on the on the screen I'm can highlight it right there we get that routinely at the 2100 but the other one was just a one-time grant allocation so that's why you're seeing the negative because of the grant yes okay yeah and the highlights in red that was something I did for me but I decided just to leave it that is actually revenue that we've lost in the past year we did have a sro agreement with wilts community college that's the one you can see right there on the screen that's the first one so we were getting a portion of an sro to go patrol the community college that we no longer have that in place wilts community college provides their own law enforcement or security officer The lines in blue, there is a matching line on the expenditure side is what that is for. So like law enforcement donations restricted, there's actually a line on the expenditure side for $10,747 so they can spend those donations that came in. the the cable franchise is zeros all the way across correct that is all incorporated in the peg funds that come from north carolina department of revenue and there is a there's an actual line for the peg funds oh i'm sorry 84,000 on the expense side you'll see about 82 to 83 actually going back out for the Allegheny Community Television and the public education channels is what that's for not have asked this during our budget do we have any loans that's finishing this in 26 27. um yes we have the library loan and i believe we are 10 000 left on it my book is in there but i'm doing that in my memory but yeah library loan at least sure there's ten thousand there's ten thousand there will be ten thousand left on it you all want

mr chairman what we figured was this is like us introducing you to what we've done and explaining the process that we've gone through figuring that they'll they'll probably need to be a second session where you've had a chance to absorb what you've got and you can say i got a question a lot of questions about this one or we need to bring in such and such person to say what

so i mean it's up to you all obviously but that was what we foresee as the path forward okay and just to confirm below ten thousand two hundred seventeen dollars july one on the library loan and then that will be off of our books that comes off next year this year it comes off the one that you see in front okay everybody good with revenue side so we're taking in less than we did last year there is actually a forty six hundred between forty five and forty six hundred difference in the proposed budget from last

What is cultural resource?

That is actually a register of deeds. And most of it is a pass-through.

Rather big number, isn't it?

on the on the landfill is everybody up to date on paying their their share especially the commercial end um i know we have one behind on the commercial end and i know that david and i expressed to the front line folks over there that to please remind them that they need to get called up by july 1. how far in the rear are they I don't have that in front of me, but it's several thousand dollars that they are counting. It's less than 10,000, but I don't, I don't know exactly what that number is.

And we're still letting them use the transfer station.

Well, there's a limit to each account. So what, what is happening? And this kind of generally happens every now and then if, if my limit is 5,000 and I've got another load to take in for some reason, and I have 6,000 on my account. I will go ahead and pay there at the transfer facility and give them a thousand dollars or 1500 to open my account up again. So I can dump that load. Now that generally happens. We do have one particular commercial vendor that that happens a lot.

Is there a penalty or anything?

there's currently not any type of penalty and i'm not sure i would have to have heather's help to actually look into if we can do a penalty on the solid waste i'm not sure that we can we charge a late fee industry we do not i mean is it something we can do or i am not sure about that i know we've had that question before and we had some internal conversations but it never went anywhere other than an internal conversation well i mean it's really it's not fair to everybody else who pays their bill and then someone who's continuously late with no penalty added on yeah and there's there's really no way to collect it with a commercial vendor you know residential there's a way to collect it because it ends up going to rita in her office and it will actually go on their property taxes if they continually do not pay that fee but with a commercial vendor it is a little different well it's something we may want to look at instead of letting somebody

you know continuously abuse the process you can't take it on to his personal tax account it's a different type of solid waste fee so we don't have that ability right now anybody else have any questions comments

so i will point out the bottom number there with all of the separate funds you know in each separate fund we we've tried to summarize just a little bit um we do have a total of 68 million eight hundred and fifty five thousand seven hundred and seventy two dollars proposed that the county will be handling next year do we have a a guesstimate at a number of what we've already paid out to do the school stuff bill just signed a request yeah i know there was a five million on that last one yeah we're gonna be requesting 5.8 million um the total right now is 24.2 million

What's that last number again?

Right there. $68,855,700.

Okay. So you think about these guys have been handling between 20 and 25 million for years. Is that accurate to say? And all of a sudden it's 68 million.

did we know if there's any time limits on that town of sparta monies that has to be spent out by a certain time is that a different kind of grant or funds it's osbm and i do think there's an end date on it but i would have to look i don't know that off the top of my head but they have started the project did we figure out how many years is left on the

Screetscape that we're paying for?

Yes, I believe there's three.

Three years, I think.

I do have that in my big binder down here, but my binder is coming apart at this moment.

okay face no more questions we'll move on is this it or move on the expenditures whatever the board would like expenditures when the expenditures if we've done the revenue

so each department what we did was just kind of summarize these departments a lot of them are a lot larger than what you see but a lot of them have zeros in the lines so we just summarized each one but all the lines that do have money included in them you're seeing so just to clarify that with everybody And it's the same process that you saw on the revenue side. You have your proposed expenditures in that line C. In the next line D, you'll see what was approved for this current fiscal year. But if there's been any amendments done, that is also included. And then you'll see the difference in the blue line there in E. So the first group is governed in bodies, and it's actually about $2,800 less than it was for the current year.

Okay, Bob. On fees paid to elected officials, how much was the increase in the last budget? We went up quite a bit.

each commissioner is receiving 9 000 now and the chair receives 10 600 is what so the total increase was around 30 000 for the board members no it was not that much now i don't i don't know that off the top of my head but that's what each commissioner is getting now and the chair's getting ten thousand six hundred so it's over twenty thousand and less than thirty you're talking about the combined board ain't you bobby combined combined yes yeah let's make that clear and then this year they're getting another sixteen hundred No. Now I'll clarify that. We had an estimate in last year's budget of what that was going to look like. So when we actually, after the budget was approved and the pay changed just a little bit, it wasn't, we used to have a basic stipend per month and then we had a per meeting stipend so all of that was changed with conversations with the county manager i just wanted to simplify it yeah so it was just it's just divided by 12 now and all the commissioners get a check twice a month i believe that that raise was voted it was a three to two vote that time before

when they got that big increase. I still don't approve of that increase. I would recommend it go back to the way that it used to be.

You ain't going to have to worry about that for December.

Excuse me. I've got the floor, I believe, Mr. Chairman.

Go right ahead.

I believe that that increase was in excess for what this county can afford. and like i said i believe the vote was three to two to not accept that budget that last time with that large increase my recommendation would be go back the way that it used to be i don't believe anybody on the board should be running to make money off the county taxpayers they run because they want to do the county a better job and keep it going That's all I got.

Okay.

Anybody else got any comments? Bobby ain't going to have to worry about that after December.

All right. Moving on down.

Go ahead.

so in administration the biggest change in the administrators in administration budget which is the county manager's budget is that floating position that we have that's actually a temporary position right now we have somebody out at the kitchen a full-time person out of the kitchen that has a serious health condition of course we have the current clerk and executive assistant to the county manager out with a serious health condition so the ability to put someone that was working part-time on full-time presented itself i believe back in april is that correct and we have that person working in three different departments and it's it's helping with the the health conditions of a couple of our full-time employees.

Okay. And a quick, just a quick update. We're going to find out today that there's going to be a delay in the time that my executive assistant will be coming back.

Recovery is a little bit longer. Is the guy with the kitchen out there, he's the one out sick?

No. No. Okay. And the person we're talking, the floater person is McKenzie.

all of you know yeah so she's your deputy clerk she's helping in the county manager's office she has been helping part-time in recreation which will continue and she's now trained in the kitchen and she's also she's a temporary executive assistant

one back up to the paid county officials let the commissioners we look at we we did that because we were the lowest paid in the state yeah it was what happened is the data from the um the school of government showed that um a county of our size that we were in the bottom 10 percent of pay and it hadn't been changed for like for years and so what we did was try to get you into the bottom quarter, move you from the bottom 10% to the bottom quarter, 25%. And that was the number that we came up with. That's where that number came from.

Right, right.

And, you know, that's where that number came from. Okay. Bob?

And that conversation was brought to your attention by one of the sitting commissioners. Yes. That commissioner was pushing you for the raise or suggesting that we have a raise.

He suggested that I take a look at it and see what I thought.

And then what the school government based it on was population?

What I based it on was looking at counties that were of similar size to ours.

Similar size as to how? Population. Okay, but not to tax base.

Not to tax base, on population.

So, I mean, we've only got really two factories. Our tax base is very low. Our pay should be very low. We don't, everything is not based on population. Our income comes from our tax base, ad valorem and factories, isn't it? you know, people that contribute.

Good bit of sales tax too, though.

Yeah.

But in that grouping, I can't remember the exact number, but around half of those counties had a higher tax base and about half had lower tax base than we had. We're not the lowest of all the counties. So we fit nicely into that grouping in multiple categories. I wanted to make sure we didn't have counties in there that were but may have a small population, but had a tremendously high tax base, you know, like a coastal county or something. And so we didn't have those counties in the mix, but I felt comfortable that what I was suggesting, what I'd been asked to suggest was accurate.

A lot of counties were paying a lot more. A lot of counties pay a lot more than what this county pays.

The counties all around us will pay more, but they have bigger populations and probably bigger tax bases around us.

I still just think it's out of proportion to what it should be.

Well, you can donate yours if we're overpaying you. Make a donation to somebody.

I make my donations to the church and the educational foundations.

i don't know who else does but i do right i'd say most of us donate to the churches and stuff okay okay anybody got any more questions comments here yeah anything about administration

so finance and hr is next and hr is still incorporated in the finance budget so the difference you're seeing here is increase in drug and alcohol drug alcohol and background checks because there's a new fingerprint law that went into that became law that we have to abide by an increase in the professional services up top with the audit because all the money that we are handling there was an increase in the audits and the reports that we need to do and the general the four percent for the four finance positions and HR any questions comments

I have a question. Okay.

Okay.

Go ahead.

The IT budget is next. One of the bigger things in the IT budget is internet phone and security expenses. Ideacom does continue to increase on us, and when we have issues, Chris has expressed that things have to be added or you know it it has just creeped up on us we also had to put some fraud and anti-virus measures some stronger measures into place we have had instances of fishing and fraud so that is the two big differences in chris's budget And that does include that email line toward the bottom, office and email 365. That had to be increased for protection, email protection.

Do we know how much that total bill has increased over the last few years?

I don't have that in front of me, but Chris could probably tell us.

I've got a question, Bill. Okay. When's their contract up on the internet service?

It is next February. this coming February so we can look for other ways to go yeah we we have on our calendars for an RFP to go out stars on your calendar we have on our calendars things to do good deal okay board of education Okay. It's elections. Elections, good. It's elections. And the biggest difference in this budget is your capital purchase down toward the bottom. There are voting machines that are going to have to be replaced. I'm doing this off the top of my head, but I believe they're at least 10 years old. Does that sound correct? so this is actually a placeholder it's actually going to cost between 60 and 70 000 to replace those but we went ahead and put close to half the cost in there as a placeholder for the next year that's basically going to be our savings account to help replace those voting machines that are going to have to be replaced is that state mandated i believe it is state mandated the way that works they mandate don't send no money Yeah.

That's the way that works. Anybody got questions?

But that is the biggest difference in that budget for elections.

Moving on over to recreations.

Okay. Recreation, if you just look at the bottom number, it looks like it has reduced a lot. And that is basically in one line there at the bottom. We had 250,000. plugged in that line for the current fiscal year for the potential of ball fields hopefully doing some kind of coordinated plan with the school system we had lots of discussions about the ball fields and since there is a grant that's actually submitted and a plan to do something at vet park right now with t-ball and coaches pitch that should take some of those scheduled ball games off of the fields at the school so our discussion internally with the budget committee was let's focus on that for this year and see where the plan goes for the ball fields near the school we need grant money for that yeah yeah and we think it's out there we just have to see how it plays out sorry

on the salaries for recreation how many full-time employees is that a hundred and what six thousand one hundred and seven thousand that's two two full-time employees correct and that's with the four percent incorporated for the cost of living increase any more questions

will add that the part-time administrative person which has been mckenzie is actually incorporated in the county managers okay okay okay moving on over economic development so this small section incorporates the streetscape project with the town and i do believe it's two to three years left on that for the for the county portion of that the general economic development expense that is actually the request that mr shepley was talking earlier and david was talking about the long-term recovery group so i just highlighted that that that portion of what they need with that group is going to be incorporated with that position that will be shared between daniel and emergency management uh daniel with emergency management and then david with public works okay when streetscape project end um you're talking about our portion i believe it's two to three years how many two to three years yeah we do have that's good enough we do have a few more years left bobby any questions comments the marketing strategy is actually wayfinding signage and that project is going to get off the ground hopefully in the next couple of months the request was 40 but we did cut it in half to see if that's going to progress or that's the discussion that we have with the budget committee when that's when we start seeing that about july around that yeah yeah no comments questions okay moving on down tax administration a couple of changes with this budget rita requested that we go ahead and incorporate the tag office we actually had that separate for many years because commissioners wanted to see how much it was costing the county not costing the county anything it's got to the point of a break even with the tag office. So we incorporated the tag office and register request for a temporary employee. It would be a temporary position for succession planning for some retirements in the tax administration. Also, the revaluation escrow account transfer at the very bottom, that is to finish up the revalve for next year and the $30,000 additional for the pictometry project. That would be a transfer out of the general fund to that separate fund.

Okay. Any questions? All right. Moving on over to mapping.

biggest change in mapping we have is the four percent increase for the employee and with the there's been a decrease in the equipment the equipment line and maintenance contracts there was a decrease that's an office that has multiple things they can do in there it's amazing and she's very involved with dispatch with the CAD system I believe is that correct I guess yeah the CAD system any questions moving on down register of deeds okay not a lot of changes register of deeds I have four percent cost of living incorporated and just a little bit of a decrease in a couple of lines that's not a lot on over kitchen and meals okay this is the detention center meals our kitchen that's located out the by building the difference in this budget is adding another part-time person to help with with staffing yeah we have since the kitchen was implemented we've had two full-time and one part-time we would like to add in part-time in the mix in there

Any questions? All right. Moving on down to public buildings.

So public buildings actually has a decrease of 68,000. But I will say that we are currently hunting for utility expense in the current budget because those costs have increased.

Any questions? Moving on over to the Sheriff's Department.

The Sheriff's Department overall has decreased about 49,000. There was a request for two full-time vehicles and two part-time vehicles, and we did take one of the, excuse me, two new vehicles and two used vehicles. I'm on employees. so we did reduce it by one new vehicle and that's basically the difference there with the 50 000. the one thing that did need to be added in this budget was a separation allowance for the sheriff retiring so that is one thing that we did incorporate in here okay that is a little different from the current budget any questions moving on down to dispatch dispatch is a little bit of a decrease and that comes in to play in part-time and overtime part-time salary specifically okay moving on down to Roaring Gap deputies Roaring Gap deputies we actually only have one deputy now that's employed out there and it's just basically the four percent incorporated in here with cost of living and most of this budget if not all of it I don't have it right in front of me is reimbursed by Roaring Gap they're doing their own correct it's a hundred percent reimbursement correct yeah it is any questions moving on down animal control animal control we took a little bit out of continuing education because i think everybody was up to date on certifications and things that were needed and equipment we haven't had to buy any equipment lately any questions moving on down to the maintenance of the court related facility and it has not changed from this current year this is things that we have to provide for the clerk's office in the courthouse any questions moving on over to the jail the biggest increase in the jail and i'm going by memory here is the hospital expense for the inmates so if you look about midway down ten five twenty two thousand and i actually have it on the screen there's a seventy five thousand dollar increase there for inmate hospital experience now some of that they did receive an opioid grant from the health department so some of that may be taken care of with that okay any questions moving on over emergency management uh emergency management the only thing the only difference in that is still the other full-time salary that hasn't been put on staff yet there was still some ongoing conversations but that is the shared position that mr shepley talked about in his introduction between public works emergency management dispatch and the long-term recovery group okay any questions so so that's two people's salary on that okay yeah that's two people two people salary with four percent increase just on Daniels because the other one wouldn't qualify and then two people hospital expense all the benefits that go with that any other questions moving on the building inspector the biggest difference in the building inspection budget is we did purchase a new truck for building inspections this year so there's a thirty six thousand dollar reduction and that is the main reason why under building inspector what board is that planning board planning board now that comes under the building inspector okay it's actually building inspections and planning it was all incorporated together several years ago okay he said to go on to the next one okay so this health department is actually the internal health department things that the county has to take care of one being the medical examiner expense and the other being the utilities for the actual health department we did increase the utilities just a little bit because they do have a bigger building now and we are running short on utility monies for the year

Who is a medical examiner? Brandon Reeves. He used to work the animal service? Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Okay. And then EMS is next. So everything that was presented to the board a couple months ago with the shift change, the schedule change, the overtime change, all that has been incorporated. and like Mr. Sheffley said in the introduction there's no cost of living increase in this portion of the budget because everything was incorporated when that changed I believe it was May 1st or around May 1st April 1st sorry are we seeing any fruits of that change like yes sir as far as interest in EMS if if things go well tomorrow we'll be back full staff

That was a big turnaround in the short time.

Yeah. We got any new vehicles in this contract here?

no um simply because we're um searching a grant opportunity for a new ambulance the one broke down one's supposed to be an ambulance well they have finally gotten the points so they're working on it now hopefully next week it'll be completed pretty expensive repair i don't know for sure yet it was a blown head gasket and they had to do a lot to it so it's going to be it was labor intensive so i i would say yes that's one that they deleted right that's one of them yes any other questions any questions moving on down cooperative extension

the biggest increase with cooperative extension is salaries and that would be i believe it was a four or five percent increase that the state is actually proposing with that i believe it's four i'm working for memories over here soil and water a soil and water budget is actually reduced to soil bit any questions moving on down veterans office as you can tell the numbers are starting to run what was our biggest increase salaries that's the four percent hospital insurance retirement everything that goes with that okay education programs he's got five hundred dollars more and travel he's got five hundred dollars because he does have a new assistant she's got the right smarter training she's gonna pick up on okay sorry about that no problem any other questions veterans office so the veterans office is actually reduced and the main reason that budget has reduced was the addition of that grant money that we received last year and if you look down almost to the bottom to the 10 607 4400 expenses for north carolina dmva grant you'll see that negative 18 000 in there so that that is the biggest difference in that plus the current VSO his he doesn't want any increase in his salary speaking of him is he back on the job he's back good we got him taking it easy but okay he's a hard person to tie down okay moving on over transportation administration transportation administration it's actually reduced about $4,800 and that's going to be the changeover and one of the full-time staff there going back to a new higher league any questions social services Social services, it did increase. If you go to the bottom, it's $89,636. Part of that is one vehicle. We have incorporated $25,000 in there for one vehicle. She actually had requested two, but found the means this year and something on the state contract that would fit their needs. So she's completing that now. And then we incorporated the move in here and the four percent increase in the salaries any questions no questions okay moving on over public assistance okay that is part of social services and i depend on stacy with public assistance the adoption assistance right below it and the chores all that is incorporated It's basically pass-through funds and what the public needs.

Okay. Moving on over to county insurance.

Okay. County insurance, there's a little bit of an increase. We did have an increase in our Medicare rates for our retirees. If the board will remember about mid-year, we came to the board and did a budget amendment with that. And we did have a small increase in our medical insurance for full-time. That's been incorporated. for our retirees for our pre 65 retirees it's incorporated in this section and the 22,500 that is actually the cost for the two chamber employees that will be coming back in to us from the chamber so we had to budget that expense but we have the revenue coming back in on the revenue side will will be reimbursed for that 22,500 you any questions no question moving on down the debt load and there's your debt for next year um the biggest thing we have is school facilities and there's the library loan the ten thousand two hundred and eighteen dollars we'll have that paid off in just a couple months into this budget that's always good when you get rid of a few yes any questions we went on down the school the school uh 75 000 more and that was uh to continue the paxton patterson labs that's to help with bus driver and mechanic salaries that was in the request and to continue helping with the assistant principal at sparta elementary school the 600 000 that is actually a budget to pass through part of the sales tax that comes in goes to the capital outlay for the school system so we have to budget that expense to be able to transfer that to that capital outlay fund that's separate any questions about school moving on down special appropriations okay so we have all most of our special preparations are incorporated in this um you can see the library we we have flat funded most of these in this section so i've i'll let somebody else talk for a minute if that's okay or if you have any questions about this section question about appalachian health stays the same as last year it that one's still in in discussion what

we know what the other two counties are proposing yet every we're kind of in a bit of a holding pattern right this second but you know we want to get it wrapped up in the next couple weeks for sure but there's a there's just ongoing discussions so i mean this before we approve our final budget this could change a little bit yeah sure could that's a

Okay. Rescue squad, looks like we cut them. I thought it was 140 on them. What am I missing here?

We cut them. Remember in our discussion, we cut back to one. Yeah, I remember.

It's got 25, 26. Budget is 158. I thought it was 140. Okay.

no it's 140 that was a pass through of thema funds that we had to receive and pay back out but the last discussion that the the budget committee had we landed at 115 on the uh rescue squad i thought that that was going to be at 90 000.

was the original proposal and it's grown to 115 we went to 140 and it's come back this year to a proposed 115 what was the justification for 115 versus 90 it was part of a discussion between

bill timmy april rita and myself and we had a variety of different opinions and that was the the number that the group felt comfortable with it wasn't 140. well do we know what they're going to use the 115 for or does it just go into the slush funds they're going to operate i've got a i've got a request that i want to share with everybody right here

go ahead and get your answer your question okay i just wonder how many are they still doing paid employees yes how many i'm not sure i think they have uh i think there's four maybe how many four i think i think full time or part time part time part time that's just daytime right yes just daytime

so i mean can we get that breakdown with who gets paid what sure yeah we can get that breakdown and um yeah i i just thought they were a volunteer organization well

what some people may not know or understand is they're in they have increased their standbys and the amount of transports they've done probably by 40 percent from last year EMS has been quite busy and our call volume has increased one of the days last week we had four calls in nine minutes So the rescue squad took care of one of the critical calls and Cherry Lane Fire Department, their ambulance just has been licensed just a few days before and we was able to utilize them for a basic call. So the routine call for them and had three ambulances running, two from EMS and one from the squad running on critical calls. So it's a necessity for EMS to have that backup system in place.

everybody is is is the calls are just so much greater than they they was a few years ago i mean really it's uh yeah are they gonna be included in an audit in the future by the county yes yeah uh they just like the fire departments correct yeah yeah just let's get this just like the fire department yeah i was just curious as to how many paid people because i i thought they were just volunteers

i thought the fire department was too but we're furnishing my house to live in that's all okay i hate to see the rescue squad get cut and i understand the reason why but david just made a good speech right there is the number of volume of calls that they are needed and they're the only ones in this county that'll that could get you that has the ability to get you out of a wreck if you're pinned in and I remember last year they come to us and need more money. There's buying a truck and that money increase was going to be used to pay for that truck. And I just, it's just like somebody cutting your wages. I mean, you know, you come out to work and we're going to cut you $20,000 or whatever, you know, but they got the ability to help out and make some money back. I'm sure. But I do like to see it, see them take a cut like that. when they're serving the county and the people of this county and backing up our ambulance service also. But I mean, it is what it is. Let me tell you my request or their request. Hang on just one second. What they're wanting to do, Jason sent me a message and they're wanting to get, they don't have the money to make their payment in August if this cut and stuff is coming into effect. But anyway, they're wanting one lump sum payment. in august to be able to pay their bills in august is what the request is instead of of doing everybody's on a monthly right yeah 12 months installed so that was the request and we don't decide to have to decide the day but that was requested they were asking if if they stay with this number here if we if the county could do that is that a budgeting thing is it uh is it hard to do that

it's not hard to do that we just have it set up where it's a little bit more level with expenses going out um i think it'd be a good if we could stick to the 115 that would be a compromise to some degree if we can make it happen yeah i think it's not true

mean i don't know how hard it is but if we can stick to the 115 it would it will not mess up the jumbo up no we can make that happen is that what they're saying bill that if it's at 115 can they get it at one point they're wanting the total sum in august because they got a they're wanting the one thing he said whatever we settled on they like to have it in august so yes

They'd like to have the 140. He says we could make the 150 happen.

Okay. A lot of times, the rescue squad is the first one. I mean, I ain't saying nothing about the ambulance service. They get there right before the ambulance gets there. Okay. Dr. David Kessler.

Okay. Any other questions about the rescue squad or any of this other down through here? Wilkes Community College JCPC Wellness Center Senior Services Allegheny Group Homes this is that state money for the TV right faithful that's the payment 75 250 bucks historical society and partnership for children about all that stayed the same

nobody have any questions comments okay moving on down to contingency will you want to cover that yeah there's always things that pop up during the year that that we didn't you know that surprise us that we need a little bit of money for and so this has always been a critical fund for us to be able to tap into. We typically use almost all of it during the course of the year. We're not looking for things to spend it on, but things pop up and, you know, a repair of a door that all of a sudden breaks down, you know, that we have to do some work on that might cost us $10,000 to repair. So it's critical. You know, we want to make sure we plan for everything. and i think here we can we can plan on there's going to be probably about close to a hundred thousand dollars worth of unexpected things that happen these are not things that we spend money on we don't look at it and say okay we've got money in that that area so let's spend it it's not that kind of thing it's kind of like responding to unexpected circumstances that arise how's it worked out this year what you had budgeted what you've used

is about 75,000 maybe there is a little over 55 left in that fund there was out of 100 yeah so we spent 45 20 of it was actually our workers comp filed it that I brought to the board not too long ago so 20,000 of it was actually there any questions moving on over the fire tax fund no changes in the fire rate so it stays the same I got a question how we coming on the audit on that our auditors were here week before last and they have not received anything from goku so is there a deadline on it we're going to have a report back in July I did follow up with the new board chair but I haven't heard anything back there's a lot of people asking about it I just want to know

i think we need to be thinking about the step forward yeah nothing takes place july july or whatever in the future in the future meeting okay okay moving on down to pool fun

yeah and I'll just point out the fines and forks that's just passed through for the school system so that actually comes to us and we just it goes right back out to the school system we do have three hundred seventy five thousand four hundred dollars left in skiff pool funds and we have till 29 to expend those to 28 29 I know that bill

and i think timmy are going to raleigh next couple weeks yeah i don't know if it would be productive if you were to talk to our representatives about this uh the pool fund that money's just sitting there if it could be transferred to something else i know it would take a legislative approval to do that but it's been there for four or five years we've already asked and was told no once yeah so so i mean you know the state's got it set aside yeah and it's a specific it's restricted yeah but the legislature could change that restriction that legislature gave uh senator ballard 400 000 and we've spent 25 or almost 25 on something planning but I mean it's there not being used and we could certainly use it on the bowl fields it would be glad to ask okay tourism and development so that's the TDA budget and it was presented to the TDA so they have approved that

any questions moving on transportation operation so this is Allegheny emotions operating it's a small enterprise fund basically just like the transfer facility but it is a separate fund and this is the one that Bill referenced in his opening remarks that we are eliminating one full-time position there okay any questions there

okay moving on down outdoor recreation fund and that is more commonly called the beamer money ninety eight thousand three three hundred and sixty four dollars left any questions moving on down the fire grounds i i just look at the total it doesn't look to be very much to keep the fairgrounds going and repair what needed I don't know David do you agree with this number on what needs to be done yeah I think that'll be for right now I think that's good painting and working on the black building we do need to do some work on the black building and what about removing those

door the big overhead doors we're gonna work on that too yeah we're gonna work on that is that included in this that's part of that yeah but that fund is also capped at a certain amount too because there's a fund balance and this year's fund balance is nineteen thousand and seventy eight dollars so that's anticipated revenues that we think will come in plus that fund balance

i mean the fairgrounds are just about our biggest income other than taxes for the county and i just it just looks like an awful small amount to keep the fairgrounds in good shape that doesn't include the mowing does it because we set that out separately i'm not sure where recreation incorporated the mowing contract

I believe it's in the recreation recreation I believe do you know I think it's I think it's correct that's a very conservative number just sitting here thinking eight thousand dollars ain't gonna buy too much gravel no not nowadays I don't know what all your supplies is I assume bathrooms all that stuff is just a thousand

That would be cleaning supplies.

For one group, I think that's something we need to go back and look at is fairgrounds. I think Tim and I are still on the committee for building structures. I think it might be worth our time and David's and maybe Bill Shipley to go look at it. at the fairgrounds and just have a walk through like bill said 8 000 in gravels i don't even know if that's what a seven truck lose or maybe but anyway we can visit back with that and do some transferring across i guess but that's a very conservative number

Well, if you did any transfers, it's going to come from the general fund.

I think it's a good idea what Bobby said for you guys and Bill to go out there and just kind of survey David, you know, and get a general idea of what it's going to cost. I hope the state's going to take their long-armed bush hog out there and go up and down that creek some. they said they would anyway i talked to jason a little bit about don't know exactly when but while it's fresh on our mind those shrubberies that were planted out there across the creek was that moved they still there soil and water done some most of them didn't cut down high i'd have to look and see but i don't think they're there now i don't believe you're already sitting here thinking about it some of them a lot of them died out didn't they i think so yeah i think some of the lawnmowers got some problems

okay moving on down osbm lean funds so that is some of the new grant funding that we received back in november for the transfer facility that has to be accounted for in a separate fund and that is an estimate of what we'll have left of that 1.5 million so that number may change when the actual ordinance comes back to the board that number may change okay any questions moving on down the courthouse project we do have 256 estimated left in the courthouse project and we did have a conversation with the state about this and they said find something else to improve so david is looking at the courthouse now and we've looked at the ceiling and doing a couple other things so it has to be used at the courthouse that we've got to use it yes and i don't remember off the top of my head we've got a couple of years off the top of my head i want to say it's 28 because we did do an extension on that grant any questions moving on down the opioid settlement expense that's the estimate of what will expand out next year with the couple of programs that the health department has improved and mainly the two programs is the EMS and the detention center program with expanding nursing hours and the detention center any questions no moving on over expenditure agency drugs That is a separate fund for law enforcement to use. And that's basically the fund balance that's going to be worked in there to use.

Any questions? Moving on down expenditure.

ENH fund whatever it is that is enhancement funds and this one's connected to the register of deeds and it there's a general statute that governs it has to be used for technology needs and things in the register of deeds and that is basically going to be the balance okay moving on down town of sparta tax distribution fund this is the estimated vehicle tax and any um remaining property tax that we owe to town of sparta okay any questions moving on down expenditure revaluation so that is what we're estimating to finish up the reval contract and the pictometry contract 145 any questions

Moving on down to expense school capital projects.

So this is an estimate of the school capital outlay funds that actually come in with the sales tax. And the bond expense is how much we're going to use to help pay the loan amount, which is what we do in current fiscal year.

Any questions? Moving on over, transfer facility.

um we do have a reduction in the transfer facility at the moment but disposal we did increase the disposal 160 000 but we do think we're going to be coming to the board with an increase in that for the current year also so the 98 dollars a year we paying now that's going to go up yes that's what we're going to propose yes what kind of price right here are we looking ten dollars is what the proposed amount going up on the residential fee and the commercial per ton fee and we do have a fee schedule it's that's next in your your binders the fee schedule and that is one of the proposed fees so it's ten dollar increase 108 yes yeah so how much is commercial going out ten dollars 10 going up ten dollars a ton yeah it's currently 75 and it would go to 85 per ton now the decrease in this budget is actually going to be that facility improvement line which is the one and a half million that the board allocated to go toward this project that's where much of that decreases coming from in that budget because we have spent a little bit of that money with the addition of the grants we've been expensing some equipment and gravel and things that were needed at the facility out of that everything that's been put on the grant we're taking it off the grant first and saving that allocation that was actually transferred to help okay bobby on the uh the fuel expenses

we've got 24,000 I don't know what what your basin per gallon price on I don't know how many gallons they use a year it's been costing us about thirteen fourteen hundred dollars a month for the fuel the off-road fuel

it's been costing about that much per month for the on-road fuel to be able to haul our recyclables and our metal and those the tires and those type things so the other the other expense from fuel is a minimal thing which is gas for the lawnmower and gas for the truck so it's it's that's a minimal thing but the two biggest users is the equipment and the roll-off truck well I you know everybody knows fuel costs Yeah.

Nobody knows when they're going to come down.

Right, right. And we have a contracted price for the off-road fuel.

Doesn't that have a boost in it when there's a different?

No, it's a set price. So when it comes, it's a year by year. So I'm sure it'll have a boost in it this next time.

It's not like we have with the people who take the trash.

No.

where they can up the cost a little bit for fuel no theirs is like three percent and that no it's not like that where we're standing today just working out the store before this hike took a place use it about three dollars a gallon yeah that was for store costs throughout there well you're about five now so you got a two dollar gallon yeah if you know your gallons it's

it's getting getting out of hand yeah and i keep a close eye on that yeah i'm sure i'm sure any other questions no moving on over custodial fund and this is registered these all of this funding has to be kept in a separate fund and the estimates do come from our registered any questions moving on down grant fund town of sparta and that is the pass through with the grant we're holding those funds so um that just sits there until the town of sparta needs it okay any questions there moving on down the high school project expense and again that's just an estimate of what we think we'll we'll need for the high school project for this year any questions moving on down 9-1-1 expense and that is the grant money that comes from the state with public service access point and that supports our dispatch center so just there at the bottom i have noted you do have a balanced budget for grand total funds and then just the general fund expense of 23 million nine hundred and seventeen thousand and sixty two dollars

Questions or comments? Hearing none, we're going into the fees. Anybody need to take a break? Yeah. Okay. Let's take a break. Ten minutes, I guess. Whatever we need.

Thank you.

got me found me some miniature Reese's Cup she's going to get her

was there any proposed changes there is no proposed changes for allegheny in motion

here is the first call um no it's not around that's one way there's one way so it's double correct i mean if they take you pick you up they got to bring you back correct these fees are doubled then we got a big figure at bonnie creek well you're the furthest from allegheny in motion yeah

it's 13 miles for me it's living for me i do know that there is a there's a map and i don't get any emotion and it looks like a target

i just want to be clear that all of these charges are just one-way charges correct so if they take you to salem va hospital they got to bring you back that's a hundred dollars not fifty yeah Salem Virginia yeah okay I think she has everything specific like if you look under elderly and disabled transportation it says out-of-county round trip zero to a hundred miles for two dollars for an elderly or disabled person 60 and older

so that's the way their grant funding works it's defined in their grant funding what's this over 125 miles general public right what's i don't know what that is yes yes yeah it almost lasted over two hours we'll charge it for five bucks per hour

but if we do have questions about it we can have melissa come in and you know either during the one thing that's a good service in this county oh yeah yeah it definitely filled the need in this county absolutely it's a good program any other questions

there's no proposed increase in these fees per the inspection department no increases proposed no increases proposed per the inspection department what about the I go back to the cost of gas and I mean that's almost doubled in the last six months

for public transportation no that's in our budget we get help with service and tires and that kind of stuff but no they do they do okay no further questions moving on over the board will

and there's no proposed changes for the elections either per the director questions well just board of elections they don't take cash you've got to pay by check cash is no longer good cash is not king credit cards are king nowadays okay how again ems

so i'm going to turn this one over to davis because there is some proposed um changes for ems okay so so the first page you see the changes at a 100 150 increase this is medicaid allowable this is what they recommend that we charge and that is the very minimum of what they recommend that we go to it goes all the way up to um 350 percent but for now the changes we've we're recommending the increase for um 150 percent uh if you'll look on the next page you'll see the current fees this is what we're charging now so you can compare those those current fees to the fees that we're proposing the ones that are highlighted on the first page is the only ones that will increase the transport for decedents for the medical examiner's office is unchanged the the decedent transport to the funeral homes is unchanged lift assist treatment, no transport. All those are, are unchanged. Those are, are completely the same. We are looking at the others, the mileage, the changing from 10 to 2120 and, you know, BLS transport to a hundred and 500 and 283. So this is, this is Medicaid allowable, and this is going back to our third party billing company. This is their recommendation to us that we – they actually recommended that we go up 300%. But Justin and I talked about it and felt like that was too much. So the 150% increase is what we're looking at doing.

Let me ask a question here. When we don't do emergency calls after 8 and somebody needs one, what do we do?

Well, it's not that we don't do emergency calls after 8. We do emergency calls after 8. And we do, yes, we will. We will go out of county. And for the out-of-county transports after 8 o'clock, if it meets certain criteria, if you've got a hot appendix and they're going to put you into surgery as soon as we can get you to Baptist Hospital, we're going to come get you and take you down. Okay. okay that meets criteria so with that we'll absolutely come get you and take you down even if it's a routine trip after eight o'clock at night now there is those routine trips that we're not going to and and the reason reason why is that well the example the example that i gave four calls in nine minutes a while ago that doesn't happen all the time but if it happened you know and we had a truck out of town we had another truck on a call and somebody was having a heart attack piney creek we had nobody to cover so then when you got to wait on ash county to come so that that's the reason for that and uh but we will absolutely take people after i just want to add two or three people asked me yeah wait on animals come out of shore or winston or something well and that's on stuff like they're going to a regular room or they're going to and not always is it they're going to an ICU room or a CCU room will they absolutely need a routine I mean a routine transport and it doesn't matter really they're going for a higher level of care but they're not emergent it's not it's not a critical thing so that's that's what we um we look at and the hospitals it's actually the hospital's responsibility yeah it's their responsibility to find transport for the ones that send the hospital so then what we do is and you know last year we took um 264 265 patients from the scene off the mountain We took 167, I believe it was, from the hospital to other facilities. So we're taking twice as many almost to other facilities straight from the scene. So we're not able to come. now we're not able to come because of the level of care that they need and as long as you're stable i'm going to take you to winston if you if you are having a heart attack or a stroke that's that's just has been it depends upon the onset and the time the time is a big factor in some of that stuff so if it's something that just has happened and we can give you the clot busting drug over here at the hospital and then take you on down the road that's what you need to do a lot of people re-perfuse as if it's if it just said the onset just has occurred then that it that helps determine what we do and where we go so with that but we we are we operate and it's a service that we provide for the county but we could make our revenue a little bit better from insurance standpoint it would be interesting to see what the

the call volume today is versus back let's say 2020 just pre-COVID or 2019 I think COVID started we have probably increased about eight to nine hundred calls a year that's a lot yeah what year did we quit doing non-emergency transports we used to do them yeah 2019 2020

proposed fee schedule and the only new one is the concealed carry permit and they have it marked there in the middle name and then the sheriff actually provided some general statute language for some of that what's that precious metal I am not sure all of these fees we just asked the department and I'm not sure about that either it sure is that's his backup documentation with the general statutes of why some of them have to be and limits okay moving on over solid waste so yeah this is the next big one is the solid waste we are proposing going up ten dollars on the solid waste residential fee we are proposing to do the replacement solid waste sticker at ten dollars instead of five dollars and then the construction for the commercial haulers and everyone else going up ten dollars from 75 to 85 per ton the brush and the evergreen disposal would stay the same the mulch for sale would stay the same and hopefully when we get into the recycling program and get some other things we're going to start selling some other recycled things in the mix scrap tire charge will stay the same the animal mortality David suggested going up ten dollars on that one also from 60 to 70 per ton and then the scale availability use we just have folks that want to come weigh their trucks yeah it was five dollars right david and he's proposing to go to ten dollars for that service so the solid waste fee went up ten dollars that's what we're proposing yeah for uh for residential that's that's yeah that's a suggestion for residential and commercial yeah sorry um is there the resolution that um pedro worked on including a budget that explains the solid waste fee what it's for and then

yeah we'll have that as part of the overall budget yeah well the the 98 fee has been in effect for several several years without an increase 2019 yeah yeah long time long time everything's gone up i got a question down here scrap tires you said the paper proper paperwork once that consists of

There is a form that a business can fill out or a farmer can fill out and provide that documentation to us. And we allow them to bring in tires at no charge because we pay the waste disposal fee on the tires. That's why we get four free or five free. So with the proper paperwork, It's the vendor's responsibility to prove that they come from Allegheny County though. So all those have to have to be generated in Allegheny County. so that all of the money that is paid on the disposal fee see when the disposal fee is paid it's paid in from from all the the subcontractors with around that does tires they pay that in um to raleigh and then they disperse it back out to us for the waste disposal fee for tires and then we fill out a grant each year to recuperate some of the excess

so we hardly it we well we don't ever we don't ever break even on the tires i got on this property owners will be responsible for ensuring that last statement could that uh going back to these people that are not paying their fair share or paying their bill on the commercial dumping yeah can that can this apply to that that's a real question it says property owners will be responsible for ensuring that all accumulated delinquent solid waste fees generated their property or after July the 1st 2002 is paid if these fees remain delinquent they may be attached to the property owners tax bill so speaking to commercial that's the way we used to build commercial solid waste through the finance office we don't do that anymore so used to if it

so it couldn't apply to commercial it's a different type of fee for the commercial vendors plus we have a lot of out of county commercial vendors coming in to build homes and demolish things and i mean that happened during the earthquake we had a lot of different vendors coming in and using our transfer facility i don't know that there is a way to do that with a commercial vendor

well like we discussed earlier it's something we need to look at yeah and and and then i just have a question about the wording it says they may be attached to the property that was because that maybe i'll remember the business name the person charging business name had to exactly match the real estate so if it didn't okay i just didn't know if it should say they will be instead of they may be that's all okay any other questions comments if not we'll move on to other information okay and that was all the fees that were submitted from our departments

um the other information i do have the solid waste fees ordinance as a reminder in here rita because rita has been working with heather on the wording of this ordinance and making sure that we have everything in there that we need during the budget process and with the ordinance so that's our reminder the last two pages is actually a copy of the current lease that we have on the daymark building And the budget committee wanted to propose going up to $7.50 per square foot on that lease. How much is that? It is $6.50 per square foot. So that's going up a dollar. I believe that was below the average yeah because Rita had the reval group pull some numbers

we need to talk about public hearing because we need to get that advertised

And if the board wants and budget officer wants to have another work session to answer any questions, I know I have a couple of questions I had on my list.

I don't think we need a work session, I think.

yeah but I don't think we need to have another work session if we could go ahead excuse me go ahead and schedule the public hearing that would be great because in finance we need to get some notifications out especially to the special special appropriations folks telling them what's being recommended so they have a chance to come during the public hearing if they want to address the board with anything so you need two weeks for that

So who are you saying you want to get notes out to?

The special appropriations specifically, like the health department and the library and the rescue squad. That section. We usually send them something telling them what's been proposed.

School?

School, yeah.

So what do you recommend? What do you recommend?

Which week? Could we do it? how about the following week sometime the week of the 8th what day i can't do it you can't do it that way yeah timmy and i will be in raleigh okay what are you talking i'm good any day but tomorrow well i mean i'm good with me we can get the notices out tomorrow we can get everybody emailed tomorrow we need to pass this budget mid-month that would be wonderful the 15th is on a Monday and that's a regular scheduled meeting that's a three o'clock meeting yeah we could do it the 15th well if you did the public hearing you could do it earlier in the day like do it at one o'clock and then have the regular scheduled meeting at three with that got to have two meetings they're saying do it all at one public hearing and then i'll just have public hearing in that week okay because i mean it just gives you a little

there's some group you think you're gonna be able to help a little bit or whatever I mean you mean separate the days yeah yeah two different days that's right so can we think it's too fast to get information out for next week for a hearing we can get it out tomorrow so I would be here the 8th on Monday Bobby said he's good to end over tonight you will be here the 8th I think so let's double check thanks so much yeah

So the 8th?

I'm good with it. The 8th. That's a Monday. Yeah.

What time?

The 8th. On Mondays. What time? It's better later in the day.

It would be better for the public if we at least did it like 5 o'clock, 5.30, whatever. Let's not get off work by 5. Okay. 5.30, 6 o'clock? five thirty six is all right okay i'm available all day that day okay i thought we'd work it so we could get a separate bill bring it real bring it real before kick out okay so june 8th at six o'clock six o'clock and then possible adoption on the 15th

6 o'clock. June the 8th, 6 o'clock.

keep these books those are yours those are yours to keep thank you you're welcome thank you yeah thank you yeah we do give me a motion make motion adjourn second all in