City Council - Regular Meeting

Would you please all join me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the standy for May we have a roll call, please? Councelor McCloud, present. Councelor Smith, here. Councelor McGee, present. Councelor Newton, howdy. Councelor Thompson, here. Councelor Van Drelin, aha. Mayor Johnson, here.

Here. U next item three on your agenda is adoption of consent calendar. Council, would you like to do with this? I move to adopt the consent agenda as written. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Thank you, councel. Next is number four is presentations and ceremonies. First up is presentation by chance recovery, Emma Dean, page 8 through 22 of your packet.

Good evening. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Give me one sec to make sure I've got everything. Give me one sec. There we go.

Thank you. All right. I'm Emma Dean. I'm the executive director for Chance and this is John Phelps who is our shelter director. Um, a little bit about Chance. We have a downtown office that's open Monday through Friday 9 to 5. We provide peer support in our community to anybody that's seeking those services. We serve about 60 to 90 individuals a day in our building. We utilize our downtown building during our business hours as a warming and cooling center for the community as well. During the weekends and evenings, our building is also utilized by local groups for NAA gamblers anonymous or well briiety. We also have education services that are offered. Peer support is staff with lived experience either with mental health, recovery from addiction, or both, allowing them to walk alongside peers to provide support. We'll transport individuals to and from detox anywhere in the state of Oregon, help set up those appointments, medical appointments, or mental health support. Um, we work really hard to like if we're connecting somebody that we serve to a resource either in our community or another community to be on the other side waiting for that person to pick them up and to bring them back to shelter or housing or to other services. Um, we also will connect to just different resources and help peers navigate those resources. We help individuals obtain needed documents. We see a lot of individuals no ID, no birth certificate, no access to insurance. So, we're helping individuals get those things. Our team also helps with employment support and um assist peers in finding housing opportunities and filling out housing applications. Services at our Albany office include

showers, laundry, meals. We do breakfast and lunch downtown Monday through Friday. as I mentioned, transportation, education. We also, and I'll share a little bit more later, have dental and medical on site and then MAP services, which is medically assisted treatment. Um, we partner with Samaritan Care Hub at our shelter for a five room respit building. So individuals that are unhoused that need surgery or have had surgery have a safe space to heal while our staff work with them to be connected to other resources. The Samaritan Medical mobile bus goes to our shelter one month and the next month goes to the shelter and flips back and forth and provides medical care to individuals. Um the IHN clinic has been amazing. provide services such as OP navigation and connection to primary care. They come to our daytime center. They also go to the shelter and they go out with our outreach team and meet people right where they are in our community. Community health centers of Benton and Lynn counties provides dental care at our office. So typically one to two Mondays a month they have a dental hygienist team in there providing care for people and then once a month a dentist uh street outreach and overdose prevention. We're really proud to have such an amazing outreach team that's dedicated to meeting people right where they are in our community and providing medical, substance use, and mental health referrals to unsheltered individuals and communities in our families. families in our community. Sorry. Chance distributes Narcan, hygiene kits, food, water, and other essential survival items. Um, we also with our shower and laundry at the shelter and downtown. If somebody gets a jacket, things like that, we're coaching on, hey, bring it

back. We'll wash it. We'll dry it for you. Um, our outreach team also partners with Ideal Options, I ch and first responders. It's our goal to make resources more accessible to those in our community and removing barriers and building rapport. Second Chance Shelter has a low and high barrier dorm, five family dorms, medical respit. Our high barrier is a clean and sober space. Our low barrier says come as you are. You don't need to check any boxes to have safe shelter. uh the medical respit facility, year-round warming and cooling center, three meals served daily, shower and laundry facilities. While individuals stay at our shelter, they have access to peer support, 24-hour staff, case management, housing and employment support, essential needs, mental health, and substance use treatment referrals. Throughout the winter, our low barrier was full. We had overflow into warming center. And something we saw last summer was we were full during summer which is not typical for us. So we also had overflow in another space for a cooling center. Um in addition to our low barrier we have 110 high barrier beds and then the five family rooms which is almost always full with a waiting list. This year so far, we've had 388 visits to our clothing closet, over 18,000 meals served between our downtown and shelter location, over 1,700 showers provided to people in our community, over 600 loads of laundry done, and then downtown, over 4,500 check-ins to our building. Um, recovery support through Chance this year. Um, we've had 224 peers assisted with housing. Looks like resources,

helping fill out applications, driving people to and from, looking at housing, appointments, things like that. 121 peers medically assisted or provided referrals at our site. 76 peers engaged with detox treatment. This includes us calling an assessment, driving them to detox, or seeing if a bed's available, and then continuing to call back until that bed's available. 55 peers accessed A&D treatment. So that's either with dynamic recovery, Lynn County A&D, different services like that. 47 peers received employment support, and four families have transitioned out of our shelter into stable housing this year. Um, we believe greatly in community engagement. We're one agency. We cannot do it all alone. Agencies that we partner with heavily are the police department, the fire department, CSC, IHN and Samaritan, Lynb Benton Food Share, and other local nonprofits. Bridges to Recovery is our um annual event. This year we'll be celebrating 20 years in operations as a resource for people seeking recovery from addiction. The purpose of this event is to allow the community that often exists in the background to take center stage. We celebrate the progress of those who have made it into recovery. We also honor individuals who didn't survive addiction who are who are still living with it. We know it takes a whole community to support each other and we honor that truth by stretching interlocked hands across the bridge, reminding each other that we're all in it together. Current needs. We recently received a 14% cut in our funding from our largest source of income. Fortunately, we did not have to cut any of our programs or any of our staff. We are looking for

general operating funds to supplement this change. Um, we're looking to fund the purchase of our shelter. We don't currently own our shelter, which makes it really tricky for us to access any other funds to do any maintenance or any of those things. Another major way that people can help support Chance is within goods. Chance is fortunate to have an uplifting community, strong partnerships, and dedicated team of people who support what we do. Thank you, council. Any questions or comments? Is the uh property owner willing to sell? Yeah, that's good news.

We have a locked in price. That is good news. That's new. Yeah. Question. Councelor Councelor um McGee question with the check-ins. Were those unique check-ins or those multiple people coming back? They're unique check-ins.

Those unique check-ins. Thank you. as someone who's called chance uh for someone that was intoxicated and passed out and unhoused and you know uh thank you for coming and when other services weren't able to quickly and and able to get those folks um assistance when needed. Uh I had someone uh well actually that's maybe not a story to share but no I just I'm really grateful for the services you guys are doing and I know that there's a true impact. Thank you. Council McGee, when is the bridges to recovery event?

In September. We're waiting to lock in a date. We're meeting this Friday to pick a date and then we will make sure that that is shared. September is recovery month. So, we pick a date in there.

So, I I personally appreciate both of you and the work that your team and your team of volunteers do. I've called John several times. I've called you several times. We've seen email situation to you. I want to thank both of you for being responsive uh being and but with coming with intent and helping people get into recovery just change their situation getting better and I just I brag about chance all the time when I'm not talking to other mayors we have Chance we have this organization that we can rely on community services consortium so thank you very much for the work you do

thank you I would add real quick just to counselor news um please call us if you see somebody that is unhoused struggling with ADD addiction or mental health. Yes, there's agencies. Yes, it's sometimes the police thing with a great partnership with our police department, but also if it's a thing where we can jump in and make sure that our police and fire department stay free for other things and we can connect that person either in our building or at shelter like we want to do that every time and if we are available we will try to respond. So, thank you council.

Thank you. Um to follow up on that, um it do you have a 24hour phone number or you have a crisis line? You have a crisis line. Can you tell us about that, please? Um just it stays at the shelter all the time and we always have two peer supports that are on shift. So even if you call late at night, they're able to go out. What's the number? Uh I'll get that for you. Okay. So, we need bridges information and crisis number. Also, during like typical Monday through Friday business hours, our Albany office shelter, but there is an after hours number. So, we will we'll send that to you guys. Is that available on your website? I think she just brought it up. I have the crisis phone number.

Okay. I'm pretty sure this is Yeah. Um, it's going to be 503 851160 1160 503 851 851160. That's correct. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you everybody.

Thank you John. Next on tonight's agenda, a presentation by Albany Police Diversity, Action and Alliance Advisory Committee, a team Chief Arnon, John Phillips, and Beth Huber. All right, while they are giving it up, I'll kind of do the intro here and then let the experts uh present here. This is a group that I'm uh proud of. We started it in 2020 uh June of 2020. Uh I came from a police agency in Washington state where advisory councils were uh a part of our relationship with our community in the city of Belleview and I wanted to start that here as police chief. Uh COVID hit uh and the world kind of turned upside down as we all know. Uh meeting getting to know people is a little bit of a challenge but then uh the killing of uh George Floyd uh I said I can't wait any longer. So I gathered a group of folks based on uh who already knew in the community. Thus the DAT was born. It's now the DAT. Um and we've had a lot of hard conversations uh over six years. So June will be six years for us. We meet on a a fairly regular basis usually every of the month or at least quarterly. Um have again good robust uh conversations. Sometimes we don't agree uh but we all respect each other. Uh and we've been able to make some really good inroads locally. We realize that we have to pay attention to what's happen happening nationally. Uh but where we have power is locally uh and building those relationships. And so we have a we have a chair and co-chair. Beth is the incoming uh co-chair on the APD side with with John Phillips. And I'll let them tell you a little bit about us. Uh and before I do that, can I have the u the folks from VAT that are here stand

up, please? and our PD folks in the back. So, it's a a combined team. So, they volunteer their time uh and uh sometimes probably have more fun things to do, but they have really good conversations. So, I want to thank them for and then uh John will take it away. I'll answer any questions they can't. So, I was a little low. Sorry about that. Okay. As chief started out, we are the uh diversity alliance and advisory team. So the background was established in 2020 and using the 21st century policing model. The our primary goal is to build trust through our open and honest discussion and that is one of the pillars of the 21st century policing model. The 21st century policing model has six pillars. It it was born in about 2014 uh out of uh the tragedy uh out of Ferguson uh with Michael Brown's shooting. Uh it was determined at that point that something needed to be done and there was a presidential task force uh to try to determine what could be done to uh help relations between communities and police. And through that task force was born the 21st century policing model uh with six primary pillars. And they have found since this started that one of the most important pillars is building the trust and legitimacy. And our primary mission is to strengthen the relationship between the Albany

Police Department and our community at large.

So with the Oh wow. Okay. Let me scoot back a little bit. Sorry. uh with the core values um these are values that we didn't have these set up right when we started when we started it was something that was um I know I can only speak for myself and also I think that some of the members on the team as well um what we were doing was foreign and so this is something from the very beginning you know how does this look so as we go excuse me and as we progress these are the core values that we came up with um these are very important important ones. There's some that um you guys might think that aren't on there. We do talk about them. One thing that um or a couple of them for me um respect and empathy, open conversations at the very beginning that was that was tough because as chief said, George Floyd just happened. we were in, excuse me, we were going through a thing called COVID and um you know, we had to learn how to talk to people again because a lot of us we were in our houses and we just we that's what we didn't do. So, we came together again with George Floyd happening um you know, citizens, police, and you know, let's be honest, sometimes it's you know, it's this. So, we all wanted to better our community and these are the things that we go through and these are the core values that we set up. One that's um we didn't type in there um that we do have on our forums as well is vulnerability. And with the mutual trust, which is the third from the bottom, that's not a ranking. Um but with mutual trust, if you don't have that, you can't be vulnerable. and being vulnerable has been crucial to what we do. We've been at this for it'll be six years in June like Chief said and a lot of people most people don't know that this is what was

going on.

We weren't ready though. We had to make sure that we did everything that you see on there and more um to further our team and to further what we were doing. and and a an important piece about that uh with the vulnerability and the mutual trust, those open conversations. Uh one of the things that that we believe is critical to that um is the the fact that we know what we are talking about amongst our group. We we talk about very sensitive issues and many times we talk about them um early on before they're they've really uh come to through full bloom. And so it's important that those discussions stay in that room and stay amongst us and we do have that trust among the group that that is what happens and we can have those open conversations um and everything stays right there. Yeah, that's um there's been a couple times where Chief has called me um and letting me know that hey, something has happened in the community. I want to let you know. And so it was again the the meetings, the hard conversations and building the trust and um and you know having the conversations that got us to that place.

These are the uh team commitments. uh the it's what everyone amongst the team has agreed to um for us as a team. Uh basically we want to meet at least five times a year and we are looking for the regular um activities uh to have as a group uh to continue that that continuity and communication with us as a group. And we also are working uh to build the and continue to grow our interpersonal relationships to continue to build that trust. And this is a list of all of our current team members in the group.

Um I do want to so as you see all the members are on there um both the citizen and the from the uh police side. Um, when we started in 2020, there are some members that aren't on there right now. And I do want to acknowledge them. Excuse me. I want to acknowledge them because they put in work even though they're not on this list right now, but they put in work that helped the team get to where they are now or get to where we are now. And just because they aren't there does not mean that what they brought to the DAT is ignored or is forgotten. So I definitely want to put that out there.

Is it me or you? You.

Oh, it's me. Okay. All right. Um, so as you see by the three bullet points, um, inspire ongoing trust and communication. Um, act as a model of transparency and collaboration. uh we ensure that marginalized voices are heard and integrated in policing. Ah the fun stuff. So um we've had a lot of successes. Um as you can see by the top uh bullet point this is something that I I don't know why I forgot partially but I we met this morning. uh creation of the biased crime and bias incident response model that is considered by the Oregon Department of Justice civil rights section as a best practice within the state of Oregon. So that is something that um our DAT team we worked we talked about we had numerous discussions about and I mean it speaks for itself. So this is something that is um you know one of our crowning achievements as you want might want to say um and also it's something that needed to happen. So um and again if you go back to the core values what we talked about here with the the biased crime model wasn't after like our second meeting. This was after a couple of years of getting to know each other and you know having these honest conversations of we need these things in our community

and then we've also opened lines of communications uh regarding the immigration enforcement. So as there there have been a lot of discussions um especially with the impacts uh with families within gaps and within you know the schools and um groups throughout the community. And so we try to ensure that it is that the Albany police part in that is clearly understood so that the police are not misunderstood and um there's a fear that continues that should not be there because um that be because of the immigration enforcement that is going on. Um we also have the uh DAP members participation and hiring and promotion boards. Um and you can see the other things on the list here. It's wrong way. There we go. And continued successes. We did host our first ever um MLK walk on January 19th of this year. And it was uh a basically it was our first activity as a DAC group and we that is something that we're definitely looking forward to doing uh next year as well and and already have have it set for next year. Um we also have um the coffee with a cop um participation in pride and junth events and as far as the coordination with those um are largely discussed and done through the dat uh excuse me and then the last bullet point uh consistent direct communication through many phone calls and inerson conver or discussions

uh what I spoke about earlier with chief calling me and not just me but other um DAT members when something happens in the community to get ahead of something um in the sense of we don't want you to hear about it second or third hand. This is our community. This is what we work on. We've built this team. So this open communication of hey this is this is happening or this has happened. You know what does this look like going forward for our community? Any questions? Newton. Councelor Newton.

Yeah, I have two. Uh so you guys have been involved in things like bias response and hiring uh hiring panels. Um where do you see maybe where you can have like a greater influence moving forward? Are you looking at doing anything else in the future or continuing doing more of the same? I those are things that the the group does discuss and I I think the the purpose of the group in um working for that trust and communication throughout uh representative groups throughout the community. Um, I think it's important to not necessarily grow too large because every every member needs to be very um, and I'm not going to be able to think of the right word, but but it's there there's it's the very specific communication that needs to occur to continue that trust for each one of the represented groups. And so it's not something that necessarily wants to bloom into something very large. We need to make sure that all groups are represented. So if there's groups that feel like that they are not represented, um we we would love to hear from them. We continue to discuss that um throughout our meetings on, you know, who are we missing? uh what groups that might need to feel like they have a voice or need to have a voice um and better understand the the police, who are they and and you know, where is their um focal representation that that could help with that?

Okay. Um that's fabulous. Quick followup. You guys working with DOJ's bias response hotline? Do we work directly? Do you guys like recommend people that whenever you're responding to any bias incidents for folks to reach out and fill out the information for the bias response hotline? Yes, absolutely.

Fabulous. And then I guess my last question if it's if I could be could be so kind. Um I'm curious about top priorities for next year and what where where council could support um to make the biggest difference. Um so priorities I know that there's two um as Beth said is any comm because you know we have communities within our big community and so any of the smaller communities that we um have missed um by accident. We want to make sure that we get them. Um and then also is with the um MLK walk for next year for 2027. Um I mean the cat's out of the back. So we are planning and is going to be for public consumption. So um you know the first one was just seeing what it looks like and now we know what we can do. So because you know what Albany needs to have an MLK walk and we are going to have one. So yes,

Council Mloud has something. Are you done first? Yeah, I'm I'm done. Thank you for being so gracious. Thank you. Um could you please tell us how this group is um uh differs from or intersects with the uh public safety commission and the human relations commission? How how is this uh group different or the same and do you work with those two commissions as well? So I would have to defer on that question.

Uh we actually came up at our last meeting. So, the human relations commission and the public safety commission are council driven, city driven commissions. This is a police department team. It's not uh subject to open uh meeting laws partly because it allows some very open honest discussion. uh so much so that we all sign a confidentiality agreement that if somebody shares something very personal in there or they might be sharing something that's happening to somebody in the community that unless I'm mandated to act on it we can discuss as a group and get that person resources. So this is a police department driven group not a city um group driven by the charter or anything like that. Thank you.

Thank you for the six years of work you guys have done. I um appreciate that and I'm happy that it's not city driven so that you are not restricted upon certain things. All right, hold your applause. But I do appreciate that so that you can um have things happen organically and not feel restricted in the work that you're doing because a lot of things have restrictions i.e. our meeting law. So I am thank you for that question councelor Mloud and thank you that you guys are not but if we're ever invited can we come just to see okay any councils over here have anything

I have just one thing so one of the things that I do is in my professional world is I work with seniors has the DAT the AAT had an opportunity to connect with seniors at any level I know that I get phone calls I know that I refer them to the different folks in town, police department, non-emergency line. Have you had a chance to have an engagement with seniors? I just one member.

Well, um, in the sense of the focus, no. Um, unless there's a meeting that I missed, which I try not to miss hardly any meetings, um, I don't believe so. And so that's what, you know, that's, um, Councelor Newton asked about what our goals are. That's going to be one that we talk about in our next meeting. So,

I'd appreciate that because I know that um especially older women that are by themselves, they're they're not all, but some I've interacted with are scared of being alone, scared of going to the store by themselves in the evening, go get milk. So, it'd be nice and and also to hear things people say about them in public and they come to me and they're teared up and and it makes you want to throttle somebody. But having a resource like this would be great to because I can have interact with that. So

and a a part of that is also identifying the appropriate individual that is a good representative for that group. And so that's if there are ideas um as far as visiting the web page and and leaving comments, those would be things that we might be looking for. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much for that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your time. Thank you. All right. Thank you, counselors.

Can't stop. Um, presentation. Next item. Charlie, is presentation by the organ law center. It's a verbal presentation. Are they online? Are they here? Okay. Like in person. Oh, online and here. Okay. Give me a second to share our presentation.

Does the city recorder have a copy of your presentation? No. Um, would it be possible to share it immediately following the hearing? Yeah, you can provide it to me via email.

Okay. Thank you. I apologize. Good evening, Mayor Johnson, President Newton, and members of city council. My name is Heather Merik, and I'm with the Oregon Law Center. We really appreciate the invitation that we received to come here and um share a little bit about what we learned on license plate readers and in particular how they impact our client community. In case you're not familiar with us, Oregon Law Center is a legal aid nonprofit. We provide free legal services to lowincome Oregonians on um a variety of matters ranging from housing to public benefits, domestic violence. And we have 11 offices across the state. We also work very closely with our partner organization, Legal Aid Services of Oregon. Um and if that sounds familiar, that's because they have an office here in Albany and they just do tremendous work in the community. That's Albany,

right across the street, right?

Um, we also work with immigrant communities. Um, we provide services on a range of legal issues from immigration cases to the same sorts of matters, housing, domestic violence. Um, we also work on employment rights, farmworker rights, civil rights. And um through that work, we've been hearing from our clients that this is a really difficult time where um our communities are experiencing significant fear and um I would say terror of immigration enforcement and there's significant concern about how technologies can be used to enable surveillance and targeting of individuals. Um, so like I said, we're a legal aid organization. We don't typically have positions about things like technology and license plate readers. Um, and we're also aware, we recognize that law enforcement has adopted license plate readers because they see a public safety benefit. um that you know by now we've all heard cases where um license plate readers have been really helpful and useful to law enforcement. But because of the fear that has been expressed by our clients, um we wanted to understand how license plate readers might be impacting our communities and um what protections might ensure that we're able to enjoy the public safety benefits of license plate readers, but not at the expense of vulnerable community members. Um, across Oregon, I think local governments and communities alike were surprised to learn that license plate reader data was being used in ways that were is contrary

to Oregon values like um to enforce abortion bans or for immigration enforcement. Um, and we learned that the Department of Homeland Security was accessing license plate reader data um both directly unbeknownst to local law enforcement and then also indirectly via outofstate agencies that were providing either doing searches on behalf of um immigration enforcement or um sometimes providing their credentials to federal agents. Um, and I I just quickly wanted to um draw your attention to a report that uh from the University of Washington that highlights these issues pretty well. Um, it focuses on Washington, but a lot of the technology um is the same. And um they concluded that it's quote unquote impossible to conclusively know who's accessing the data and the scope of that access. Um, and we've seen reports in Oregon of immigration enforcement using license plate reader data in ways that are harmful to our community members. Um, and this was acknowledged openly in court. Given the moment we're in during these times, it's incumbent upon us to do everything we can to protect against this sort of misuse. Which brings me to our research. So we took a sampling of um data from jurisdictions across the state. And these are jurisdictions where we have clients who were concerned about these technologies and also where we just knew that these technologies were being used. They're not being used everywhere. Um and so you'll see that Albany was among

the jurisdictions, but Albany was not a particular focal point. Um, however, we do know that uh license plate readers and also immigration enforcement more specifically is a concern in this community. And we know that the harms of immigration enforcement have been um something of great concern. For instance, with the the resolution that this council adopted regarding um supporting immigrant community members. some broad themes and then I'll get into the local data, but um you know, we found pretty s consistent findings. Um local police departments understood that they owned and controlled their own data. Um and they were surprised to learn how it was being accessed and used. Um the uses were sometimes um impermissible under Oregon law. uh for instance for immigration enforcement and every jurisdiction that we surveyed in that list um had at some point last year been sharing their data nationwide whether they knew it or not at the time. Meaning that um agencies outside of the state of Oregon were accessing um their data. And so um what everyone actually wanted me to talk about which is the Albany data. Um so we did request data from the Albany Police Department. Um these are public records that were of the license plate reader data from the flock system and uh we looked at a few different months partially just for when data was available for the different jurisdictions. And so one that we looked

at deeply was um the month of June 2025. you'll see that um federal immigration officials directly accessed um data that included Albanesey's networks 197 times and there were searches conducted on behalf of federal immigration officials 358 times. The most recent data that we had was for the last two weeks of December. Um and so you'll see that uh there were more than 2500 agencies that were conducting searches that included Albany data. Um almost all of them were outside of the state of Oregon. There were still queries being done on behalf of immigration enforcement. Um so we note searches on behalf of ICE and CBP. We also noted searches on behalf of the US Marshalss. Um, and you know, historically the marshals have and they continue to do engage in law enforcement that isn't always immigration related, but the reason we thought this was noteworthy is that um the marshalss have been deputized to assist with immigration enforcement. And so, you know, just recognizing that these times are a little different than in the past. And um in Oregon, we've seen the marshals involved in detaining individuals on purely immigration matters. And I wanted to bounce back to the prior slide to make a similar point regarding Homeland Security investigations. That's the law enforcement arm of ICE. And although they have um often been involved in criminal investigations for things that aren't necessarily about immigration specifically, they um by executive order from the president um their top priority is now immigrant detention and removal.

and officers have been overwhelmingly reassigned to those duties. And so, um, again, like these searches, 131 of them for, um, Homeland Security investigations, it's difficult for us to know what those were for, but we do know that at least at this point, it's more likely than it was in the past that it was for something immigration related. um talking a lot about the data, I thought like I would demystify it a little bit and just show a snapshot of what we were looking at. So this is from a network audit. Um these are the audits of searches that were done by outofstate agencies or a and also agencies um outside of Albany. So they could also be in Oregon, but the ones that were particularly concerning to us were out of state. Um and so you'll see the second column um are the organ the agency names that conducted these searches. The third one down is border patrol. Um the next two columns are the total network searched and the total devices searched. Um and so what we generally saw was that these searches would be of um they would be casting a wide net over many jurisdictions. So they weren't necessarily focusing on Albany in particular, but it would include Albany data and we don't know just from this information whether an Albany resident was the target. Um the license plate is redacted for one for um you know privacy purposes under public records law. But um but also we just don't know how this data was ultimately used. But what we do know is that Albany data was available for this sort of search, searches that were for immigration related matters and that um this is a significant vulnerability. And if a search is conducted for immigration

purposes of an Albany resident, once that search has been done and that information has been revealed, the bell cannot be unrun. And so we think that this is sufficiently concerning even without knowing exactly how it ended to highlight it. The last thing I wanted to point out from this slide is um the reason field. So this is the substance of our presentation, right? These are the purposes that were provided for each search. Um, so you'll see immigration, ICE. This third one down for border patrol, that's a statute USC 1326, that's the um offense of illegal re-entry. So that's a purely immigration related offense. That's not like a drug matter or a person crime. It's um just about immigration. So the legislature was concerned about these trends and um recognized this is a problem bigger than just one company um and so during this short session they passed Senate Bill 1516 um which has now gone into effect um it it went into effect upon signage. Your city attorney will best advise you of what all it requires. But a couple of things that I wanted to highlight. Um it places some restrictions on use and sharing of data and how long the data can be stored. Um and then it requires that future agreements with vendors um or when they're being renewed when contracts are renewed that they ensure local control over data. But that's future looking. It's not necess it's not existing contracts. Um, so these are just baseline protections. They're the bare minimum. And there are still important conversations that communities need to

be having um around when we're using these technologies and how and how we're going to prevent harm to our community members. For instance, under the current law, um data can still be shared with federal officials. um so long as they don't provide that their purpose is for immigration enforcement, as long as they can provide some offense, um no matter how minor, um and you know, even if it's pretextual and what we're hearing from our clients is that's um there's real concern about that. There's also the question of what to do with existing contracts. Um, like I said, this is just forward-looking the contracts and so, um, it doesn't change anything about existing contracts, but a lot of communities have decided to not wait to protect their, um, community members data. So, Bend, Springfield, Lane County, Woodburn, they've all um, ceased use of the license plate readers under their current agreements. Eugene terminated its contract um midway through which from what we've seen is pretty common with um they were contracting with Flock. That's pretty common that they could do that with 30 days notice. And another thing I wanted to mention that Eugene is doing that I I think is interesting is they've called for a work session on mass surveillance more broadly because um they've recognized that we need to have um a more systematic careful approach for how we're adopting technologies generally to ensure that we're not going to just repeat the same mistakes when we adopt something new that we that's very complicated that we don't yet fully understand. Um, which brings me to some closing points. So, I think there's a real temptation to just, you know, kind of

focus on particular vendors or license plate readers in particular. Um, but this occurred in a broader context and if we don't address like the underlying um circumstances that allowed this to occur, then we're likely to repeat this again. Um, you know, we're dealing with extremely complex technologies. Um, we're implementing them pretty quickly. Uh, sometimes without full public discussion. Um, we're collecting massive amounts of data. Um, the data is sensitive and personal in nature. Um, it tells a lot about a person. Like with license plate readers, we're talking about um, you know, where people go. you can, you know, determine from that often where people live and work and get health care, who else go went to the same place at the same time. And then we're um you know it's really telling when you have it over a long period and when you aggregate it with other databases like um law enforcement often have access to DMV data for example and um this data is being shared across thousands of jurisdictions with entities and individuals who um

so my concern is Albanesey's data. So when you finish, I'm gonna have my chief refresh us on what's what her findings are. Thank you. Yes. Um go ahead and finish, please.

Oh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Um again, you know, this this data is being shared with entities and individuals who maybe don't have the same legal obligations that we do in Oregon or may not share our values. And so this is an opportunity for us to do better and be more sophisticated consumers of technology. And so there's a balance that our communities need to strike. On the one hand, um providing law enforcement with tools to do their work expeditiously and efficiently, um but in a way that is respectful of privacy and civil rights. And um and I guess if there's one thing that I hope council will take away from this presentation, it's that we need to ensure community safety means community safety for everybody, particularly our most vulnerable community members. Um and you know during these times we cannot rely on third parties to protect our information for us. We have a responsibility to protect community members of children and families from harm. Um and so with that I will leave remaining time for questions or discussion. Thank you.

So council council Newton.

Yeah. Um okay. So my understanding is that some of this data you presented already has already been confirmed um by Hans Boil of the DH. Um, so I'm curious from a policy standpoint of the guard rails you mentioned, um, data sharing limits, retention, audits, um, which would actually change the kind of access to Albanese all residence data that you showed earlier and which would still be outside of global control. The statute, as I understand it, just provides baseline protections. And so, um, I think that communities are free to have discussion about what protections they would like to see. Um, I I don't understand the law to preclude any kind of protections. And so I think what we would emphasize is just the importance of having these discussions with the community to ensure that um the community is receiving the protections that they believe will protect their information and strike that right balance.

And that piece of legislation that was passed during the short session, it isn't as stringent as say some other states of what they've passed. Is that correct?

That's my understanding. Um, for instance, uh, Washington state enacted a law that was more restrictive on when license plate reader data could be used. Um, for example, uh, requiring that it be for more serious offenses, not for any kind of minor offense. And then also um more restrictive in terms of the retention period so that there wouldn't be so much information that could be searched documenting so much of people's movements and but still allowing um sufficient information for law enforcement to um if they learn about an offense to um to run it through the hot list and see if they can find locate the vehicle. We could always look at other law other states and what laws they've enacted and see how that could inform our our general policy if that's the direction we want to go.

Also, thank you. Um, I would just like some clarification and um, did I hear you correctly at the beginning of your presentation when you said, and I'll paraphrase that outside agencies are providing federal officers with their login information to access our

ALPR data directly. We learned about that through um through news reporting. So that wasn't something that we saw directly from the audits, but that's my understanding from national news and I could provide follow-up information to council about that. I would love to have details on that, how we know that happened. Um what what proof there was that it happened so that it can be verified. Um I it it's very alarming. Um but I I I would like details on that. Um we all would. Yeah. Thank you.

Um you stated that once the bill is wrong that we can't do anything about it. So my question is regarding things that have already happened in the storage of those that information that those particular agencies already have. Um, was it kind of like a hacking type of thing or was it just a sharing space?

I understand that um, agencies access the data through permissions that they legitimately had with the exception of federal law enforcement using credentials of another agency. I I don't know that that was compliant with the flock contract. Um, that exceeds the information I have. Um but um I the information that I provided um didn't include any situations of hacking that I'm aware of.

And one other question this was conduct you said the University of Washington did this for was it six months or you showed two different things June 1 through June 30th then December. So was it like a six month how long was the data collected?

We so the University of Washington report um that was and and it's confusing because of where I put it in the presentation that was a separate analysis that the the um of Washington data which tracks with what we saw in national reporting and what we saw in Oregon. Same trends um same issues. The data from June and December is the public records that we had requested from Albany. And so we picked those months. We did we did have a span of months. Um we we picked focused on those months in particular across jurisdictions because we had June for everybody and then December was the most recent data we received. So we wanted to see well is this still occurring?

So it wasn't ongoing. It was just one month and then another one month. Exactly. Interesting. Okay. Councelor Smith. Thank you. I may have misunderstood something that you said in relation to outside agencies providing federal agencies with their login information. What I heard you say about how you how you knew that was um that's my understanding from national news. Is that what you said? Yes, counselor. Okay. Thank you. and I I will provide um that source for that information. I'm sorry I don't have it before me at the moment.

The other counselors

I have a quick followup. Um there was a city council meeting if you guys ever watch other city council meetings. It's fun. There was one in Oshkosh, Wisconsin um back on the 26th and Flock actually did a presentation. I just wanted to confirm with you guys if this was also your knowledge. They mentioned that that the data is end to end encrypted, but they actually still have access to the data. It's like the way the encryption works, it still goes point from point A to point B, but then they still have access to the data. It can still use it like either to train AI models or to share that data with other entities. Do you know if this company has had um has shared data or used it to train AI models? I don't have information about that. Um I know that the organization is off Eugene has done significant research into the end to end encryption issue and so I would direct counsel to them as a pretty um authoritative source about it.

Okay. Thank you. Eyes off Eugene. Eyes off Eugene. So, so for me, I'd like to hear about our data that you know about chief. Um, you're our top officer officer who's going to speak.

Oh, sorry. I was a little bit late. Yeah. Thank you. So, to sum, you know, summarize, I just want to highlight something. I think you you mentioned in respect we've had Senate Bill 1516 at the state level and your um suggestion to is to have community should have a kind of a robust uh discussion amongst themselves about the use of these these cameras. I suppose we should probably talk about all kinds of surveillance perhaps as well. That summarize that correctly what you Yes. Um, you say it better counselor. That's that's what we would suggest. Okay. Just want to make that clear. Okay.

So, Chief, do you have any information that we could leverage or understand?

Yes. I'm also going to invite um the our CTO Sean Bark to come up. Uh the council had questions last time about cyber security and that and he's done some research as well. You should have a packet that's gone around from the clerk. I apologize for the delay. Some of the information just came in last night, so I couldn't get included in the the packet. Uh but I want to first uh thank the Oregon law center um bear at the table when we were negotiating this bill in the state legislature. Uh and so I think we all found some common ground. I would agree uh as most people should agree that unregulated technology is never a good place to be. Uh particularly with the rapid advancements of technology. We're always having discussions about how can we integrate AI into our our uh city services and and that what does that look like? How can we secure it and so on so forth. So uh when the letter came out to the state legislature uh for the short session uh some alarm bells went off for me and I think we reported back at that time that when we took uh an initial look at the data uh there are some concerning flags that went up for me. One is that numbers were identical across jurisdictions and I think even uh the Oregon law center and our own review and multiple uh meetings with flock that uh we are in a big pool of agencies that dump data. Uh and so everybody throws information into this pool and one person goes and looks for um license plate ABC123 and it's going to hit all of those

If you saw in the log that was in the counselor's um presentation, uh some of those are 6,000 types of uh data sets that we participated is a part of a program called the national lookup. So there there's three things at play here. There's federal pilot program which we talked about in the last meeting. Flock ran a short pilot in June, terminated that based on the impacts to states that will have laws like we do. So that came to an end that that restricted any federal access uh as individual or primary login as well as um the national lookup. Now that's a reciprocal program uh that we were a participant in but we uh had worked with flocked to ensure that there's some filters in place uh for immigration and things like that. And one of the things we discovered that those filters weren't catching everything obviously. So, uh, in December, we moved to back out of the national lookup and be in Oregon only. Now, the Senate bill that was passed and signed by Governor Cotch now restricts that by state law. We cannot share data outside the state of Oregon. In fact, you'll see on page two of the handout I gave you, those are the current login credentials. We cannot even turn on national lookup uh, as a customer of Flock. Uh also uh pardon uh my my apologies to our flock um representatives in the room. They are here to answer any questions that you have about their products as well. Uh but a couple points I want to bring forward. First of all, before the law changed, our policy, which I know the city manager sent to you, uh showed us that we were compliant and had strict standards even before the state law passed. We're at 30-day retention. uh we restricted uh use of the technology had to be for criminal justice purposes only. Uh and as the Oregon law center

pointed out as well uh we need to be really careful about uh login information. So to get into the system also on page two you'll see that there's an acceptance that the participant has to accept to log into the system and there's two factor authentication. So, we have to use that little code to log into our emails, that has to apply for Flock as well. So, literally handing out credentials, unless there's a federal agent sitting right next to me, they are going to have to have that secondary login information to to log into uh our accounts. Our current policy, which we brought up to date, uh there was just a few tweaks that we had to make with the new state law. Uh, the new state law allows LPR technology to run registration checks and check for people's compliance with your insurance. That's not a crime. I want this restricted to criminal investigations only. So, our policy restricts that access. So, we're stricter than state law uh and looking at how it's going to be used. the the national audit logs. Um, and when we got the public records request from OLC, we didn't have those logs at the time. We ran those reports proactively after we got the public records request and handed them over to the Oregon Law Center even though we were not obligated to by the or the public records requests because we didn't have that data at the time. So we've been very transparent. We we have a web page up there for the public to try to educate the public uh in regards and uh all parties negotiated the outcome of this bill which is not a restriction and non-use of LPR technology in the state. It's a guard rails which I completely agree with. uh the Oregon Law Center uh

agreed with the chief's association, the sheriff's association all agreed that we can't just have it unregulated. So, this is where we landed with the with the law. So, uh I'm committed to continue that level of transparency and uh abidance by the the laws where I will come and meet with council on a monthly basis and report out on what those logs show. uh because we do uh you saw a sampling in the presentation of what the the national lookup log log looks like. Um and when we saw the notation about the ICE uh search in December, even though we had restricted uh what we could have and federal sharing was turned off, we took a look at that. On page one of your packet, you'll see a web page from the Lowden County, Georgia Sheriff's Office. The entry that was shown on our log for ICE team made on November 5th of 2025 is the interstate criminal enforcement team out of Lowden County, Georgia, not a federal entity and not an immigration search at all. So, we called that sheriff's office and they confirmed to us that it was a drugrelated thing. And they're they're uh gotten into similar calls. Apparently, they're thinking of changing their name. They probably should.

Um, so that entry noted in that Oregon Law Center uh entry is not even ICE related. So, um, that's the level of scrutiny that I can go in and take a look at at these logs. Additionally, yes, HSI has a relationship and as I reported to the council back in um earlier this year uh at an earlier meeting, uh I can go in and take a look at some of this uh information and there was an entry uh also in December for HSI CSAM and CSAM is is often a a acronym for child exploitation investigations which HSI uh has a major part in across the country including uh some of our cases that I've briefly council on already. So I talked to the Port Hiron uh police department in Michigan which sits right on the US Canadian border and without them disclosing sensitive information about their case that was a child exploitation human trafficking case across the US Canadian border. So that's the level of scrutiny that we can go and look at these logs on that. So totally unrelated to immigration. I bring that up amongst other things that we've uh been able to track down. I won't I know we have a long drive for some of you. So, I want to make sure that um that the data is I I I get that, hey, oh, this um red flag, red flag, but we're making some assumptions about the intent behind a a a inquiry into that system that is not accurate. And so, it's concerning to me. Um, I'm going to be, as I told you, I'm going to be very concerned about that concerning my commitment to the uh Oregon sanctuary uh laws in the state and my involvement in in some of those meetings and the like.

So, that's going to raise uh a flag for me, too. And so, I went and took a look at that. Um, I think the important thing that I I asked the council to think about is the context. I encourage you to look at the University of Washington report and the the subheaders uh and supporting information in there and and I've looked at this document many times. even as an I'm an alumni there. Um I know they do good work, but one of the things that stood out to me that I think it's important for us to walk away from is that even though um they um put some context around the concern about what these logs show and I'm going to quote from that report. Uh as noted above, flock audits do not give any indication of the results of the searches. So, it's impossible to know and is not known whether the information yielded in these searches resulted in an actual immigration enforcement activities uh through the UDub CHR has requested additional public records potentially associated with these searches. That's what I can do. I can go back to the agencies and say, "Hey, on this such and such date, uh you made an inquiry. Can you just give me an idea what it what it involves?" Now um with some improved audits um and capabilities within Flock uh we can actually go and and pinpoint the the person making the inquiry has to use a drop-down menu that indicates a crime type classification. So it used to be called unifi uh uniform crime reporting. Now it's called neighbors. So we report these statistics to the FBI. we have to use the drop down to uh decide what we're going to use that data for. Um and so that very quickly points

to a crime. Uh and our policy in specific will there might be a case number or some sort of reference there allows me to go back and quickly audit that information. Now that we're uh restricted by law to Oregon only uh and any vendor is the same uh that will shorten that amount of uh searches that have to be done because we're not looking at 6,000 agencies. We're looking at maybe 20. Currently there's 20. So, I I I I appreciate the work uh and people raising proper concerns, but I I think that uh the data has some flaws to it and uh to assume that we are handing our credentials over to federal agencies to log into the system or that we're ignoring potential searches on our system which end up not even being immigration related is a bit of a pause for me. Um, I think you know me well enough and I heard last meeting that you trust me enough. I'm going to be very diligent about this technology and any technology that we use. Um, this actually uh made us take a look at everything that we're using all the way down to photo enforcement making sure that we're protecting that information. So, uh, we are making some system improvements, making sure that, um, not only we're holding Flock accountable to it, uh, with their login protocols. You have a screenshot of what is turned on and what is turned off. Um, under the search features, you will not see National Lookup even listed. They took it away as an option for us. Um, as uh I will let uh Sean Park speak to the um SEIUS compliant uh and cyber sound entities of this uh and uh he's uh I'll let him speak, but uh I'm always looking to them. Is this a safe product for us to use? Uh is it secure? Uh do we have enough to to do that? And then additionally um we are committed to

having public discussion. Uh I briefed the public safety commission on this. Uh and so they're we're aware of how it worked. We demoed it. We can demo it for the council tonight. Uh Captain Drum is here and we'll show you how the system works uh in in live time. Um and then also in your packet, you're seeing multiple letters of support. Uh the thing that I think is important to point out is we never see any faces on this. We're literally looking at license plate numbers and and maybe a vehicle type. Um it is of all the technologies out there that is tracking us including all of our smartwatches and that that are unregulated then uh we are regulated on that and I think there's some good safeguards in place. Uh and I think that it might be a good time to resume the program with the assurance that I will come back every month and brief the council on the status of the program. I'll let Shawn Park talk. Oh, thank you, Chief. I I enjoyed a character characterization she made of me of generally skeptical within her notes of of surveillance technology in general, especially as it relates to corporate surveillance, but this is more related to law enforcement and it's a different animal.

The microphone, I had uh extensive conversations with Flock. Is that better? Yeah.

All right. extensive extensive conversations with Flock technical staff um regarding the security of their their data centers, the the endtoend system security and more importantly the the level of security controls that the agency itself has over what happens with the data of the city and um I came away from those conversations uh reassured that the controls that Marshia's team has over the system within the department are controls that I wish we had across several of our of our applications. across the city. Um they're robust. Um they're audited and they're uh they're an example for for what we should have in many other different areas of our business.

Uh if the council would like, I would um ask the flock representative step, you're welcome to ask them any question you'd like. Council. Sure. Yep. I didn't know we When were they invited? Who invited them?

We did. Okay. Um, I had a few questions actually. Um, actually, not questions. The data was confirmed. I understand that you're saying that you're questioning some of the data. It was confirmed. It I I find it just very, you know, we can shore up things, but I I just found that really um dismissive of the hard work that um has been done analyzing and bringing forth this data. Also, you know, in regards to two-factor authentication, you know, like I've called my husband for like a code, like, "Hey baby," or text the code, give me the code. It's not a long stretch that someone would do that with something else. No one's saying that Albany police is doing that at all by any stretch of the of of the mind. It's just that that's been a vulnerability that's happened maybe in other instances. No one was saying it was Albany police. And um if I do cor if I do if my research is accurate um I'm fairly certain it is you know faces are still seen data is still other data is still collected. It's not just there there are it's the rear of the vehicle. Uh if you'd like Captain Drum can come up and demonstrate a search for you in lifetime is the rear of the vehicle. There's no face. You're you might be confusing with photo enforcement that that does uh collect the face. We need that for the core purposes but they are the rear of the vehicle. Uh as far as the data is concerned yeah the first of all uh we had multiple discussions with flock um uh Sean went through and looked at the data separately than myself. I went the extra mile of picking out the red flag items trying to verify that they were federal inquiries or not federal inquiries. Uh clearly the the one ICE search in December is not even related to the federal government. So context uh I question the context of the research

done. What we believe has happened is that you get a data sheet and you go oh ice there's here's count in this uh category. No context about the case. whatsoever. So, I push back on the accuracy and context of the data, not the the fact that the spreadsheets are wrong. Okay.

If I could offer a comment on Councelor Newton's comment regarding the sharing of codes and login and those sorts of things, the one element that kind of keeps us up at night in it is what we kind of sometimes refer to as the analog wolf. that's the person in the process and um we we were always concerned about shared login or or breaches in that way. And what we can't do is stop somebody from doing something illegal there. The sharing of that credential would be illegal under my understanding. Um and that's the human element is something we'll never be able to control for. But we can do everything we can up to that point to try to keep it rained in. I also just a comment about data and variet u verifying and reliability. Um as someone who's a former journalist you do go through a lot of scrutiny of researching reverifying. Um I think that it is always good to question data just in a general sense. I think it is always good to have multiple means of verification but I also think that it is very good to question data and have context behind data because because what we're not seeing is the qualitative side of it we're seeing the quantitative side and we are missing that piece. So I think as a researcher mind um I think that context is very key. Um and thank you for all of you all for breaking it down as best you can to us and to folks who are watching or will watch. Um, I think the biggest concern is that, you know, we were just I think that if you see something like that, it does think it does make you think if there's something more sinister at play with our data or um our citizens and our

residents here, that is what we are most concerned about. Um, but I think this is a good opening ground for how what we should be doing and what our vulnerabilities are. So, I do appreciate the work that all of you've done from the Oregon Law Center to our data person to our chief and obviously the flock folk, thank you for coming and getting ready to take our questions. So, I'm glad that they are here um because I think that we we can directly ask what we need to ask them to appreciate that.

Thank you all. Thank you all. So, I'll have them take Hello, mayor. Hello, council members. It's a pleasure to be here. My name is Lily Hoe. I'm the public affairs manager for flock safety. And um my role is typically to work with communities, engage communities and elected officials to inform uh what Flock does and does not do and how we can help support public safety in your communities. I'm happy to answer anything you have.

So Chief mentioned that there's no way with anyone. Is that correct? Uh well, for since the new legislation uh stepped in, we created guard rails around the state of Oregon to ensure that local agencies are complying now with local state law, which includes not sharing with outside um agencies outside of the state of Oregon. Do do you see instances of outside entities trying to break into your data to get to other data or anything like that intrusions at all?

Yeah, at this point outside agencies outside of Oregon cannot enter or share with Oregon can cannot request to share Oregon agencies to share with them either. So mayor how that looks like in policy is that uh like with other systems that have protections u led uh is an example that we are given strict authorization and access to that data. So, similar to this new law, so if um Reading California said, "Hey, can you check your flock data uh for any cameras in Southern Oregon, they'd actually have to call that police department, give the the legitimate uh criminal uh justice need for that information and then make the inquiry human they wouldn't have access to that information. Now there there are entities where you might see onetoone reciprocal. So, uh, where that might take place is some places in Portland and Vancouver. Now, both states have restrictions, right? But I believe that it allows for onetoone reciprocal because they're in a a joining jurisdiction. Uh, but that's not going to apply to us because of where we're at in the state. But I think that's the only exception to that share. There's basically a geoence around Oregon that that limits uh that who we can share with. We're only sharing with other Oregon entities. Uh, and there's even walls between different vendors. So, Oregon State Police uses Axon LPR readers in their vehicles. We're on the same shared database. So, unless it's a hot list item, we still have to call them and say, "Hey, have you come across this plate uh in your license plate reader, there's not one central big one that we're all sharing amongst others." Is our data used for AI training or to improve any AI models?

Yes, there is a feature with the flock ALPR readers. So, in addition to reading just license plates, we can read partial plates. Um, and oftent times um in a situation of a crime, a victim may not catch the entire plate number or or even the plate number at all. So, one of the features that we have is called vehicle signature. So a victim can identify for example a red truck with a toolbox inside and that's a characteristic that law enforcement can put into the system along with the case number and along with the search reason. Uh that's a neighbor certif um a neighbor's search reason and um vehicles with say that red truck with a toolbox may appear and can zone into specific time zones and and locations like a specific camera for example and that is um part of our AI model training um and it's used to read things like E versus the letter A um and if uh the Toyota Camry, for example, is a model of a vehicle that changes throughout time. If you type in Toyota Camry, it will pull up all of the Toyota Camry for that all of the Toyota Camry have made.

So, derive data sets um that are created by data, who owns those? The data is owned by the customer. So, Albany PD owns the data. Okay. And I've heard that the flock system is described as end to end encrypted. Correct. Um,

who specifically holds the encryption keys? Um, and under which circumstances is Flock able to access customer data? Flock may enter access a limited number of of Flock employees can access customer data. For example, for technical reasons and also if requested by the customer. If for some reason there's specific type of data from a specific date range that uh the police officers would like to reserve or save and they cannot get to their system for whatever reason, we can do that on our behalf if if there's um if if that request is made. And for end-to-end encryption, we do follow um established NIST cyber security protocols and we are also sock to da um and furpa compliant.

Okay. So has flock ever um write a data directly to a third party? Not without the customer's consent. No. Okay. Um and you mentioned earlier that some flock employees can access the raw data. Flock employees can access data for technical reasons. If we are say there is a technical reason to um at the request of at the request at the request of the pass.

So an example of where this is our our uh data settings and now state law requires that we only hold the data for 30 days. if something happens per se or the system goes down or we have don't have limited access. A great example is the current pause we're in is going and getting information. We might be able to get some of that, but even even the network data logs that yes, they're redacted. They're even redacted for me. So, I don't even know what plate they're run. I had to call those police agencies and say, "Hey, was this you and what was the purpose of it?" Just to verify that it was not immigration related. They will have it on their internal logs of who who ran a plate when, but the actual reads and anything else not searched for is gone within 30 days. We we would have uh very narrow reasons for going and giving that because it's not accessible after 30 days.

Okay. Um so data is misused or um improperly shared. Let's just say how exactly that happens, right? Um what liability does flock take on? What remedies would the city have if that were to happen to us? What would you mean by improperly shared? Like there was a hacking incident or there something was leaked or I I don't know. An employee shared data with federal federal administration or something. You know, I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out legalitywise like what the company accepts as part of their responsibility. That might be a Sean kid question. We do in our current contract we do have some protections in place and the new state law also has some civil remedies in place for violation of our laws.

Okay. Council questions, comments, we have have had one flock camera in service. Is that correct? Correct. That camera was stolen. Is that correct? Correct. Do we plan to replace it? If you turn the cameras back on. Yes. That and three more. Isn't it already replaced? Is not replaced? Has it been ordered? Uh, has a replacement camera been ordered? Yes. Yes.

What have how long has it been shut off by now? I think we turned it off on a March 20 or I'm sorry, February 26th. Do you have any idea what you've missed? No idea that time. Yeah. No idea.

What would it take to overturn that decision? Do we have um Sean or Eric? Can you help me with that? Does the council could make a motion tonight to turn the camera back on once it's or I guess it's ordered once we have it back. I guess you can you can make a motion to have them activated again. Obviously, well,

council, the uh motion directed us to suspend the operation to all automated license reader cameras pending further council action. So, further council action would be a motion to reverse that to lift that suspension. I think that we have hampered um law enforcement activities in Albany by shutting that camera off. And I believe that it's more good in collecting the limited types of data that we can collect from one camera that looks at the back end of a vehicle than harm that can be done um from them. I um

can I ask a clar clarifying question? Yes. So So we have we have four total. We didn't install the other three pending some uh placement uh paperwork to do with the city right away permits. So uh the other three are just dormant until uh we get direction.

I would include all four cameras in my motion. I think it does more good than harm. Uh I believe it does more good than harm. It's police officers used to drive around town and look for things on their own. They had no radios. They had nothing but gut instinct and intuition and just waiting for somebody to tell them that something was wrong. If we can if we can now we use look at the stuff that people that hang off of a police officer's body during the course of the day that's all technology that's helping them protect us and I believe this is another this is the next step. Um and I I just really do believe it's it's better than not being there. soul. I would make a motion to reestablish the flock cameras, turn it back, turn it back on, place the other three when they when we have a place to put them. And let's get back with that contract and help APD do its work.

That's a complicated motion. I apologize, but let's just just resend the the overturning the previous decision and reinstate the camera.

I just have a a question regarding your motion. Um, counselor, um, are we also or could you please include the uh, the chief is going to give us, you said monthly updates. Happy to do so. Please include that. And also in that motion, if you don't mind, also including um I think one of the things councelor Newton was trying to get to um was that she wanted to hear some community voices or community conversations around that. So if there's a way to get obviously, you know, you can't be having community conversations every week. I mean, you could, but that's a lot. Um, but if there's a way to get some type of community involvement regarding the fly cameras or feelings about it or whatever, I think that's the spirit of what council nud was trying to get to. Um, am I incorrect?

Yeah, I'd like to see us determine what our policies are and talk to our constituents and talk to our community before we make any further action. I think that it's important to do that before I hastily turn something on after we turn it off just fairly recently. councelor has about

yeah you all have um kind of stole my thunder that that's why on um following up the suggestions of um the Oregon law center um you know we can't direct the police chief to do something we can ask the city manager I think some conversations need to happen before we bring this back um this was a good discussion a throw discussion I'm going to have to do it again but um we got to hear other people got to hear that. So, we do have a motion and I have not asked for a second yet. There's no second.

So, I the only thing that I'll add to the other good points that I've heard is that I think that as part of any action to turn the thing back on, as it were, we need to have some clear policy about placement. Uh there's been some good constituent feedback recently um about where the appropriate place for such cameras are if we're going to operate them. Um and I think that just saying let's go let's turn it back on without having that discussion is premature. Uh just to give you some information on that, when those four cameras were obtained uh under a CJC grant from the state of Oregon for organized retail theft, so the initial uh spots we're considering are kind of our hot zones around uh those areas, Walmart, Goldfish, Farm Road, Waverly, and Clay. Uh all areas that we are constantly going to for theft cases. And so we were trying to make those placements based on the spirit of the grant that we received.

Oh yeah, understood. And and and no issue with that. If that's what we received the grant for, then that makes total sense. I think we need to have a broader conversation than than just that though. Um in light of some of the topics that have come up. Sure. Uh and then additionally, just so uh the council's aware, it was on the agenda for the uh committee or the public safety commission. We didn't have quorum. So the next meeting for that is not until June. So we will be suspended until June. I just want to make sure the council's aware of that. That's another location that where you would get feedback from constituents. We also have the FAQ page that's available on our website for folks.

You want to do anything with your motion for now or I'll call for a second. I'll call for a second. I'll call for a second. Okay. So, anyone can second at this time. Yeah, we have a motion and we want a second. Did you counselor Smith, did you want to include the I wanted to include the monthly reports. Yes. Okay. So, can you just say it one more time? You restate the motion. I would move to uh restart the um clock contract with monthly reports from the police department about what's what it's doing.

I have a motion and do I have a second? Second motion. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Those both say no. No. No. No. Roll call, please. Councelor Mloud, nay. Councelor Smith, yes. Councelor McGee, yeah. Councelor Newton, nope. Councelor Thompson, no. Councelor Van Dremelan, no. Thank you. Next on tonight's agenda is the public.

Mayor, real quick, uh, can I ask the council for direction on what you wanted me to tell the public when we can't use this technology to help them? We want their input, right? I I just have a question. You said public safety doesn't meet until June, correct? Mid June, beginning June. Uh, it's usually the first Tuesday, first Wednesday in June, I believe. The We can bring it up in June.

So, that's that's one question. And then the other piece is yes, we want community voices. Obviously, we we need those. But then my other question is then how long do we want to have these community voices happening while because my my concern is I don't want to impede as a council any type of investigation or anything that you need to keep our city safe and the folks. So how long do we want to have communic community voices going on council? That's a good question.

I I think it'd be great for us to have community conversations over, you know, bring this to the um publicity commission, have the community conversations May, June, and and and talk and and as far as what you can tell the public is, hey, this is private data. We want to make sure that we're keeping our citizens safe and that we have accurate policies and and things that reflect the values of Albany in place. We would like your input. Until then, you know, these are turned off. One correction, license plates are not private data. They're very public data.

It's still tracking who's going to a place. It's still surveillance. It's still Oh, uh, Troson's car went to Walmart at the same time as Sean kids. Oh, no. They're both like buying the same matching t-shirts, you know, like for something. You know what I mean? Yes, I I I hear that. But little John was taken from a school day and it was this colored card and took it. That's what that's what I'm trying to see. So if you're saying we want community conversations in May, they're not meeting in May. So then or in May in May are we supposed to have we can facilitate community conversations from the city and then bring that information to the public safety commission. So in May we're going to have I just want to make sure I'm understanding.

I don't know how I don't know how quick our team can spool up community conversations. Well, that's well, that's what I'm saying because we need the community to show up and actually give feed forward so that we I and I am nervous about impeding anything that's going to keep the city safe. Personally, when kids are out of school and someone picks up on those children, I saw a red car, mom said, I got part license plate, we can't help them. That's the That's my thing. So, if we're going to be having I don't Is it Is it wrong to have community community voices while the cameras are on? I mean, I don't No. No, it's not wrong or no, you don't.

No, I don't think they should be on. I'm also wanted to say that people that are like I feel like this is using like a weird boogeyman argument of saying like, "Oh, someone's going to steal the children off the street." Usually, whenever a child is taken or abducted, it's usually someone that knows them. I'm not talking about that simply crimes that are perpetrated. I'm not concerned. I'm concerned. I'm just talking about broader. I'm not going to specific. I'm just saying I I want to know how long we need to have the community voices. So, you're saying we need to have the community voices in May and then bring it to June and talk and have whatever they say and then we're going to turn the cameras back on in July. By that time, we're in midsummer. I'm I'm just trying to draw the timeline here.

We'll see where the timeline goes. Looks like Michael Thompson's room is about to fall off, though. Yeah. Um, it's April. I would humbly suggest you have the month of May. It doesn't have to be at the uh the uh public safety commission. I I don't you know, it's not up to us to to tell the what I'm asking. I think what the four of us would be asking is a city manager to direct some community conversations about the use of these flaw cameras. And the chief will probably do a great job and explain to people just like you did tonight. Um it's not I don't think it's that complicated. So are we given direction today to have those conversations and city manag

that we want? Yes. Yes. What she was trying to say. So we're having I just again I need to understand a timeline. I'm sorry it's a lot going on and we don't have a timeline and when we're supposed to get a corner back. Excuse me. Please step away from the DAS. So September, are we saying are we're saying councelor Tom said that we want to have our community conversations in the month of May? Yes, that's what I'm understanding. Yeah, if you know as quickly as possible.

All right. So ASAP I'm guessing in the month of May and then I'm guessing in June you're going to have to we're going to have some sort of we'll talk about what happened in the community conversations in June and then from there we'll have some sort of policy of how we want to move forward also in June. So then at some point the cameras may come on in June. I'm sorry I I just need to I'm a logical person. And I need to know what's going to I think. Yeah, I think that I don't want to be tied to one specific timeline because short building the the rocket ships for taking off right now where this isn't something that's pretty planned.

I prefer to have a timeline only because I think the longer they're off as the the chief said that we don't know what we've missed and that that's a concern to me.

And I'd like to ask the council for some direction on what they're looking for in that feedback. I don't like them, you know. And again, I I think we spent the better part of the last hour plus talking about misinformation, what does that look like? Uh if one person speaks up and says no, what does that look like? We've had lots of discussions with the community over the last couple months since this came up in December. So, I'm just looking for some direction on what it will take to convince the body here that the feedback has been met. So, should the council come up with questions for the community or should we let the professional do it?

Um, I'm well I have a lot of professional expertise. I'm happy to suggest some questions as well. I think the question is what are you looking for? Right. Um, so instead of asking the uh the community questions, I think the community should be asking us questions.

We we need to be doing more uh more listening than talking. And so I think we we just need to gather the community to get their input on uh what they think is happening and if there is misinformation then that would be an opportunity for us to correct it. Um but in in large we need to be doing more listening than than talking. So, so council, would you recommend getting folks together to talk about it? I don't have a recommendation.

It made me uncomfortable. I said this was this for the last two years. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't do that again. This makes me uncomfortable. Like, I have the same feelings I had over what, two, three years ago when we first in one of these. I don't like the idea of, you know, I I like my privacy and I think other people do too. And I don't think that it infringes on the skilled efforts of our law enforcement. Um, that one cameras making that big of a difference. But, um, Chief, you said that you have been having conver you have heard from the community.

Yes. Uh so I think you're going to hear some public comment from u members of our public safety commission. They did not meet in quorum. So they're doing this independent of that. And then we've had uh open conversations with the DAT as well and spoken at many public events about it and the importance of technology within responsible and common sense usage. So we've had multiple conversations. I'm not aware of anybody that has submitted written testimony opposing flaws. So, if you haven't, I would love to see it. Okay.

Email. Um, yeah. It's causing everyone to see that, not just not just criminals. It's everyone. It's always taking the pictures if there's some kind of issue, right? I'm sorry. So, just constantly taking pictures all day or when there's a violation or something? No, it's it's if a vehicle goes through, it's taking an image of that vehicle. It's every single vehicle cameras or speed or something. No, it's every vehicle. Every single vehicle. Every single vehicle. Watch you walking around a grocery store or walking down the street. It's just there.

And may I add some context to that? Yes, it the our cameras take an image of the rear of a vehicle of um every vehicle that passes the roadway that it's pointed at. It's always public pointing at a public roadway. Um, but the vehicle images are not seen until your law enforcement officers are making a search for a criminal investigation using um a nebris drop-own select direction.

We gave motion. Yeah, it seems like we're having a case of like keeping the vote open or something. No, the vote. We've deposed over the vote's over, right? We've deposed. We've given them direction, a meeting of some sort in May. Okay. So,

the best I can. I'm not allowed to give them direction. I'm allowed to give city manager direction. from a from a technical and a time and resource perspective, what measures would we need to see in place uh either technical or legal in order what what would council need to see in place before authorizing the use of the system so that we know where to guide our our interactions with the vendor or perhaps explore additional security controls beyond what's been explained tonight. Please,

I I I want to be clear that my I I think I'm because I voted no, I'm getting lumped in with we need more community feedback. That was not my reason for voting no. Um my my concerns like I I think that some good points have been brought up about placement of cameras and I would like to have that conversation about what is appropriate and what guard rails

should be in place in terms of placement. I like the suggestion that I've received from at least one constituent about there should be clear limits on where these can be placed. Not within the city, but like so that because the one of the most important things is we have a description or a license plate or whatever it is. Is that person potentially in Albany? Um have they come in? Have they left? We don't like I don't I have no interest in there even existing a data set of how people are moving about within Albany. I I can recognize the law enforcement value of Alby's is not geographically that big. Um again like I'm a geoloccation person like we if we have reasonable cause to suspect that a suspect of a crime is in Albany we can probably find them. Is that am I completely off base chief? None. Okay. So, like that that's like my my whole concern is just saying turn it back on, overturn the suspension without having the conversation about what the additional appropriate carve rails are. I'm not like that's why I said I don't have a recommendation when you looked at me for the community feedback piece because that's not what I'm looking for. I'm not I'm not

I'm not looking for I I do want a more privacy focused approach to use, you know, targeted tools in very specific situations like what councelor Andrew outlines. Like I don't want to be tracking data of residents that or they should have the assumption of of privacy, you know, like they're their car moving around, driving, you know, it's not like going onto a private place, a private company, like going to Target and being surveiled. It's different. You're on a public a bit. I'm still looking for a bit more guidance in regards to, you know, Sean, we can get that back to you later. Maybe we can ruminate on it.

You know, I don't think we're going to have all the answers right now. As much as I so dearly wish I did, excuse me, I'm sorry. Okay, we can come back to you later with we can come back to the city man later with direction or sorry that work. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much for participating and thank you for law center. Next on tonight's agenda is public. So yes, take a 10-minute break, please. Be back at 810. Amen.

So, thank you. We're back in session at 11 8:11 p.m. Next on tonight's agenda is a

me get to our document is a agenda is a public hearing for economic improvement district eid f first public hearing. I declare the public hearing open at 8:11 p.m. Uh does the staff have a report? This is just the first of two public hearings that we are required to have by OS. Um it is for public input just to get any you know comments from anybody who is in either favor or against this economic improvement district. Uh so far we've only had one person remmonster and uh so as of now it looks like you know it is a going concern as as far as um meeting for the second public hearing and then you know potentially getting more input or more reconstances.

Thank you. U we did have written comment u staff see written comment good thank you very much for that. Um for those who for those who wish to testify there were three point options available which were described on the agenda. Those who register to speak during the meeting will be called upon upon for comment. Is there a name on the sheet at all? Got two.

You have two names. Thank you very much. Mark Stewart for the Economic Development Improvement District. Three minutes. I just have a quick question. Um, so as I'm looking around, there's an element I recognize from uh either Chamber of Commerce or Visitor Center. I apologize if there are members from either organization here. Um yeah, visitors visitor center. Okay.

Visitor social

downtown. So um that's excellent. Uh so my question is uh because I believe there'll be a presentation uh by the the head of the ADA at the end of this um or a quick comment, right? Is that this is that report? Okay. Uh question for them would be uh howworked uh are they with chamber and visitor center? Um I think with uh the upcoming um possible economic turmoils that we might all be facing very soon. Uh being really wellworked amongst agencies that have common goals uh seems like it might be pretty important. So, I'm I'm just curious what what kind of how how closely uh related and how closely they already work together.

Thank you. Um Trina Henderson.

Hi. Um Trina Henderson, Albony Down Association. Um, I just want to take a moment to thank the council for your continued support with the downtown Albany and especially the economic improvement district. Um, the EID works because it's a true partnership between the city downtown properties and business owners and the chamber and ABA. So, we do work closely with the um ABA. They're right they're our next door neighbors. Um and actually uh Carmemell who is the new chamber president and CEO um we just had lunch last week. So um we all work really well together. Um very connected. Um but those funds for the EID they stay local um in the downtown. They're focused on what matters the most which is supporting our businesses um maintaining clean and welcoming environments for our downtown and also bringing activity to our downtown. Um because of that investment, we're able to go above and beyond basic services and we're proactive on how we um can support our downtown core. Um so I just want to say truly thank you. I know this is the first hearing, but um thank you for your continued support with the downtown. Thank

you. We will now take comments for those that did not register. Does anyone member of the audience wish to speak in behalf on this item? If so, please raise your hand, state your name, and make your comments you may have before the city council and provide your uh information to this to the city recorder. Anybody does the staff wish to respond to any of the comments received?

No, but we do thank the public for their comments. Thank you. I declare a public hearing closed at 8 8:16. Uh does the council wish to discuss the item or any additional questions from the staff? Um request a refresher on the next step, please. says, "Will the second DI public hearings on May 27th, 2026 p.m. I think

right and we will have a letter that's going out um to each of the property owners that have the amount of their assessment and another description and it gives them also instructions on how to remmon it if they want to do that. So those remmonstrances have to be received by the May 27th public hearing date otherwise um they are opted into the program. So that is it. Thank you director. Thank you.

Public okay next is public comment. Um public comment is a time for all residents to speak and for counselors to listen. The council won't discuss topics or make decisions during public comment, but will take comments and requests under advisement. Speakers are limited to three minutes and must follow this council's rules and observe the same standards of the quorum. If you're unable to do so, they will be as you will be asked to step down and take a seat in the audience for the rest of the meeting. When you get to the microphones, please state your name and state whether or not you live in the city hall. Marsh. Uh, my name is Mark Stewart. I live here in Albany. Uh this I I did not want to talk about this tonight as this is not what I intended to use this time for, but um for for the sake of the importance of it, uh if you want public feedback on these slot cameras, hold a public hearing about it. Allow people to sign up and come and come in and talk to you about it. I I that seems like the the the most obvious way to do that. I don't I don't know why nobody mentioned that. Uh, if you want to have these cameras in operation and you want them to remain in operation, you're going to need the public's backing to do so. And case in point, that one camera's already been taken down. It you can put it back up. It's just going to get taken down by someone else again. And eventually that's going to get expensive. So, um, that and it's my understanding

that my other thoughts on how to go about meeting the public in the middle, uh, has already been shared with with council on writing. So, um, you you've got my you've got my path to do that. So, there it is. Uh, I want to ask anyone on the council to uh during their council business, and I I apologize that this meeting's already ran really late, but uh if one of you would be willing to make a motion to have me come up here and explain to you how the oil industry works, how how that how oil is a commodity functions. Just give me a few minutes to explain that to you. This is something that you all really really need to know. I tried to mention this a little bit uh the last time I was up here for public comment and councelor Smith uh I think you very much misunderstood what I was trying to say. Um and and I'm I was very heartened by your response that uh that we have the resources that we have for food pantries and whatnot to help uh the current number of homeless people that are out there. What I was suggesting was is that if if we're going to have 300,000 residents in Lynn County all looking for food potentially, I I'm saying we might be facing an apocalyptic level of logistic breakdown where every single person in this state is if they can't I if if food even is available might not even be affordable. We need to talk about this. The city council's can I'm seeing meeting after meeting get cancelled. This needs to be addressed very very soon. Uh we we are I've been freaking out about November.

Uh things are getting a lot scarier faster than that. So um if if you want to know about it, it won't take me long to explain it to you. Next on the night's agenda is business from the council. Uh councelor van Germany. No business for me tonight. Council Mloud.

Thank you. Uh recently I had the opportunity to tour the ABC house here in uh downtown Albany. They're a vital part of our community offering uh support services to help end uh child abuse and neglect. And I just wanted to thank them for uh the the tour that they provided of their facility. And um they said that uh tours are available to anyone who would like to see what they do. Um, they are always in need of donations of snacks to provide to kiddos as they uh come in and they have an Amazon wish list on their website. Uh, you can find it with Google. Um, that's about all I have. Thank you.

Dr. Thompson. Yeah. Yeah. I I referenced earlier on Monday um very excited uh the Albany Partnership for Housing and Community Development received um a CDBG federal grant from um the community development commission and we are going to look to buy another um life skills supportive housing house. I said for low-income folks who are like one step away from homelessness. And it's exciting for us for our our organization to um add to our our numbers we serve. Um and in addition to that, you all got an invitation from the partnership. We're have an open house on May 7th at Periwinkle Place. We have um replaced a unit and and replaced a new built a new unit with a focus on um ADA accessibility, which is something um in the low income supportive housing area. We need to we need to focus uh uh as people get older and we need that um that kind of help. Um and so you're all welcome to come to that. Also, we had upgraded the community building there through a previous CDBG grant. Um and that will show that off as well.

So, thank you. Thank you. That's it.

Yes. Um wanted to say I'm very excited about the new stop sign. Uh if you guys remember few weeks ago, I guess um requested to have have a our team look at and see if we wanted to add a stop sign around Fifth and Elm and I it's currently awaiting its unveiling and I'm just saying as someone that lives near that, I'm so thrilled people hot dog around that corner so fast. Um, so I'm really grateful grateful for that. And something I wanted to also ask about is the process by which I know there is currently a crosswalk. I know we 12th and Elm since that's a big corridor for for kids walking home from school talking about safety for children. Um, I want and I know that's not a spot we we're going to have a stop sign, but I'm wondering if we can look at getting in is just a regular crosswalk with two lines having the blocked lines. um for the crosswalks, it's more visible um just for the sake of kids walking home um from Tina Elementary School, which is a school that houses kindergarten through second grade, the littlest kids, the third through fifth grade central. So would love to see that

question block lines. Have we seen like you know where they have like it's like a two on the circle there. Thank you. In technical terminology lateral crossings we'd love to see that and if we can if there's a process to get that looked at or what the parameters would be just think guaranteeing kids walking safely should be a priority. That's all I have. Sorry. Everybody's getting punchy. Um, council Smith.

Uh, in the future, I would like to have a discussion about um the governor's veto of House Bill 4177, and that's the practical effects of that for at least the next 18 months on members of this council. 4177 4177

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a few things. one about two weeks ago, um the mayor, council Smith and I had an opportunity to um visit the farm worker housing development uh location that's happening over uh behind Walmart. Some of the accessible units are huge. It's about 56 units done, 60% almost finished, and there's a huge waiting list and um a mural is going to go up as well as community center and like an indoor soccer field for children. So, we're really excited about that. It was a really nice day. We got great weather that day and got opportunity to speak with um the developers as well as uh the staff of the farm workers housing corporation. Um second thing is this upcoming SAT Saturday Saturday the NAACP lynben count uh lendin branch will be having your family your community your organ talks about safety health care housing and housing affordability. It will be on um Saturday at 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. at the Corvalis Community Center. yours truly will be moderating all that day along with another community member as well. And um just a huge thank you to um the counselors bearing it out tonight knowing you all have to get up and go make that drive. I just got to drive down to LB. So thank you.

Yeah. So thank you.

Okay. Thank you so much counselors. Um, a couple things or three things. I I was um had the pleasure of doing a vignette or short video. Uh, Jackson Street is celebrating his 25th anniversary in the city of Albales. And it really means a lot that that organization is there. They do a lot for our community. So, if you can give them a shout out or just stop by and say thank you about them. Um, so this is something that I'm been a project member of. Um, Lyn Benton, Teen Idol. The first auditions was last week. Fabulous. I can't sing, so I really appreciate people that can sing, but so it's for the next six weeks, April 24th, May 1st, May 8th, and May 15th, and the finale is May 22nd. And there's some really talent at 6:30, some really talented people at this that participated. And one young lady, I'm like, I know you from somewhere. And I'm like, I was the first singer. I'm like, oh, she was wearing a gown, stunning, great voice. And so, please support this. It's worth it. It's working. It's worth every dime. It's only four months, five, but the young people really appreciate. We got people six to seven years old out there singing our hearts out. So, see you there. See you there. I hope to see you there. And then legal cities this week, Thursday and Friday. And um we'll be there. meeting with our counterparts from different cities and organizations throughout the state and um you guys have a safe travel over and um I will now turn it over to the city manager

and I have nothing further to add. Are you singing? Do you have an aisle song or you No, hold on. Oh, okay. I was I was going to say Oh my gosh. I told you the story when I started my daughter and she stuck her hand. Okay. Uh, next meeting is Wednesday, May 13th at 6 PM in this chamber. See y'all later.