Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, November 12, 2025
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Government Body
Board of Zoning Appeals
Meeting Type
Board Of Zoning Appeals
Location
Albany, NY
Meeting Date
November 12, 2025

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63 sections (from 220 segments)

8:30 – 9:440

Want to call to order the Wednesday, November 12th, 2025 planning board public hearing and meeting. Time is now 6:02 p.m. to welcome all of our presenters and board members, staff and council and all the good folks here to get us through our public process. We have four items on today's meeting agenda and our first will be a development plan review for 43 second act [laughter] here Eli Schneider. need to be.

9:44 – 9:570

Do you want to walk through? Okay. So, we'll have staff walk through [clears throat] their report and presentation and we'll take it from there.

9:55 – 11:550

It's the conversion of the existing school which I know previously um first as a workshop and then public hearing. Um so 32 billion and we're at a point now with departmental review that our department can feel comfortable additional approval and all the other department building. They've made a lot of updates over the summer um a lot of detail on there previously. So good plan. The only other condition in addition to the final water department would be um in their elevation set. They have one that shows the elevation that painted gray and white and it went before the park resource commission. Um and they denied the request for painting. Um and it was kind of like a half yes half no on the certificate of appropriateness. So um we just reflected that that elevation removed. So there's notion that they are determined they were not in character. Um there's [clears throat] no public funding. So we didn't do any coordinated review. Um we did call it an unlisted action. So we did draft just a short part two and three for you forward. Did you receive any public comment? There was a public hearing previously. That's what I just mentioned about the certificate appropriateness and it being listed. So we would just include that part as a condition. [clears throat and cough] So a few um the street amenities and

11:52 – 12:330

street trees are kind of partial. They did include street amenities and street trees. They're just it has six street trees where eight are required. There's just not enough room in the right way. Um and the street amenities same thing. It's just tight in the right way. So recommend approval of those waiverss as well as a deck and approval of conditions of development plan review. Like I said before and change, do you have any questions for plenty of times?

12:31 – 13:130

All right, I'll I'll roll through each of these as four separate motions so you can have them on record. Just read. Um, is there a motion for a negative declaration on the secret? So, second, it's been moved and seconded. [laughter] [clears throat] It's been moved and seconded for negative declaration of the secret is Oh, sorry. [clears throat] All in favor? I say I I

13:13 – 13:560

Is there a motion to approve the waiver for the street amenities? So motion. Is there a second? Second, Liz. It's been moved and seconded that we approve the waiver for the street amenities. All in favor, please say I. I. Is there a motion for approval of the waiver for these street trees? So moved. I'll second. It's been moved and seconded [clears throat] for the approval of the waiver for street trees. All in favor, please say I.

13:55 – 14:430

I. And the last one is there approval with the condition uh on the development plan review condition one prior to the issuance of the building permit. Final approval shall be obtained from the water department of water and water supply and two all exterior work must comply with the decision of the historic resources commission. um in their drawing depicting the rendering with gray and white painting to be removed from the floor plan and elevation plan as this proposal was denied. Those are two conditions. Is there a motion for the approval of development plan review with the conditions as written or as written?

14:40 – 15:240

As written. Yes. So move. Second. has been moved and seconded to approve the development [clears throat] plan review with the conditions as written. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Motion carries. All done. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next for today on our meeting agenda is 84 Madison Avenue which is a conditional use permit. Um Wesley I haven't I was here the other time. So

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yeah, come on down.

15:24 – 17:230

Uh couple of updates. Uh uh we had electricians come by. Uh permits uh just got inspected. passed. Um the permits should be closed out by the inspectors or are going to be closed out soon. Uh we are working with plumbers. Uh we're working with uh we just got a 3D scan of the building uh that they'll give elevations and structure and everything which you'll see in the slides. Um uh I think I think they were updated to reflect it and then yeah so men workshop did a 3D scanning uh up to as accurate as to the millimeter for any and all directions. Uh they scanned inside outside uh electricians for Angman Electric. Uh we are waiting uh to hear back from uh EW Tomin for plumbing. Uh they're going to come in when they get a chance to to get a retracted permit and check all the plumbing. Um and uh I believe Aman Electric also did check out the HAC of the uh that level uh and then they said that everything was to code. So uh that was also in process. I think that's that will close out on soon. Um, uh, [clears throat] see Oh, yeah. As you can see, uh, full scan range. Uh, don't know the details, but as you can see the structure where the stairs are. Um, it'll show you the bathrooms and everything. Uh, and where everything out lies, as well as the exit deck. So uh entrance inside is uh the stairs you see on the top and then the rear over there as a second egress. Uh and then the bathroom kitchen area of course uh uh they had checked all of the outlets. They checked all the breaker panels, all the stuff that's in the area. And then they went to check the meters and stuff as well. Um they didn't have any questions. They we said you guys know best and they check everything they could. So,

17:19 – 17:480

uh this is the first floor, right? Yeah. So, [clears throat] um first and second are pretty much almost mirrored, but as you can see, it's a I don't see the measurements on there. Uh but they have the square footage, which will show the uh referencing there. Um so, the scan they they sent me earlier had all of the exact measurements, but I think the notes would be in there, right? Yeah.

17:44 – 18:570

Okay. Um so as you can see um front entrance right right in the hallway after the stairs on the top leading up uh and then on the back way is of course the uh egress going down um the connecting stairs from the third and it just goes down and the stairs kind of loop around um and then that that leads to basically the parking lot in the back um and then on the I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. So they had checked all this stuff and all the plumbing units are pretty much on the basement area which um EW Tomin is going to be checking. I think there's only one boiler on the third level which they're checking. Um they had checked for the discharge and after testing it they're going to work on just getting the permits and stuff for retroactive to make sure everything's good. Uh they didn't find any leaks so they were like they were pretty happy with it. So they're going to probably open up a permit sometime soon. Um, I guess really we're depending on their schedule because right now it's a cold season and well everybody's asking for plumbers. So yeah. [clears throat]

18:54 – 19:310

All right. Any questions from planning board? I could just say from the staff side can't with Wesley um you know with the additional information from the scan he understands it doesn't need to be conditions um the definition in the code so he understands like it does need to be two not three um and you said that you're moving forward the building permits to [clears throat] rectify that so yeah we're just one step and trying to find everybody that can uh you know get approval

19:29 – 19:430

exactly so on our side it's still the same recommendation as in October um for a denial of additional use permit for units when the third is notable.

19:46 – 20:240

I guess my question is because it looks like that work to make it a third dwelling unit has been done um prior to going through this process. What are your plans? What do you plan to do with that third area for the attic space? Um, first, uh, we're gonna do all we can to make sure that everything's up to code. Um, we're still going to continue finding getting the plumber set. We're going to talk with architecture, going to do everything that we need to to pretty much work it up and then figure out things from there. First thing is to meet code. That's our goal right now. I hear like department.

20:23 – 21:060

Yeah. So, they they all know. Yeah. We just had our inspection I think like last week for electrical and stuff. Um I'm not sure how long it takes for them to to sign off and get that stuff set, but it's underway. And so once you approve all that, they'll get they get for it. Um I I believe so. That's as far as I know. Yeah, I'm stuck. I'm sorry [laughter] because I understand you're saying you got to figure it out from there, but it's not livable space. So, I'm not sure as far as it being a third bowling unit, but I could see it maybe being a duplex for the second. I don't know if that's it's notable space, but they didn't say it's not usable,

21:04 – 21:490

right? But they're still getting plumbers and everything up there. That's still maybe the plumber in order for it to be usable. If I heard you correctly, it's a heating issue, right? Boiler. No. Yeah, there's a boiler there. So, like basically I'm just going to check that. Make sure that everything's good. I missed I missed that piece. Okay. Right. And they're going to bring it up to code. I know they're going to bring everything up to code. Yeah, that I do know. Yeah. So, basically, I think it's going to stay as a duplex and it's it's still the space, but at least like everything's as they checked everything. Basically, we're checking all the boxes that we make sure that um cuz it was basically there before they got it. So, they're just like, "Okay, they they thought it was so we can still use it for something. It's just not

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just to just be like, you know." Yeah. Okay. Cool. Thank you.

21:58 – 22:350

All righty. Um, is there a motion to deny the conditional use permit? So moved. Second. It's been moved and properly seconded uh to deny the conditional [clears throat] use pro permit for was that 84 Madison Avenue. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Motion carry. Good luck with those renovations. M. Oh, yeah. Definitely. We're just going to go with the process and do everything we can. Thank you.

22:36 – 23:160

Next up, folks from the Underground Railroad History Project in the capital region. uh conditional use permit development plan review waiverss for parking and layout design the parking location multiple items we know we've seen pieces of this before uh we'll look [clears throat] to talk about secret and a few of these other pieces but are you Sean yes Sean very nice to see you again um let's go

23:12 – 23:430

all right wonderful to be back. Um Sean Hamlin, managing principal of Hamlin Design Group. Uh we're here to talk about, of course, a very important project. I think one of the more important ones in the region, the Underground Railroad. We have a zoning district, as you know, it's a mixeduse and the near edge. But as we go forward in this project, I'm going to shut up and I'm going to allow our project manager, Kia Fischer, to take us through the presentation.

23:41 – 25:360

Good afternoon or good evening. Sorry. Good evening everyone. So I know we've been through this a couple times before. First of all, I'll just run through this quickly. We are looking at the project location. The first two pictures show standing from Livingston A facing towards the site where the proposed building would be. And the third picture looks um towards Livingston A standing closer to Third Street. And again, the project uh the building the new building will be in mixeduse neighborhood edge. Here we have a site plan showing the building in relation to the other properties around it as well as the Steven and Myers Residence historical house which is on the left side of the sheet. Our proposed interactive center uh will be on the right side. This is [snorts] a floor plan. This is starting at the basement. Starting from the top of the sheet, we have archive space and storage space. Heading down, we have a library, a screening room, a media room, an office space, and then mechanical spaces. On the first floor, starting at the top again, we have the primary entry. As we come into the main exhibit space on the left, you'll see a kids uh educational area to teach them more about the movement uh of teaching by abolition in the city of Albany. On the right side, we have a cafe. And then behind that we have back of house functions which is the kitchen, food storage and grounds maintenance as well as your seating. And again starting at the top of the sheet we have a conference room with a wet bar. It's uh accessed by an elevator just below that which takes you to a lounge offices for the employees. Below that we have one unit for visiting speakers and guests. And below that is the uh onebedroom for the on-site property management.

25:38 – 27:370

So for uh our hours of operation will be Sunday to Saturday 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. 7 employees. The closest similar conditional use is Philip Skyler also tenbrook. It didn't make it onto this. I apologize. Um required permits will be the city building permit, city planning approval, grading, street opening, water and sewer, and because we have the kitchen department of health. We don't anticipate any noise, light or o or o or o or o or o or o or o or o or o or o orders beyond the property boundary and once per day food and equipment delivery. Here we have the site as it is now and in the proposed site plan we have the uh the proposed building and then out we have the geothermal well fields and then we are uh there's a current path that runs between third street and living out that we will be paving and adding green on each side too as well as lighting you're showing in our landscaping plan. Um this is a living building core design. So all of this is native plantings with the idea of um enhancing the environment but also not adding anything to it that would be entrance into it. Then we have the front elevation if you're standing at Livingston app on the left you'll see that's the receiving area. This is the west elevation, the east elevation. and then again these are the floor plans that we showed before the basement first floor second floor. So we anticipate construction to be 14 months. Um there's been ongoing meetings

27:35 – 27:540

with the neighborhood associations and the funding sources have changed since the last time that we were here. We have NAERTA, the Pat Fehey 2024 grant, McDonald Fehey funds, Empire State Development, and monies from the First Presbyterian Church. And as we spoke to before, there's two dwelling units.

27:57 – 28:100

Any questions? Any questions from members? Can you remind me how deep your geothermal?

28:05 – 30:030

400 ft. 400 ft. could do a quick update. Um, this conditioning permit and the DPR conditioning permit is the spark footage of the used cultural facility. Um, we classified the action as unlimited last summer. Um, we did a coordinated review due to the public funding sources. Um so we provided the part two and three of that full environmental assessment form for your review and recommended adoption of the negative declaration. Um with the zoning map amendment that we've done previously property um is now the MU and the front yard max is 10 except for in context and um you went through the area variance process for that with the zoning appeals last fall. So that's all set and that's where that kind of native planting is in the front yard essentially. Um DGS and forestry signed off a while ago. Water department provided comments recently. So I know K the engineer is looking through those currently. Um for the waivers specifically um there are three parking requirement reductions that are applicable. So off street parking spaces um proximity to public transit and mixed use having both the cultural facility and the drilling unit the same. So with all those reductions nine spaces were required um and there are two proposed 2 at the existing space and 28 at the new construction. The waiver is requested for um the minimum off requirement and they provided a management memo as well which included a detailed proposal for school bus drop off that was a question we had

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previously um you know for field trips etc. So that includes the current number of field trips and expected frequency in the future. Um as well inventory of the available on street parking within about a five minute walk. So with all that it seems sufficient. Um so again recommending approval of that waiver and the two ADA spots that are proposed with the new construction are partially in front of the front wall plane. So that's another waiver we recommend approval of just due to the location of the geothermal wells in the rear and the um [cough] [clears throat] it is storm water retention right front garden. that was part of the back [laughter] and um you put the side kind of in those are two waiverss um I mentioned we did coordinate review there's thorough communication with shipo and ongoing due to archaeological studies um so we'll see that in the future but recommend negative declaration approval the two waiverss and due to some uncertainty with funding sources and you know the continuation of the archaeological review. Well, we're recommending a two-year approval rather than a one year for both the conditional use permit and the development plan review with the conditions of final water approval for building permits. And then further on down the line for the certificate of occupancy just to do the lot modification all those little parcels together [clears throat and cough] along with the city and alley.

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[snorts] Any additional questions [cough] or what's the what's the largest sort of uh gathering space as you now reconfigured the the property inside inside the largest gathering space is the main level that is the event space that you see there. Um, if we zoom in, we probably can see the dimensions.

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My eyes are not that good. I can't see anything. [laughter] Less concerned about the square footage, more thinking in terms of actual use. How many folks you think you would want to put in there that let's say it's a fundraiser for Oh. What's the maximum capa capacity? What's the capacity? Depending upon the setup, uh you can easily fit uh about 300 people. Oh wow. Two to 300 people depending upon the setup. Um top [clears throat] tables networking. Yeah. 300 people. Yeah. Okay.

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That's about seven square feet per person. Um we're we're probably just a little shy of that because you're a little shy of 2100, but you're pretty close. Let's say 250. Gotcha. This event is happening on a Friday evening. Where the heck does everybody park that's coming to support the institution if we don't have any parking?

33:21 – 34:140

Well, where they would come to park, what we've number one shown in our study is there is an excessive amount of street parking along Livingston Avenue along Third Street. Um that is within [clears throat] walking distance. The chart that we showed in our engineers report includes quite [snorts] a few. Most of the neighborhood are the residents who we are concerned about primarily have off streetet parking. There are parking their driveways uh that they have available but for the bulk of uh individuals they would park on the streets. Let me rephrase my question and ask essentially the second one that's a very real one. Metropolitan Church is having revival, trying to see the revival [laughter]

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and it's Friday night and you want to have your fundraiser that [snorts] same. It slipped your mind to talk to Pastor Johnson to try to coordinate this thing. It's the same day. Where are your folks parking? Not in their free parking. Yes, they are well equipped with parking.

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We certainly are. But um I'm not concerned about Metro's parking. I'm concerned about yours. So, when we went through the weekday parking, um, they did a study from 4:00 to 5:00 p.m., which we know is pretty much prime time, and there was still 112 spots on Livingston. And between Livingston, Third Street, Second Street, First Bird Street, Colony Street, Lark Street, and North Swan, which is all about a 5minute walking distance, we got about 270 average available parking spaces. Say those streets again between where and where? colony living first, second, third lark colony in North so similar places have similar issues in notic

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is what I've seen and that's something not often that's something the owners did definitely talk about opportunities for busing or valet service when needed so the underground railroad have has had numerous conversations uh within the Arbor Hill area to maximize that. Those haven't been sealed. Can't present to you that they have been sealed, but those conversations have been had

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as someone who has street parking only. Those conversations are really important, right? Because then what ends up happening is sometimes people end up just blocking off parking for the events and all of a sudden it's like an after. You haven't thought about it. They block off like the whole street and residents can't park. So as great as an event as it is, you do coexist with residents, right? Yeah. Absolutely. residential piece the haven't had to deal with [clears throat] participating in the church stuff where I see that parking lot explode something like a funeral

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be quite comfortable parallel parking that doesn't do it right so they it's a mess and don't let there be snow [laughter] right exactly That's just something to think about going forward is and a space like this is so important right you want to have events there people to come to it but you the parking you're really thinking about mostly on the Livingston side yes right mostly on the Livingston side [clears throat] or the second or second

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no you're right about 98% of those houses have off- streetet parkings, but a lot of them are duplex houses with the off- streetet parking being a garage and in a single car driveway. So, if you have, let's say, four adults and one duplex house, you have two of those half those cars on the street. It's you can't park like so. It's every other. Right. Right. So, it's not that much parking on the street with a curve. Right. on their side they have more but on the opposite side not so much. That's where a lot of the residential houses are is on the opposite side. And it's permited there, right?

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No, it's not. No, you guys have that lovely. Yeah, you have you have that lovely benefit. They won't extend the permit outside of center square. There's a whole lot of issues I have around that. But yeah, [laughter] I don't know that. Well, there's there's permit parking in Bron in front of the mayor's house. Back to what I was saying. [laughter] [gasps]

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Thank you, Mary. Hi, Mary. Um I just wanted to mention as well in terms of the parking issue we have internally had conversations uh at underground railroad education center about the possibility of arranging for what we're expecting you know crowds such as what was been suggested here arranging for use of a u a trans transport van so that folks can park in the downtown [clears throat] parking lots and then we would arrange for transport back and forth between the lot and the interpretive center so as to not negatively impact on on our neighbors. So I just wanted to share that as well. Thank you. Any relationship with church?

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No, other than friends in the neighborhood but our attendees there and we we've had ongoing uh you know interaction around you know ads and our promotional materials and things back and forth over the years. So the kids in partic five actions here. Let's go through them one by one. [clears throat] Is there a motion for a negative declaration for secret? So moved.

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Second. It's been moved and seconded for negra. All in favor, please say I. I. Next, we have two waiver approvals waiver on section 375-452C for minimum off streetet parking. Is there a motion for send waver? Second. It's been moved and seconded for the middle of off streetet parking waiver. All in favor, please say I. I. I. [clears throat and cough]

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Second approval is for section 375-455B. I parking layoff design for the parking location. Is there a motion for a waiver for the parking location? So move. Second. It's been moved and seconded to approve the waiver for the parking location. All in favor, please say I. I. [clears throat] For the conditional use permit, is there a motion for two-year approval for conditional you conditional [clears throat] use permit number 0083? So moved. Second.

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It has been moved and seconded for a two-year approval of the conditional use permit 0083. All in favor, please say I. I. I. And [clears throat and cough] our last approval is approval of the development plan review for two years for number 0226 with the conditions that prior to the issuance of the building permit final approval shall be obtained from the department of water and water supply. Condition one. Condition two. Prior to the issuance of the certificate of occupancy, a lot modification appro approval is required for the consolidation of tax lots lots as listed on the screen and in the report uh with required city- owned alley known as tax slot 65.74-1-36. Is there approval for the two-year Is there a motion for approval for two-year development plan review 0226 with conditions as written?

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So moved. It's been moved and seconded to uh approve the development plan review for two years. Uh all in favor, please say I. I. [clears throat] Thank you. Thank you. This is a huge milestone. Thank you.

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[clears throat] Last. [clears throat and cough] This is for 55 mil road development plan review. Niagara Mohawk aka National Grid. Are you Allison? I am. Yes. Hi Alison. Hello. You guys are looking for to replace and upgrade existing public utilities minor or gas distribution assets at national grids existing skill station lower by expensive. [laughter] We'll keep you safe. Going up.

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Keep keep warm. Going up. All right. The floor is yours.

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Great. Thank you all. Um, you may recall we were here a couple of months ago doing some work at the same location, 55 Mil Road. Um, that was a project for um, a portion of our existing natural gas pipeline replacement. That was an emergency measure due to some um, land movement activity in the area. This project we have before us tonight um um is to um for an upgrade of our existing gas regulator station. Um so same property location, different project. Um for this project we are upgrading the existing natural gas regulator station. Um there'll be several improvements made. um installation of new um above grade valves, a second regulator station would be installed on the site, new controls, new control cabinets, uh replacement of the existing regulator station that is there and also replacement of the water bath, heater and electrical service and also some of the perimeter fencing. Um this is an existing condition sheet that's taken from our plan set. Um I do have um Andrew Kr here who's the project manager from National Grid who can take us through just some highlights on um the existing condition sheet and then next we'll have the proposed site plan just land Andrew. Yeah. So this site that takes the location from BH gas transmission. Um the next slide here show 45 pound regulator station. Uh due to reliability and concerns we are looking to have a 24 pound regular station in uh to reduce any risk of a low pressure situation in high demand situation or high demand conditions which would typically revolve around extremely cool temperatures. Uh the so you can see it's there the B the black buildings and the rectangular buildings are the existing GH buildings. Um we are planning and

45:25 – 47:250

tying to that. Um on the BHE side there's a new riser structure where new demarcation point where their assets uh tie to ours. The existing pink or I guess the pink uh piping shown would be the new uh valve which is valve 2901 to the right of the rightmost regular cabinet in pink. There's going to be following that that pipeline will run into the 45 pound regular cabinet as well as split and and run into the 24 pound regular cabinet. Um both regular systems will share the same water bath heater um which is shown down and notated by the station heater. Uh both systems will have the same relief and we'll be tying into pipeline E29 and E30 respectively. And then here you can see our proposed proposed disturbance plan. Uh the orange indicates a temporary workspace agreement. Um, and you might recall this looks similar to what was utilized for the E30 HD project. A little bit smaller footprint here just in the nature of the construction with it being a station as opposed to a pipeline job. Um, the green on the left hand side of the station there, that is a uh the relief location which we're looking to seek a permanent easement for. Um and then the pink is the agreement with permanent agreement with BH and then the blue is for um a permanent with the Albony water. So the property is located in the land conservation district also located in the Norman skill overlay. Um and so due to the area of disturbance, the amount of disturbance, that's why we're triggering the site development plan review. Um just some additional information on our PowerPoint. We do plan to stick to the um 7 to 7 construction hours. Um however, we do intend to seek a waiver from the building department for activities that you know have to continue on uh you know

47:24 – 49:230

if the work is progressing and they have to continue on past those hours. Um we will seek a waiver from the building department to allow that work to go forward. You know, one example is you know mandatory 24-hour pressure testing. You know, you can't stop it in the middle of it. Um we did seek a similar waiver for the PLE30 project. Um my understanding is that we would do that after um completing our planning board review process and uh before applying for our building. Um we also know that maintaining the public access to the um community areas around the project site are also important. Um we note during the periods of material delivery, truck and equipment egress and egress um will be controlled um so that there's only you know temporary impacts where we'll hold traffic to allow um you know those uh necessary truck movements to happen and then you know um allow the uh ingress and egress to resume. Uh we did include a traffic control plan uh with our project submission. We have one sheet from it here. [clears throat] Um and that has been uploaded to the um online project portal. Um thus far we have received some written comments. I I believe the project is still undergoing department review. Um we have received some uh comments from the engineering department and um were offered the opportunity to participate in a recent uh technical uh review uh committee meeting which was really helpful. just kind of explaining the interplay between this and the prior project we had at the location. Um so we're able to give some verbal responses on the department of engineering comments at that time and we did submit a written you know um comment response document just to close that loop. Um we also have received comments from the city um water department. Um, we've provided a partial response to those comments, including an updated SWIP, a full storm water pollution prevention

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plan, and um, revised erosion and sediment control plans. Um, there are still a few comments we're working through from the water department that relate specifically to the site plan sheets. Um, and we're hoping to reach out to see if um, the folks at the water department would have a call with us just to clarify some of those comments so we can provide a final response. Um, where are you going to put your the earth that you removed from the site? Um, that's partially dictated by contractor means and methods. Okay. So, they're going to be

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Yeah. So, spoils will be stored on site on the mass. Um, and as will be indicated by the erosion setup control plan. Okay.

50:05 – 52:040

So, it'll be within the disturbance there. Okay. Um, we're calling a 55 mil road, but just as a note, it does kind of encompass those extra parcels as you saw on the map. Um, and as Alpha noted, the area obviously has those active farm recreational pathways. So, um, they've done a good job open current construction. So, that would just be the same in the future. Um, and the Norman scope overlay. It does have that different threshold. That's why it's develop review. Um but the action itself is classified as type two under seeker. Um I'm the wrong spot. It was referred to as all county planning board. Um and they recommended to town Bethlehem under the other general municipal law which we had already done. Um so we sent both a physical mail and email to them on October 3rd. Um receive comment but we did the same thing for the previous work as well. Um as Al mentioned for the operation of heavy machinery there's a specific time frame um so we go through the same thing. I imagine that this one also doesn't really need to build permit because of that structure issue. So it's just something we'll um you reach out when that time comes reach out and go through that. Um as far as the co- compliance um as we mentioned the access will be maintained um and the traffic control plan has been provided. There's currently you know that like dirt deck material over the emergency roadway to kind of strengthen it for the heavy vehicles. So something similar would be used um and the roadway would be restored at a future date. Um the current easements are good for 16 months, but if any changes would need to

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be made. Yeah. And the current easements also just touch upon I think uh the marshalling yard if I remember. Does that sound familiar to you? Um so if there's any areas outside of that obviously agreement. Yeah, that's correct. Like our real estate was reaching out shortly here to get those new agreements in place.

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Yeah. And then otherwise really most of the code does not apply because there's no new structure and no parking. forward as far as [snorts] um water department um was in last week comments and then yesterday um for water department comments and happy to reach out connection that just talk through a little bit more.

52:54 – 53:230

Sounds great. um PGS and engineering those comments kind of over overlapped and we did discuss them um and the response today in the application portal and then justifying code. So because we're still working through that at this time we just recommend no action or deferral. Um, but I assume when the time comes.

53:31 – 54:010

Any questions from the board? Is there a motion to defer development plan review PRP 2025-31? So moved. Second. Move the second to defer development plan review. All in favor, please say I. I. All right. Great. Hope to see you all back soon. Thank you. Thank you.

54:04 – 54:490

I may not have gotten the one up from yesterday, but I saw the water department. Okay. I'm just curious. We did just upload it, I think Friday. Um, and it's a partial response to those comments. They had kind of in their one comment letter, they had comments on the SWIP and then comments on the site. So, we did provide a response to the comments on the SWIP with an updated SWIP and updated erosion sediment control plan. And we do intend to supplement it with [clears throat] response to the Yeah. And I believe that's the only remaining comments left to be addressed. We're done.

54:490

Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

55:010

[clears throat]

55:06 – 55:500

um with the change in board members moving obviously don't currently have a vice chair board so we just that motion is made so that in the event All right. So, Shy, I think uh you wasn't Jasine. Somebody said I was jacking up your last name. So, we need to fix that. [laughter] You were jacking it up.

55:47 – 56:310

So, give me the enthmology. Now, pronounce it phonetically for me so that when we make this motion, Yes. it could be Correct. Pristine, I'm gonna I'm gonna do it in the You got to tell us the history. Give us the history, too. Let's see if you can do that. So, I do. [laughter] If you can't do that, you So, in good old Ohio English, that K is silent. No, it's tough.

56:27 – 57:120

It's just the H style, [clears throat] but the reality is KH is one letter. So, okay. So, [clears throat] I move that shi and look at the words. It's literally like H A D I Yep. become the vice chair of city of Albony Planning Board. Is there a second? Second. I second. [laughter] It has been moved and seconded. All in favor, please say I. I. Motion carried. No.

57:14 – 57:260

Oh, yeah. Absolutely there is not. Okay. Motion to adjurnn. So moved. All right. Without objection, meeting will adjourn [clears throat] at 6:50 p.m.

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