Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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You're just in time. Excellent. We'll overlook that. David, you heard there. Um, yeah, they had an appointment. So, I'm okay. She she may be joining maybe by Z. All right. Well, I call to order the the Albert County Planning and Zoning Commission regular meeting for May 13. And we'll begin the roll call. Rick here. Ros here. I'm here. And Barb is not Um, may I have a motion to approve the agenda?

I move that we approve the agenda as is. I second. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. Motion carries. May I have a motion for approval of both sets of minutes? I move that we uh approve both sets of minutes. Uh I appreciate having the minutes on uh April 8th because I was not here and I was able to follow nicely. So thank you. Excellent. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. I. Motion carries. Um any disclosures of conflicts interest? No.

Fern nothing either. So uh David, let's have the pedex of for sander second filing third edition sub permit final application SD-06-25. Okay. All right, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. Um, so the applicant is Inberg Miller Engineering. Um, owner of the property is Point North LLC. The request is for approval of a final platinum subdivision permit. Um, the property is currently zoned industrial. Wait, we're doing the panic in Fort Sanders.

Oh, sorry. Okay, I I had the wrong one pulled up, so I apologize. Um, let's

let's go back. Um, so um applic engineering. Um, skipped ahead. Um the the request is for a um sub or a a major subdivision. There's throughout the the the application in the this report it says 24 lots, but there's actually 25 lots which was pointed out to me by um our own chair of this commission. Um the the zoning is urban residential. Um just a little background, a preliminary plat for Paddex at Fort Sanders, second filing subdivision permit application was approved by the board of county commissioners in 2019. Um then the approval of the first addition to that new preliminary plan occurred in 2019. Um and then a second addition was approved in 2023. um project. To summarize the project, they're requesting um to add 24 lots to the paddics at Fort Sanders second filing. This addition will be an extension include the extension of utilities and roads to serve each lot. Water and sewer um water will be provided by the South Laram Water and Sewer District. Um and wastewater will be handled by the installation of individual septic systems on each lot. Um roads will be uh Arch Kelly Heights road will extend to the east where it will connect with the section of Garrison Lane that will be built as part of this phase of the

paddics um Fort Sanders finally. And plans for these improvements have been reviewed. Access will be provided to subdivision from city ranch road which intersects with highway 287. Um road maintenance the roadways within this phase of the subdivision will be maintained by the paddics improvement district. Fire protection hydrants will be installed along arterial height artillery heights road and garrison lane. The subdivision provided a fire access exhibit showing an unimproved route that follows where future um Garrison Lane will connect with Artillery Heights Road for a second ingress ingress in the event of a fire. Um water rights um there were water rights associated with this this property, but they have been addressed. Um there's covenants that exist um to with for for this subdivision as a whole. However, these lots have not been included will need to be included and that is done um with the filing of the plat. They do at the same time they'll file um an amendment to the covenants to include these lots. Um and financial assurance has been provided. Um a number of reviews were received. Um the county engineer reviewed this and all of his concerns were addressed. Army Rivers Conservation District um Katie Wine, district manager commented on soil degradation, erosion, land disturbance, invasive speed, weeds, and uh reclamation. She recommends minimizing land disturbance and reclaiming disturbed areas with native grass and shrub species. Um, Larry Rivers Conservation District will provide information on native grass seeds upon request. Her full comments can be seen in the review section.

Taylor and Mort also reviewed this from Wyoming Department of Transportation and requested updated traffic impact study. He also noted the upcoming project to widen Highway 287. Um, the city of Laramie, Dennis Johnson Jr., division chief fire marshal complimented that subdivision does not meet the 2024 international fire code appendix D concerning secondary access. Um so the analysis the applicant has provided a complete final plat application including all required documentation and reports and amendment to the existing covenants will need to be filed to include the proposed additional lots. A traffic impact study was provided with the preliminary plat as may be required by the board of county commissioners. Um the preliminary plat was approved with the study that was provided. Final plat follows the preliminary plat with no change to the proposed number of lots. Um one other thing to note is I did receive a call from department environmental quality state. Um they mentioned that there's a pending application there that hasn't been fully approved. They're waiting on some corrections to a permit that they've they've um that they require. Um and to note that that is not a requirement of our regulations that this be approved. What's what's required is a chapter 23 report that is approved which was done during the preliminary plat stage in 2019. um they received a recommendation of uh or a non-adverse recommendation. Um the other thing is we do require the plans for um the water system which was also provided and reviewed by the county engineer. Um and so everything that's required in our regulations has been provided. However, I just did want to note that I did receive a call from DEEQ that that

permit is still outstanding. It hasn't been approved. Um so um staff recommends approval of this application with the with one commission that they amend the existing covenants for the paddics of Fort Sanders to include the lots within this final plat and record them with before the vinyl plat is filed. Um and I'd be happy to answer questions about this application that I can answer. Um I know that one of the owners of the property and um Flint um from Ingred Miller Engineering is here to represent and answer any questions as well. So Bern, you have any questions for staff?

Um yeah, and maybe just clarification, there were several things that were mentioned as being missing that the traffic study and the covenant update. Um and and those are all in the works or not subject to our approval. So tell me that again.

Yeah. So the traffic study was provided in 2017. Well actually was completed in 2017. In 2019 when the preliminary plat was filed um that that traffic study was included with that application sent to review by Wyoming Department of or Wyoming Department of Transportation which um the district engineer uh or district traffic engineer I think it was at the time said that this is fine. um there was there was a little bit difference in in the number of lots but it wouldn't be significant and they would accept that traffic study. So there was a traffic study study or provided and approved by or reviewed at least by Wyoming Department of Environ or transportation. Um and so um that fulfilled the requirement um at that time to to do that and that that preliminary plat obviously goes along with this final plat. Um obviously some years later we're now seeing this final plat. Um but nothing really changed since then. same amount of of lots that was approved in 2019 um is is being proposed here and nothing's changed with the vinyl platform the preliminary in that way. So

Okay. And and then the covenants we don't technically deal with covenants but we do require covenants they have with Yes. Yeah. So and they will just need to to amend those to include these lots. So covenants exist for the rest of the subdivision. They will just need to be amended to include the lots that are in this proposal. And and you're suggesting that we approve it conditional upon those.

Correct. Yeah. Then under the findings necessary the I think we've played with this paragraph times past do we have to talk to the city and answers no. But then it invites us to the extent practical. The board of commissioners show the plan meets the is consistent with the city county land user comprehensive plans. But then there wasn't a staff analysis of how it related to the comprehensive plan. So what what am I what am I missing there?

So that's required when it's within one mile of the city boundaries. The whole exposure to the comprehensive plan is is part of that onem boundary business rather than being a generic requirement. That's yes it's part of the onem boundary. Okay. Outside the one mile boundary we would have made that analysis at the zoning stage. Where was this thing exposed to the comprehensive plan? I mean it would have been at the zoning stage. Okay. So then only with respect to the donut would that come back in. Correct. Okay. Uh then just a final point maybe needs to be added. There's a reference in here to appendix A which is the the 2019 DEEQ letter.

Okay. Uh it isn't I didn't find it in it wasn't in there. Okay. So maybe just go back and yeah I can years and years ago but it would make this more sure to that that letter. Yeah. That's all I have to correct. Okay. Thank you, Ralph. I have a couple of questions. Um, the paddock is already partially built and this is an addition to it, correct?

Uh, so and it's increasing the number of septic tank well systems by 24. Is there any uh reason to actually have the whole subdivision invest in a waste water facility? because it seems like a lot of septic in a small location. Um that I don't think is within our purview to require. Mhm.

Um so with the DEEQ study that was done with the preliminary plat um they addressed what they were proposing for the wastewater study. they okayed it, said it was an honor recommendation. Um, and so allowed them to go forward with like I think there's a couple of notes that needed to be added. Um, so I don't think at this stage in the game that is something that we could require. Um, but yeah, and also the fire hazard. Um the city commented that there are no two exits and I saw in your report that uh two track lane would be used as a second ingress on a fire hazard. Is that correct?

Correct. That was provided with a previous application may have been the preliminary plat. Um they provided um the location of of this secondary access in the case of fire. Is it possible with a sedan type vehicle right now? I mean once it's built because I haven't driven it so I don't know. Maybe that's a question to the owner. Yeah. Right now is Garrison open? Is it gated off or not? Garrison Garrison's open. Yeah. So we'll find the one that goes from north to south I believe. Also,

the one on the just I probably should look at the map just to make sure that I'm looking at the right road. This is such a long pressure ungated right now. Yeah, I believe it is if it's that one that's kind of towards the east of the property. It is. Yeah. And it should remain open. It's actually on the major street plan as a collector arterial or something. So,

so now there will be once that's extended, it'll be two complete roads without going out. Okay, that's all I had. So, uh, following up on on Richard Benav's question, so that original DEQ non adverse that was for the the whole subdivision that had subsequently coming in as sub filings. It was for for the the preliminary plat that was filed in 20 or approved in 2019. Yes. But it included all the lots including these ones. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Well, uh, you want anything else for staff? No. Okay. Let's hear from that representative

commission pollson with family coffee. So, everybody has that context. Um, I'd be happy to ask ask answer any questions you guys have. Um, you have anything? No. Um yeah, this just reminder because this is of course gone on forever and ever and ever. There was a time when the when the the fire ingress egress was through a locked gate and the fire walk us through that if you would please. Sure, I would. Um so as you know how road is a mount cement road

and applicant has tried to to be neighborly and and access that but mount cement would not let allow that. So since this so there's no way to access that with the lock gate because of mount cement on a and so I've done a lot of research on this is that there is both a mount easement and a county easement there but they're kind of offset a little bit. So Mount Sman's ement is grand is older than the county's ement so men maintains it. So they control it as you will.

Not saying that that that's not right or anything, but that's why we don't have I mean this was brought up um at our previous filing, you know, that there was not two accesses, but there's really our hands are tied, but but now there will be two two accesses.

But we're not we're not building the road. We're just building it for um phase three, the second filing. We're not building. We're doing the water line there to tie in close to the center and the west the south water vehicle to provide you know there. So with that we've we'll be able to do a construction there. So there will be it'll look less like just prairie and more like you know that somebody's been there you know to get the berry links and that kind of thing with the water line but it's not technically I mean it won't be through that block that gate facility that we talked about no that's down

okay thank you and I don't have anything so thank you is it whatever it's going to be will be passable with a lower uh sitting vehicle. Um as a second ingress, I'm I'm just I'm in the process of putting ingress windows in my basement. Sure. No. Um I guess on a nice sunny day. It's not going to be, you know, all weather road. It's just going to be just rough um dirt. So yeah, you could on a nice day if it's muddy or snowing. No. Okay.

Because that that's not where we're at with this part of the subdivision. We're stopping at a portion of Garrison Road. Are we worried about the safety of the people who will be Well, again, I I bring this to you guys cuz you're the county. And if we want this, we're going to have to negotiate with uh Mountain Cement to get that secondary. At at the point now, we only have access to city ranch. Gotcha. Thank you. Sorry, I missed you. Okay, just one more time around that bar, but that meets our requirement for two

because of the grandfathering. Yes. Okay. Well, the the preliminary plat it was approved and that's when that requirement is comes into play. So, but if this came in today from the very start, it would be newly. Yeah, it would we would have that. Yes. Okay. Correct. So, this is the timing. Yes. Okay. That's what I thought. Thank you. Okay. Well, thank you. Um Okay. So, let's have a public hearing here. Is there anyone here present who wishes to speak on this particular application?

Anyone? Nope. In that case, may I have a motion to close the public hearing? Unless Is there anyone online who wants to speak on this? I don't think there is. No. Okay. So, may I have a motion to close the public hearing? I move that we close the public hearing. Discussion. I motion carries. Okay. Our discussion beginning with burn. Uh, no further comment.

Yeah. I think I'm a little concerned about the file situation, but uh if we uh conditionally the staff recommends, it might be enough time.

I don't see any other reason not to for this. I'm just concerned about file. We have three, four, five grass files.

Yeah. Yeah, we are. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just um again the timing here. There's a little bit of a fall on this guard. I wish we didn't have to deal with the but it's not we can't do anything about that. Is there any way we can condition on making sure that that road second address road is removable passable? Can could we add that to the condition David? Um, I mean it's outside of the actual final plat, so I'm not sure do that or not,

but it provides a safety egress and for fire equipment, emergency vehicles coming in or people having to get out when the absolute worst happens, right? And I understand Rob's point. We've been looking at this. We've mentioned it now. It It's something that I I drive a big four-wheel drive.

But I look at the people who live around me and there's little dog. And those people once one or two of those cars get stuck trying to evacuate, it doesn't matter what the next vehicle is, they're not going to be able to get around just like putting a stop and just

One thing I would note is that I do not believe that we received any comments. ments from Albony County Fire District number one who's the fire district having authority in the area. So I don't know I don't know their thoughts on it. So um can we reach out to them and ask them? I mean they've already received the application. Okay, but they haven't responded.

Well, let's think about this for a second. There's two dangers here. The fire out there structural damage and burn the risks all together as they see it. And given that prair out there and nature par

a fire sweeping through could under the right circumstance easily, you know, burn down homes. Um I've been out the fire woods like that where you could just cross the fire line and you might get hot. Uh but uh I don't know that it's I would be more personally worried about also notic um so my view is is that that would not be a reason to not approve this now and I don't think we need to discuss it here at this meeting but there's perhaps an additional step that could take with regard to the gate that's probably locked. Um, and I'd be happy to discuss that with the president's association.

So, my thoughts would be that they go ahead and lose this with the condition. Uh, and um, perhaps we could have David also bring up this issue. Uh I mean the commission of it and they can give us some food of thought and he wants to

yeah I was just ask Mr. I guess my perhaps I'm trying to simplify it is that going forward we would require that and it would be consist but the uh regulations under which this is operating do not include that. So I would ask Mr. Do we do we have any jurisdiction to require additional access ingress?

So generally my advice is that conditional approval needs to be related to applicable requirements. Um conditional approval is not appropriate for making ad hoc requirements. um that it's to be done through the the regulatory amendment process. So if I understand what you're saying correctly, we can do whatever I want to, we would be uh perhaps on less than a secure jurisdictional footing were we to condition it on additional access.

Correct. because it's not it's not related to, you know, an existing finding like for a conditional use permit. Um or uh yeah or well really any any applicable stuff. It's essentially just ad hoc legislating. Yeah. And legislation that we did follow through on bring in the subdivisions just so we've addressed it in the future, but this one is operating under less enlightened regulations. Thank you.

Any further discussion? Uh all I would say that I hope that developers consider that as an issue that would be important to them because if we lose lives over this it will be on our conscious I'm looking for a motion now.

I'm having trouble reading any dirt these days. I can do it. Go ahead.

If it's easier, I can do it. So we recommend that the board of county commissioners approve the patter standard second filing third edition subdivision final plot and subdivision current application SD065 adopting and incorporating the staff analysis final fact and conclusions of law as each are stated in a staff report along with the following additional conditions that The uh existing covenants are amended for the paddocks to include the lots within the final plaque and recall them before the final is filed.

Thank you. Second. Any further discussion? We'll clue on the motion. You do a public hearing. Yes, we no discussion for In that case, we'll vote. Um Craig R. I and I vote I also carries.

Okay. So now uh point subdivision. All right. Um so the applicant for this is Miller. Um, the owner is Point Worth LLC. The property is owned industrial. They're asking for a major subdivision. Um, 71.13 acres. Um, billionaire plat application for the subdivision permit was approved by board commissioners on November 4th, 2025. Um, the applicant is proposing to create a 15 lot subdivision within their 713 acres averaging 4.73 acre per lot. Water and sewer will be provided by wells and septic systems. Uh, storm drainage report was provided and reviewed by Jake Schneider, county engineer. um utilities are available in the area. Um

no new roads are being proposed in this application. Access is going to be um access will be from PUV road which is a county road. Um and then fire protection for this area is Albby County Fire District 1. Fencing plan was provided with the initial application. Surface writed water rights associated with the property have been addressed. The applicant provided covenants and financial assurance is not provided because no new roads are being proposed. Um there's a number of folks that reviewed this one. We see um the county chair Jake Schneider made made a number of comments that were addressed. Um Rob Fischer, superintendent of county road and bridge common PFD road. Um how has a very low volume it's very low volume road with little maintenance needs. Um and Katy Wine the district manager at Larry Rivers Conservation District commented on the soil degra potential soil degradation erosion um land disturbance invasive weeds and reclamation. W dot reviewed this. Taylor McCort District traffic engineer commented any works work in the white dot rightway will require proper permitting. He also noted that they're having discussions between white dot and the applicant concerning a new approach on 287. His full comments can be reviewed. City of Larmy, Philip Gavatuler, uh, planning manager commented on the Larmy growth area plan, utilities and fire protection and code. See does not recommend approval of the final plaque unless annexation occurs. All comments can be seen under section.

Why the department of biological quality Dennis Lewis anonymous recommendation notice the owners analysis. The applicants provided a complete final plat application including all required documentation and reports. have access to the road. staff recommends approval of the application um incorporating new staff analysis back law as stated in the staff reports. One is the uh storm drains and how are we going to make sure no contaminants go into because the drainage is straight. I know that incredible transfer too. So may not be a big issue but have that been addressed. Then the other one is what is it? What expectations are for testing the wells for water quality? Uh what are availability? What uh what are the well testing needs? um what they're asking for the well testing to be.

Um believe the condition have to look at the plat I guess we'll answer the first one. Um I mean the storm drainage plan was provided and reviewed by the county engineer and approved. Um I guess any other details maybe ask the applicant they might be able to provide details about where the drainage is going. Um, and then the other one

the note says on the plat requires after domestic will installation. and prior to use. Wyoming Department of Department of Quality WQD recommends that

homeowners um have their well sampled for the following constituents total dissolved solids and sulfates. Court acknowledges that treatment for TDS and sulfates will be required before human consumption. So they require them to test for those things prior to using Well, they're not requiring. They're recommending they do these things. What if the water is bad? I wouldn't drink. They build a home. We Well, they build a homes and they dug all these well and paid tens of thousands of dollars and then they can't use the water.

Well, these aren't homes. M

that's that's why the note is on here to I think you know bring to the attention of any potential buyers of lots um that there may not be good wells out here. So, um, Dr. Beware, I guess. I mean, we get to approve something that may actually really hurt people in a long run and they will be, you know, after paying so much money after they pay so much money to buy the land and put the wells in, uh, they found out that they're not usable, you know, then what? I mean it it seems a little odd to me that this is the way we conduct business. I would have liked to see and I know it's not currently in our regulations but I would like to see maybe a change to a regulation that the applicant has to show by digging a sample well in on a property that actually is water.

Right? You see what I'm saying? Um yeah and so usually the note is on the final plat is that no proposed centralized water is provided. So um there are other options. There are many people that plant sistns in the ground um to provide water. Um I understand all of that. I just don't know if we have the authority to do that since department of environmental quality they're the ones that that regulate water quality. Right. So, um I don't know if that's something we can add or not, but that I mean we can definitely consider that, but

it would be nice if we did because you know we are put in a position to approve a plan for something without having all information, the relevant information about it. And it I feel uncomfortable causing damage to whoever my next NATOs will be by having them buy the place and only then find out that the water is normal. It would be nice if they made a decision to buy or not based on all the information available,

right? And maybe that's something VEQ needs to do is to add to their chapter 23 report requirements is to test for water quality. Um I Okay. So is there something we can do like a letter to them to propose something like that? I mean if this this commission would like to do that. Absolutely. I think this commission is required to do that if for no other reason being good people. I mean, we need to

I have to agree. I would feel very bad somebody spends thousands of dollars on a lot and get X number of money into it and all of a sudden, oh, we can't live here because the water's bad. Um, very few people can afford that kind of investment and bounce back from because nobody's going to want that property afterwards. Sure. And I will note that this is industrial property and not resial. So, this is industrial property here. You could build a house in an industrial zone. Yeah, that's always going to happen here. You put in a business in an industrial zone with bathrooms and sinks and water and there is people living down there.

I don't know how they're getting their water in that vicinity. Yeah. No, I mean clearly some things are possible here. Yes. The intent here is also as I understood it from what baby coffee told us this earlier. Uh now this is for industrial uses which is surprising given the location of the properties. Oh yeah. All the way by the river instead of the way. Oh it's not surprising I don't think because it's industrial they did the um it's not resial. That would be surprising if

any but uh these comments about well we should be asking for something more fine uh we should take that out um and and stick with what we have at hand with this application we're asking questions of stuff. Yeah my turn. Yeah. So go ahead. Um see so read that statement on the plat recommendations and requirements that was oddly worded. Um the domestic will yeah okay recommend the sear restarts. Yeah.

Uh well this is I'll just read what it says. Um it doesn't say anything about DEQ but this is what they were required to be or recommended to be on the plot. After domestic well installation and prior to use, the Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality, WDEQ, okay, this is where or WQD recommends that homeowners have their well sampled for the following constituents, total dissolved solids and sulfates. The submitted report acknowledges that treatment for TDS and sulfates will be required before human consult consumption. So, I guess it sounds like the report said that there already is this stuff in the water. So, if you're going to use it or well, I mean, it's there's notification here that there's there could be problems. So, maybe they already did do well testing with the reporter.

Well, well, it's the word requirement that I mean, I guess DEQ said put this on the plat, but they're recommending and then they say required and that's wrong. Yeah. Well, okay. The DEQ is not requiring is our understanding. Is that your understanding? Correct. Sounds like they're recommending the requirement attached to their non-adverse recommendation.

Am I required to test or not? My understanding be not. it was a recommendation and the whole DEEQ analysis is a recommendation. So, I'm choking on the word require and thinking that that shouldn't be put on the plat because it suggests a requirement that's not correct. Um, now if we don't put it on the plat there has to be something done to say that we didn't follow DEEQ recommendation basically. Yeah, there's a language on the plat statuto required.

Yeah. Yeah, there's different language that they put on there, but so so I guess my concern is that as if anybody reads the plat before they buy the PL, but let's assume they do they how are they to read that? Are they going to come to you then and ask them or or can we can we edit DEQ's suggested language for legal clarity and legitimacy? Uh this this is wrong. I mean yeah I don't know.

I would say that I mean they're they're the authorities so we put what might we ask them to reconsider their recommended plat language? This is all kind of contorted. I just hate to leave something on the record. You could, but now the clock is ticking that you've received their recommendation. Yeah, it needs to go on to like commission 30 days

and then if they don't make a decision in time, then it just gets approved. Um, well, I guess I'm wondering if there's a gentler point that out to them and might they tell us, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, that we we misstated our suggestion." Does it is that is that worth? I think it's it's a it's a requirement within their recommendation. So, that legally you think it would fall within their recommendation. Yeah. But I mean this is something that we that the county has adopted in the past whenever there is that recommendation that is is how it proceeds.

Yeah. I I I guess I just think it's a mistake on DEQ's part. Maybe that's where my concern resolves and can we take this opportunity to invite them to correct their mistake. What would the correction be? It would be recommended. Is it required? you replace that second word with recommendation which is a is a very different implication than required and that would be consistent with my understanding at least of their posture.

Yeah. And uh and with the chapter 23 report that was done to to my colleagues comments here um those are wastewater water wastewater suitability studies and the consultant correctly said this water is not very cherry stuff. Um now is that grounds for an adverse opinion from DQ? Answer no or they would have given us an adverse. Is that grounds for us denying or conditioning a permit again or per again? My answer would be no that we don't have that kind of jurisdiction and right

and we we as Mr. G pointed out earlier the county has and I think will continue to approve subdivisions that do not have a a ready quality water supply. uh a lot of people west of town have to haul water because there is not groundwater available to them. Um so I don't think we want to make that a condition of approval of a subdivision and that we meet ourformational burden by advising the buyers that this is an issue

adopting the recommendation of DEQ. adopting the recommendation of DEEQ. Uh, not a requirement. And I don't I'm not aware of any statute that would give anybody authority to require certain water quality for domestic wells. You you can drink dirty dish water if you want to. Yeah. But again, our obligation is to let you know that's what you're doing. Unless it's a communal water system.

Right. Right. And that's a that's a different story. But this is subdivisioning brought forward with individual wells and septics. And so it really is a buyer beware, proceed your own risk with the EQ recommending that the plat include this this uh advisor warning, this advisory. So, so I I think that we proceed with approval, but again, I I I choke on that that word requirement. Now, Mr. says that standard legal interpretation would be that it's nested within the recommendation. Hold up, then we can proceed.

I I think it's just a mistake by DEQ. It's not an issue. It It says here homeowners and residential uses are not allowed in industrial zoning. Oh, now you can Well, that was my next question. Could be for Mr. and so this doesn't in my mind this doesn't apply. Well, but water supplies are necessary is writing it out, right? Whatever it is. Well, we're talking about much right now. Okay. And homeowners. Well, all I agree with you, I'm saying I don't think there should be something that holds up this going forward.

Okay. Is there a way to to to make this clearer? I I think there's strong consensus that we want the potential buyers whether they're drilling a wealth or a home or a business or accommodation or whatever, we want to legitimately advise them that water quality is a problem. And so that's my concern is are we doing that here? Are we advising them?

Are we correctly advising? Because with that on the plan, if I read that, I would I would wonder if I am required or not. And I might decline the the divided purchase property if if it says right on the CL I'm required to do XYZ, but I am. Well, it says advise. The language that actually be on the plat says, doesn't it? That uses the word require. It says recommends. No, it Yeah, it said but so that's their recommendation is to require the language, but the language itself which would appear on the plat says what does it say Mr. Platt? I don't have it in front of me. Sorry.

Yeah. No, I missed most of your record. That's it. just um single family homes can be conditionally approved in an industrial zone. And there's also no I I don't fully understand like the designation uh of subdivisions. Um I mean there's it's absolutely not binding on any future zoning. Okay. Um, it's currently zoned residential, but um,

so if I'm understanding it correctly, you're suggesting that the plat language that was recommended by DEQ is innocuous. No, I'm saying that the fact that they say homeowners um does have some materiality and that there could very well be homeowners that are subject to this exact plat in the future. And it says that DEQ recommends DEQ recommends that homeowners will have their will sampled. Next sentence.

Oh. Oh, down here it says and so uh the submitted report acknowledges that treatment for TDA TDS and sulfates will be required before human consumption. Is that what that mean? Yeah. The report I don't know might be different for an individual as well. I don't know. No. Okay. I'm I mean again I'm not proposing to be the legal that's statement and without us assuming a um a delegated uh ability to review the safety and adequacy of the water. It's

there's not a whole lot that we can do in substitution of I guess our review and recommendation for theirs. Well, all right. So, how about this? I'll I'll give up the floor, Mr. Chair, that we approve this going forward and the So, we are accepting DEQ's recommendation to put this on the plat. These are their words. Yeah, I would actually Yeah. Well, it's proposed, right? That that's already on the plat. The final plat required to be added to the final plat,

but that Mr. contact DEQ so that you're well advised if someone were to come forward and ask you am I precluded from drinking water with high TDS and sulfate I'm 99% certain the answer is no legally now I I don't think it is so stumbling on that language in your best interests for your health requirements

that's a different thing so I would like to at least have Mr. GH have a clear understanding if some potential buyer comes and says, "Hey, I saw this on the plat. I'm unwilling to close the sale if I'm required to treat my water." And I would like Mr. Kurt to be able to answer confidently, "You are not required to treat your water. Is that a feasible route forward?" I contact them. That's fine. Okay. And then they shouldn't they shouldn't is to put this on plastic.

And really what they're saying there is they're just saying the report that they received said they should do this before you know that's what it's saying but the word required I guess is getting everybody caught up. Well that's actually the way that that reads the report is saying that treatment will be required or the report is acknowledging that treatment will well not deeq requiring treatment. required for what I mean the whole thing is just for human consumption

hugely ambiguous required under law or required to be a good parent I mean these are to put it on a plant strikes me as a legal statement and the word required is different than the word re but it's not saying DEQ requires anything that was my not as I read this is required by who well they're just saying that's what the report said consumption I'm guessing they have some sort of standard what human consumption is that or should be different answer. I don't well I don't know that what that is. Do you?

Yeah. Yeah. Drinking water standards are promaggated for different uses and their standards and public water supplies which means you supply x number of taps to x number of people are are required to meet those primary standards not the secondaries TDS and and self are secondaries incidentally happens. So yeah, I'm quite confident that there is no authority that can require me as a individual well owner to test my well or drink certain kinds of water. So I'm happy to contact DEEQ. I'm just asking what this means. Is that

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I I could do that. That's that's not I'm trying to protect the seller. I don't want them to be caught up in this thing of of a buyer saying, "Well, I'd love to buy this piece of property, but I'm not clear on whether I'm going to have to buy a reverse osmosis system or not." I think ultimately the best answer that David could provide someone is that should be brought up with DEQ. Okay. Okay. Maybe that's the answer. I just I would like to find a way for people to understand this better than those words imply. Okay. Sorry.

No, I'm confused. So, you have to have those wording on a PL or not? Yes. No. No. It's only our recommendation to put it on the PL. Uh, well, they put it on the plat. Oh, it's on the PL already. Yeah, it's on recommended to be put on the plat and then they and then they put it on the final plat as submitted. Correct. Yes, this is okay. So, it's already on. So, it's on. Okay. So, basically, we just need to clarify for ourselves what the EQ means

or send them like that would be my recommendation for David. Okay. Any other questions for staff? No. Um. Oh, it's not hard. Go ahead. Okay. Um, the fencing requirement was quite contentious last go round. Answer was they provided us a fencing plan. Correct. Okay. Um, now walk us through the city comments and the whole we've done this before, but for the record, Mr. ourselves. Anything within a mile has to invite comment from the city which the city provided and then the county is supposed to have a dialogue and send them a letter and then they get to respond. So, walk walk us through that. And did the county formally respond to the city's objections? Where does that whole discussion stand? if I may.

Um, so I am not sure if we responded or not during the preliminary plaque phase. Um, since Joe was working on this project, I don't know. But at this point, we would probably want to respond for sure with the fi final plaque. Um, and in the past, our packets have included a a recommended response to the city from county, right? And this one does not. Well, that would be operative for the board. The board has to respond. It's not in the past you've drafted the We did not this time. That's true. Yes.

So, so what's going to happen with that for So, let me find it. Does anybody know what page it's on? what the city's recommendations I can go through it. Is that the same as on the preliminary plot? And but I assume the county's answer is the same. Yes. Respectful of the relationship with the city. It's on 52 of the of 129, but no, it's not. Okay. Or it is. Okay. Yeah,

all right. So, let's just go through it and I'll So, basically, this was an updated um comment from the city. They note that it's in the Larry McGrowth area plan boundary. Is it designated industrial? Um

we can jump to the punch line. They recommend annexation.

They recommend annexation. Um basically what we would say is that the plan recommends industrial in this area. It is industrial. They're report they're recommending an industrial pro project, a subdivision. Um, see, and then they talk about utilities. There are mentioned there's existing fire hydrants in the area which is actually a good thing. They talk about how they want to require everything to have code which we always say we haven't adopted code so we can't require that. Um and we also would say that it meets all of our subdivision regulations and there's no reason why we shouldn't approve it. Yes. Recommend approval.

So you're telling us such a letter will be drafted and it need not involve letter approval or review. Correct. As we have done in the past.

Yes. Because it's from the board. I thought there was some discussion one of the times that why are we seeing this? So I didn't nic this time but I don't know. I'm just trying to find what I I think there I think there was already a letter drafted by Joe generically it speaks to the role of the L area growth plan in our subjugation regulations and my memory and confirm if I'm incorrect when we had this discussion when this first came out was that till such time as we incorporate the recommendations of Mary go into our regulations we simply have no authority to grant the city's requests with respect to road alignments sewer compatibility. I mean, there's a whole list of things that that they've brought to our attention that are part and parcel of the growth plan and compatibility as we cross this city county boundary. But as I understood in the previous discussion, good ideas hold those thoughts until such time as we bring those on to our subdivision regulations.

Correct. I'm looking over Mr. is that correct? Mhm.

So, and that's what we respond. We actually respond or Joel responded chapter 3 section 2B of the plan and subdivision regulation says no subdivision shall be required to be consistent with land use plans unless the applicable provisions of the land use plan have been incorporated into this resolution the county zoning resolution or any other county regulations. But then you also have what it says about the one mile saying that you can look at they can comment on these things. So, um, and then, yeah, I think that was the biggest thing. Everything else is I mean, there really wasn't a whole lot that they were

No, it's for you. The city is registering its desire to have a sing. We don't have any means to force annexation, and that's where things stand.

Okay. But but I want that to be explicit if if nowhere else in the recording from this meeting that that we are not unsympathetic to the idea of sewer lines and roads lining up correctly and in fact the city the county has adopted the Laramarian growth plan. So, I'm just wanting everyone who's part of this discussion to be clear that the county adopted that plan, but the county has yet to bring that into its subdivision and absent that step, we are unable to accommodate the city's requests, sympathetic to them as we may be. Absolutely. Is that where we are?

That's that is noted. And then that and then the letter that is required under the donut should reflect all of that. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um I was wondering where the city leather is. I don't see it in the packet. And I page 52. Page 52. Was it page 52? 52 of the 129 PDF. No, you mean the letter from them, not to them. No, right. The city. Oh, yeah. the the letter from the city is in. Yes, the letter to the city is is not it's not with all the other ones like you said it's not okay but there will be a such a letter yes okay all right anything else for staff

um we will conduct a public hearing is there any member of the public who wants to comment on this uh particular application anyone online may you do please step for your name and your address uh yeah my name is Travis Olen owner of Olsson Excavating LLC and I would just like to express my support for this uh proposed subdivision. I think there's a big need for uh industrial lots for small businesses to continue growing and help help our community grow. So I would just like to express my support. Okay. Well, thank you.

Thanks. And what happened to a representative from the engineering firm? From what? From the engineering firm either one of um yeah, so I've skipped over you, but please step forward. Okay. Sure. And we will amend skipping over here. My colleague on the paddics was here a moment ago. Yeah. I stepped in his board now. Yeah. Stuart tell you'd like to say first of all oh about the application about what about is there anything about the application you'd like to say

no I mean just yeah I was here generally if you guys had some uh you know some heavyhitting engineering questions as it relates to it um that's really my strong suit. Okay. Well, very good then. Burn. Do you have any heavyhitting questions for the engineer? My questions are procedural. Well, number is not one. She want to know more about drainage, right? Yes. About well, we I guess we've discussed it in a previous meeting. We talked about it and that there's the drain drainage in

general how it's going to function. Do you have any plans for u mitigating some especially from industrial activities into the river? I mean just having possible to drain into does not mean that you have right and so yeah our approach on this was really we don't know what developments will go in there right it's it's creating the lots and those would still have to go through you know a county site plan review process

what's their business what kind of water you know runoff potentially contaminants and that's where then engineering principles would come in again where okay we're going to force you to perform water quality or detain storm water before you release it. You know, because we know and all we did in this part was create easements, drainage easements where the natural drainages occur because we didn't want to start putting water where it shouldn't go. We kind of know it generally goes to the river um to the west. And so really at this point not knowing what th those developments would look like, what businesses would go in there, we reserve that you know engineering princ you know uh approach to wait until those actually come forth where we could address those at that time.

And and a follow up on that if this is going to be industrial is and I asked this before. Sure. Is there a specific reason why the lots are subdivided the way they are closer to the river and level tracks? Why not have them further away? So they're closer to the main road to to Highway 30.

I mean, I think it's really just a matter of that's their property. Um, right. It is what it is. The land is the land. And so they they subdivided in a way that they thought um, you know, made, you know, got most use out of the land. Um, sellable lots. A lot of people want to be down there. Doesn't mean necessarily lot, you know, businesses that are going to go in there would be ones that could serve, you know, potentially, you know, be more risky to because of their location. I think it just really was a matter that's where the land is located. I can't really speak to Yeah. I mean, have you looked at the maps and how the lots are subdivided?

Yeah. No. Yeah. There's a big lot right by by the highway and smaller lots along the middle. Oh, I think it was I think that Yeah, the different sizes of lots is really just offering different sizes for different users, right? They wanted to have a variety of different size lots for different potential users. It's really just land development kind of 101, I would say. But I can't really speak to to that beyond that. So as the engineer, not the developer. Great. You have everything? No. Okay. Well, thank you.

Um, in that case, uh, if there's anything further you folks like to discuss, say so. Well, we did that. We did it out of order. Although I didn't close the public hearing. Good point. Well, again, is there anyone else from the public would like to speak? No. In that case, I have a motion to close the public hearing. I move to close the public hearing. There's a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

I. Okay. Moving on by our own discussion. Anything else would come and proceed to a motion? To make a motion, Mr. Chair that's more than appropriate. Recommend that the board of county commissioners approve the point north subdivision final plat and subdivision approve application SD0825 adopting and incorporating staff analysis findings of fact and conclusions of law as each are stated in this staff report is our I second. Any further discussion hearing? None. We will proceed to a vote. Ralph, hi. Greg, I burn. Hi.

And I vote I also motion carries. Uh for you folks who are here for this. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Um we will move on to the custodian permit preliminary final plant SB-0126.

Hi Mr. Chair, members of the commission. This the applicant for this project is Roy and Tammy Barnhart. The address is 91 Twin Views Vista just drive. This is a request for approval of a preliminary plat final plat subdivision permit. Will be a minor subdivision. The current zoning is agricultural residential and give you a little bit of background on the property. did a little bit more history on this one than the rest of them, but maybe in the future. Um, this property was originally created through a subdivision exemption in 2008. The filing of a record of survey titled Wild Horse Ranch at Lake Hattie phase 2. Lots created via this exemption average 40 acres in size. The property owners submitted an application to change the property zoning to rural residential in 2024. That application was denied due to the potential for an undesirable increase of density in the area. After this denial, the board of county commissioners approved an amendment to the Albany County zoning resolution that created three residential zoning districts out of the one rural residential zoning district that we had at the time. These zoning districts provided two lower density options um for those in rural areas. In 2025, the property owners received approval amending their zoning to agricultural residential and which was one of the new zoning districts that was created. Um the property owners are now requesting subdivision permit to divide their property into two approximately 20 acre lots. Um the applicant has applied for the subdivision permit for minor subdivision proposing to create the two lots subdivision property is approximately 40

acres. Each lot will be about 20. A home and an out building exist on lot two as well as an existing sistern and um septic system on that lot two. Lot one will require um a new individual well or sister and a septic system. Utilities are available in the area. They're already provided to lot 2. Um postal service is available in the area. The storm drainage report was completed for this repo proposal and reviewed by the county engineer. Now new roads are proposed. Twines Vista's Drive accesses Lake Hattie Road, County Road 45 to the the west of the property. Um, lot one will be accessed from Kalisoga Drive while one of one has a drive or while lot one has a driveway and it's accessed from Quinnbes Vista's drive. Road maintenance is taken care of by the Wild Horse Ranch Property Owners Association of which this property is included um and will run with the new owners. Fencing plan has been provided. Fire protection for this area is provided by Albany County Fire District number one. Um folks reviewed this one as well. There was some things that need to be changed on the plat. Um county engineer reviewed it um and had some comments and provided that um his comments for the plat the reports were were taken care of. He did note that documentation of disposition of any water rights on the property needs to be done. Um, Abby County Ron Bridge reviewed this and said only minimal impacts will be to the county roads. Um, Martin Curry, senior resource specialist from Larry Rivers

Conservation District, reminds land owners should take care of to minimize land disturbances during construction quickly reclaim any disturbed areas with native grass and shrub species to prevent invasive weeds from spreading. they can provide recommendations to assist with reclamation efforts. Um, White didn't have any comments. Wild Horse Ranch Property Owners Association reviewed and concurred with the proposal and the state um engineers office reviewed this and noted that there is water rights associated with this property that need to be handled. Um so the applicant has provided a complete preliminary and final plat application include all required documentations and reports. The property has proper access to both lots. The applicant is currently going through the process to detach water rights associated with their property. Um so they are dealing with the water rights. They are not that's not been completed. Um, but they've they provided an affidavit saying they want to give up their rights, which should be approved within the next month or so, and they will no longer have water rights associated with that property. Um, and then staff recommends approval of this application, adopting, incorporating the staff analysis, findings of facts, and conclusions of law as these are stated in this staff report. And I'd be happy to answer any questions. And then the owners of the property and their engineer are all online.

Okay. Ready and waiting for your questions. Very good. Thanks. No, how about you? Um I love the background section. So don't apologize for being extensive there. So yeah, the more of that you can do, I just think really helpful to just bring us particularly these things that we've seen here after. Right. I could have done more on those other two, but I just Yeah. Yeah. If you have time, I those are my trash that two. I'm concur. No, nothing.

I don't have anything either. So, uh, would either the applicant or the applicants engineer like to say anything before we might have some questions? Good evening. Uh, this is Christy Roberts with Dwell. I'm here on behalf of the applicant and available for any questions that you might have. All right. Very good. I'll do anything. No burn. Thank you. Great. No. Well, either so. That was quick. All right. Well, thank you for being here.

All right. Uh, so we'll have a public hearing. Are there members of the public? Any members of the public like to make a comment about this application? Anyone online? May I have a motion to close the public hearing? I move that we close the public hearing. Mr. Second. Any further discussion? No. All those in favor say I. That motion carries. All right. Uh either discussion or a motion would be appropriate. Um one small discussion item. Sure. Um

this is just the kind of thing we had in mind when we provided those intermediate densities for for residential. So I This is validation of the work we did there allowing people to do the larger lots and not have to compare down to subdivision site. So like I said a good implementation of the additional tools develop sign is that we don't have to rely on I I wanted to say exactly the same that it makes life for everyone a lot easier. Good. Anything else? How about a motion?

I move recommend to the board of county commissioners approve the Kalistoga subdivision preliminary and final plan application SD0126 adopting and incorporating the staff analysis final effect and conclusions of law as each are stated in the staff report. Is there second? Any further discussion? Rob, how about you? I burn I

I Craig I and I vote I as well. So that motion carries. Um so we will move on to our fourth and final application debating zoning district amendment ZDA 2026 J.

Thank you Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. Um the applicant and property owner is Burley Benning and the request is for the approval of a zoning district amendment to change the zoning to agricultural residential from agricultural. The property is track 10 crazy mill Iron Ranch Heads and the address is 65 mil iron road. Uh the review process received some comments. Most notably was from an SERS, superintendent of Road and Bridge, who had con had no concerns but noted that increased development along Two Rivers Road will have a higher demand for road and bridge maintenance in this area. Uh Larmy Rivers Conservation District, Katie Wine, district manager, commented on soils, soil degradation, reclamation, and invasive species. Uh the other full comments can be seen in the review section. The applicable sections of the Albony County zoning resolution are chapter 3 section 5C. Pursuant to the Albony County Zoning Resolution, chapter 3, section 5 C6, the board of county commissioners must make the following findings. The applicant has provided a site plan. The adjudicative zoning district amendment generally follows the suggestions of the Albony County comp plan. and the applicant has demonstrated that the adjudicative zoning district amendment meets the listed criteria in thatable uh section of the zoning resolution. Uh also pursuant to chapter 3 section 5C3 of the Alb County zoning resolution, the applicant has provided the required notice by posted sign publication and certified certified mailing. Um, this property is located in priority growth area 4 of the Albany County comprehensive plan. Um, also to provide a little background and kind of the why

of this, uh, the subject property is approximately 33.45 acres and is currently zoned agg. An enforcement case was initiated after a permitted accessory building on the property was converted into an accessory. Under the Hy County zoning resolution, properties zoned agricultural must be a minimum 35 acres to permit an accessory dwelling. Therefore, the property is not currently in compliance. Uh the applicant is requesting this zoning district a residential which allows accessory dwellings on parcels with a minimum size of 20 acres. Under the proposed agricultural residential zoning district, the existing accessory dwelling would be in compliance and uh based on the density requirements of the agricultural residential district, this property would not be eligible for um with our staff analysis. The proposed zoning district amendment is generally consistent with the Albony County Con comprehensive plan which encourages development patterns that maintain rural while allowing for compatible uses in appropriate areas. The subject property is currently zoned a and the requested change to agricultural residential representative

that remains consistent with the surrounding agricultural and residential land use. The amendment is compatible with existing development patterns patterns in this area and it does not introduce a use that is out of character with nearby governments. Uh the findings of fact the findings necessary for approval and applicant responses referenced in this report are adopted as findings reflecting that the applicant has met specified impacts and same are incorporated herein. Uh with conclusions of law, the applicant is proceeding in accordance with and is in compliance with the requirements of the Albany County zoning resolution. Uh overall staff recommends to approve the zoning district amendment ZDA-02-26 adopting and incorporating staff analysis, findings of fact and conclusions of law as each are stated in the staff report. happy to answer any questions.

Well, just to begin with, how did this matter come to our attention? Um, I believe it was our enforcement officer and I guess a question about uh mailing for address. They were wanting to figure out an additional address point and that's KIND OF LED TO THE conversation of is this being used as a dwelling unit and converted it. they were unaware of the the regulations. So this was an option to make it in compliance. Um so why don't we start with Craig for any questions for staff?

No questions for staff. The only comment I have is something burn have brought up many times before is that we people not follow the rules and regulations and then we go and approve it full. So we are creating a rolling precedent for violations of regulations. That would be my only comment. Um yeah my my first reaction was wait a second I can't divide 33 into 220s but you've explained that and through the accessory so talk to us about the accessory dwelling requirements terms of the sizes and remind us of what what does it take to be

so with a for a zone property they have to have the minimum of 35 acres to be eligible to have an accessory dwelling unit on their property. Um, this doesn't quite as close, but technically doesn't mean that. So, by downzoning to a residential, I believe it's minimum of 20 acres. So, if they have 20 acres, they're eligible for an accessory dwelling unit with a residential zoning. And the relationship between the primary and the accessory dwelling unit, I guess.

Okay. uh the accessory dwelling unit has to be either the lesser of 75% of the square footage of the principal structure or um

the density requirements are the main ones we look at MISSING um that show have a waste water system Yes, the waste water has to be accounted for which in this case it was connected to the existing system. The leech field was expanded. Um I believe that was addressed in the um let's see findings necessary for approval.

He mentioned that he had enlarged the leech field in 2012. Um I mentioned that he was not concerned with the extra impact since the main house is four beds and three baths. Um so increased discharge. So the accessory dwelling unit would require a zoning certificate. Correct. Which and it's at that point it would be reviewed for the compliance with these Yes. requirements. And you've done that. It sounds like

Yes. the um the ex the building was permitted but it was initially permitted as an outbuilding I guess building. So I believe we'll have them do a change of use for this. Am I correct on that? May I add to that or? Yes, we'll do a change of use through our zoning certificate application process where they will change the use from an outbuilding to accessory dwelling. Okay.

Yeah. Um okay. So the point was we can't they can't subdivide as I said because you can't do it for twice or 33. Um, so yeah, I I share Marov's concern, but where do you draw those lines? It it is meets my test for general compatibility misses the numeric slightly from this the ability to go to agricultural residential. And that wasn't the only option we gave them. The other options were they could go back into this structure and remove some stuff so it's not considered an accessory dwelling. It goes back to just an accessory building

or remove the structure. This was the option that they wanted to go with. Okay. Thank you for the clarification. I think I know where we are. No, thank you. And I don't have any questions. Thank you. Also, I believe the property here. Yeah. So, uh, let us do that step forward. You would And you are?

I'm burly banning the third. Um, actually, yeah, my place is in question. Like I say, they caught it in the mail. So, the reason why it happened that way is cuz we thought, well, we'll join our mail together and for privacy purposes, well, I'll just let it apart and put unit B. Okay. So then in the county we discovered that. But I mean we built the the building on a steel frame, but we were planning on purchasing the lot next door and about halfway through I kind of question it again and asked the guys and then we already sold it. So I kind of actually sat in limbo for quite a while just the inside frame probably started getting going on. But I mean I remember we needed to continue to fix it up and that. So anyway, we finished the inside around last year, 2025. Uh gentleman at work needed a a place to stay with him and his wife till I could find a home. And uh well, here I go. You know, I got a place and you're welcome to go. And so it is movable. It is attached to the water and the sewer. Everything's fine. Like I say that our current house is four bed, three bath. And of course, the kids are all moved grow up, moved out. It's just me and the wife. So, we're really not using as much water as what should be with the current current situation. Uh, and I enlarged the septic system a long time ago. I do construction all my life, so I know how to do that and take care of that problem. And, uh, the I I didn't know I was out of compliance till, you know, I was informed of it. So, anyway, I was trying to do what I can to get back in the in the compliance range and and still be able to provide a home for gentleman and and his wife till they they kind of find a place to to work for themselves. So, if I can ask your permission to to do whatever I mean, think it over, I you know, appreciate that. But, I mean, is there any questions you have for me?

Yeah. Um, turn, do you have anything? No, I'm good. Thank you. The extra building is under 700 square ft. Say that again. I'm hard. The building is under 7. It's 672 feet.

Yeah. It's not very big. It's only like 22 wide and 33 long with a deck on it. One bed, one bath. So, it's not very much. And him and his wife are constant working full-time, so they're hardly there anywhere. There's no irrigation around the place. It's just dry. They're probably maybe a weed growing, but that's about it. It's well built, insulated. The furnace is 98% fishing. I had the L mechanical put it in. Um, all the windows are in good shape. It's got egress windows for fire, fire alarms, you know, you name it. I built several houses a year. So, I put probably my pride in this one to as a kind of a man cave idea, you know, back. But, but anyway, it wound up creating that effect and so we didn't get a place. So, that's where it stays. Rough

and I'm fine, too. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Uh, so, uh, there are members of the public here. Would anyone like to make a comment?

Please step forward. My name is BJ Edwards. I live at 17 Dog Iron Lane, which is like two or three properties down from the property in question. Um, I wanted to speak in support. I don't I looked at the information on your website and I felt like the stress on the water system and sewer system in the area wouldn't be that much extra considering some of the residents of this area have of this house have moved out already. Um Burley is really active in our neighborhood and he maintains our private road with his road grader constantly so I'm not really concerned about traffic increasing effects on our road quality. Um, Burley also maintains the well for that subdivision that we live right next to. So, I feel confident that Burley's done his due diligence and construction and um, keeping the area functioning as it should for our neighborhood. So, I just wanted to voice support for that.

Well, thank you for your comment. Thank you. Anyone else? No one else. Anyone online? May I have a motion to close the public hearing? I move we close the public hearing. Second discussion also there's the I would someone like to make a motion. Let me well discuss. Um

yeah, I I will vote in favor of this and and I just would add that I'm somewhat moved by the recent decision by the county commission to approve over our objections 10acre subdivision extensive one immediately to side to the east. Um so we have in fact quite recently changed the density characteristics of of that group of parcels rendering this more compatible than it would have been otherwise. So that's my only thought on the subject. Anyone else?

No good. Well in that case I have a motion. I move that we recommend to the board of county commissioners that approve the bin zoning district amendment ZDA026 adopting and incorporating staff analysis finding effect and conclusion of law each stated as each L stated in staff report.

Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. We will vote. Greg I off and I vote I. So that motion carries. Thank you. Thank you for you folks attendance. I assume you are here for this. I No one comes here just for entertainment. So good luck with your project. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome. Uh why don't we take a break? Okay. Five minutes

needed. Do it for me. Not for you. Okay, now we got to know in the post

back. So, let's resume the meeting. I hope they're better. Okay, thank you. Are we back in progress now? Okay. Next, uh, say some comments. Would you all have any comments you'd like to make? Yeah, please come forward. I just love making comments. H will make this a sizzle comment. So go ahead. Okay. Well, Janna calls her. I live at 2642 Rivers Road. And I want to say publicly I really appreciated the wisdom that came out of this group uh month or two ago about being gives too much credit here. Not being No, I'm No, I'm serious because

Okay. it was a a viable option with the um agricultural residential 20 acres. And I was just really shocked that two of the county commissioners took it upon themselves to deny those of us who live there um that compromise. So, I want to say that publicly because it really uh bothers me. And the fact is what I've learned is everything is a recommendation and it boils down to two people in this county have control. And I have a problem with that because it just it does not seem right that two people can say, "Yeah, we're just going to change what's going on in the county." So, if we're going to change what's going on in the county, then do we need more regulation in the county? Well, that's not really why people move to the county. I, you know, I don't have a problem with regulation myself, but as I pointed out to them, um, at their last meeting, we have a, this is about money. Somebody wants to make money. They bought land. It was speculation. Now, that doesn't consider people that live there and love living there and know their neighbors and like their neighbors. Anyway, so speculative land purchase. Guy wants to make money. Great. I have no problem with that either. He might have had to make a little less with the 20 acre parcels, but it would have been more palatable. And I just think that, as I said to them, if we're going to do these subdivisions, then don't people have a right to know what it's like out there? Dust, bad roads. I had rust in my water this week and I know that Wyoming is a, you know, buyer beware state, but I think at some point

something's going to have to be done. If you guys don't have teeth and it's obvious how much work you put into your decisions, something's got to give or the the countyy's going to go to crap, quite frankly. And I have a problem with that because, as I said before, this is it for me. I'm not going anywhere. So I just I feel badly I feel badly that they went against your recommendation and and there are other recommendations about you know during the the process you know that equipment needs to be cleaned well and then there goes water. So, I I mean, I'm I'm hoping that you folks can get some clout going here with some of this or it's going to be there's other people watching that uh how that goes to then just move right in with more. It's a shame. Anyways, done.

Well, thank you. Can I can I say something? Sure. That thank you for appreciating our work. That is important because we do try to uh do a good balance between uh what's good for the community what is the rights of owners property owners. So we do take our work seriously and I think all my colleagues will agree on that. Um and the only thing I will say is that elections have consequences. Oh yes. Yes. Yeah.

It's also the case that uh it probably matters. There's almost invariably someone who's going to be left unhappy, but you could be it could have been kind of two kind of unhappy part. I'm not talking about a specific thing. I'm talking about in general, right? Sure. It's just the nature of these sort of things that some people are left unhappy and sometimes people are very unhappy and some good friends are alone good friends and that's too bad but we do the best we can. Yeah, we all have to do the best we can. Sure. And I just I just don't think Alb County out there is ready for the growth. I just situated for it. Well, again, thank you. But anyway, sorry.

Yeah, just you probably stepped down and left me mutual admiration society here. I thank you and your neighbors. I mean that was someone or or I think we heard a lot from the neighbors and and often they're the they're the kind of the silent person someone comes forward with the development and they have a lot of personal and financial interest in it and so they have this very focused set of interests and that's balanced against a a much more diffuse set of interests that go the other way. So, uh, thank you guys for taking the time to come forward to our meetings and to the confirmation meetings. And there were a couple people that came that didn't want to speak, which is where I started, but now you can't stop.

This is a participatory democracy and and people should not really be shy about coming forward and sharing their two. Well, I do. I thank you all. So, Oh, thank you. Did you like to make comments? Yes.

Uh, okay. And I my name is Jan Hart and uh 41 Two Rivers Road. I've been out there for since 1991. I've seen the area change and I just really want I do want to echo Janet's um comments about I really appreciate the work that you put in um on the on the planning board and and um we are uh kind of disappointed in what the county commissioners did as well against your wishes because we think that the 20 acres for that Bingham tract is more appropriate if we have to do that. You know, there is a concern that we have, you know, I've echoing about our water quality. Um the shallow wells, the Laramie River is so low. I've been in contact with uh um Watson Wells going to come out and look at our well to make see how much water we have even though we're upstream uh or up, you know, a couple miles from that. But we're really really concerned. And when people are moving out there and um you know continually draining, you know, putting wells in, you know, it's going to affect everyone in that neighbor neighborhood and that gets any sort of water from the Laramine River. So um I guess that's primarily my major concern is water because we've lived out there for so long. We've put up, you know, you know, we do garden, we've got our solar panels. I mean, we're going to be there as well, you know, for a long time. So, but um anyways, I just think that there should be maybe more regulations on how much water people use. You know, the folks that are across the road from us is a concern because they put in, I don't know, 200 trees and they're watering them all and put in lawns and they're watering continuously. And um I think that's something it has to look at too is how much water are people using too. You know, uh, when I went to the state engineer's office last couple times, they said there's really no regulation. You get 20 gallons per

minute for domestic use. You can run that water 24/7, you know, and I'm look and I see I just don't know how how that can be allowed given the situation we have right now with the amount of water that we don't have. So anyways, so again, I guess I'm kind of echoing what Janet said, but I appreciate what you did and and um I was hoping there'd be five county commissioners and not just three. So that's what I'd like to vote. So any questions or Well, thank you for your comments. Okay, thanks a lot. Thanks for doing the water report, too. I'd like to And you, sir, is there anything you'd like to say? No.

Okay. I'd only be you repeating what you believe. Very good. I I actually cannot remember. Do we need to close public comments or just go forward? Just went forward. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, it's going over. Very well then. Um so I'm going to ask y'all to leave. Uh we are going to you there needs to be a motion to enter executive session or this uh I move that we close the public hearing.

No, we're talking about doing something else. We're talking about an executive session. Yeah, I sent you uh the language for Michael email. uh is specifically someone needs to move to enter into executive session pursuant to Wyoming statute 1644 5AIX. Why are we needing to go into executive session? Uh well, we will discuss that once we go into executive session. Do we want to finish up with the these items since they're still public? Okay. So I I will solicit your opinions whether we want to do this at the end or or continue the agenda.

Some people came here to uh Yes. Yes. Some people came here before the We will we'll do this at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. That's all you're here. All right.

Right. All right. Um so at your last meeting you approved three items. Um they were taken to the board of county commissioners. The s it's s not seam. I found out when when u the owner came in says hi I'm Tammy S. I was like oh shoot I've been saying the wrong name wrong. Anyways that application was approved by the board of county commissioners. That was the friendly store in um Centennial. Um, range acres preliminary plat was also approved by the board of county commissioners and then the via core tower application was approved by the board of county commissioners. So clean sweet. That's all I have.

Okay. Any questions for David? Um, yeah. As far as other planning projects that are ongoing, um, might I requested update at this point or is that Go ahead. Yeah. Uh, it's kind of a perpetual question. keyed off the subdivision and the city's letter. So, remind us where we are on moving towards implementation of learning growth plan in our subdivision regulations. Um, that's on the list. Um, but there's a lot of things on the list.

Well, kind of right now. Um, honestly, just being short-handed right now. We're really just doing applications at this point. Um we're trying to work on some data center stuff just because order county commissioners um has prioritized that. Um but additionally theou um there was not an interest by a majority of the commissioners and preserve yet right if I may there were large aspects of that that would not hing on they were simply things that that the county could be put into zoning could be put into zoning okay that also have to be approved by commissioners obviously

oh yeah oh yeah definitely by the county commission but I mean there there county approved the lary growth And the next step in that process would be to bring those forward into into regulation so that we could then use that as a as a tool that we proceed. Okay. So that's that's the piece that I was asking about and I also think that part of that involves an IG though. There's some things that we need an IG for. There's some things we don't it's it's the don't part that are under our control that are are subject to uh Mr.'s staffing requirements and and priorities. So it's on the list. It's on the list. Then I I had a a second question. The

the data centers and we had suggested inclusion of a small adjustment in the L news ster data centers. That's

so we decided to not we punted on that. We we didn't do anything that came to the board. we didn't make a decision because it wasn't going to really affect anything. Um, so what has been suggested or what the board I think wants to look at is whether they want to go forward with um an option to allow for us to create an industrial park that gives us the authority to then um approve, deny um data center or or other industrial type activities um that would be in an industrial park setting. Um that's so at this point if if the project is over $290 million it automatically goes to ISC industrial sighting um commission unless there's this we we are allowing it in a industrial park

designated

designated park and so what Matt and I are working on um is is that designation as well as um instead of being so specific to data centers. We're thinking of creating a conditional use pro process for industrial projects that will be in industrial park. Um and that would encompass data centers, but then we may have some additional um standards just for data centers as well. But the conditional use will be based on you know industrial projects that will be in that park. to make it more broad. I think that's something you suggest going direction I was head was it's the impacts we're interested in not absolutely what people

um and is there a is there a push um is the letter development authority for data centers is that something that we're seeing proposals coming forward maturing where are we on the side I I mean I really can't talk for them the it's the Larmy LCDA whatever. Yeah, Larmy Economic Development.

Well, it's Larmy Chamber of Business Association. Okay. Anyways, um I mean obviously they're looking for economic growth and activity. Um and and there are in fact folks from the data center world that are looking at Laram. Um, so it it is there is interest. Um, and so we need to determine how we're going to to do this. Um, and and

we could bring something to you and we think it's a great idea. Do the zoning district for industrial parks, um, conditional use, have some standards. We may just get to the board and they may say, "Well, maybe we feel like industrial sighting is the best place for this to go." Um, so there there is that potential. So, or you could tell us that. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you're like, you're not interested. I just want to go to industrial sighting. We obviously we're not going to go over very far if you guys don't approve anything. So, David, what was that? 260 million 290 I think or 280 doesn't matter. So, if it's above that, anything above that in cost goes to the state. Yes.

Yeah. It goes into the industrial signing council. So we don't have any sales. So not necessarily the board of county commissioners could be a party to the state permit. Um they can provide well they can provide recommendations. It's like kind of like you guys you we can provide recommendations. Um whether they want to include those or not I think it's up to them. Is that not right?

Yeah. It's uh industrial sighting council um provides impact assistance fees to local governments that are impacted by a project. Um and it's essentially they take it out of the portion of sales tax which would otherwise go to the state and kind of redivert it back to um counties or or cities or town governments. Um, but you know, you have to prove that it's it's necessary as part of impact that that you're going to have due to the project. Um, and then they condition things uh based on input uh from communities, neighboring properties, you know, that area. It's sort of a it's basically state zone,

but it's more I mean it's sighting really. And to put it into perspective, the project Jade, I believe it is in Orange Cheyenne, isn't a a billion dollar project. So yeah. Yeah, that's just the threshold. Yeah. And the threshold's always moving too adjusted according to construction cost indexes. I can't remember if it was 250 or my It's a lot of money. It's a lot. Yeah. Still. Yeah. Well, but I mean a lot of these things are way higher. Yeah.

Thank you. is also I mean you can conjecture I don't want to say likely but maybe likely that for any major data center you could kind of think they might want to be a part of the city and with property and close annexation and of course pure conjunction by part I don't think they'd be planning to site something way out in middleware oh they're talking about someone you'd be surprised to talk is is towards weekend and using some water rights from some ranches. I'm talking about No, I'm talking about Albony County. There is a a proposal out there that's floating,

but it's not going to be in. It's going to be out of town. That's at least what I

and I mean maybe you've all seen out of science right now. It sounds like I mean annability there's a flood of stuff you know being proposed or has been proposed whatnot and you know whether or not there's 52 or 72 whatever it is not all back to completion but you know there's a lot of activity over there surprising that we haven't seen that here to me. Well, and honestly, like just from my understanding of these data centers, like they're not just going to connect into the grid. They have to find a power source of some sort. So, and that's going to be a big lift for them. So, I I mean, even when

when people say they're coming to our community, they want to do this, I think there's still a ways out before they're able to do that. So, the amount of power that's going to be required is well above what our generation capacity is. Project Jade is 2.7 times the entire state electric and we don't have the state doesn't have that much flex. Um it's it's going to be very interesting. They're going to have to have their own kind of generation. I mean don't we make all the power for everywhere around here state? We don't have extra. We'll say that you know Rocky Mountain Power sends power to California and

charges them accordingly. But anything else about D would just great that maybe there's a chance to get ahead of something for the change instead of chasing it down the road. So I think that's that everything you said sounds really good to me. Whatever this group can do to participate I would support let's just backtrack a little bit uh for the Denver grant here about the LRA plan. Um the county approved uh learning area plan in the city um two summers ago I guess now. Isn't that right? Yeah.

Yeah. And this was after about a year's worth of work. Uh the county, city, citizens at large and consultant put together a plan and um the plan consists of three parts. basically a map an intergovernmental agreement suggestions for uh and then regulations to follow up. I mean those are sort of the three big pieces

and the map essentially in that upfront part was tendency. The next stage as a consultant recommended was drafting an implementation or an agreement between the city and the county and then regulations to implement that and essentially I think all the regulations would need to be implemented by the county because this is basically providing for how the city will grow into the county land, right?

Um and um it has been hung up and uh we will not cast blame here in a public meeting. Uh we can say we're all to blame, but uh we can be transparent about where things stand. Um the reality is we have one county commissioner which is truly supportive of uh the plan, one who is not and one person we really don't know much about and we haven't been given any direction about. So amongst ourselves, we've discussed what to do and we've basically said probably not a whole lot more we should be doing right now given our other priorities. I have gone to the city planning uh department uh and talked to them um well actually several months back and suggested that if they want to see this move forward they need to kick it up to a higher level of the city and try to work with county commissioners to see what might get done.

So that's kind of where things stand right now. Uh just so you know. No, thank you. And I think that's about right. Uh David. Yep. Let me move. Okay. acceptive. Thank you. Lots of lots of projects out there got prioritized. Um yeah, so there's some other zoning stuff that we've discussed and it's still there. It's still thought about. It will it will make its way to you guys at some point. So Oh, um can I just make one other announcement? Absolutely. I think I told you guys that we hired somebody. Well, they're not coming anymore. So Oh, no. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So, we're reopening the We're stuck with now we're starting over.

You're the best. So, we have two positions. Yes. Wastewater. And just thought was our reason given uh they found something closer to home that fit their needs better or whatever. So, you got to like Wyoming to move here once you get here. Oh, yeah. It's real easy to fall in love. Absolutely. Wyoming. It's not for everybody. Okay. We'll have some commissioner comments and Maj, why don't you begin? Yeah. And I'll switch the order if you don't mind because one person is interested in water, not so much in dog park.

Um, the reason I created this document and asked David to put it online, thank you. is because the city of Larmy water department uh put a presentation two weeks ago to the city by the city water department to city council in a work session um asking the city council to uh approve a plan uh uh regarding water availability and delivery in city. remind us the city residents are also county residents. Um and the the problem is that uh 2026 is a major drought year and the river is projected to go dry by August and uh the city will have to rely on aquafer water. Uh and so that the uh water department of the city put together a presentation to city council on what would be the steps they will take over the next uh few months to ensure that everybody has drinking water and the restrictions may be on you can't wash your car every day. Yeah, you'll have to water your lawn at night etc etc etc. Um the it was posted online. Everybody looked at the plan and when I looked at it my initial response was I don't think the city water department is explaining to the public why this is actually a big deal. The presentation was kind in my opinion mellow. So, I went into the same data sets that they've used and created this uh uh presentation that basically shows

long-term trends instead of just picking and choosing one level to use. Uh I consulted with Burn and with Chris Moody on this and uh the idea is basically the city is correct in calling for water conservation and the there might be a situation later. We don't know hopefully this will bring us more in but but the situation is such that we may need to go into restrictions and that's why I made a presentation. Uh I know it's a little scientific and and somewhat complicated. The take-home message is um the river may go dry. The aquifer is declining. However, there's enough water in the aquafller to last us a lifetime. Right, Burn? And and only restrictions will come into place if the city is unable to provide the demand for an aquafer because of the infrastructure uh because of the ability to pump water out of the aquafer. Now, if anyone has a question about my slides, I'll be happy to answer them. Uh Burn probably will to do a better job than I on most of the things. Uh what I've done since putting this presentation together and is not here um is that we there is a projection of a super Elino. The models from today suggest that the uh temperature uh the sea surface temperature in the Pacific will be 4° above baseline. Uh what I've done is I looked at the

data that we have which is me because our precipitation data starts in 1912. The previous largest super linear was in 1877. We don't have precipitation data fall but using the fall uh events in uh 78 uh 83 97 and 2015. I created a regression line that shows that maybe it will be okay for us to have a super linear next year uh because at least we'll get average precipitation. And that's all I have to say unless people have questions for this.

Go ahead. So, and this is like this may be just a dumb question. So, if what happens to people like myself who really rely on the litter river if it goes dry, where do I get water? Where do I put in a sistern? Yes, you may. When you say rely on that, do you pump water out of the river? Yeah, I believe that's where our water because I'm, you know, we're right. It's a community well. Okay. I mean,

I don't think No, I mean it's not out of the river per se. I think it's like 60 ft maybe.

Well, let me add to what Marov said. When I said there's enough water there to last a lifetime, that seems a bit flippant and it should include comma if you got enough money, which is almost true of anything. So the the the most relevant part of this discussion from a from a non city part of the county point of view is those whose wells are not very deep. except not enough money. Um, and there are ever so many relatively shallow domestic wells out in the county who are potentially going to be hurting this this year. The water levels in the aquifer are as low as they've been for 50 years on the east side of town. Again, they're not perilously low in terms of the full thickness of the aquifer, but but they're they're low relative to these relatively shallow wells. Um, so there I expect there will be a large amount of nashing of teeth and and grinding of gears over the course of the summer from those who have domestic wells. Um, but isn't a a county regulation issue at all? Um, but but yeah, there's there there will be unhappiness, odds are. And then as far as the river drying up, uh, that's that's quite likely. It happened in 2002. Then again, it's a question of how how much water is stored there in the ground to supply wells like yourself. I've talked to your your comrade Miss Clark about it her heart uh in terms of measuring her water level and there are certain things you can do to investigate your particular situation. But

but groundwater wells are often not drilled as deep as they should be to give them a buffer against dry times. I'll give you an example. My well is 350 ft deep. Whoa.

My pump is at 180. And looking at the values of the declining aquifer, I'll probably have Watson well come and put the pump deeper. Luckily, I don't have to drill it deeper, but I'll have to pay him to to lower the pump in the well. Um, we don't know what things will look like. The two main figures uh in the reports are a little alarming and definitely support the city uh decision to uh ask for water conservation now and then if needed uh based on their the demand and their ability to pump out of the aqua to put restrictions in. Yeah, it's definitely uh something that we have thought about not as part of the planning and zoning but just as people interested in water is offering people to actually measure the depth of the water in wells across the aquifer and uh just to get for us to get a better feel for what things are uh where things stand but also at the same time inform you for example your well is too low think about putting a request to Watson to come in.

Yeah. Or someone else. I don't know. They're all drills in account. Wow. Well, okay. Live and learn. We the planet we lived on, I I told Chris Moody that from climate perspective, uh, going back to 2002 is not the best approach because we don't live in that world anymore. The planet does not exist anymore. Yeah. Well, thank you. You're welcome. You know, this is not going to be a big surprise. Thank you very much. Have a good rest of your evening. Thank you for coming.

Thank you. Um I one small update relevant to that. In fact, I serpentine of um so I met Monday with a group of uh on campus who have recently received funding to look at uh nitrate contamination in the Casper aquifer uh east of town or

um yeah east of town and the whole recharge uh it's coming out of the stable isotope lab. So this is all way up here. They're looking at stable isotopes of of oxygen and radium and nitrate to try to discriminate different sources for the nitrates that we're seeing. Well, uh it's a particular woman who's working on a PhD program and she's got a couple of f professors working. So over the next two years, uh there's going to be some real high-end science done on how contaminants are being introduced into moving through the aqua. So uh they propose to coordinate with the county uh whatever that amounts to exactly. So be prepared for coordinations.

All right. Okay. Thank you.

And your next one? My next one is again just as an information and that's the dog park and I switched the old house so she doesn't have to see through that. Um so the docu the other document again David thank you very much for posting it. A lot of people have already looked at it by the way uh or at least told me they did. Um, we have an estimated 23,000 dogs in Larmy in the city. There are probably many more outside the city. Um, and and we immediately think, oh, dogs in the county don't need fenced in off leash area. But the reality is that if we have more communities like the paddocks for example where lot sizes are really small uh people don't have places to exercise their dogs. Um the uh in inner city is on leash only. There are really no significant places for dog for dogs to be exercised and for people to exercise with the dogs. The the thought of 23,000 dogs running off and wandering the streets of Lammy, which happens all day, all the time. Um, and uh, you know, people say we have Pilot Hero and we have HappyJack. Well, right now in Pilot Hill, we're going to have a lot of baby ponghorn born and I would highly recommend for dog owners not to take those off leash in pilot here. So, we came several of us with the city parks and wreck together. We came up with idea that we need a bigger hopefully fenced area for a dog park uh for all county

residents, those in the city and those that live in small uh lot neighborhoods uh in the county. Um we uh conducted the survey online to see what people want and the results of the survey are in the document. Uh in short, people want at least around 20 acres in size that will allow for a trail that handicapped people can exercise with the dogs. One of the biggest complaint we have is that currently we have no way for people with disabilities to actually take their dogs to a dog park and many of them have uh additional emotional support animals. Um, people want lighting for night, they want shading, they want all of this is in here. The reason why I brought this to the attention of us, there's a county entity, is that one of the potential locations for putting a nicesized dog park that will be easily accessible um, and would make the paddocks people really happy because it will be across the street from them. uh is the south end of the film grounds. Turns out the area was Thank you, Matt, for all your information. That was super helpful. Uh the state parks and rec approved development on that with the county commissioners back in 2017 for outdoor recreation. So the designation for that area is already there. In 2017, uh the current one of the our current county current commissioners, Commissioner Jones, uh signed a lease agreement with the Larry Soccer Club to build a a soccer complex on 18 acres of

the 40 acres available. the um county helped the Salar Soccer Club get a um a loan, a a grant, not a loan, a grant from the state and the total budget for the soccer the first soccer field they put in was $600,000. Um, I'm still looking into it, but the Larmy Soccer Club has told the the chair told me that they have not continued since 2017. They finished the first uh one in 2021. They haven't finished and added more to it. Uh, more fields is because they don't have the money now. Um, so they basically don't have a plan to to at at this point to expand. Regardless, there's still 20ome acres left. H that could be, if the county commissioners decide, uh, turn into a a decent size dog park. Um, and I'm working with Kilaw White to put it in on a commissioner's agenda for the newest possible meeting. Um, the concern about funding. Uh, we have a lot of people who uh volunteer to donate the time to build a place. A lot of construction workers that work 20 hours a day, bring the dogs to the dog park. So, they're all excited about creating a big one, building a big one. Um, we also have a lot of people uh willing to donate money. So, it seems like we will be able not to use any public resources to to do that. The only thing we need is approval from the commissioners to designate whatever

amount of land um 22 acres or so towards this effort. I think it would improve uh quality of life for uh a lot of um Larmy people that work two jobs, go to school and have a job and have to make a choice between exercise myself or exercise my dog or maybe I can do both at the same time at the same place. If you have any question, I'll be happy to uh

So, just given this context, is there a a zoning issue uh with the proposal to put a dog park in at the fairgrounds? It's in the city. Well, they Well, the city owns that piece. Well, they don't own the city. Yeah. All the fairgrounds is city limit. It's countyowned city in the city. Correct. Yeah. A lot of the county's property is in the city. Okay. In fact, there's a piece of land behind Walmart that is kind.

I looked at all to make this map. I look at all By the way, thank you for having that availability online or you can look at ownership of each lot. So, that's really nice. Thank you. Um Yeah. And and the city I presented it to city council about uh three weeks ago. Super excited. Once they finish the budget discussion in next month, they will put it on more workable agenda. So to so it will be a nice collaboration. I think anything else.

Okay. In that case, uh I will make a motion to enter it into executive session pursuant to Wyoming statute 16-4-45 in parentheses A in parentheses 9. I have a second. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. That motion carries. To stop there. Now,

uh second to come out of what? Who second to come out of? I did. Yes. Um okay. So now we're live. Congratulations on having the uh six penny tax passed, which means we'll get a new administrative building. The question is where? Yeah, good question. Do you have a spot? Do you have an idea? I know that the county's looked, but I don't from my end, I'm not in the loop, so I I but nothing has officially came out that we found a place, but we've been looking for a few years to to find a place or a new building.

Would you look at your own property behind Walmart? It's not behind Walmart. So that's that's Beach Street and that is uh Yeah, it's Beach Street. that is like also encumbered by um grant by what by grant funding conditions an economic and it's yeah it's like it was economic development grant money I don't even know if it's big enough but build in front of Walmart you get a free parking lot I see the city is trying to sell their lots on on beach street but they only sold 25 so far.

Gotcha. Which is surprising because everything else is being built like crazy around it, right? Burn just out of curiosity. Was this typical? I mean, it passed by quite a bit. You know, history. Oh. Um, I wouldn't have said it was atypical. Uh Larry County has historically been quite amenable to bond issues and to this extent tax. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it was anomalous. I expected this result. It was only I mean it was like a little over 10% of the population. 20%.

Yeah. I I mean I don't like special elections. They tend to bring out such a small 4,000 out of turnout 33. I would prefer all the general election. If they just put it with the general election, I don't think it would have passed. Well, and that's some of that's strategic and the promoters of these things. And I think it's it's not right that you gain a system by having your own special tax, especially for your buddies. $175,000 of that is going to provide playground equipment for 40 kids. Yeah. Uh

I'm sorry, but that's $4,000 a kid plus for a swing set. the the the timing too. It has time here, man. The timing also has to do with when the six penny expires. So, in order to make a smooth transition, they have the election prior to the expiration. So, and the fifth cent expires here real shortly, too. I think it's within the next four months or six months. Well, it isn't its expiration isn't keyed to collecting a certain amount of money. So, it'll No, it's a tight It's a time. Yeah.

So, so it'll roll up. But yeah, I don't I'm with you that I'd like to see all these things at the general election. You know, just a bigger pool pool of the people get an actual representation of what even then it's we Americans don't participate in our democracy at the rate. I I know from the day I turned 18, I had made every election.

I remember those pictures the way my I was raised the South Africa one that had the very first time anybody those pictures line down and down and down and around and every single person said I I've been waiting millennia for this opportunity and then we tend to trivialize it. My my dad when I turned 18, this is your family, your uncles, myself, he says, "We fought in war to make sure you got the right to vote. So now you take the responsibility and get your ass out there. It was just that simple. I keep forgetting to report it. I'm sorry." But yeah.

Well, that word occurs in the Bible, so we're good. All right. Okay. Well, anything else? Sir, in that case, uh, our next regular meeting is June 10th, 5:00 here and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you all. Thank you. I do not expect to be here for that meeting, but I may be able to zoom in. What date? What? June. What? Yeah, June. Who got here?

I'll be out for like four weeks starting the third or fourth week of June. Ah, good. Well, hopefully you're growing fast. Yes. Good for you. Thank you. Congratulations. topic.