Town Council - Regular Meeting

Hey, good evening everyone. Uh before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that this meeting is being recorded and your participation is your consent to be recorded and broadcast on the town of a YouTube channel. Roll call. Jen Sain here. Rich Solano here. Tony Ramirez

here. Okay, you all rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. So, we'll call being to order and u we're going to the minutes for we're going to do the uh council regular meeting minutes for July 21st of 25 special meeting minutes of August 4th of 2025 and another special meeting on August the 8th of 2025. Do you have the minutes in front of you? Chance to look at them. Do I have a motion to accept the minutes as presented?

So moved. I'll second this. All in favor?

I order businesses. We have a some adjustment requests for the water bill. And the first one is Chad Cunningham. that is present here today to make this request. I provided you with a narrative of um the adjustment request. He had a major water leak at his house this last building cycle, 36,516 gallons. Um he has had a contractor there um and made the repair. You have the data logger report that can confirm the leak and on August the 8th you will see that consumption significantly decreasing there on the flag for continuous consumption has been removed. So if you have any questions directly for Chad regarding the leak he is present. The reason there um is no wastewater adjustment being given is the summer sprinkling credit is in effect. So it would only be for the water portion of the bill.

All right. You're Mr. Cayenne. Okay. All right. Well, it's first time. So, um I move that we go ahead and u accept the adjustment amount water290 and the tax of $17. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Next one is uh Jamie Luba. Luba. Luba. Okay.

Same situation there except for theirs ran over a couple billing cycles for June and July. They had 35,867 gallons at their residence. Um as you can see, they've never had a request of an adjustment. Um they did have a contractor that came out and did the repair as well and you will see on 77 716 772 the repair and flag is not there. So you have any question anyone? Y

uh I motion and we approve the water adjustment request $2122 for the water and water tax $1486. I'll second it. All

in favor? I need Okay, next is the uh whack quote. with the changes that are happening in my office. Um, this would be a third computer system that would be up by the checkout window with the new system. It was everything would be right there integrated. It would be a desktop, not a laptop. So,

is it a new computer or a replacement? It's a new one. New. New. Okay. the way utility will be handled.

Yeah. A motion that we approve the whack uh computer estimate uh for $1,789.93. Second. All in favor? I Justin,

I shut in front of you for last month. Um have started painting downtown sidewalk. The um no bicycles and sidewalks, thorough sidewalk. Haven't had any issues. However, uh the paint I'm using is a fluorescent paint, spray paint. It's not showing. It's showing up, but it's not showing up as well as I'd like. So, when Jake does the U painting downtown for the oneway, we'll probably use that paint as well and it on. All right. But I wanted to get something done since you brought it out last month. So, got something started. Um, been monitoring the school situation down on the backside of the parking lot where we had the complaint last year.

Yeah.

Um, I think I know what she's talking about. um spoke with Scott down there at the school. Um just monitor and it's not become a hazard. Uh okay. At this point trying to rotate back and forth without front and at the back. Uh the new truck is here. It was picked up today from Rochester Ford and delivered to Cops Gear. probably looking at six weeks we should have it back. I I'm gueststimating got really busy in the last two weeks. Um so right now there's 16 cars in front of us. So we'll see what happens. I know he'll be busy with the blueberry festival. He goes up there and helps them. Um, with that being said, on the truck, they offer an extended warranty that we probably should take a good look at,

right?

Um, it would be good for 100,000 miles instead of the 70. It would be $3570. But it covers brake pads. It covers wiper blades. It covers if you um headlight assemblies, all that stuff as well as the transmission, drivetrain, all that good stuff. So, their shop rate right now is $139 an hour over there. And just for example, he looked up what a headlight assembly would cost, that would be $1,800. With what we know from the brakes on the Durango and from what I gather with brakes on the county's Taho, you have a bit of $1,000 to $1,200 to put brakes on. So, I've got the premium care um here if you guys want to take a look at it. I asked them when they needed to know and they said probably within the next couple of weeks.

Okay. Is are they the only ones that can do the work at Copskar or is it Can you take it? It's got to be a Ford dealership. Oh, okay. This is This is actually through Ford and I did want to get confirmation from them. Um, it does have lifetime oil changes. However, they will only do up to five ports. That truck takes six ports with this. It would nullify that. I know it's only a quart of oil, but u All right. Well, it should be

for example, here it says it covers engine, transmission, electrical, brakes, front, rear suspension, rear, front, right, axle, emissions, safety, air conditioning, heating, steering, high-tech, and audio. $2570. I mean, that's the All right. That's probably what you you're recommending that we should I would rather ask the guy next to me. He would know more. Okay. I mean, I I just don't know that I know shop rates aren't going to go down. Sure. Um and what really caught me was when he was showing me this that it covered the brake pads.

Um so if you can caliper that's fixed if we go on a hot call and you get the brakes hot, you glaze them. Um it's all going to be covered. They used to not offer this on fleet vehicles, but now for whatever reason, Ford does. They also offer a ceramic coating on the outside and all that stuff. I don't know that. And like a Scotch Guard on the inside. I don't know that we need that, but I I'm more on the mechanically stuff. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Right. and all vehicles are. So, when do we usually trade our vehicles in? Is it We're on a seven-year rotation. Sevenyear.

We're on a seven-year rotation. What do you think we hit on mileage? Well, we got a 2021 Durango and we've got 54,000 miles. Now, a lot of that is switching out because I like switching out vehicles to in their extension. Uh, how many years is it? So the drivetrain, the engine and drivetrain got 70,000 or how many or how many months? Five years. Five years. Okay. That's the factory. That's that's factory. Got it. And then like the other components are like 30,000 miles. And this extends everything for extends everything five years.

Mhm. Okay. The other nice thing, if we pass this vehicle down, I asked this as well, like we're giving Jake the the street department, the truck. Okay, that warranty would go with the truck. Especially being it is a town vehicle. So, seems like a Yeah, a reasonable thing to me. Yeah, I think one like John just brought up, one major repair would Oh, yeah. would recover it. Yeah.

I'm going to make a motion that we go ahead and um get this extended warranty for $3,570. All in favor? I will be paid out of a public safety line item that he has. Okay. Makes it even better. Anything else, Justin? That's all I have right now. Thank you, Jake.

All righty. Um, obviously we've been working with Midwestern Engineering on this the water project and the contractors on the water project. And we had to do a hoping a small repair on the south water tower for it to be ready for when the project starts cuz it was not transmitting the reading from the water plant to the tower and we kind of need that for the plant to run whenever we take the north tower out of service. Um, AR Tree Services are planning on September 15th to come in and work on some trees. Um, the landscaping around the welcome signs, the locates were put in today and they're planning on starting the work around the 25th. Uh they're not doing the sign next to Senco the water man.

Yeah. Working on putting streets together for the CCMG grant. Yeah, that's pretty much the Do you know how many roads you have try to cover this year? had about um I want to say that there was 10 to 12 segments, but there was a lot with the sidewalk um as well. Okay. And I mean the one major concrete project down on and front street. Okay.

So, I spoke with our in um the engineering firm BFNS and they're working on a proposal to assist due to the size of the project. it can put into but we also go now 8020 instead of 7525 um on our match and then the application period starts October 1st and has to be submitted by October 31st. So it is definitely a more competitive thing because it used to be the cap max was 1.5 million that you could get and now it's going back to 1 million. So not that we get a million but those are just some program changes to note. Anything else, Jake?

No, not much. Got anything? Think so. No, thank you. Andy, you're you're next. I just had a question about the agenda. I see the ordinance is up. I don't see the agenda listing in the public. Is that assumed and we're that we'll open it right before we vote this evening or did it happen and I wasn't here? No. Okay. I didn't I just want to make sure we didn't overlook that part. No,

that's fine. Um, no, I don't I don't have anything else of note to your attention. I'm just checking up on that. Okay. So, how do we address that then? We need to

Well, as chair, uh you can just open the public. You don't really have to vote to open a public hearing. You can say, uh we're going to open the public hearing for this and uh you can uh um ask for public comment and after public comment is exhausted uh close the public hearing and then proceed. That way the minutes will reflect the public hearing was open and anyone who uh wanted to give comment had an opportunity. Okay. At this time we're going to open a public meeting for Sorry. Oh public hearing. I'm sorry I said meeting

public public hearing for um ordinance 07-21-2025 an ordinance amend amending the rates of the town of Akran for m municipal sewage utility. So Adam, I'd let Adam speak to at least address the audience and then they can ask questions.

Yeah, I think it's Adam here representing Bill. We worked with the town several months ago and communicated to them that we felt at this time uh it was necessary to have a small increase in rates and charges to offset inflationary pressures and then uh capital improvements they've had the last couple years and more capital outlays they have uh coming down the pike. So really that's kind of a kind of overview or just kind of a more or less routine at uh like cost of cost of inflation adjustment to the utility. It's nothing to do with in terms of operations being ran well just costs across the board have gone up from labor to materials and supplies to contractual services and uh even more heavily so capital items. So, your trucks, your vehicles, um any kind of equipment you need at the plant. So, really that's that's the general background on it. I'm happy to help uh answer any questions as well.

You're safe. I'm just going to at least go with the audience because I know some people here are going to ask what does this rate look like. So, currently with water, sewer, tax, hydrant, everything, your current bill is $61.67 67 for a minimum user of 2,000 gallons or less. So the rate that is being proposed that would take effect October 1st 2025 um sewer would go from 31.95 to 3355. So your total bill would be 6327 which is an increase of $160 a month. So then if you um if we if it's passed um this rate increase on May 1st of 2026 would be the second phase of this increase and the monthly bill would go from 6327 to 64.95. So in compass from the second rate increase to our current today you would be looking at $3.28 a month and then from October to May the increase is $1.68 a month. So for those minimum users, you're looking at $3.28 a month

in. And I mean, there's a lot of residents that we have that are 2,000 gallons or less. Um, so I mean, and if anybody has, you know, wants to know what their 6,000 gallon looks like, come see me at the office tomorrow and I will break it down at that. But at this point, that is exactly what the minimum user is looking at. That's what people want to know. So what percentage is that? Yes. So each one is is a pro is a 5% increase. Okay.

Adjustable. Sorry. He said adjust. I'm at like 3,100 gallon a month. How does that affect that? You're talking base. I'm talking base rates. I can figure that based on the ordinance on exactly consumption or what that looks like. You're I would rather it's just a 5% increase. It's a 5% increase for the rates on the sewer rate. The sewer rate. Yes. This is a sewer utility rate increase only. water state water hydrant X that's all staying in stack it's all the same this is just the sewer utility

so and I'm I'm happy to do a calculation at the office but this was just the base bill that everybody wants to know about yes ma'am there was a nasty room I found probably a whole lot higher so that's why I'm very happy bill. Not at this time. Can't say what the future looks like, but not at this time. That is that is what the ordinance is. And there's copies up here for everybody like this. I'll probably have to pay. Yeah. Minor fixture.

Yeah. No, and that's we understand that. But we we've got infrastructure that's 55 plus years old. At the end of the day, we we've got old infrastructure both for water and sewer. Um I won't say it was neglected, but previous administrations did not invest in the technology to get it up to speed. Um things are wearing out being replaced and this increase going to start doing that. It's we've been seeing since I've been on the board, we've had steady increases catching up. There's 25 years with no increases, right? Yeah.

So now now we're paying the price for that neglect. Someone has to do it. So nobody wants to be the bearer of bad news. Yeah. Want to be the villains, but um we want to make sure that our town is still here in the next 50 to 100 years. We won't be, but um we got to look ahead. And like Rich said, uh there's a lot of things that need to be fixed.

Yes. And we also um have the state uh telling us things also. IDM is uh um you know, they're not fun to work with and um they say things that we don't like, but things we have to do. And it doesn't bother them that we you can say you don't have any money to do it with. They don't care. They don't care. They want it fixed. At the end of the day, our goal is when you turn on the faucet, you have clean water to drink and when you flush the toilet, it goes in the right direction. And um no, nobody pays too much

nobody pays too much attention to those things until something goes wrong. And uh unfortunately um we're in a phase right now where we we need to reinvest in our system both water and sewer.

And and not that we haven't been trying over the years. We have tried to do this years ago. Uh we get stopped when it comes to getting the money because we don't meet the requirements. We need to be a poorer and so we don't meet the requirements and so we don't get them. we don't get the chance to borrow the money that's out there. Then here we are. We we have finally gotten a chance and you know we have to jump on it. We just can't wait.

Our a good portion of our wastewater infrastructure from 1970 and it's 2025 now and it's been mandated. So, so any other questions? Any other comments? Position to get some grant money to work on this. Yes. Yes. Trying. Yeah. We're tryingunities that is facing this infrastructure issue. So, you're working on the water right now. Yes. And we got a grant. We finally got a grant for that. Yes.

Yes. Some of that the water that we did did not cause a rate increase because of the ochre grant we had and the ability to use some cash on hand. So you guys, as far as rate payers, it's been a blessing that we did not have to raise rates for that project. But the sewer project is a much larger and more it's much more costly to take care of sewer than it is water. So, but yeah. So, any other questions on the public? We can talk about water project. Thank you. Any other questions? Motion to close the public hearing. All in favor? I.

Thank you. So, we have an ordinance to approve. Thanks. Um, a motion that we approve ordinance number 07-21-2025. Uh, ordinance amending the rates of the town of Akran's municipal sewage utilities. Second.

All in favor? I. Uh, moving on to resolution 08-18-2025 appropriations reduction. Um, I'm working on the 2026 budget and while doing so, um, the fire fund which doesn't generate a lot of revenue and basically to sustain it year after year, I have to requested a reduction about this time of year so it can support the 20. So, um, that is what the approach is. Okay.

I'll make a motion that we accept resolution 08-18-2025 appropriations reduction resolution of $9,000. Second. All in favor? I I

Thank you. Next we have the dockets of $190,896 69.

Didn't see anything. No, I see we made the final payment to CCMG. Yeah, that's close out for around the 24,000. Got it. I make a motion that we set the dockets of 190 89669. Second. All in favor? I I the payroll. All right.

Couple things real quick. I had talked about last meeting um for budget adoption, our October meeting needed to be potentially changed. Um I got the agenda today for my conference and it doesn't start till 11:00 a.m. on that Tuesday. So I'll just drive that morning. So we can still meet the October 20th council meeting date. I just need to know that Rich and Jim will both be present and available that day with Tony having to abstain being a volunteer fireman to approve the budget. I'll make sure I'll make sure my calendar's clear. All right. Anything else we need to do?

Um, well, we got an email by Adam's here. We got an email on Friday. They submitted their information to SRF um on behalf um of the town for the sewer. And we received a response back from SRF from Alex kind of stating that even though our timeline said it, he has seen historically that lining up us meeting the third quarter and Oprah that that doesn't seem to always line up with the deadlines. So there was some concern there that like we couldn't meet it. Um, additionally, I also asked Alex and our request uh for forgivable ban funding. Uh, and I had asked him for 3.7 million and he had he said uh even if uh you guys could get the DAC designation, he did not believe they had that funding and their uh program available this year for forgivable principal.

And there was a caveat. I guess not everybody knows like that that there was sludge added like the sludge removal was added in there but was potentially going to be taken out if we couldn't get that grant.

Yeah. I I had asked even past the sludge. I had asked him I said hey with the sludge project and then I gave him a second up I said with the project without sludge would you be able to work within these confines and I had asked yeah for 3.7 and he said yeah they they did not have funds available in the SRF program this year for that forgivable uh ban amount. So basically there we either need to have another special meeting um because you're looking at we need to be making decision whether we proceed because there is no guarantee that we're going to get that ochre grant and we continue forward with the project or we wait till first quarter of 27 which you would potentially find out next year if we're in the fundable round. But basically, we're throwing our hat out the window then now that well, we're going to wait in hopes that these things are going to happen and that we're going to get a better deal. Rates are prices are still going up. I mean, we're in a

difficult situation there, but I will just say that that's what you're up against right now. So, I'll read verbatim what Alex told me uh on this uh you can do everything we can do everything we can to accommodate ones uh that are closing early in Q1 next year and pri prioritize OPRA awards. So, you'd be well positioned to get something at least in the same lines as what we could do this year, but technically you would need to reapply, meaning uh yeah, it's not not so reapplying means we could be at the bottom of the total bowl again.

Uh I don't I think based on what he said, he thinks you guys would uh would be in the same position, but uh I mean you could be rescored lower. that I mean that that is the risk um risk that it's just ridiculous and that's if we try to go for the forgivable principle uh or that that's uh if we wait for the for the uh Oprah award I asked about the forgivable principal this year and he said no no

he said they you know could have a different package next year u but yeah he he expects that it's yeah well positioned to get something at least in the same lines as what we could do this year was his exact quote. Um and Mark Sullivan said if we need to call him he would be available by phone. He has just seen other he gave me an example of another community that kind of was in our same situation and they waited a year and SRF gave him the exact same package and the only thing that changed was the cost of everything went up for the whole. So, I mean, I'm not not saying that's what's going to happen here, but in his experience, he saw that.

Yeah. I would like for us to talk to Mark. Definitely a special meeting. Yes. Because I you know, what kind of timelines are we looking at here? I mean, I don't think we can afford to delay. No, I I totally agree. I talked to Mark earlier and he said assuming you guys wanted to move this fiscal year and SRF would still allow us without that uh without pursuing Oprah that he does believe uh that he would be in the position to have uh bids by mid January for a March 2026 close is what he told me.

Okay. So both of these programs are tied together. They don't they don't they don't have they don't have ti tied together. You just be uh I mean what you'd be doing is giving out the pursuit of a grant that I think uh Shannon I believe was 7 750 wasn't it? That's almost a million bucks just because of the timing.

Yeah. Alex and the timings do uh with Oprah, you'd find out February uh and then we got to have things together for them in March. I just said timings timing is too close for SRF mean you still can't pursue an okraally, right? We could do that. We can do that later. But yeah, I don't want to wait. I think we can. There's no way. Not with it. You You go back and tell them, "Yeah, we're finally in the funible range and we say no. You'll start seeing the fines being slapped finally."

Yeah. I I would still recommend having a having a discussion with Mark and yes, Shannon and Eric included as well just uh I mean they have a wealth of different experiences that could uh you know, they had different perspectives to bring to it. But I can reach out to Alex though and see if uh if that was not a piece of it before didn't have a co if uh timing wise he'd be counterable. Okay. How how soon can we can we know then? Uh I mean on on on Alex on Alex I can I can uh give him a call or reach out to him in the morning.

Okay. So, I mean, he's I mean, he's usually pretty quick to respond to me with and usually give him a day or so if he's in the office. Anything else? Any discussion? I got a question. Okay. So, I know you're working on the water project, right? Yes. As far as how much it's going to go up, you don't know until you end up in the end there. the water the water shouldn't go up at all because we we already have the funding for that. Um we got a grant and um we had funds

and then we had funds in the town that we had set back and we were able to pay for all of it. Yeah. What they're going to be doing. Yeah. It's we have the money for that. So, we're very fortunate that that happened.

Well, and maybe I don't know just to give a little like we know what's going on. I don't know that they know what the project is. So, basically the force name which carries from our main lift station back to the lagoons is 1970. There's potential for a new force main to be put in there. So when that one, we've already had to repair it twice and that's the only way to get your sewage to the lagoons. So looking at a new force name lift station overhauls with all the controls and all that stuff in there. Um our wetlands that were put in in 1998. Um unfortunately there's a drop of water that goes out the effluent discharge which should go to Town Lake. We are in violation with IDM. Nothing can be discharged. So we're having to reroute that flow back to our lagoons. But we're also working on our lagoons because the um they're stagnant. There's no ariation one. So, we're needing to add ariation to um meet limits so we can discharge out there. So, it's violations that are out of our control. It used to be where the lagoons were operated in a manner of let them fill up and when it was free time they would just dump the stuff out. That

you dread them out. No, you didn't even dredge them out. No, but that that's a $3 million project in you let them fill up, wait till you got a big rain event and then open them up and let them not how are supposed to operate regardless of treatment.

Yeah. So, we've just we have made Dan Fox was here now who's our certified wastewater operator. We've made leaps and bounds in the last several years on erecting operations. Um the the guys installed new valves last year because we couldn't even properly open and close the lagoons. Um, and we did that with cash on hand. So, we're making great improvements, but there's some things that are just out of the scope of like what we can handle um, here without outsourcing it. So, um, not ideal. Um, I get that, but I also our job is to make sure we take care of our community. And, and I promise, this is my promise on all this stuff that we will have some type of long-term plan in place. It's not going to be we don't do anything till it's broke. If it's broke, don't fix it. That mindset is not 2025. We have to have a maintenance plan moving forward when we get our infrastructure upgraded. And everybody here believes that. I know our operators believe that. Um, and I hope here for because of that mindset and leadership. So, I mean, if you have questions about it, ask away at least. So, you kind of know what we're looking at.

John, we answer your question. Or was yours more related to the water side? More related to the water. Yeah. So again, the water treatment plant needs work. Uh towers need to be painted, cleaned out. Uh there's also infrastructure issues with the water towers um that need to be shored up to today's code.

Uh other than that, the towers are fine. They're old. You know, they're in great shape. You know, you hear stories this and that. That's like got to go back to the polls. I mean, you hear that Yeah. So, you know, SRF last year we didn't even qualify. So, this year we finally made it to get funding from the state

at a reduced rate and um you know makes it more palatable. But for that we'll have to to get a bond to pay for that and pay for it over time. So, this is fixing the current problems. Five years from now, you may be sitting in here saying, "What are you doing raising our rates?" Well, you know what? Rates go up. There's nothing we can do about it. And it's it's not just our town. It's it's it's everybody. Towns around the area. It's it's everywhere.

Say like we put out a comparative study every uh three or so years. And the trend you just see is I mean, the graph goes up because all your import costs are going up. your material like I was saying earlier materials uh labor contractual services and most of all I mean your uh large scale capital items I mean went through the roof after 2020 we're just trying to do what we can on what we can afford to do

there's we couldn't afford to put a mechanical plant in which is the newer technology we're still using open lagoons mechanical plant is what Rochester uses or Warsaw. Our community can't even afford that. It's not even on the table. We did. So, we didn't empty out the houses here. If we had to do that, nobody want to stay. And I think the state recognizes that like, you know, there's only 1,200 people here, 460 houses. We can't afford to do it. Was at those meetings 20 some years ago. I know we should have done it then, but nobody ever wants to close the courts. That's just it.

Yeah. It's it's it's tough when you are spending someone else's money and you have to raise rates to do it. It's it and it's it's just something that everybody does. I mean, all the towns have to do this. We want to get money, do projects, you have to raise rates. That that's the bottom line. You have to raise rates. It's the only way you get the money. Becca made a point, you know, when the lagoons were put in, um, the effluent was within state standard. Well, 10 years later, they change the standard. It's more restrictive.

Um, so as time goes, our lagoons when we built them, they weren't great. The state says these are fine. Uh, 30 years later, they say the the standard gets pushed up higher, the regulations a combined sewer system. You know, the state was all for tying in all the highways to people's sewer systems. 20 years later, they're saying, "Well, you need to undo it." Yeah. We're saying, "Fine, we're going pay for it. Can't do that. We couldn't afford to do that either." So,

uh they changed the regulations as time goes on. Uh you know, regulations become more strict. So, we're just we're living like all the other little communities trying to figure it out one piece at a time and and doing what we can afford. I pulled up past minutes to get because I thought maybe it had to do with the rate increase like what he was talking about, but it doesn't. So, all this division one, two, and three, we have the money for that. That's a lot of money. Correct. We did a$1 point whatever $2 million project and we paid $300,000 of it

out of our and we had between we used other funding sources. It wasn't just all about our utility, but we were able to pull from some other funds to make that match so that we didn't have to impact rates knowing that we had the sewer thing coming. So, we still have a bond from 2015 for on the water side. So, we seek to this ochre grant to get some major things done on the water side and we should be good there that could sustain us until we get that bond paid for. We paid off our sewer bond last year. So, we don't currently have any monthly expense other than our reoccurring at this time. And that's why I don't want to say it's the best time to move to this project, but we we're not going to have two bonds out. We we will only have the one. So, um, but yeah, no, that's all cover. So, I mean, it's like our CCMG. Whenever that stuff happens, you might see that we did a $600,000 project. We only paid historically 25% of that cost to get our roads and our sidewalks, all that done. Um, now they've made changes effective July 1st that we'll only have to pay 20% of that match. So, we do get a little bit more. So we I will say I try to do my due diligence on seeking out as much grant funding as humanly possible for things to get done here. Um and the board's supportive. We have a phenomenal grant writer um that does the larger scale projects. So we try to help maximize our dollars to best of our abilities. appreciate.

Was there anything else? Any questions? Comments? If not, I'll make a motion that we close meeting. I'll second. All in favor? I thank you for coming tonight. Appreciate it. Squash all those rumors. Yeah, you can tell them it's going up 300%.