Remarks by Steve Rogers
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I just had, Neal, I don't know if you can answer this on the Condi contract. I think there was like a, I was a little confused, and maybe you can just explain the $75,000 bonus for the road construction process, whether or not they hit all the requirements to qualify for that. I wasn't clear on whether that was being paid or not.
I do, okay? As a mother-in-law, I think that's very personal. I have to say that because my mother-in-law does live there.
It lowers the requirement, because I think there's only one instead of two.
Yeah. There's a section in the new ordinance that deals with internal accessory apartments. Then there's a separate section for detached accessory apartments. Yes.
But I understand this is just a mandate from the state. We have no discretion.
Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful to be gathered here together as the City Council and as residents of our wonderful city, Pleasant Grove. We're grateful to conduct some business that helps our city to move forward and to be a great place to live. We're grateful for our community and the support of one another and the differences that we share and the way that that makes our community vibrant and and that it helps us to learn and grow from each other. We're grateful to be able to hear from our residents and help us all to maintain respect for one another and to consider the issues and the…
Well, I think I already brought it back up where we closed it.
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But importantly for me, and I verify that you said it already, is that the setbacks are the same, whether it's rural residential or R-120. For the flag lot, yes. For the flag lot, they're the same.
I just wanted to make an additional comment before. Sorry to cut you off, Scott. But, I mean, we did discuss... and express some concern. I know we've allocated this much for part of the library project, and then I think as we learned that to get what they really are proposing that they need, they needed quite a bit more money, almost double what we originally had kind of contemplated allocating. I know that many on the council, we expressed kind of a little reservation on allocating a million dollars to this project. And which right now we're allocating 400,000, but it sounds like- But all…
Can I ask a question of Denise? I'm sorry if you have this. I'm trying to, I usually keep a record of everything, but once we pass the budget, then I put it in my file at my office. what did we have this as a line item for originally on the one-time monies? Because it was originally asked out of the one-time monies and then we moved it to CARE, right? So I'm just asking, what did we have originally as the amount on the one-time money ask? And how much was the phase one, do you remember?
Is that what it was on the actual sheet? Yeah. Because again, I understand what you guys have on your numbers. I'm just wondering what was handed to me You know what I mean? I understand you had some care money, you had some other things allocated. I just want to know what was handed to me as the number that was asked to be allocated. I remember it being 900. Then there were two phases, and the first phase was an amount, and the second phase was an amount. It wasn't broken down into 250 and 300 and all that. It was just one amount. I'm sorry I'm putting you on the spot. I know. I'm just…
I don't know if that it was 600. Do we have the number?
So we allocated, this year, we allocated 300 and something thousand, 350, yeah, 342. That's closer to the number that I was remembering, plus we had some money that we had already allocated. And we thought for that amount, we were gonna be able to get a pavilion. I think once the engineers, who are a lot smarter and more experienced than us, got involved, they said, wait a minute, you can't get a pavilion for that much money.
I mean, I really appreciate, Neil, I hope you don't feel like we blame you at all. I think what happens is these things evolve, and then as they evolve, me personally, I look at it and say, okay, well, now we have a lot more information than we did when we allocated the funds a couple years ago, and then even this year, now we have a lot more information, and for me personally, it may come down to, okay, maybe we do need, I think I personally need more time to evaluate whether a million dollar project, 200,000 of it, which is coming out of general fund, which we, you know, directly correlates…
I think I would push back on that a little, Scott, because we specifically talked about the money when the full ask was 900, and we did not approve 900. No, correct. And now you're here asking for 823.
And I think it was pretty clear from our discussion, we weren't ready to do that. We had to have a lot more discussion about what we were getting. And to me, it changed my perspective of the project. And that's where, now seeing the rendering, I'm like, that is a great space. I'm a little curious as if the library needs it. Is this the long-term use for this space that we really want? So now it starts opening a can of worms. If all of a sudden we were at a $500,000 project, and now we're you know, 60% higher than that, and we're trying to comprehend this in real time when it's the first time…
Can I ask you to ask Sherry to maybe just proactively provide the use and what the difference of having this would be rather than being able to do the same type, like Council Member Lamone brought up, the same type of program by walking across the street and using the pavilion that currently exists.
More so than just we have an outdoor space now is why specifically do we need this outdoor space as opposed to just setting the program to be at downtown park and that's where people meet.
To me, a dollar is a dollar. And if we're asking for people to come up with 600K, then we've got to be very careful about allocating where we allocate our money. And so I get what you're saying, Dustin. This is a one-time money allocated somewhere else. It's not ongoing like we needed the tax increase for. And I feel comfortable with doing that. But what I think comes down to my personal conviction then is I want to make sure I know that we're using the dollars that are going to benefit the greatest good in our city. And so that's what I want to know is going to happen with this project.
Are you comfortable if I move to continue this to be put on a future agenda as staff?
So Mayor, I'll make a motion that we continue action item 10A that is listed on the agenda tonight without date.
So this is additional time to what would be sick and vacation?
Can I just add? I'm sorry, Scott. I just kind of piggybacking on Council Member Lamone's statement. Is there... I saw him bring in the petition back, the copy that we asked for. I don't know, Scott and Neil, if you guys can maybe go through that and give us a report on your thoughts on whether that shifts our thinking as a city, just kind of with our... knowledge of that stop being a little different than maybe just a cold, hard analytic, you know, analyzing the facts, but whether there's maybe a reason to reconsider. I don't know. I'd just like to have... Council Member Lamone's statement,…
Can you guys also just consider the understanding that, I mean, I think Neil, you talked about how people are gonna have to go up and cross at different places. Sometimes people aren't as proactive as we want them to be in finding new places to cross the street. So I don't know if there's other solutions regarding crossing the road there, if there's alternatives to that. Alternatives to a stop sign, I don't know. Maybe just something that comes back to us.