City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening and welcome to a joint meeting of the Burbank City Council with the Housing Authority on Tuesday, October 13th, 2026. Please join me in a moment of reflection. This moment is intended to begin our meeting with the positive and collective support for our beloved community. The City Council welcomes everyone joining us this evening. We encourage you to take a moment to reflect on our community and the work we'll be doing tonight. Although each of us has our own unique reasons for being here, we are united in our passion for our wonderful city. As we pause, let us consider our indivi

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Good evening, Madam City Clerk. How are you tonight? Fantastic. How are you? I'm good, thank you.

So tonight there will be six periods of public comment. Members of the public may comment in person or remotely for all comment periods. In-person commenters must submit cards before the public comment period begins, and remote commenters must be in the queue with their hands raised before the public comment period begins. The first public comment period is for joint general public comment on any matter considering concerning city business and or any agenda item if you are here in person and you wish to speak during joint general public comment please submit a yellow public comment card to add

All right, we have four presentations tonight. Our first presentation this evening is a presentation of a proclamation declaring October 18th to 24th, 2026, as National Veterinarian Technician Appreciation Week in the city of Burbank. And I invite the city's veterinary technicians, Jeanette Dease and Kim Rotter, along with volunteer veterinary technician, Kristen Beach, to join me at the podium. Welcome. Would any of you like to say a few words about what you do and why you're so important in our city? I'm Kim.

Has anyone adopted an animal from the animal shelter? Yes, we did too. And about 10, 12 years ago before COVID. And our puppy, Dexter, when we adopted him, he had come from the streets and he had parvo before we adopted him. So thank you for taking care. I don't know if you were on staff back then, but thank you for taking care of him. Yes, so that he could, he survived it. And thank you for that so he could live with us. And, you know, let's really appreciate that. All right, so I'm gonna read the proclamation, then we'll take some pictures, okay? So National Veterinary Technician Appreciatio

She's coming here. I'm going to go there. And who wants to hold the clock? One of you guys hold it. She did the talking.

Our next presentation this evening is a presentation of a proclamation declaring October 18th to 24th, 2026 as United Against Hate Week in the city of Burbank. And I invite Burbank Human Relations Council President Laura Strobel and Burbank Unified School District Superintendent Dr. Tom McCoy to join me at the podium. I'll bring all of whoever you want to bring up. Yes, wonderful. All right, who would like to speak first?

Thank you so much. Okay, I'm gonna read the proclamation and then we'll take a picture. Proclamation United Against Hate Week, October 18th to 24th, 2026. Whereas the city of Burbank is a community that respects diversity and affirms our commitment to safety and belonging for all residents, and whereas hate presents a threat to communities everywhere and creates an atmosphere of fear and division, and whereas education, compassion, critical thinking, and cooperation are key to unlocking understanding and embracing differences amongst people, and whereas we seek to join other fellow California

Our next presentation is a presentation of a proclamation declaring October 1st through 31st, 2026 as Domestic Violence Awareness Month in the city of Burbank. I invite Executive Director of the Family Service Agency, Lori Bleck, I always pronounce your last name poorly, I'm sorry, to join me at the podium. Okay, all right, come on, come on up. Wow. Oh, wow. OK. So who would like to speak on this?

All right, thank you. All right, I'm going to read the proclamation and we'll do pictures. All right. Domestic Violence Awareness Month, whereas domestic violence occurs across society, regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, wealth, and geography, and whereas domestic violence is the single largest cause of injury to American women from all racial, cultural, and economic backgrounds and affects other family members as well. And whereas nearly 3 in 10 women and 1 in 10 men in the U.S. have experienced rape, physical violence, and are stalking by a partner and reported having a related impa

Our final presentation this evening is a presentation of certificates of recognition to the participating high schools of the City of Burbank's 2026 Clerk's Cup. And I invite Madam City Clerk Kimberly Clark to join me at the podium and hand out the certificates.

All right, let's take a picture. Oh, would you?

All right, next up, City Manager, do we have a report this evening?

Okay. All right, our next item this evening is a presentation of a state legislative update by California Public Policy Group, and I welcome Senior Legislative Advocate Kira Ross and Associate Lobbyist Claire Sullivan to begin the presentation. Welcome.

Thank you so much for the presentation. Counsel, do you have any questions, comments? Council Member Anthony.

Thank you for that exhaustive list. Just one question. The Attorney General weighing in on the tax credit, is he – maybe in your experience, have you seen any other type of tax credit or tax rebate program that isn't capped at the state level? Because I haven't heard of that before. Is he weighing in because it's a legal issue, like you need a number to move it through the budget?

On the same vein, talking about the tax credit, I know you mentioned that we'll see that coming back. Have there been talks of any member putting something forward? Because I know that was kind of the rolling discussion. Who's up to the plate and when should we expect something?

Great. And we can hope and we can also, it's helpful to know who to target for us. And I know Rick Chavez has been a champion for the entertainment industry. So I know who to bug.

Thank you. First, I'm so excited about the PRAs and business days instead of having dealt with them for many years.

I'm sure the city clerk is extremely happy. It is. Yeah, it's about time. Question regarding cleaner energy projects. the high costing of utility rates on the consumers. Has anything been submitted or looked at or pushed back in regards to that topic? I noticed they talked about water in here, but nothing about cleaner energy and subsidizing, helping with utilities.

Thank you. Well, hopefully that's assuming they're able to balance the budget and not overspend, that they can offer the consumers some additional funds. Thank you.

Council Member Rosati, any questions, comments?

No, ma'am. Thank you for your presentation.

Thank you for your presentation. I have a quick question about the e-bikes. I'm really glad to see the state has updated the definitions and made some other changes. Has the police department chatted with you about these updates yet? Have you talked to them about that? I have not.

Okay. Six months ago I think we talked about the e-bike conversation. So these updates will be important for them to hear and hopefully the police commission will hear this as well and we can get some updates here on council as well. And then just very briefly, the nitrous oxide sales, thank goodness that that's being prohibited. So when does that start? January 1st? That should start January 1st.

Great. Yeah. You know, we've get emails periodically about it, and other cities have tackled it.

So thank you so much for your presentation, all this hard work, such a close look at everything. And also for your regular reports, giving us updates of what's going on, because it's hard to keep up with everything. So really appreciate you keeping up for us. and highlighting all that for us. So thank you for your part tonight.

Okay, now is the time for joint general public comment. I'll be calling out the speaker's name as well as the person who is next in line to speak. In order to keep public comment moving in a timely fashion, we have a designated seat in the front row for speakers who are up next to the podium. Remote participants wishing to speak during joint general public comment who have not yet joined the speaker queue may do so now by dialing star nine by telephone or using the raise hand feature on Zoom. Please note if you are calling from a blocked or private number you will be introduced as anonymous an

All right. Just under the wire. So three minutes. You got three minutes. You don't have to use the three minutes, but you have it if you'd like it. All right. So our first speaker in person is Ron Bax, followed by Cynthia Pease.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Cynthia Pease, followed by Jim Lane.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Jim Lane, followed by Ricard, I think it says Ricard Perez. Welcome.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is, it looks like, Ricard Perez, followed by Julio Jaramil. Or Richard? Ricard? Ricardo? No? Okay, I'll put it aside in case he comes back. Julio, I think, Jaramil? Jaramil? Followed by Mark Cox.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Mark Scroggs followed by Brenton Douglas.

Next up is Brenton Douglas followed by Eric Hawk.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Eric Hawk, followed by Diana Pulver.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Diana Pulver, followed by Ruben Mendoza. Welcome.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Ruben Mendoza, followed by Elora Charles.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Elora Charles followed by Joe Pimienta.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Joe Pimienta, followed by Carmenita Heliger.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Carmenita Heliger, followed by Cameron Tennyson.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Cameron Tennyson followed by Noriwala.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Noriwala, followed by Gemma.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Jomo with a little heart, followed by David Donahue.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is David Donahue, followed by Dan Kleiman. And that's my last card.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Dan Kleinman, and that's my last card.

Thank you for your comment. I do have one card. The gentleman wasn't here earlier. Richard or Ricardo Perez? No? Okay. Then we will move on to our callers. Do we still have callers on the line?

Thank you. All right. There being no further public comment, I now declare the joint general public comment period closed. Now is the time for a brief response from city council, city manager, or city attorney. City manager, city attorney?

I'm not very familiar in the book publishing world. When we say self-published, that's anybody who hasn't gone through a traditional publishing house? That's correct. Okay.

All right, thank you. Okay, thank you for that clarification. If there was an opportunity in the future to consider self-publishing, is that done specifically through your office? Is that just a unilateral thing?

Since you're here, talking about this just really quick, I know this is not an agenda item, so we can't ask too many questions, but just for edification on how to move forward, does the library itself in the collection bring in self-published authors and have a criteria for that?

Well, obviously, this event was a huge success. Is there a possibility that could be done twice a year so we can allow more? It's a lot of work, I know. But obviously, it sounds like there's a high demand and something maybe to consider in the future.

Hopefully they're listening and they can discuss it at their next meeting.

Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any more from city manager, city attorney? No? Okay. Council members, who would like to go first? Council member Anthony.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you to everyone coming down. It's not easy stepping up here or calling in and paying attention. I just, first, Mr. Tennyson, congrats on going back all the way to 2023. That's impressive. In November... The last week of November this year, I will have attended all but two city council meetings in the city of Burbank. And the two I missed, I watched on YouTube. It is fascinating to see the patterns over the last 10 years repeat themselves. So yes, I have seen that too. Mr. Bax, the social media manager for the city is well aware of my engagement online. So I think

Yes, who would like to go next? Council Member Rosati.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Veterinarian Appreciation Week, thank you for those folks for keeping our pets healthy. You know, it's a tough job. I know our shelter is full and your support is greatly appreciated. Thank you to the folks at the Human Relations Committee for your vigilance on United Against Hate. I don't know if anyone attended that, but that seemed to be a very good turnout. And the folks at FSA for, again, your vigilance on domestic violence. Our clerk for putting on the clerk's cup. Thank you very much. Everyone seemed to enjoy that. Mr. Bax, thank you for mentioning Italian Herita

Council Member Perez, would you like to go next?

Thank you to everybody who came tonight and spoke. Appreciate it. Congratulations to all the presentations. I'll try to be very unbiased. Congrats, Burroughs, on winning the cup again. I said try. No, I'm glad we're getting more voter registration. I hope this encourages the students at Burbank High to register even more people next year. I know our clerk will make sure that happens.

And thank you to- I'm going to make sure that happens.

Good. We need more folks registered to vote. And if competition is what does it, great. And thank you to the folks with the Human Relations Council for the rally and for talking about hate. We have sure seen a lot of hatefulness in our country and in our city. And so I'm glad that there's people talking about it. And happy Italian American Heritage Month, council member. And to my family and all our indigenous community, happy Indigenous Peoples Day. Yesterday.

Vice Mayor, would you like to go next? Thank you. All right. Like my colleague said, thank you all for being here tonight and for staying with us and speaking. Congratulations to everyone that received the proclamation and to Madam City Clerk for continuing that clerk's cup. Also for the Unite Against Hate, the BHRC always come up and remind us of all the wonderful things that you do. And I am wearing your pin. So let's make sure this month is no hate month for everyone. Let's see here. Mr. Douglas. Like my colleague said, we're going to address this issue. But I do appreciate you being here t

Thank you for that explanation. And yes, I think it's important that the senders have to clarify it's for agenda item 15 or agenda item for Tuesday and give the date definitely to make it much more easier for staff to identify what to send to the city clerk's office. But I know there's a lot of folks that don't go on the e-comments and even though we implemented this many, many years ago. But I would really appreciate looking at Glendale and Pasadena.

Okay. I'll bring that up later, but also we'll talk about the e-commons and my request later to identify what it actually can have as an attachment or not. Thank you. Let me see if I'm done with the... Yes, I think the other items we'll be discussing on the agenda. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, as always, thank you for coming out tonight and speaking on the items that are important to you and sending us emails and calls and meetings and all the correspondence you gave us since our last meeting. Also, happy Indigenous Peoples Day and happy Italian American Month. Mr. Vax, I'm excited because we agree on something. I don't know if he's still here. Oh, he's here. We agree. I want to know how many at-fault and no-fault evictions we have, too. So let's figure that out. We can figure out how to find out that number. I like that. We agree on that. And then you asked ab

Yes. Sorry, I needed to acknowledge the speaker that talked about the airport authority and encouraging the council to meet with the authority because I know that we've heard, I believe it's the same individual, and I'm aware that the airport authority has actually directed their attorney to work with our city attorney, I believe, to figure out or come up with a solution, resolution, or some sort of agreement to come up with for the authority. So Mr. City Attorney.

Okay, so it's been looked at and addressed and it's back with the airport authority attorney or the authority itself. For follow-up on the items the commissioners requested from their own staff.

Okay, thank you. All right, anything else? All right, let's move on to the next item, which is a consent calendar. Consent calendar may be enacted in one motion. Madam City Clerk, please read the consent calendar.

All right. Thank you. Yes, Vice Mayor, I see your hand up.

I'm going to move to approve the consent calendar as presented. But if it's possible, if our fire chief is here, that could give us a really quick update about this wonderful $468,000 grant that we received. Because I know it takes a lot of work and that's a lot of money you got.

Thank you so much for the update, and that's why I wanted the community to hear from you and know how important. I mean, $468,000 is a lot of money, and it keeps our program going. And I hope they're able to do it every other year, every couple of years, so you can get the funds.

Thank you, Ed, and thank you for sharing that. And, yeah, kudos to your staff for pursuing that grant and winning it. And please let us know, as a grant's being used, how many folks are being trained and the success stories so we can hear. Sometimes when we get grants, we don't always hear the other side of how those grants are used, and this is one of those cases where I think the community would really like to hear how successful it is. So thank you.

So I do have a motion, but it hasn't been seconded.

All right, tonight we have five reports to council. After staff's presentation, the City Council will proceed with joint public comment. Speakers will be allowed to speak on the item at the conclusion of the presentation, as long as the speaker has not spoken on the item during the first period of joint general public comment. Please be sure to submit your public comment card now, as no additional public comment cards will be accepted once the comment period commences following staff's presentation. If you'd like to participate in remote public comment for this report, please join via Zoom usi

Great. Thank you. We will now proceed to public comment for this report to council, and no additional cards will be accepted. Great. Madam City Clerk, I see we have one in-person comment. Do we have any comments online? Okay. So the one comment, one speaker, you'll have three minutes, up to, is Chris Welker.

Thank you for your comment. All right, we have now completed public comment for this report to council. Let's move on to the vote.

Congratulations. All right. Well, next we'll proceed to the next item on the agenda, which is the appointment to fill one vacancy for the Burbank Cultural Arts Commission for a next bio term. Again, Madam City Clerk, will you please present the report?

OK. Thank you for the report. We will now move on to public comment. Do we have any public comment for this item?

All right, moving on to the third appointment to fill one vacancy on the Sustainable Burbank Commission for unexpired term. Madam City Clerk, will you please present this report as well?

Great. Thank you for the report. We will move on to public comment. We have two public comment cards. Do we have any online comments for this one? We do not. Okay. So you will have three minutes for your public comment. First is Joshua Glass and then followed by Douglas Carlson.

Thank you for your comment. Next up is Douglas Carlson.

Thank you for your comment. Wonderful. Okay. So let's move on to then if the public comment is closed, let's move on to the vote. Okay.

Congratulations. And thank you to both of you for applying. And we say this each time. We have multiple applicants. We only have one spot. And we would love to appoint you all. So please consider applying again. And we would love to see you be on a future commission. So continue.

Yes. Mr. Glass, if I might, you should join the waste warriors. It's a great program, and I would have recommended it to Mr. Carlson, too, because you both have extensive experience in different parts of sustainability, and I think you will be a great benefit to the commission. And I think if you apply again, you would be a great benefit as well. But definitely try that program for anybody who's interested. It's a great place to learn about our sustainability efforts and how to spread the word on them, which I know you're already doing. So thank you so much. Yes, Vice Mayor.

Thank you, and thank you for applying, and hopefully next time we'll see you back again. I just want to have a request for those that did not get appointed tonight to please, when you apply again in the future, to contact council in advance, email us. We love talking to you on the phone or having one-on-one meeting. so we can learn about you more in advance instead of just here at the chamber. It gives us an opportunity to learn more about you. And so next time, give us a call or an email, and we're happy to meet and talk to you. Thank you.

Thank you for that reminder. Also, for those who are listening and for those in the audience, please attend the commission meetings, even if you did not get appointed. The commission meetings, they really listen to the commenters. And specifically for sustainability, I've seen sustainability take on items because of public comment. So you can be involved. You don't have to be sitting on the commission in order to be involved. You can actively be involved to make a difference by attending and making public comment and meeting the commissioners who are working on the ground among all these issue

Thank you so much for the presentation. We'll do public comment, and then we'll come back with questions and comments. Looks like we have a card. Do we have any callers on the line? OK. So we have one public comment. Greg Lewis, you have three minutes.

Thank you for your comment. Okay. So we have now completed public comment for this report. Does staff have any response to public comment?

Great, thank you. Okay, who would like to go first with questions? Yes, Councilmember Anthony.

Thank you for the presentation. I just wanted to talk a little bit about timeline and then process. So tonight we're voting on the director to execute the agreement. Does this have to come back for a second reading in a couple weeks? No. So the reason I ask, because we're looking at the timeline here. If we, so a citywide PLA is going to take a while to get there. But we've just heard from Clark that they're able to do their own negotiations project by project. If we're saying that... An amendment has to come to this tonight. Is there any reason it has to be done tonight? Is there a way for us

So I guess my question is, we can approve this tonight with the stipulation that we're looking for a single project PLA. We can add that onto this and allow the designers and stuff to go out and have that discussion after tonight. It doesn't have to be locked down by the end of the evening, is what I'm asking.

Yes, let's see vice mayor first and councilman Rosati or do Okay, he keeps on calling me deputy mayor.

I comes with a race or something Thank you for that information and councilmember Anthony. Thank you for asking the question because As I think having PLAs in this particular project for the library is important to have. And you mentioned, I think the city attorney mentioned the airport, which was a great project, finished on time, budget, everything. However, when they entered into an agreement, they to the progressive design they already had an understanding that the PLA is going to be part of the project so unlike what we're hearing here today as much as I think this is wonderful to have th

So can you do the calculation? What is 3% of 100? I can do it on my phone really easily, but I think our finance director, it's best to have her give us that number.

Thank you, and I, Council Member Ruzzotti, obviously I shouldn't have challenged your $6 million, but I just did the 200,000 times 30 years, $6 million, thank you. So, and this is the kind of information that we need, the public needs to know, are we Going not to put a playground or a roof on a building or are we just gonna delay some projects We don't have that information. Mr. City manager. So I You know, I do want I do have questions regarding the project itself but speaking on the PLA right now I like Councilmember Anthony to say, can you come back and explain to us what that means? I know

I want to ask a follow-up, just because I definitely agree, Councilor Monza, it would be helpful to have that information. I do have to say, Mr. City Manager, I think the reason Council is a little baffled is because during our conversation about the PLA, which was in August, a lot of us referenced the library in many instances. as one of the major capital improvement projects that we assumed would fall under the PLA or could be impacted by the PLA. It was referenced several times, so I thought there would be some thought process there. Not Mr. Lashley's fault. You were working on a different

So in essence, you're saying we don't need to sacrifice a playground because you're very good at this and you would know how to work it out?

And for folks who may not know in the audience, I do, because I know we all know what we're talking about at this point. And as a social worker, I've been told that I can use acronyms a lot or industry terms. When we say prevailing wage, that just means that as a city or as a contractor or as an entity, you agree to pay what the prevailing wage is. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are hiring union workers. What a PLA establishes is that now all of the folks working on the project are trained, skilled union electricians, union laborers, union carpenters, union plumbers and pipe fitters, and

You want to finish your question? That's OK. Yes, so all this is, of course, all this is great explanation, but I think throughout the years, most of us have gone through engage in a contract agreement with construction and we know as much as I appreciate your comment about I can make it work or the two to three percent can make it work I don't know what that means because what I know from my real life experience when I entered into a construction contract I always end up with an additional bill because of changes because of additional labor because of many, many things, including material tha

While he's heading up, I just had a question. Was it $6 million or was it $3.1 to $4.6 million?

Well, I was basing it on the $200,000. $200 million. $200 million, right? And then we're seeing $155. And then my other question is, how tight is the $155? Is it a tight number?

I actually have a follow-up question to what you just said. If it's okay, Council Member Rosati, if I ask a follow-up question before you move on.

So with that project that you just mentioned, I'm sorry I didn't catch what project it was, but you mentioned that they asked for union labor and that it was later in the process that they asked for it. So that was without a PLA then?

Makes sense. That's why I didn't hear it. Okay. So I guess that just informs me that some of these provisions potentially could be done without formally calling it a PLA and still providing the same provisions and also maybe not updating the contract per se, but do the special cases, what you call special conditions instead of completely redoing the contract.

Thank you. I have a lot of questions. So first off, I just want to say I agree with Council Member Anthony that I think they should come back. We are in a public meeting. The documents are out. And if this is going to rise to the level of $4.6 million, I think everyone should have the right to review it and weigh in on it and be okay with it. Certainly I want to know more about the financing of this. What does this do to our general fund? How much of this money is coming from Measure P? How much money is this coming from the general fund? How much money is this coming from grants? How much mon

While she's heading up, Councilor Rosati, thank you for asking that because I had that question too. And to clarify, when I was talking about Some of us had the assumption, I am speaking for me, because I straight up said that during our PLA discussion. We could have projects like the library, which is coming up, be built under a PLA. And I would have liked that sometime between then and now, staff would have told me directly, hey, that's not going to happen, or we're not having the same expectation as you on this. So that's where I think the discrepancies. And I know I heard our mayor mention

I agree. I don't think we gave the direction is the problem. I don't remember giving that direction.

Could I ask just an interjection real quick before she does her thing? I have a weird question. If we approve this tonight as is, as is written, and then in three or four months or five months from now, community workforce agreements come to us and the city approves that and now everything's a PLA. Does that retroactively go back and force them to have to change everything?

Okay, and I wanted to ask that because I think we're... I'll get into that later, but okay. Thank you for that clarification.

What's the breakdown? Like what is the bonds? What's general fund? What's measure P? I was expecting to see those numbers.

And as far as, like, rising interest rates, fuel cost, you know, all the uncertainties worldwide, have we accounted for that in this budget?

And you heard that, you know, adding the PLA as a nominal amount of money is 4.6 million nominal in Jennifer Becker's eyes.

I know. I'm asking you. To me, it's a big number. And how do you balance this now? Because now you've just been told this is going to be $4.6 million more, potentially.

We get our information from the experts, which is you, finance, right? Yes, it is a tough decision, but I do value, of course, great labor. I value giving the contracts to people who are skilled, who are going to know what to do. However, sometimes in my own personal life, I can look at beautiful jaguar. I don't know why you picked jaguar, because I've never driven one, but... When I look at my pocket, I know I can't afford making monthly payment of $2,000 a month, so I have to settle for something a lot less. I'm listening to you, the expert. Yes, it is a tough decision for us, but I could te

To follow up on that question or that comment, so this is kind of about timing too, and that's follow up to what you were saying earlier, all of us are saying. So based on kind of what you're hearing from us tonight and what sounds like an interest on some level in shape or form to look at union labor and the other general conditions that we see at PLAs, what's the right timing for that to come in to give for staff and council to move, to say yes, move forward with that approach?

We can't have conversations. Sorry, but yeah, thank you. Vice mayor and then council member Anthony.

Thank you for mentioning the delays and the $770,000. And this really is I feel that we have been working The city has been working on this project for so many years. God, we started 2003 talking about a library. And we've had updates right here. And we understand that staff has been meeting and picking construction. All this takes time. But I don't think it's really, I don't wanna use the word fair, but for council to be sitting here tonight with this additional information that I had no idea about. And I'm coming here, I had my briefing with staff yesterday over this is what we're approving.

And if we tell you today, go ahead and let's assume the council as a whole or part, you know, you got the vote to move forward and look at the PLA for you guys, including that in your contract, not the city, because obviously we cannot have it with the city because there's still negotiations and we don't know what that's going to look like. When would we know what the real costs will be? And can you come back and tell us At that time, here's what your cost is going to be in order for us to make a wise decision without feeling like we're under the gun to make a decision to see if it's the right

Because you're coming back with the GMP for a separate council item, right? So during that comeback for the GMP, is that too late to be considering this? Yeah. Okay.

OK. So thank you, Madam Mayor. When you come back January, assume, we can, based on the cost that you're going to present, we can say, well, you know, it's really exceeding the amount. And maybe you need to make it smaller here and save some money or reduce some of the contract that you're having agreement with. And at that time, you'll be able to adjust the project and to adjust the amount, adjust everything before it's actually being finalized and implemented.

Council Member Anthony, you still have a question.

Yes, thank you. Since we're talking to experts, Madam Mayor, is it all right? We do have a labor expert who has walked in. Mr. Alvarez does work for the trades. He is very aware of local PLAs. Is it OK if I ask him some very pointed questions?

Well, what's the question you want to ask first?

So I wanted to ask him, first of all, a single project PLA. A, is it common for cities our size and projects this size? And B, does a local, a single project PLA also include the no strike clause? Because those are the two concerns that I have. Is it common? Is it normal? Is it something that happens all the time?

OK. The only other thing I would ask, is it all right if I can ask Mr. Clark, a project of this size, if it were to move forward, If there was a work stoppage, a walkout, a strike of some sort, in my understanding, that is far more expensive and causes far more delays than any other type of issue that may arise of a project this size and at the length that it's happening. I mean, we're looking at over a year, year plus, possibly even two years to the final. finishing touches even. But that's my understanding, that if there is a work stoppage, because to me, that's my number one concern, to mak

Okay. Anything else on the top of the PLA? I have a few more questions around the cost. Okay, so if we were to look at, make the decision in January on whether to ask for PLA union workers specifically hire, would that have an impact on the timeline, on the delay, would it have a negative impact or a delay impact on the project itself or would that, putting that in in January, would that fit in the timeline in a way that would allow for the project to move forward at the same pace, but also allow us to give us a little time to consider it and then to discuss it and decide then.

So let me know if you have any questions. I'm sorry, can you read that second option again, please?

Okay, and if I might do a follow-up with a clerk, if that were added as a provision into the contract, would that be something that would be feasible? That's fine. All right. Okay. Any other follow-up on that?

Yeah, Madam Mayor, I have two concerns with that. The one being there is no local hire clause, which is what changes things with the PLA. The other thing being, again, prevailing wage is one thing, but we're really talking about skilled labor. I appreciate the city attorney's office for presenting those two options. And I think the difference in them is, and this is a council decision, is time, right? Do we want to ask them to go into a PLA now or do we want to wait for January? I can tell you where I'm at and totally understand if my colleagues don't share that. And I'll tell you in a story.

Thank you Council Member Perez. I'm just a little confused because I think from what I heard from everyone saying we do want PLA but We were trying to figure out how we're going to get the PLA to be incorporated with the agreement to come back before the final construction design so we know what they agreed on, what it's going to look like, the amount of money. But I know personally I talked about PLA. Let me clarify.

Oh, okay. I'm sitting here going, okay, what have I missed? Because I think what we're hearing, what I heard, is we want PLA. So I don't think we finalized which option yet, but I am personally okay with moving forward with the PLA for the Clark Construction Company to negotiate with them directly, not with the city, because... We're far away from even reaching that agreement. But come back to us and give us the details in January to what that breakdown is going to look like so we can make a good decision on what to give up. Do we give up a small park or a piece of land the library that we can

You know, I was going to ask her to come up before we make a motion anyway and read both of them again. I know you were up here just giving us two different options. We were not finalizing on anything yet.

And that's basically what you stated earlier. You're going to go out there, find the design, look at the cost, come back in January, and give us, present us with the actual cost. And that's the time we make a decision to see if we need to keep it as it is or make some adjustments to the design.

Yeah, it's... Can I ask a clarifying question? Yes, go ahead.

In your mind, if we come back in January and there's... cost has changed, is there any world in which the cost and the design gets you out of voting for a PLA? Or is it, regardless of the project, we're going to have a PLA. But in January, I want to see the design and make adjustments based on the cost differences because the PLA is definitely moving forward.

Yeah. The way you stated it is accurate. I think at that time we make a decision to see where we're going to get the money from and do we move forward with the exact size of the project and maybe Ms. Becker finds us hidden money somewhere in our budget in your pocket that you can pull out of a hat and hopefully with measure C passing and we have the funds, then we can take a look at it.

There's some lovely state and federal representatives that I know all five of us can talk to.

Right. So it sounds like, yeah, it sounds like option one does cover what you're describing. And it's just we want to have the opportunity to come back before the PLA is finalized and before the agreed upon project is finalized to look at the costs, look at what the tradeoffs are, find out if the 2% and 3% is an accurate estimate. And to that question, I actually do have a quick follow-up since we're on that, because I did want to make sure I understood that before we wrap up. So the one thing that sounds like is going to cause increased costs potentially with the PLA is not the prevailing wag

The city manager mentioned benefits. So prevailing wage is one thing. Unions typically have a little bit more...

Oh, and the project pays for the benefits too? Oh, I see. Okay. I missed that part. Okay. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you. That's the main thing.

Got it, OK. So if we were to have workers build the projects that were non-union, we wouldn't have to pay their benefits. They wouldn't have benefits. OK, well, just making sure that's clear.

And we want to clarify, with the local hire, what was said earlier about the non-union folks not being able to bid, what actually happens in practice The non-union folks have an opportunity to work for the union. They get waivers. They work on their journeyman days. They work towards getting a union card. So if there is a reduction in labor, there's no problem for the union to go out, put non-union guys through training, through the apprenticeship program. It's kind of all built in. That's why we do the local hire. We do the apprenticeship program. So it actually, over time, it starts to... Yo

All right. I just want to understand that.

Okay. I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. Is it possible to ask a question from the trace? Because they're shaking their head no.

I would love to hear in the public what is the disagreement, because I want to have all the information. When you all shake your head no, I get nervous.

I get directions from you. Yes, from Madam Mayor, I'm sorry. That's okay. Question. So you said it's a public contract, but we will have a contract with Clark, correct? And Clark will have the PLA with you. Mm-hmm. Is that still considered to be a public contract or is it going to be a private?

Is that, so the attorney, is that accurate information?

Even though he's going to be – the PLA will be directly with Clark, not directly with the city, even though the city is paying for it.

Okay. Okay, great. Thank you for coming up and answering our questions.

I didn't know that about the non-union subcontractors could still bid on a public contract. That's new to me.

Thank you, Madam Mayor, for allowing me to ask the question.

Thank you. So it sounds like we're all in agreement that we are interested in the PLA. The PLA process is one that they're very familiar with, and we learned a lot tonight. But we are still wanting to make sure to check in in January for the actual costs that are being proposed to make sure that they are – whatever they are, and if there is an additional cost that may impact in a way, we have to make a decision then on how we want to manage that. It may be less than we anticipated. It may be more manageable. We don't know until that day comes. And so it sounds like we are in agreement at least

Madam Mayor, could we have Ms. Kumihara read option one again and then get a last input from the Clark representatives to make sure they're comfortable with this language? Sure.

The only options we would see in January are design build or amenities or changes to the cost, what we're looking for.

OK. And whether it is actually a 2% to 3% premium, we don't know until we get the actual numbers.

And then we'll find out the final GMP at a following meeting. And at that point, because it says in the proposed contract language that phase two will only be initiated upon approval of the final GMP. So that's another part of the process, too. So there's a negotiation with the PLA, and then there's the proposed GMP. And so there's... phases where we can adjust or make decisions about how to move forward with construction, right? Okay, all right.

And to follow up with that, in this as well, it says that the final GMP will not result in a total contract price exceeding $155 million. So if that's in this tonight, we approve this tonight, and it comes later mentioned that it's going to go exceeding that, can we amend that little number? Okay. All right. If we have to. All right.

Before we move on, can we get confirmation from the Clark representatives that we're OK with this language?

It's a thumbs up for those who are watching the video and can't see the audience.

Madam Mayor, I would like to make the motion. But first, I had one question unrelated to the PLA discussion, just because Eric, it's a sticking point for me, and I wanted to make sure to ask it. Taking us a step back, I know we mentioned very briefly that this was originally a P3 project. Can you tell us what changed and whether it was our decision to move away from a fabulous P3 project or if it was something outside of our control?

Thank you so much. That's why I asked, because I know, Mr. City Manager, that those housing units are still there, and that if the community hears otherwise, that is not true. The housing units that are a component of our Civic Center are still a part of our greater specific plan, and the library was not commenced as a P3 project that included housing, not because council decided not to do it, not because the city had little foresight or thought, but because we could not find a developer that would join us in this and have it pencil out. So I just want the public to know that. because we do do

Well done all. Well done. Thank you all. Thank you. All right. Yay. Well done. I'm not too far behind time. We're almost there. All right. This last one should be quick. Thank you all for being here. Okay, our last item tonight hopefully will be quick. Yeah, it just should be quick. The final report to council tonight is the adoption of a resolution approving the establishment salary for the classification of accounting technician and adoption of a resolution approving the citywide salary schedule. I welcome Management Services Director Betsy McClinton to please present the report. Good to see you.

Thank you for the report. We do have one public comment, so we'll do that, and then we'll come back with questions and comments from Council. Our one and only comment, we don't have any comments online, do we, Madam City Clerk? Okay. Okay. Our one and only comment tonight on this item is Cameron Tennyson. You have three minutes.

Mr. City Manager, did you take notes of them? I didn't see you writing anything.

And it's based on city size and the kind of government we have, right? Yeah.

And then the majority of it is insurance, paying for insurance. Yes, Councilmember Anthony.

This is the first time we're doing a salary schedule as a report. Normally it's on consent. I wanted to ask, just so we don't have to do it over and over again, when we do changes to the salary, there's a couple of different reasons why. Sometimes it's the job changes, sometimes we're adding new jobs, sometimes the like the job disappears and we have them doing something else. When we go through that, which departments look at that? It's management services, financial services, the city attorney's office. Who all makes city manager, obviously? City manager looks at everything. Can you just giv

And the Civil Service Board is a Brown Act appointed body by this body? Okay, great. And just real quick clarification. We didn't at that time have an entry-level accounting technician. What did we have? We had like high-level accountants doing all of the entry-level work like, oh, I see.

Thank you. And the reason I wanted to ask these questions, we don't normally get this as a report, but there was a change in, I believe, state law that now requires this. CalPERS. CalPERS. Being more rigid. Yes. Right. So we'll see more of these, but I wanted to do a deep dive on this one at least so we know what's happening.

Thank you. Madam Mayor, I just want to thank Ms. Becker for putting this forward. As a young person who constantly sees must have 10 years of experience and tries to do that math with how many years I've been alive, I appreciate you doing that because it really opens the door for folks who have just graduated college or who have the technical skill but may need a place to get experience and who are going to be great hires and be able to move up in our city. Oh, we appreciate you considering this position. Thank you.

But you get paid as a council technician as opposed to a full council member.

All right. Anything else before we make a motion? All right. Let's do it. Who wants to make a motion? Who hasn't made a motion yet tonight? Council Member Azadi hasn't made a motion yet tonight. You want to turn? No? I put you on the spot. He has it okay.

Adopt a resolution. Excuse me. Madam Mayor, thank you. Adopt a resolution of the City Council of the City of Burbank approving the establishment of a salary for the classification of accounting technician. Attachment one, adopt a resolution of the City Council of the City of Burbank approving the citywide schedule. Attachment two.

And you make a motion? You make the motion? You didn't say the words. I'm just making sure, confirming for the record. All right. There we go. Well done, all. You forced him into it. I know. I forced him into it last minute. I know. Let's take the roll call, please.

Sorry to put you on the spot there, Council Member Rosati. No problem. All right, now we will hear council member comments, including reporting on council committee assignments, attendance at conferences, and regional meetings and community events. Who would like to go first, Council Member Pritz?

On Thursday, October 1st, I joined many of my colleagues to see the preview of the completed Burbank Replacement Passenger Terminal. It was really great. We got to see what it will look like in the future, because I know they're still putting in the finishing touches on some of our restaurants and other things, but I saw exactly where I'm going to be aligned for my coffee and where I'm going to be aligned for my bean and cheese burrito at Paquito Mas. So... It was great. And then on Saturday, October 3rd, I attended the Burbank YMCA mural unveiling block party, and it was a great experience. I

Thank you, Madam Mayor. So on the October 1st, I did the preview of the completed replacement terminal. That night I attended the Providencia St. Joseph's Breast Cancer Awareness Lighting Ceremony, which was, I think... Deputy mayor was there beautiful the way they lit the building up on September 3rd I went to the book festival and then later that day I went to the crash festival at BWP for the Rose Parade float that was a lot of fun they had a a couple food trucks out there and then Later, I went to the GAIN Federal Credit Union flea market and pumpkin patch, which we got a pumpkin, and my s

Councilmember Anthony. I can go. I was at the preview of the terminal. It looked great without all the people there. It's probably super packed now. I was bedazzled. I attended on the fourth Costa Rica Day in the USA, put on by the Art and Culture for Human Development organization that was right on the street here in Glen Oaks. Very fun. They had the dancers and the music, and it was incredible. And everybody was dressed in full regalia. I also attended on Thursday, last Thursday, the Fiscal and Treasurer's Review Group. That presentation will be coming to us in two weeks. Okay.

Vice Mayor? Deputy Mayor? I guess it's the Deputy Mayor's update. Okay, so like everyone else, I went to the airport preview on October 1st. I want to congratulate the authority, the staff, and our own commissioners on doing a marvelous job. It's really a sight to see. So I wanted to fly in today from somewhere, but I couldn't do it. It was way out of my budget. I'm going to do it soon so I can get that experience. We're back again on the 5th. The same night I did go to Providence and Joseph Medical Center, the Breast Cancer Awareness Month. It was very nice to meet with the staff. As usual, T

All right. On the 30th, I went to the Burbank Arts and Education Foundation Celebration of Schools. And then on the 3rd, I had four things I did back to back to back. Started the day with a BTAC donation drive that I hosted with Nick Schultz. I had to remember Nick Schultz in the morning. Then headed over to the BWP campus for their craft fair supporting the Rose Parade float event. Then headed over to the Burbank Book Festival and saw a little bit of the romance panel and met with the friends of the library and saw the new bookmobile wrap. If you haven't seen the bookmobile wrap, it's so cool

Either it's a request for a report, but I was driving with the deputy mayor from the airport down Hollywood Way, and I nearly clipped an Amazon four-wheeled cargo bike. And as cool as they are, they... They don't fit the bike lane. And I just don't know how street legal they are. But I got two calls from people saying, have you seen these things? They're clogging up the traffic on your way to the new airport. And there's just mounds of cars behind them. So I don't know how they fit into traffic. The system?

When I was driving, he came right out of the bike lane, and I swerved, and it was very close. So it was very concerning. Again, I got a couple reports about it. Thank you.

All right. Vice Mayor, you're in the microphone up to you.

Yeah. So I'm going to request some information to come back if a report will be a quick report and update on Glendale and I believe Pasadena was mentioned regarding the emails attached to the agenda items.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be very lengthy just to get an understanding because it used to be done before.

Okay. Thank you. And then I have a couple of requests for memos based on tonight's comments. One is just a memo on the selection process for the book festival that we can, he presented to us, Eric did earlier, but to get it in more detail of just like how do they select the different books so we can all be informed. In the WAMR. And then also, if we could get a quick memo on the quote that's in the jail in the police department and what that is and what the history of that is and how that was put there and just to give us some information moving forward. I don't know either yet. Okay. Good to