Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

would like to introduce Jennifer Wararez. She is a new member of our committee and uh just want to welcome her and um glad to have you. Thank you so much. With that um I guess we'll move into public comment. Ray, do we have any Yes. Aaron Venoy.

Okay. Feel the love already. Uh, good morning. Aaron Venoy, uh, director of planning development services. Just wanted to give y'all some general comments. Today we have a lot of plats on on our agenda. Plats are a unique thing um where by state law if they meet our ordinances whether that's by variance or by meeting the rule as applied then we have to approve them by right. Um we can't deny them. Um you will see probably from the reports uh we have actually changed some of our slides as we go through and our staff will be pointing some of those things out. We've changed our slides as we've worked with our engineering services, operations, uh, street and bridge, storm water to come more into an alignment of trying to work with our applicants as well as trying to, uh, protect the community around these applications where they are. And so you'll see you'll see some stuff maybe in your background information that we may have moved our decision a little bit just a a tad but I just wanted to give you all that information up front that we it is a working thing that we continue to strive to work for our community as well as the applicants. Uh nobody within our organization wants to prohibit development or slow development down. We want to continue it and keep it moving. And sometimes that's where conflict uh can can arise. And we're we're trying to make sure that we're trying to be consistent and predictable so that developers, those that want to do things, know where the city might land on a on a subject. So, just wanted to give you all that uh information ahead of time. And uh thank you all for being here this morning.

Thank you, Erin. Ray, do we have any other public comment? Okay, I'll go ahead and uh close public comment and move on to the consent agenda. The commission may request for a consent agenda item to be moved to the regular agenda for presentation and public comment. Otherwise, the consent agenda will be considered in one vote. All items on the consent agenda have been recommended for approval by staff with no opposition received to date. Since some items on the consent agenda may require a public hearing, the commission will accept uh public comment on any items on the consent agenda in one public hearing. It looks like the only thing on the consent agenda this month is our minute meetings, our our meeting minutes. Sorry.

I move to approve. All right. Got a motion to approve by Candy. Second. And a second by Britney. All in favor say I. I. I. All right. So, with that, we'll move into the regular agenda. First case is a rideway and alleyway abandonment. Uh, city council has final authority for approval on abandonments. Uh, first ride ofway is RO2506, 1900 block of Cobberland Street. A request to abandon an unimproved portion of the street rideway measuring 60 ft by 100 ft south of the intersection of Monagu

Avenue and Cobberland Street. Thank you. Austin Reed, senior planner. This one comes to you out of the Fort Concho East neighborhood. It is district number four, Patrick Healey's district. The zoning here is RS1 division plan is neighborhood. And as you said, we have a request for approval of the abandonment of a portion of street rideway. Mela out 21 notices on this. Received seven in favor from the applicant surrounding properties and none who were opposed. Um if you look at this map, you might think the abandonment is actually a lot. Um, it's actually just a stubbed out portion of what would be Monagu Avenue. Onto our analysis, the area measures 60 ft by 100 ft. And like I said, it's a stubbed out portion of what we what would be Monagu. Um, it's important to note that no portion of this abandonment has ever been improved or used for access for any other lots. Um, there is one city sewer main within the area which will require an easement when they go to Plat and incorporate that abandonment. Um but overall we don't think that it would affect traffic patterns, the environment or surrounding owners. So with that we are recommending approval of the abandonment subject to three conditions pretty standard three conditions. Um first one will be that payment shall be remitted for all the abandoned rideway. Two is to record a replat within two years. Um as part of this replat they do need to dedicate that sewer easement that I was talking about. And then number three being just for the quick claim deed. Do you guys have any questions? Anybody have any questions for Austin? All right. Thank you, Austin.

We have public comment on that. Russell Belly. All right. Morning, Russell. Good morning, Russell with SKG. I would ask for your approval of this abandonment as requested and happy to answer any questions and we're just kind of cleaning up an area that's really undeveloped uh so that the applicant can kind of get a replat and and construct a home in that area. All right. Thank you. Anybody have any questions for Russell? Thank you, sir. Thank you. We have any other public comment? Joe, did you still want to talk? Okay. Nope. Okay. So, I'll close public comment and open it up for discussion or a motion from the group. Make a motion to approve as presented. I'll second.

A motion by Britney and a second by Lyndon. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? All right. So, next item is conditional uses. The planning commission has final authority for approval of conditional uses. Appeals may be directed to city council. First case is CU 2516 2452 Douglas Drive. A request for approval of a conditional use to utilize an existing single family residence as a gathering place and provide faith-based engagement opportunities for young people located at 2452 Douglas Drive. Good morning, Ray Limeberry, lead planner. Good morning.

And this is a conditional use. Um they are requesting to have a faith-based gather place um for their ASU um branch from the Catholic Dasis. It is zoned single family residential. It is district 5 Karen Hessie Smith in the ASU College Hills neighborhood. We did send out 13 notices. We received one in favor and two opposed. Um the one opposed you have in your packet is this one down here. Um she mentioned the traffic and then the other opposed we received um after your packet was published and um he is here to speak also. Um I just wanted to show some pictures. So, the bottom one, Douglas Street, does or Douglas Drive, um does have a light, which should help with some of the traffic. Um I did the top left corner because the house I'm going to go back for a second. Oh, I can do that one. Um the green star, the house behind them is they already use this house. Um it has a current conditional use for the same thing. um they are trying to expand to this other house that they own. So I included that picture to show you um they do have parking and so one of the conditions um we have is that they come forward with a development plan or parking lot permit so they can show us some of their parking. So, with that, staff is recommending approval. Um, again, that they provide us with a development plan or parking lot permit. Um, and that they obtain all required permits. Um, I believe they need a change of occupancy. Is there any questions?

You have any questions for Ray? All right. Thank you, Ray. Go ahead and open up public comment. Richard Brown. your hand up to everybody.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

So, I'm I'm fully aware of the three minute the three minute limit. So, I'll try to comply. My name is Richard Brown. I leave it. Go. Go ahead. I was just going to remind the chairman that as opposed I think and and you are one of the neighbors. I think they would have up to the five minute limit based on your your discretion of course. Okay. If I can have five, I'll make a couple of comments about the parking lot after my prepared notes. Sounds good.

Okay. So, Richard Brown, I live at 2454 Douglas. I'm the next door neighbor. I've got what I've handed out is the planning staff report that was published last week. I just copied it and I have inserted my comments in blue under each one of the six factors that are supposed to be considered when you make a change like this. And I'm just going to read through my comments. Number one, impacts minimized. The adverse effects have been documented. The Newman Center started using the residential property for meeting and gathering in 2022. and I documented the negative effect on property values with the Tom Green County Appraisal District in June 23. Even now, while applying for a zoning change, the property is unknown in areas, overgrown in others, and has a dilapidated fence that has needed repair since 2024. The picture of the backyard that was just shown is not current. Go drive by today. It's all overgrown and the fence is falling down. Safety and security. Students have access to the Newman Center with key code entry. What kind of access will they have to 2452 Douglas and how will that access be supervised? My observations of the meeting and gathering at 2452 over the past year suggest some informal access consistent with zoning ordinance. One conflicts include degradation of property values, potential safety and security issues, and the creation of a new development pattern. A parking lot or new building at 2452 Douglas would constitute a new development pattern as there are no mixeduse facilities on Douglas or south into Bryant Park compatible with surrounding area. No, the institutional and student related buildings mentioned in the staff report are all limited to Dena. Bryant Park is a single family residential neighborhood from Douglas South. The proposed change breaks the decadesl long historical boundary of having multi-use buildings all facing ASU and on Dena Drive. Effect on natural environment. Negative effects are probable. The planning staff report

mentions future parking lots per parking lot permits and development plans. Loss of lawn and trees. Addition of paved parking lot, more traffic, more noise, more exhaust fumes, more nighttime security lights. Five. Community need. No significant need has been demonstrated. May, as in may represent, quoted directly from the planning staff report, is not indicative of an existing need, but of possibility or opportunity. No existing or significant need has been demonstrated that would justify exceptions to the single family dwelling requirements. If there were a need, ASU has worldclass resources. student center, library, cafeteria, dorms, classrooms, parking lots, center for human performance, academic buildings, and so forth. Stevens Chapel is open 365 days a year, and their website says the chapel is open for events. Six is development patterns. No, there is no mix of institutional, residential, and student related activities on Douglas Drive and into Bryant Park. The character of Bryant Park is single family residential homes. The only area that includes a mix of institutional, residential, and student related activities is Dena Drive. Please keep them on Dena Drive. Allowing the first mixeduse building south of Dena completely changes decades of history on Douglas and in Brian Park. So, it should be considered a new pattern of development and the zoning change rejected. So, a couple of quick comments on the parking lot because as I as I researched this over the past few days and and documented the deterioration of the backyard, it's obvious that they want that backyard for the parking lot. So, I think that's what this is really all about. if their parking lot and they have a parking lot in front of the Newman Center and a parking lot behind the Newman Center. If that's occasionally full for two hours on one day of a week, I don't think that justifies making an exception to the single family residence zoning law because there's plenty of parking lots to the north. The biology building, the

science building has a huge parking lot. It's always empty on the weekends. There's a public school, an elementary school across Johnson. It's it's empty on the weekends. they can park over there. The school kids walk across the rock across Johnson in the crosswalk all the time. So that their parking lot may fill up occasionally, but I don't think that warrants what's been asked for here. Thank you. Any any questions for me? I'm happy to answer questions. Anybody have any questions for Mr. Brown

today? Uh, do you have any, um, because of the Newman Center that's across the alleyway, uh, and you being so close in your residence, do you have any, uh, parking issues? Do you hear a lot of cars, a lot of kids? Uh, do you have a lot of distractions because of the Newman behind you? Well, there I've I've walked over there and complained to them about their security lights because they they send them out horizontally and and and they they did make, you know, their credit, they made some adjustments, but it's very bright. Um the alley fills up sometimes. It's it's not it's not illegal to or yeah, it's okay to park in the alley as long as somebody there's still a pass through. Um I see the kids in the front yard, I see the kids in the backyard. Um, it's the degrad, you know, it's not that I'm bothered 24/7.

It's that I don't really want to park. It's a new, this, we're talking about a new parking lot that's across from my backyard and that will significantly change what's going on. And I don't see any any need for it. I mean, when I when I drove down this morning, there were four cars in the Newman Center parking lot. And the if you if you drive down Dena and I' I'd ask everybody on the way home today, drive down Dena, it's bad. It's bad. I'd be I'm embarrassed for ASU. And if I were ASU, I'd do some work with the folks on Dena to try and bring things up a little bit. But that's partly because of ASU, but that's where you've got this mixeduse these mixeduse buildings. They're they're not on Douglas.

Yeah. Yeah. And and so I I I just you know once we open once we make the exception what else then we you know then Douglas becomes a new dena over time. Thank you sir. Okay. Thank you. We have any other public comment? No. Nobody else signed up.

Okay. Go ahead and close public comment and open it up for discussion with the group. Well, I'm very familiar with this particular corner um uh over years and years and years and um I understand about Dena. If you've ever driven around Dena, it is um some of the houses are kept really nice and some are have some real issues and u there's always cars. Um to have a second street like that, especially as nice as Douglas is as far as older homes. Um, Bryant Park um is known for those kind of properties. It bothers me a little bit um uh for if this is just about a parking lot. My comment

and so directing towards the staff as far as u the conditional use on this they have to have on-site parking and how many spaces is required or are required. So, we would have to see a floor plan or I'd need a um square footage of the house in order to get that, but it would fall under one space per 500. Sorry, one space per 500 square ft. And the house probably has what? 21. Pretty big. Maybe a little more than that, probably. But the map is five feet. Mhm.

So, and can that be included on street parking like or does that actually have to be on street? 50% 50% can be on street.

I'm just going to look up the square footage real quick while we're Okay. So, so the home not including the garage is 2262 square ft and you said one space per 500

to be four. So, four and a half spaces. And can you go back to the the frontage? How many or where's the driveway? The driveway is on the side. From the side. Okay. Okay. And it's a single car or double car? It's a double car. It's a double a double garage. So, does that count as four spaces then since you can fit four cars on the driveway? It looks like the garage states it's 650 ft. So it would be larger than a single.

If you if you look at the overhead and you see that red outline, the red outline is the property line. So the challenge a is Johnson is an arterial, lots of traffic. The driveway portion is actually in the ride ofway, which most driveways are. And so really the only way to legally count parking there would be inside the garage, which that would probably be two spaces. I think the intent would be to add parking in the alleyway. However, that may not be the the best option. Um because there could be some options in in the front. Again, there could be on street parking. Um there could be a shared parking agreement as Mr. Brown suggested. Um because if they do have that adjacent property on Dena, there probably should be an analysis by the the property owner of all right, how often is it full? How often do you need adjacent parking to improve this or is it really just another meeting space that they're able to walk over to? Um now the the change of occupancy through building permits will trigger a parking analysis and we should look at that and see what how that impacts adjacent properties. Uh particularly as as you say Misspool of you're looking at older homes into the neighborhood and obviously this is right on Johnson is adjacent to ASU and some other um properties there. So it is it it's borderline on that mixeduse. Ray, do you recall what the vision plan the comprehensive plan is for along Johnson Street? Is it

neighborhood

neighborhood? Okay. So it needs to this would be probably the highest intensity that we would ever want to go um through through this process. If it's to be neighborhood, it should be something that mixes with the neighborhood. So if the issue isn't necessarily the usage of the single family home, it's more of the parking. You know, again, I think that if we have a parking analysis, maybe potentially look at a circle drive, which would allow for easier egress, you know, when people are leaving. But, you know, again, with ASU being a fairly tight-knit community, and as Mr. Brown said, you know, a lot of the time that parking lot across the way is not filled. You know, you would assume that a lot of the members attending would be most likely walking from the dorms or from other potential rentals fairly close to the vicinity. So, I mean, I think that I don't think it's unreasonable for us to look at the parking situation as far as a joint parking agreement. What else can we do instead of taking the backyard into a parking lot? Can we do a circle drive? Will the uh permits department allow that and will that give us sufficient parking to meet the um the city's guide on one space per 500 square ft?

And speaking of using the the Newman parking and it be sometimes not full and having that back alleyway as part of their parking. And I I go to College Hills Baptist Church and I'm there a lot up and down Johnson and I don't think in the last 6 months I've seen any car utilizing the driveway of Douglas uh and if they own both buildings uh or both properties, the kids could easily use that uh driveway uh for extra parking even today. I don't see that happening as many times as I'm up and down that street. Um, that's what one of the reasons I'm used to this. Crockett was a school for my uh kids, so I was up and down that street during those years. Um, the thing that bothers me the most is taking the back alleyway and making the backyard a parking. I I personally don't want to see that. Um unless there's some way like um uh we're hearing that um they could do something else like a circle drive to eliminate um starting something that would go down Douglas. And that's what I would not want to see. I would not want to see uh Douglas look like Dena at this point. Dena had no choice. it outlines ASU and I'm glad we have that for the the students. Uh in many cases their rental houses. Um those are some of my comments. I don't see any cars utilizing what could be almost four spaces in that driveway.

This being a conditional use, you do have the ability to place conditions on your motion. And just taking from what you said, it sounds like there would be a you would prefer a condition of no additional parking in the backyard of this property. So that that could be a a condition that you add to this case if that's something y'all consider. So that would just force the applicant to go back to the city and look at a parking another parking correct

situation. All right. All right. Can we uh bring up staff recommendations, please? Okay, I will move forward with a motion um to approve item two, but I would like to put a condition um on the building that we look at alternative parking other than the backyard being turned into a parking lot. So, you're recommending no additional parking be added

in the back. If it turns into a circle drive, I think that's aok. Okay. Especially because I think that's extremely dangerous to be backing out onto but not on the backyard. But not on the backyard. Is that clear enough? Okay. All right. So, we have a motion, a second. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Uh, any further discussion? All in favor say I. I I. Any opposed? Name.

All right. So, we have uh motion passes uh with uh Candy voting in opposition. 51. Thanks, Aaron. I needed help with that. We are I think I need to read then the next case. Correct. Um yes. Yes. Go ahead and read it then.

Okay. Uh so moving on to subdivision plats. The planning commission has final authority for approval. Appeals may be directed to city council. First case is FP25-14. the Elsa section 2 a request for a final plat of 136 lots over 47.288 acres within the Baptist Memorial retirement community as to individually subdivide each home or structure a request for approval of a variance for incremental half of paving width on North Main Street and a request for approval of a variance for rideway uh and paving widths on all internal local streets. The applicant has requested to withdraw this case. So it has been removed.

Okay. Do we need to take any action on that? So that case has been withdrawn by the applicant. We will move on to FP 2516 Southland Hills edition section 25. A request to final plat south and hills edition section 25 being 4.314 acres under a plan development PD 2203 zoning district located approximately east of Stone Canyon Trail and south of Forest Hill Drive. If you can read the next one in also.

Oh, and yeah, we'll read in the next case as well. Uh FP 2517 Southland Hills section 26. A request of final platin hills edition section 26 being 5.2148. 214 acres under a plan development PD 2203 zoning district located south of Forest Hills Drive and east of Walnut Hill Drive.

Good morning, Ray Limebury, lead planner again. So, this is um two different plats that um one is along this side and then the other one is over here. Um they are 4.314 acres and 5.2 214 acres. Um, you've probably seen this before. We have had a final plat for both of these before in the past. They've been approved. However, they were not not recorded. They have moved some of the lots um from section 25. Uh, there was a few there was one more line over here and they have put it on um section 26. So it is under a PD zoning. Um it is district one Tommy Heert the Bonum neighborhood. And so again this is section 25. Um the lots meet the PD requirement. Um and this is section 26. So with that staff is recommending approval on section 25. They need to install the water man and the sewer main. um do a drainage study and then um the street construction for Walnut Drive and Valley Pine. And then staff is recommending approval on section 26 with the same conditions of installing a water mane, a sewer main, a drainage study, and then the required streets that is there any questions? Russell Gully

public comment Russell with SKG as Ray indicated we're just moving some of the lots from section 5 over to section 26. It just kind of helps some timing of some stuff and the phasing of the street construction. So we just kind of ask for your approval of 25 and 26 as presented and happy to answer any questions. Thank you Russell. Thank you. Is there any other public comment? All right. So, I'll go and close public comment and open up for discussion or a motion from the group.

Make a motion to approve. Approve as presented by staff. Got a motion by Britney on We need to do two separate. Yeah. Two separate. Okay. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve section 25 as presented by staff and I'll make a second motion to approve section 26 as presented by staff. I'll second both. Okay. Have a motion and a second by Candy and Britney for section 25 and section 26. Um any further discussion? All in favor say I. I.

I. Any opposed? Both motions pass 6. All right. Moving on to FP218, Ardan Heights section 1. A request to final plat uh to final plat for 12 new residential lots as part of Ardan Heights section 1. These lots span 9.141 acres and will be located along Na'vi Street, a local road coming off of Bosque Drive, a new minor collector, Austin. Oh, sorry. We'll get there. All right. Next case. Um, in addition to uh number four. This is the FP2519 Ardan Height section two. I request a final plat for 13 new residential lots as part of Ardan Heights section 2. These lots span 8.445 acres and will be located along Nes Nes Street. Uh, new local road coming off of Bosque Drive, a new minor collector. Now you can go, Austin.

Thank you, Austin Reed, senior planner. This is a pair of plats for the Ardan Heights subdivision. It's within a newly annexed area of town up there north of Ardan Road and off of 2288. This first one, section one, is a final plat for 12 lots over about 9.1 acres. This is within district number six. It's technically within the Bluffs neighborhood. Uh the zoning here is mostly RS1 and the vision plan holds it as neighborhood. So here's a look at the plat itself. You can see all of these lots are located off of that Navi Dad Street, that new local road, um which has a temporary turner at the end and it connects back to Bosque Drive, that new minor collector which goes back to 2288. Most of these lots are somewhere in the 100 by 200 foot range. Section two um is a final plat for 13 lots over 8.4 acres. Again, the same district neighborhood zoning and vision plan. Um, if you can look at this plot, it's configured mostly the same. Plots are generally the same size and it also connects back to that Bosque drive and it has a temporary turnaround as well. Um, they dedicated the correct amounts of rideway. There's no variances attached to these. So, we are recommending approval subject to seven conditions. First one being for the construction of that local road to 40 ft or 36 ft with a sidewalk. Second one is for the construction of Bosque Drive, that minor collector. Third one for water main and required service connections. Four is for the drainage study. Five is for fire hydrant and fire department access statement on the plat. Six is a temporary turnaround required at 750 ft into Bosque Drive as required by a certain section within our LDSO. And the number seven is just to provision that temporary turnaround. So have to reference a recorded document allowing public access or be dedicated as right of way. Do you guys have any questions?

Any questions? So again, temporary turnaround. We're going with Khichi base. We're not asking for a development agreement or hold back or anything like that. I believe that should suffice. I mean, I don't know if anyone else has anything to say about that, but we're reading the city engineers mind right now. Sorry, Kevin. Pardon?

Morning. Kevin F, city engineer. Morning. Temporary turnarounds are provided for public access. Public access is considered safe if the roads are are built to standard. A Kichi base is not to standard. It may be it may be okay for fire safety, but it's really not good for public access. So, I would recommend that uh the pavement be uh per standard on the temporary turnaround.

Yes, ma'am. What if the developer is planning on within six months building a a road that hits at the 750 ft? I just again we've gone over and over this on multiple other cases. Sellin Hills was the same thing, just adding additional cost on a development that is going to be built out fairly quickly. The ordinance accommodates that in in a section called phased development which allows for the construction of that temporary turnaround which then is modified to be permanent turnaround at the time that the street is continued on through. So it's a mitigation of that cost. Okay.

Is the applicant here? Anybody have any more questions? All right. Thank you. And Russell Belly. I'll go ahead and open up for public comment. By the way,

Russell with SKG. So, you know, the turnaround thing, we we understand the the ordinance talks about the permanent potential for them. So, we're kind of working through the nuances now of how we deal with those. And so, with developers, we we may pave the permanent middle part of it and then do something temporary on the wings with asphalt or financially guarantee it. We'll work through that with engineering. So, we understand the the need and and how they want those done. So, we'll we'll work with engineering. the the the item six was kind of a kind of threw me for a loop on that one. But we'll work through with that with the fire department to figure out I think we may just figure out where a good curb cut lay down section would be to where we could kind of do a modified hammerhead there to kind of meet what a turnaround need would be for that on Bosque. So I think they're all reasonable and some things we can work through on that. So we'd be happy to answer any other questions that you might have.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. I have any more questions for Russell? Another twofer. We're trying to get two and done. And thank you. Sorry, I did have one more slide for section two. Oh, sorry. You want to go to interrupt one more time? Sorry. Uh, what Russell described is ultimate is very acceptable for city engineering.

Okay. Thank you. Section two, it's very similar. Seven conditions again. First one for the construction of that local road. Second one for the construction of that minor collector. Three for the water main required service connections. Four for the drainage study. Five for that same um fire statement. Six is a temporary turnaround on NHS this time. And then number seven is that same provision about the um temporary turnaround system. Thanks. Thank you. We have any other anybody else down for public comment? Rocky, did you want to talk? Nope. Nope. We are good.

Okay. Go and close public comment and open it up for further discussion amongst the group or motion. I'll motion to approve FP218 and then motion to approve FP219. Second. So have a motion from Patrick for FP218 and 2519 to approve as presented and a second by Britney. All in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed?

Both uh subdivision plats pass. 60. Next case is FP 2520 Saddle Creek Park Edition section 3. A request to final plat Saddle Creek Park edition section 3 being 0.84 acres creating seven lots for single family homes located east of the corner of Travis Street and Lake View Heroes Drive.

Good morning Ray Limebury lead planner. Um so this one is out on Lake View Heroes Drive and Travis Street is up this way. Um the final plat is84 acres. It is RS1 zoning and it is in district 2 Joseph and Lake View neighborhood. The city limits is right here on this line. This is the final plat. It is creating seven lots. And I included this one um because one of the conditions is they have to add this um access easement. Uh the Lake View Hero Drive is an arterial and you cannot have a drive access off of it. So they cannot have um driveways off the front. So um this is showing an access easement for all of them to have the driveways in the back. So with that staff is recommending approval. Um they do have three conditions to submit plans for a water man, a sewer main and um again to revise the plat to include that access easement. Um and then the note is that they cannot have the access off the arterial in the front of the houses that is there any questions? Anybody have any questions for Ray?

Um, I've got one question on the rear setback requirement. Mhm. Where does the measurement for that start? The edge of the access easement or is it It would be middle of the access easement back. It's treated similar to an alleyway. Okay. And that's 20 ft. I think it would be from the property line. from the property. Since it's not a dedicated alley, it's a access easement just for those lots. We believe it would be at the property line.

Um, currently it's RS1. Um, if their housing fits that, that's great. If they struggle, we would look at maybe RS3 or an RM1 that might help modify some of the setbacks. Unfortunately, it's too small for a plan development that could modify the setbacks. So, but in in theory, the further forward you move those because you've got a very large ride ofway and then you have 25 ft from the front property line, there's a lot of front yard that's probably not going to be used and you know, homeowners like backyards. So if you're able to move those structures forward through some mechanism that's not with the plat but as another process if that becomes needed by the developers this the city would be open to looking at finding solutions for that.

Okay. Yeah because it looks like lot 13 I mean the buildable area I mean because they've got such a wide setback on the sides and the front that's going to be the double frontage. Yeah. A lot of challenge there. So, we think there's there may be some other mechanisms if they wanted to if they're not able to fit their houses. Looks like their design right now might do that, but we're we're happy to explore that with them and find some viable ways if they need that. Just out of curiosity on the double frontage to Travis, can the lot 13, can the driveway be off Travis instead of off the alley or or easement? Yes. Yeah.

Okay. Anybody have any more questions for staff? All right. Uh, we'll go ahead and open up public comment. Erica Wy.

Good morning.

Good morning, y'all. Erica Wy with Wy Engineering and Surveying. Um, we just ask that you approve as presented. Uh, we we were able to make this kind of work. We're going to use the front area for some a little bit different idea for some detention. Um we're going to use some kind of a rain gardens. Um so that's kind of what we're using the front area for. Um we're we're we're going with a smaller yard scenario. That's kind of what the developer wants to use. Um so this is this is kind of what they're wanting to do. The alley up there, as you see, is actually dedicated to those uh properties to the north, which was unfortunate. Um, but was done. So, that's why we've got the access easement in the rear there.

But I'm here for any questions if you got any. Any questions for Erica? Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Okay. So, I'll go ahead and close public comment and open it up for discussion with the group. Can we put the staff recommendations back up, please?

Okay. I'll make a motion to pro uh approve as presented by staff. Yes. Okay. We have a motion by Britney and a second by Candy. All in favor say I. I.

I. Any opposed 60. All right. Next case is FP22 Nommen edition section two lot one. a request that final plat creating one lot over 11.98 acres in the light manufacturing ML zoning district as well as a variance request for paving and curb and gutter along East 28th Street and a variance request not to construct a new local road.

Thank you. Austin Reed, senior planner request for uh one lot over about 12 acres district number four, Patrick Healey's district Pauland neighborhood. The zoning here is mostly manufacturing. This one is light manufacturing and the vision plan is neighborhood for some reason. Here's a look at the plot itself. As you can see, it's just one big lot. Um 11.98 acres. It's cut out of a much bigger tract which is still an abstract. On the lefth hand side there, you may see a little bit of rideway that's dedicated for a new local road that should come north off of East 28th Street. So, a couple variance uh requests attached to this one. East 28 there is actually a minor arterial. Right now, as you can see from that picture, it's paved at about 18 feet wide, whereas 48 feet would be that required standard. Um therefore, they'd be required to pave their incremental half, which comes out to about an additional 15 ft to bring it to 33 total. Um they have requested a full variance to stay at the existing width of 18 ft. Staff however would recommend a partial variance just to bring it to that minimum 26 ft with curve and gutter. The ride ofway there is 40 feet right now whereas 68 feet would be that standard. So they'd be required to dedicate that additional 14 feet. The second variance is for that new road that I talked about. Right now of course it's currently unbuilt but the standard would require them to bring it to 26 ft. They have again requested a full variance to not build that road. um the rideway on it as well as dedicated at 26 feet, but we would prefer at least 31 feet as to allow a little bit of rideway on their side. Um we would also ask that the rideway is dedicated on the east side of their property rather than the west because we seem to think that the road would work better on that side. With that, we are recommending approval of the final plat subject to eight conditions in one note. partial approval of that variance on East 28th Street and then approval of a variance to not construct that new road um while still requiring a deferral through a

developer's agreement. So, the conditions are as follows. Number one is for the incremental half of that paving on East 28th Street. Number two is for the rideway on East 28th Street. Number three is for the construction of that new local road. Number four is for the rideway on that local road and to relocate it to the eastern property boundary. Five and six are for the water and sewer mains. Number seven is for the drainage study and then number eight is for that fire statement. Do you guys have any questions? Any questions for Austin? All right. Thank you, Austin. We have any public comment?

So, the applicant didn't send a representative. Okay. So, I'll close public comment and open it up for discussion for the planning commission.

I do have a few questions again going back to the whole curb and gutter. Um, one I mean it it's in what ML or MH zoning traditionally in those areas that were far out. Does a culver not is that not sufficient for um drainage as I mean because again I just like what type of curb are we talking about? Are we talking about standing curb? Are we talking about a rollover curb? Like what is the city's requirement of this specific property owner? Because again I understand the width of the roads very narrow especially if there's large transport trucks going down. But I also feel like it could be a safety issue once we get one section of the road a little wider and then have some sort of curb that again lack of street lights or anything else out there um on a safety aspect at night. So do we do we know what we're requiring as far as the type of curbing? Is it a standing curb? Is it a roll curb? The I think the current ordinance would be a a standing curb. I see our city engineers coming to probably give us a little more better description than what I can.

I think in this particular instance, uh a uh what's called a ribbon curb would probably be more appropriate. Okay. It's not that the curb out here as a standup would not be for drainage. Curbs provide some drainage, water conveyance, but primarily curbs keep the structure of the road together. Sure. No curves. Everything ravels. Like you see all the potholes on the edges. Potholes grow towards the middle and go down the street that way. So that's that's why we really like curb and gutter. Okay.

Does help with a bit of drainage. And this particular road, although it's classified as a minor arterial, it's out in the middle of nowhere, it's going it's going nowhere. So you might you might consider that in your deliberations. My other question for staff is with the it was notated, but the vision plan is neighborhood. Is that something that we're going to be looking at as a future like to clean that up and make I mean because obviously it doesn't necessarily make sense that it's future thorough plans considered neighborhood.

We believe through our comprehensive plan update that will be that's a a significant area that we're going to be looking at. Uh and so we do think it will be cleaned up in that area because most of that area is really projected to be more industrial. um particularly with the rail port close uh the interstate on that side and and those types of large tracks that are undeveloped that may be a much more industrial area.

Okay. Did you pull back up the conditions? Anybody have any more questions for staff on this or want to see another slide again? Everybody understand what we're doing? Yeah. Can we go back to Somebody had mentioned that you guys would be potentially okay with half of the portion, right? Could could you just repeat that so if we're trying to read something in we get it correct?

Yeah, it was on the East 28th Street. Um they requested a full variance just to stay at that 18 ft, but we are recommending approval of a partial variance just to bring it to 26 again with that curb and gutter that we just discussed. And that's the minimum road width required by fire or that's our typically typically

our current land development and subdivision ordinance is 26 ft minimum for any road. Uh we do rely on our emergency services at times. You know what is it acceptable in this case it's challenging to predict the rate of growth out here. And so we certainly understand that. We also know that the proposed development will have initially large trucks coming and going while they're in development. Now, after that, that may not be the case. It may be very low traffic volume after that point, but we we are at least trying to recommend our minimum within our land development subdivision ordinance. So, East 28th Street will be the main

um road I guess to get into this property that they're It is the only road coming off of Armstrong in this area. There's no north south roads. Okay. And so, it's very large tracked areas that are just maybe waiting for development as additional utilities come in, although there is a water mane in the area uh along 28th Street. But you can see the large tracks there that um

someday there could be growth, but we also think that's also a more industrial area. As you can see on this map just barely, this is where the East Angelo draw is. And so we all know the impacts of that over the last few months. And so that's one of the reason to move the local road from being right in the bottom of the East Angelo draw over to the other side. So um so just some some technical things in there. Um, we are in favor of deferring the construction of that local road because while we want access, we want the properties to the north to have access at some point, we're not sure that the construction of the road right now makes a lot of sense. Um,

and so again, this this is some of those challenging things that we're trying to predict the future and say, are we being fair to all the properties around as well as the applicant? trying to make sure that we're growing at the appropriate um development requirements. Thanks, Darren. On the on the deferral of the construction of that road, is that recorded with the plat or how do we memorialize that so that Yes, it is recorded with the plat. Okay. And yes, if in the future, I mean, there is some type of recourse that the city would have to make sure that that street gets built to the property owner.

Yes. And we would evaluate with the city engineer as they're working up the deferral. Is it based on time? Is it based on another trigger event of development? What is that time frame? So that we can try to stay consistent. We would attach it to our internal land files as well so that there's, you know, say another property to the to the east decides to break up. Okay. Well, how does that impact this property? That would be my biggest concern I guess is looking north of there and east of there that at some point in the future they're they become landlocked because the developer

that is that is a potential there's this is just an area that doesn't have a lot of roads and they're large tracks and if we don't think about those things then we could get into a landlock situation in the in 20 years and that's the hard part of trying to make decisions today for the future. But that's why we try to project out where is this area going.

So if we did a deferral on developing the new local road, the land owner to the north wants to develop his land. Does that trigger anything with the deferral on this land? Like how like how does that work? Well, that would be kind of ne negotiated through the the the legal document of what responsibilities would be for who's con constructing the road. Uh we have in our land development subdivision ordinance that say if it got the full variance, the person to the north would be required to build the entire road, right? We don't want

in the deferral developer agreement there may be able to put in a 50/50 responsibility to build it to the minimum local road standards so that they have a local road to go back and forth.

We we do believe that based on the proposed development the right side or the east side of the property is where their main driveway is going to be all the way to the back of the property to access it. So establishing the right of way, they'll be probably putting down base and other materials there for that. So there's going to be some materials there to start out with. And then when that local road comes to be realization is an evaluation by our city engineering and and does this meet any of our standards or what of our standards at that time to build it. And the deferral would just be to the time of development right on this property. So anytime at the point before they can start destru construction not destruction

that is certainly the preferable method of that it's triggered to some event in the future. Okay have any more questions? Don't remember if I close public comment or not but I'll go ahead and do that. And uh is there any further discussion with the group? Not I'd entertain a motion. Oh, so the deferral to the development agree. I just want to make sure I've got my wording right. Is that correct? Like if if um we deferred the local road construction, it would be deferred to a development agreement. Is that

correct? Does that need to be included in the motion or is that can that be done administratively? It is within the ordinance already. Okay. have that option to request that as opposed to doing a a financial guarantee. It's kind of one of the options of a financial guarantee is to do a deferral agreement. What does the city prefer? Like because I don't know how long does a financial agreement sit like if they didn't do anything for 15 years, what happens to that those funds? So, normally on the deferral agreement, it's three years unless we specify some time certain or event certain. Um the financial guarantee I'm not.

So if nothing happens in three years, it just goes away and they don't have to do it. No, I'm saying on this one, I think we would specify a different time period or event. Again, we just don't want trigger it, but I don't Correct. You don't have to tell me what that is. Correct. We would we would look at a a a development event that would happen on one of the adjacent properties for them to have to construct the road at that time. it. We may put a time limit because you start getting those things that if you're over a decade long, that's that's difficult to for everyone, right? So, but that is something we would we would discuss with the applicant as we work through the deferral agreement. But so, we don't have to classify.

No, I don't I don't think you have to do it. But going along with what he was saying, we could do like the earlier of five years or a certain event that happens. Um, so either way, it's limited by 5 years or if that event happens earlier, then that's when it would happen. Okay. But again, this the staff would take care of that. We don't need to make that in the motion. Thank you.

Okay. Okay. I'm probably gonna slaughter this, so it's forewarning. Okay. So, I will go forward with a motion. Um, let's see. Have the curbon gutter of the approval of the with with the approval of the partial variance with curbon gutter on 28th Street and the um deferral of the development of the local road to whatever the city decides whether it's a development agreement or a financial guarantee. Second.

Okay. Have a motion by Britney and second by Candy. Uh, any further discussion. So, uh, all in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed?

Passes 60. [Music] Okay. Next case is RP 2520, Lake View Edition, block 13 and 14. a request to replplat blocks 13 to 14 of the Lake View edition, combining 18 lots into two total lots over 3.812 acres within a single family residential RS1 zoning district, as well as a request for a partial variance on paving for Crockett Street, a request for a variance on paving for 48th Street, and a request for paving and no curb and gutter on 47th Street. Austin,

thank you. Austin Reed, senior planner. This is a re a replat to turn 18 lots into two lots. Um it's over 3.8 acres. District number two, Joe's district in the Lake View neighborhood. The zoning for this area is entirely RS1 and the vision plan is neighborhood. Here's that replat. Um this may look familiar. It came to you as an abandonment one or two months ago. This replat seeks to incorporate that abandonment and they're also dedicating that portion of the rideway or the portion of their property that went well into the rideway to the south there. Here's that replat with buildings. You can see the left lot has some existing residential structures on it. The right one is currently vacant, but we presume that they'll build a residence on it. A few variance requests for this one. East 47th Street is a uh it's actually a minor collector. Right now it's paved at anywhere from 29 to 37 feet whereas 36 feet is that standard. Therefore their incremental half plus curbon gutter will be required where necessary. Um they have requested a variance to stay at the existing condition. The rideway there is 60 ft and it does meet our standard. Crockett Street which heads north off of East 47th Street. Um as you can see from the picture it's paved at somewhere around 16 ft right now whereas 26 ft is again that standard. Um, this time they've requested requested a partial variance to stay um or excuse me to bring it to 20 feet with no curb and gutter. Um, but the rideway again there is 60 feet and it meets our standard. And then finally, East 48th Street is a local road. As you can see from that overhead shot, it's currently unbuilt, but 26 ft would be required. They have again requested a full variance to not construct it. The rightway is fine. So with that, we are recommending approval um of the replat subject to seven conditions. Approval of that variance for paving and curbon gutter on East 47th Street, approval of that partial variance for 20 ft of paving

with no curbon gutter on Crockett, and approval of a variance to not construct that new East 48th Street um while again requiring a deferral through a developer agreement. The conditions are as follows. Number one is being for that fire statement. Number two is to install or confirm water service for each lot. Uh number three is for the incremental half of paving on East 47th Street. Uh number four is for the construction of East 48th. Five is for the widening of Crockett. Number six is for a potential water main extension and a loop through 48th Street um which can be taken care of through that developers agreement that I talked about. And number seven is just to verify recordation of that prior abandonment. Do you guys have any questions? Any questions?

Thank you, Austin. Thanks. Have any public comment?

All right. I guess I'm public.

Kevin P, city engineer. This is a a one of those challenges that the ordinance has tried to address where we have, you know, we we think big developments. This is not. We've got two RS1 developments. Extending water main down Crockett and further down to 47th is a half million dollar project. Constructing that road on 48th Street is probably another $300,000. 48 that section of 48th Street would be a very low volume road. Asphalt oxidizes in the sun. If people don't drive on it, it just gets worse and worse. It would just be a maintenance burden to construct it at this time. Uh, I would recommend that condition number six be revised to read that water service should be supplied to both lots. We have existing water off of East 47th Street at 12in Main already. That's what the ordinance requires in chapter 11, which is a provision of water to individual lots as long as the health as well as the health and safety code. We have a bit of a where this comes into play is we have a section of the LDSO which speaks to developing all adjacent infrastructure and that's great if you're Tilson homes maybe but in this case with two RS1 lots I'd recommend that we we not impose that.

Okay. So you you would prefer Kevin the deferment or the financial guarantee of them dealing with the roads far beyond Yes ma'am. our time. And that was of which road 48th and Crockett line 47 to bring the water up there. He wants to strike it. Any public comment? Yes. Um, let's see. We have Rocky. Do you want to talk?

Good morning. Morning. Uh, Rocky Templan, senior member, District 6. The only question I had or comment was whenever y'all abandon something, y'all give it to them. Vice versa. In this case, you're taking something from the buyer. And so when you do that, you're going to cause their carport to encroach in their 25 foot building setback. So it would look like at that time if you're going to do that, then you would grant them a variance for that because you're the one causing the obstruction instead of them. Thank you.

Thanks, Rocky. Can we go back to the um plat view? So, Rocky, you're talking about the building line that'd be on that lot 17,

correct? I believe that's what he's referencing is there's a carport at the very front that's got covered parking. It's an open structure. Um, this is in the open structure overlay area. Uh, we staff will certainly look at that and if they do need a variance, we would move that forward and be supportive of that variance. But I believe we looked at it under the open structure overlay and being an open structure it met the requirements. But I we will double check that to be sure. So he does bring up a good point. Okay. Is there any other public comment?

Yes. Russell Billy. Good morning, Russell with SKG kind of here representing Galed CDC. Um they're adjacent property owner to the north side of 48th Street. Uh they own multiple lots. Uh they're to the north kind of with a a plan, a vision plan working towards developing those lots is is part of their their program. and and so um I as Mr. P indicated you know deferring the payment um till a later date um I think we would be good with that. I think maybe there could be some conversations between this developer and and and Galilee CDC on this and and we could come together and maybe we build the street at the same time as part of Galile's coming in and and putting lots or putting homes in on those lots because at that point in time that now street use increases and and we're we're actually driving on it and it's not just degrading out there under low traffic. So, um I think if there is an opportunity for some sort of deferral with a trigger of the development to the north somehow or another, um I think that could be a benefit and a win for everybody. And so, um, just ask you to take that into consideration and and if there's a way we can work through that and and at some point maybe we we figure out what would be a good street width when both sides develop, maybe we can come in and have a full 26 ft street with curb and gutter each side that that really fits for the area. I know we're looking at the subdivision ordinance and street width. So, we'll just kind of have that conversation through all of this stuff. So, just kind of wanted to put a kind of give you a little notification about what's coming, what what Gallery's planning there to the north, so we can kind of take that into consideration for this one.

Great. Thanks for Thank you.

Erica, did you want to talk?

Um Stephanie, did you want to talk? Nope. Nope. You're lost. Erica, building the engineering and surveying. Um, I'm here representing the builders as well as the, uh, buyers. Um, as you know, or you may not know, this property is set vacant for many, many, many years. It is unique in the fact that it's 18 lots and it's going to be two residences. Um I ask that you um please uh approve as presented. Um definitely of course Russell and I will have conversations and if if you know we need to do as the city had said a deferral we we can work we can work through that um and figure that out. um as uh those get developed. So

So Erica, just to confirm, you want the deferred development of 48 and let's go ahead and and a later date when the backlog develops. Okay. So any questions? Okay, that's all I got. Thank you. Okay, no further comment or no further public comment. So, I'll go ahead and close uh public comment and open it up for further discussion of the group or a motion.

And chairman, I'd like to make a comment is that this is an infill area. Uh we certainly would support any of the applicants coming forward with infill requests. um particularly when it comes to the water main for the northern lots that are not part of this plat but are adjacent to this plat that I would encourage us as the city to look at that strongly to see how can we make that work when the development time is right um because that's there is there does need to be a water loop there does have to to meet certain pressures and then hydrants and things and so that we understand that's an additional cost we have our our engineering team that can help guide us of all right what what is what does it really take to service that area even if you add the 10 homes is that enough water being pulled off that line to keep it fresh and reliable and and things like that and so that's always a consideration in these infill areas and particularly lots this large that are in in infill area but we do have the our city council has been uh very forward thinking in putting infill money aside for areas like this and so I would encourage encourage any of the property owners to look at those options uh to try to secure funding for those improvements that could come forward. Thank you. Sorry, I said approve as presented. Um I would like to have um Kevin P number six what he said.

So basically on that one is the extension. Kevin was just asking for the water to service the two existing lots. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just a striking of number six. And it looks like number two uh satisfies the water service lines to those two created lots that they're creating through this plat. Okay.

Okay. Well, I will move to make a motion to remove item six from the staff's recommendations. I would also like to defer the development of 48th and Crockett to a later development date when um development begins to occur on those northern lots. Um, and then if a variance is needed for the existing carport that the applicant has that the uh city staff looks at and and grants that. Oh, that last part. Sorry. I don't think we can I think that would be a ZBA.

It would be a ZBA thing, but staff is aware of that and we we will move it forward if necessary. So, I'll go ahead and say from my measurements on here, it looks like they're fine under the open structure overlay zone. As long as they have 20 ft of rideway there, they have that 5T that they need for the carport. Okay. So, my original motion minus the carport comment. Okay. I have a motion by Britney and a second by Patrick. Um, any further discussion. So, all in favor say I. I.

I. Any opposed? Passes 60. Okay. Uh, next case is RP 2521 Ellis Edition block 28 lots 1 2 15 and 16. A request to replplat and absorb the abandoned alley and a portion of the street rightway along Vec creating two lots out of the four located at 528 VC.

Good morning, Ray Library, lead planner. This one is going to look familiar to you. You saw the abandonment last month. Um and now they are incorporating that abandonment. Um so it is a replat of.33 acres. It is RS1. The address is 528 VEX street. It's in district 3 Harry Thomas the Paulian neighborhood. So if you remember the abandonment was down here this little portion and then also the alleyway that was going right here. Um, so they are incorporating it and making two lots. And I don't really have anything else to say on that one. So staff is recommending approval um with the verification um of the purchasement of the um abandoned alien street right away. And um go back. I should have zoomed in a little bit more. There is a woodshed right on the property line right here. Um, so, oh, I'm going the wrong way. So, that condition, the second condition is we need a site plan showing that that woodshed was either relocated 5 foot away from the property line or that they have added the fire separation to it. Any

questions for staff? All right. Thank you, Ray. We have public comment. Erica Wy. All right. [Laughter]

Hello again. Let me read the notes. I would just ask that you recommend or approve as recommended or approve as presented. Sorry, I've already left the meeting. Do you all have any questions? Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you, Erica. We have any other public comment? All right. So, I'll close public comment, open it up for discussion or motion. Make a motion to approve as presented. Second. Have a motion and a second. All in favor say I.

I. Any opposed? passes 6. All right. And I think that's it. So, next item on the agenda is the planning director's report. Yes. Thank you, chairman. Um, just a couple of items. We do have a couple of committees that are starting to meet with developers. One that has to do with adding some zoning districts to our RS or our our residential zoning districts. We currently have RS1, RS2, and RS3. RS1 is your single family housing. RS2 is your two family housing, which would still allow a single family or or like a duplex or something like that. RS3 is kind of a little unique where it has the town homes and zero lot lines. And what we're seeing is that we need to have a little bit more flexibility for some of our developers, particularly in infill areas, uh, that may need smaller lots or some different kind of square footage requirement. Um, our our 2000's ordinance that is very kind of cookie cutter, if you will, saying, "All right, everything's got to look very uniform and matched." May not work for our infill development areas. is. And so we're working with developers of what is reasonable uh with always keeping an eye on what is protecting our our traditional and historic neighborhoods and what is blending together. Well, the other area Mr. Gully alluded to was our land development and subdivision ordinance. We've got some areas in there that we want to do some minor cleanups uh particularly of all right is the the smallest road required being 20 foot or is it 26t? How can we get that to be um consistent in areas with uh infill and development? What makes more sense? Because usually infill areas um the the housing costs are so high or the utility costs are so high. There's a reason why those are blank lots. Well, how can we find a way with our land development subdivision ordinance to help with

affordability in some way? There's not a whole lot of ways, but there might be some. Uh so we're looking looking at that. Um, we're also going to be kicking off this fall our comprehensive plan update. Uh, we'll be going through a process to do a request for qualifications to find a a company to help work with us over the next 12 to 18 months to get that uh forward. We will be making lots of different uh presentations, some here at this meeting, um some at just public forums. Uh we do certainly want the public's feedback so we can evaluate areas like off of 28th Street. What what makes sense and where are we going as a community? Uh where the interstates may come in and go through and how they impact our community. Uh how are we growing to the southwest and those future roads that are out there? What what can we do to um project those those things and all of it with the eye of fiscal stewardship? Uh we believe fiscal stewardship is going to be critical over the next decade for our city because we know property taxes are a a challenge as well as limited. And every time we add things that adds maintenance costs and so we have to be very cognizant of our development of where what is appropriate and are we are we getting wins and losses and and are we balancing out. That's really kind of the the goal. We always want different types of development. Some we're going to do really really well on, others we may have some losses, but do they balance out? So, we're very excited about that. Um, we thank you guys for y'all's uh work and dedication to this commission. So, we we thank you guys for working and we know some of the decisions can be very very difficult at times and our role as city staff is to bring you data so that you can help you can make the best data driven decision for the community. So, we're going to keep focusing on our data and bringing you

that stuff and um we will certainly give you our professional opinions and and how we see it meeting ordinances, but we certainly appreciate y'all's opinions and what what really happens in reality because we can have theory all day long, but we also have a community that works in reality and we've got to find ways to work in reality, too. So, with that, I just want to say thank you guys. Y'all have a great day. Thank you. Thank you. Motion to adjourn. Yeah. Um, got a motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? Second.

Oh, sorry. One more thing. Next regular meeting of the planning commission is scheduled to begin Monday, October 20th, 2025 at 9:00 a.m. in the East Medanine of City Hall, 72 West College Avenue right here. So now with that, I'll take the motion to adjurnn and second. And uh, all in favor say I. I. Thank you.