Board of County Commissioners - Regular Meeting

like to call the recess meeting back to order for budget workshop today. Got a question to start with. I don't know which one of you two could answer for me. I listened to the city council meeting last night and one of the citizens brought up how come the rural people are are not going to get a tax break if with the 1% sales tax that the city is thinking about. And the city manager said that the city of Pratt residents pay more property taxes than the rest of the county combined.

No. Is that true? No. Not combined. That's That's what her statement was last night. And I couldn't believe that, but I think I thought I'd ask you. 32,000. Well, I don't that's why I don't want in that area. Yeah. Yeah. That's not right at all. So, the the general answer though is so they're collecting that the plan is to collect that sales tax and potentially reduce the city tax. Yes. So that doesn't affect anything outside of outside the city. City's taxing us. Yeah. Generally speaking, I was just shocked with that statement that the city prep residents paid more than the combined outpas of the county.

Yeah, I don't know the data on that, but I doubt it. So the c the entire county's valuation is 181,438. And so you assume that like since that's the valuation that those taxes countywide people are paying taxes on that value. They made the statement yesterday last night too that the total property taxes that city residents get 10% of it goes to the city is all I'd have to look into that and put it like in a pie chart. That might be true. Yeah, that might be because the city makes money. They have utilities. They have they can raise rates. They can they can raise money. We don't have that

on. I was just shocked that that statement was made. The county's valuation is like 181 million like and a half. Basically the city of Pratt's valuation is 54 million which is much less than Oh yeah. half of Yes. So that just shocked me and I knew what we were doing today so I thought I'd ask. Okay, I wouldn't I wouldn't think it'd be that that much. Yeah, I'll shut up now, Amy.

No, you're good. Hey, you're good. All right, so my budget did not change. The only thing I added was my transfer to special equipment by like when I need computers, printers. Do you want my Sure. Oh, right. I'm working on it.

26.78 billion. Okay. You have $30 more,000. No. No. 10. Just cuz I did the transfer to special equipment, the budget's the same. Yep.

It's not the same. So it looks like the 10,000 is is in addition to your 2026 budget. Yeah. Yeah. It's an addition to the 10,000. Yeah. So you're asking for 10,000, right? So the 10,000 is a transfer. Oh, right. So here was my thought process. So I've been carrying over like 10,000 every year. So I just thought, hey, I'll just put that in transfer to special equipment for 27. Oh, okay. So the these are your actuals. This isn't your budget budget. So on the on the sheet that I provided you guys

is the So the budgeted amount is that top row and then that bottom row is the actual amount spent each year. Yeah. And and the date. Yep. And I have I have as of um 52 and then what? And then the 27s are left blank for them to fill in for the budget. Okay. Okay. So So it is the same but the 2026 budget up top says 220,000. Yeah. Right. She she additional 10,000 for special equipment. Yes. Oh, okay. So, the money's there. She's not asking. No, she's asking she's asking for extra 10. Yeah, she's asking for an additional 10 because she can transfer I guess her.

But my question is in 2025 it was 200,000. 2026 the budget is 220. So, she'll have some left over. Yes, that's right. So you're asking whether the 10,000 is necessary if she's already has leftovers that she transfers every year. Yeah, I get what you're asking. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. So see, so here's what here's what he's asking. If you look at 25 budget, it was 214877. Mhm. And your actual for 25 was 2051360.

Right? So he's saying that you already have the 10,000 in there that you didn't use. You budgeted but you didn't use. So So what happened is it transferred over to the general fund capital or general fund cash. Okay. And wasn't recognized here and what you're doing is you're transferring 10 of that. So you would you would all you would already have 10 sitting there. You wouldn't have to put in an additional line of 10. Okay. He's saying like Septemberual or Yeah, if I'm reading everything right, I'm not saying math. But what'll happen is though, the problem with that, it'll short the general fund.

Well, she'll go over her if she spends all these other lines, which I don't know what you spend in um you spent 5,400 in commodities and 52. So, that's about uh 1,600 and another another 4,000. So, you're about 14. Yeah. And then the rest of it's built into the personal services. You have 198 and you uh actually spent 189. So I don't know how you're doing that. I mean we did I think we got that all all where we cuz Jason asked me this yesterday. Uh he said that his capital outlay got taken out or added to

contractually. He got rid of all capital outlay all capital outlay. So he was asking about that. And then how his is a little different because his is in his own fund there but uh but he was asked about that. So in this case she wouldn't have had any and budget in capital outlay. Correct. It doesn't look like Yeah. Some people in general had capital outlay being used as a buffer. It wasn't actually being used. That's why we got rid of it. Yeah. So what she in a sense what she's saying is even though you've got it built in there, she would just kind of try to budget it. I guess that that excess. So would you Would you back out the other lines to No, no,

no. Because here's my thing. I kept my fourth person in my personnel for years and then every year the commissioners would be like, "Oh, well, we don't need to change your personnel because you don't have enough people to pay that." And I'm like, I keeping it in there in case I ever do. So, no, I don't want to change any of my other stuff because what happens if all my commodities go up or my contractual go up and then I'm over and there's going to postage is going up and Yeah. So, what you could do is that's really just a line item to like just kind of reserve that so you don't it's kind of like a don't touch it like save this back for just in case, right? But what you could do is just not put that line line item in there. And if you do have extra at the end of the year when we're all deciding

if we want to transfer, you could say, "Hey, I have 14 left over." Yeah. Then you can transfer it that way and keep all your line items the same. Okay. Yeah. Because you have it built in. You have 14. The year before you had uh 817 because you had 209 was your budget and 24 and you only spent 192. So I I think you could do that when you come down to your meeting and whenever it's October, November, you could just say I'm going to have probably Yeah. Everybody comes in at the end of the year with their transfers on what they want to transfer and then we look at if the general fund's going to make it if nobody's el. So we usually say okay and then we transfer that over.

Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah. It's usually what November we do that. Yeah. Yeah. start talking about it. I mean, it happens right before the end of, right? Yeah. We kind of wait till the very end just to be sure because it's a pain to transfer back. So, one other thing here we haven't talked about is nothing to do with the expense side. Did you ever have a chance to look at what the interests were from last year to this year? Um, yes, but I can't remember what it is. So, you told me, Amy, because I asked you that day. Uh, what did I tell you? 300,000 starting from July to whenever I ask it. Yeah, I get smart.

You might you because that I mean that to me is huge for the general fund because uh we talked Yeah. last August, you know, they said, "Oh yeah, we'll do it." I think some of them were at 4.25 at that time. Now it's at 3.64, but still that was a lot more than 1.64. That's what you had, right? And I think you told me the other day it was 13 million that you ended up getting at that little bit higher rate.

Right. And then my big $9 million one I had a year on and then um they sold it to a credit union that doesn't do cedars. So I did another year one and I said is it better I asked her I said is it better to go ahead and do a year you know at 3 point I can't even remember what it was. I said do you think rates are going to go up and she's like they're going to go down before they go up. So they did a year on it. So I just started all over again. Yeah. Three something. Yeah. So So I'm guess So I'm guessing you you uh at least 300,000. It'll probably be closer to four or five just just because you had

I think the maximum you had was 19 million to invest and all that was at about 1.64 and I think we got it at that back then 4.25 some of it. And then as it comes due Yeah. But that that's a that's a big thing for your general fund. Yeah. Probably not unfortunately because I thought through our talk it was going to be like a year ago was like 200,000 or somewhere in that area. It was going to go up to five or six. Yeah, it could. Thank you. Right. Rate did go down a little bit. So that'll make a little difference but still Yeah, it's it's money that we weren't getting. Yes, absolutely. Which we appreciate.

And I don't know, Scott, if anybody told you, but our property insurance went up and so did our health. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And we just had a major hail storm come through. Didn't get all our buildings. I imagine that it did total some vehicles under the deductible go up, too. We changed the deductible. We had to put this building on a separate policy. We had to pull it out or something. Yeah. And then we paid a little bit extra to buy it down. Yes. to buy it down the deductible

to try to keep our insurance rates down. I just noticed on my house. I don't know what it did on on like governments and that, but I was just looking because I've been talking about so much with property, but my wind and hail, I think it was only they'll pay 55% of the of the cost. So, you don't get the full our deductible went up to what 200,000 or something just to try to keep our rates down and they still Well, they wouldn't even they don't even offer the lower deductible. Not even an option. You just not even an option. So just to before I'm studying here.

So something you might think about uh since the interest did go up you know and it's going up is there's another fund I've been talking when I do the county clerk all this stuff I've been talking is it's called the risk management fund and I don't believe you have one here. There's some huh there's some counties do. So, what I've been telling were like the other day when I spoke to WSU, uh they um one of Lewisburg, it's a city up by Kansas City, their health insurance went up, I think it was 33%. Yours was 14 14%. Yeah, I think that's what I was talking to somebody. But, u another one there was 20 22%.

We've had those 36 37% ones. But something to think about is when you have this revenue or receipts that you weren't anticipating is maybe just sticking some of that back as a transfer into set up the risk management fund and transfer in there. So this interest we could go in and kind of figure out where your cash is going to end up here in the 27 budget and say okay we've got an additional 200,000. May we just that's one like one mil say roughly transfer that over into the risk management fund and that would for these future and to me that I when I was telling the commissioners that the other day uh at the KC you know there there's something about being transparent you know with people and showing that you're really trying to look down the future instead of them saying you're just spending the money up there in Topeka. Um, I mean that to me that, you know, set back your money here or there, it shows people that you're trying to trying to uh,

it's not a bad idea just to create a buffer. Yeah. So you don't get so hit so hard when Yeah. get that news. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's like would be its own fund like Yeah. It's it's a statute just like capital improvement. Okay.

And equipment reserve. But I started doing it clear back when the landfill went under is a private landfill over in Marian County and they all the commission they uh locked their line of credits at the bank uh because it made him personally responsible for the landfill because it was a private hauler and he died on the land working in the landfill and so one of the big farmers couldn't get it couldn't get their line of credit for their cattle. So, so what what it did is set up the risk management fund to transfer some money there to show that we had some I mean it wasn't wasn't near what they wanted but it's just something to something to think about. Right.

Uh, so you want to make this, take the 10 out, make it to 22,843, and then it when she gets into November, she can talk to you and say, "I've got this much this much uh left over my budget, and I want to transfer it to uh special." And on Amy, on your special equipment, you have a current list. We just started it this, you general had a special equipment. So, I'm talking about in our book. Is she in our book? That's what she's talking about. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they she she's never had she never had special equipment before. So, she didn't have a plan and now she's wanting to create though. In November for all the all of them that are like that, we need to have our special equipment updated. Yep. Yep.

Yeah. So, do you have a plan on what you you're planning on using the money? We just get it in our book. We have an estimate that way the public. So like if you if you so example would be like if you put 14 let's say you put 14 in there what what are you projecting to use that 14 for you know no you don't have to answer now I'm just saying that

I'm just saying saying you can you can say this this is what computers will be in the next two years this is because what happened at Brown County is uh they're on a the commissioners are it's a unique situation but uh the treasure had 110,000 in their special equipment fund and they had the entire their entire office updated. They and I they just a lot sitting there. So they basically took in that case took the money away because they had or a lot of it because they had no everything was caught up and they had no plan. So that's why when we carry these forward with each of the offices it's very important to have a plan what how you're going to use that money. Okay?

You know like 14 would be maybe new computers or whatever printers or what whatever show it to our state representative. Thanks for sitting on a bunch of money. Yeah. No, we're not. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Perfect. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And I I would suggest like we talked I think it was when I was out here at the department heading. Um if you could you guys could work on an exo. You know what? We have that. I just haven't done anything. I did make her really pretty. She matches this

and and I think that's good. every every month or every quarter, you just update the commission and go this is what it was the last you could put like the last three years in because it's going to it's going to be a bunch different over the last three compared to what it is now. Yeah. That that's that's good to show that. Perfect. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Ready, Brian? Oh, ready as I'll ever be. Sounds like the the uh ambulance guy. Oh yeah. I made it easy. See you later. I just want it off.

No, I just left it the same. I did add the 3% cost of living just to show if that's going to be done. I need a copy then because I didn't keep one. Yeah, no problem. Copy. Go for it. Like I said, that's all I did. I know we put back some last year, but we just try to pinch pennies, but fuel is going crazy, so that's going to eat up. But I've got it. I mean, you know, I've kept a buffer in there, and then whatever's left at the end, I just gifted the general fund. You're welcome. Yeah. Well, I mean, I could go the other way and spend it all and go overboard, but No. No. Okay. Toner's out. Give me a sec.

We were talking about an assistant, right, for you to ease your workload. Yeah. And last year the remaining in our in my budget was 111,457.39. And you're thinking 65 for wages. Yeah. plus benefits and all that. Benefits is probably 30. Yeah. Probably 95,000. Yeah. Which would be putting me awfully close, especially this year with fuel. And

you know, I'm always to me I'm always living on borrowed time on some of our power CS. And I mean, they're they're getting up there and eventually they're they're going to have to be replaced slowly, but This isn't going because what you're covering isn't over time. You're just selling, right? Right. Which so there's no savings and the there

it's I mean with Bailey being out for maternity leave, she's on, you know, she's not making her full wages. So that's been and it was same last year with like Dave when he was gone. It that added to having some left over. Mhm. But I can't you know I can't promise that every year. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Hoping somebody's not out for months and months every year. I'm just assuming I know you're working yourself to the bone here trying to cover shifts and plus feed your daily job and so I'm just 95. I'm just going to call a full 100,000. I don't swing it. Yeah,

we'll let his magic there get you some relief because I hear you on the radio. I know he worked all day. Yeah. Yeah, understand. Um, you writing all that down, Scott. Yeah. Putting him to work. Yeah. Like I said, I I I don't know how this is going to pan out. I don't know what state assess is going to do. Sure. Surely we're not going to lose another 13. bad thing is I'll just reject the email and it sort of buys it to me. I'll be like, "No, no, thank you."

Well, the bad thing is, you know, they only take that price once a year and it was a failure with the war started. True. So, that gas storage out there is going to be really cheap. Yeah. I thought at one time when the latest lady session first started, I don't know if it was Kyle Hoffman or Kevin and Sweep and was saying they had a conversation with somebody from Northern. Maybe it was their Well, they did come back and redo their shoe.

Yeah. But saying me county was going to take it blunt this year this year and they were gonna move stuff back to Pratt County. Whether that happens or not, who knows? But you got to take in depreciation off that. Oh yeah. Yeah. So hopefully they don't hit it. Had you not I can't remember. Had you not had the 25 in prior years? 45. That was the first year. Okay. Yeah. I couldn't remember. I can't remember which ones are added, but Yeah. Yeah. He's got an ambulance fund that I think one's going to come do. But you got a what are they? Three years out. Huh? Yeah. Three or four. Three for a remount.

Yeah. Which we're doing good. I mean, luckily, if I get on their calendar and we're not ready, they just kept pushing me back. So, I'd still have a spot. Um, which we're doing good so far. I mean, medic four is our oldest, but it's it's doing Yeah, it's doing better, which I'm good in my special equipment to if I needed to today. I could, you know, for some reason needed to replace one in an emergency, I could.

But you don't have enough in there for an ambulance and CS and probably not. Those things are crazy expensive. So like in his line does insurance change it says the same but did it change or is what you were talking about just property our insurance did go up but I haven't got the breakdown from willing to where we pay at so I I can't really I don't know the breakdown of where it where it went. So and is that black? I haven't looked at it yet, but I would I would assume price-wise. I mean, now still functional. I don't know how many miles or anything on it.

I mean, we're going to have claims out there, so that's going to drive us up next year, I'm sure. Yeah. And we've got uh we had two roofers come out and look. Uh with the insurance though, it's like if there's not any major holes, they're not going to. But it would be We did have them price coating it because it's it's leaked since day one. anything that protrudes through HVAC wise and vents. And so we've got them both. One was going to look and see if they could kind of patchwork it and instead of a full reco from end to end and then they're going to price both. I don't know what that's going to be, but that's going to it's going to have to be done. I mean, there's we're just gonna if we keep leaking, we're just going to keep Yeah.

keep causing problems that we don't see for a while and then major and we got big problems. And we got big problems. But we're waiting to see the price on that from a couple different roofers. So it may not be bad. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, see, I made it easy. Just give me all the money. All right. That makes it easy for me. Tell the rest of them. Brian's got it all. Pull up. I can be the most hated man. That's okay. I'm sick. Are we trying to

I just wrote down u add potentially assistant director 65k 30k and he said 100k rounded off. Yeah, that's 95. So and uh I just wrote down last year he had 111 on that budget. left over 111,000 and then I wrote I don't know what to look at the new at the new building. Yeah. EMS and then I circled up here insurance might be an increase. I'm not sure what we know it is.

And their thing is I'm not sure how they presented them here. He's already built in a 3% cola. Uh I'm not sure we're consistent with every one of those. I think I think did everybody build in? I I think there was not a consistent game plan on that. I think people are normally not to put it in. Yeah, usually they'll put it in. Yeah. And then they put it in anyway. Okay. So, okay. So, I'll make note of that. Make sure you say do not add anything.

It's kind of nice to because you have like in this case here, you have insurance increase. You might add a person D all this. It's kind of nice to have all the departments at zero, you know, no increase. and then you know where everything else is and then you come in and say okay we can probably do a 2% or 3% you know whatever that is it makes it easier to to calculate so I don't know it's not the difference would that be the difference the 3% from 102A that's the difference 30 that's the that's the 3% so it should just be the same if we're

same dollar same personnel as last services last year and that's what we'll probably do on all of them and just put in the same personnel as last here and then we'll yeah see where we're at when we get get to the end. Is that okay? We'll just circle that for now. Yep. Yeah. Okay. And those should be listed on the 2025 column. So it should be easy just to go back and see. Absolutely. Or the 26 column. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Got what year I was on for a minute. Yeah. I think I think one thing and that I think they were a little Jason was talking to me. He was, and this may be a question for all department heads, but he was talking to me about the 27 summary. He was actually filling it out down here.

Oh, it should pull it over. Yeah, he was down here. He was filling it out down here because it said the 27 summary. I said, "No, you fill it out up here by the line item and it automatically fills it in down here." Yeah. So, I didn't have it pull from this just to make it easy. Absolutely. I figured for you guys when you're entering, it's really easy just to look at the bottom left. That's all we Yeah, we have this in Honorable County. This is really nice. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Well, we can see what see what happens. There you go. All right. Get some sleep. Sound like What's that? What's that? I'll just take coffee. Donuts over there, too. Brian.

Oh, god. No. I don't need that. Don, you want to come on? I didn't make a copy.

Oh, you got an extraction. Okay. pretty much same as last year. Nothing's really gone up besides the fuel prices and everything else, but I think I've got enough where I'm at to deal with that. Um, I did include another full-time employee again. Do need that. There's not going to happen, but you'll probably got it in. Yeah,

but I'm these different that's one one's part-time, one's fulltime. If you look at the very bottom, you're giving us two part time. Okay. Okay. So, this one is current. That's your part time. Yeah. Yeah. Current. And this is what the full time, right? should be down at the very bottom. I have it specified. Oh yeah, you do. Guess it should read the whole thing.

See, remind me you do have the part-time now. I don't have anybody right now. Anybody right now? So, it's either part Okay. parttime or we thought we had one and then didn't work out because your budget in 2026 was actually 265136. You take the insurance the transfer of the special equipment you 24242 so $28 off the Okay. And he was one of those that never had transfer. Is that right? No, I think he did have special equipment. I think you have no weed.

It was never budgeted. We didn't have we every It's the line item to like transfer to special equipment has never been built into the budget. It just wasn't always an afterthought and now it's been able to be budgeted. I this information is just what was on the actual our final budget. That's why I pulled those numbers. So, I want to make sure that I'm clear on how I mean, so going forward, if we're going to do it like it matches the sheets that you provided, shouldn't they have it the same too? Like that way we're not doing math on every one of these.

Yeah. So, um, this Warren contacted me last like Tuesday about this. So, that's I didn't do this until this weekend. So, the department head didn't It shows like when we print their budgets off, it shows like the line items, you know, on on everything. But my hope is that next year we can get these out to the department head. I want to make sure that what Scott produces though has the right numbers in it for you guys. And so what I'm saying is if so, if we're if you're going to do part-time, for example, Scott needs to use the 265 number, not John's 242 number. Yeah. Are we on the same page, Scott?

Yeah, because actually if if you don't have extra employees in the 26 budget, like we talked just with Brian, the 106090 on this sheet that that Chesha uh put forth is what the budget was last year. This 117 I assume is that on the first one there part-time. Is that the is the difference between the 106 and the 117? That doesn't seem like be part-timely enough. See what I'm saying? I'm I don't know what number That's one question I wouldn't know. What number am I supposed to put in because we were leaving it the same as last year on the personnel services until we get to the end. Yes.

So that it's the same question I'm asking, but he's talking about a specific example. These are helpful because we this is John saying this is how I plan to spend the money, but You know, the number on what Sesa provided was 265. And if that's the real breakdown, we want Scott to use the real breakdown. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And like this 230108, how did that How did that come up again? Remind me. How did you come up with the 23108? It just was on the budget. I don't know how I don't So, we just made it that way on the budget.

Yep. I think we just Yep. It just was in the final budget. I think that I mean he usually does transfer to special equipment because he rotates out trucks and equipment. So this is only this a very unique situation. Does he do we have it go really go to special equipment or is it going to noxious week capital outlay because that's a separate fund. So we do not have a capital outlay. We got rid of them. No, this in the line item this he is the only one in the budget that has a sweet capital out. Oh it's like a whole separate fund. Yeah. Is it by statute? Yeah, that's in the weed law. Okay. So, I've not ever touched that one. No, it's okay. Okay.

Uh I have no idea we're involved with this. Does he have a special equipment built into our special equipment fund? Yeah. I haven't seen a separate I don't know if there is one. I was looking at He has his environmental that's completely separate. Yeah. But I don't know that I've ever seen a fund. We may have bounced last year a little bit talking about well I remember the environmental thing we talked about but I don't remember yeah I I can I know it's kind of like I know the noxious weed you have to have that other fund in there for the for the law that they have written out. I can bring you the statute on it. Oh no no I believe you. I just I've not seen it.

I think it's built in your special equipment fund is built into our special equipment fund. So I'm wondering we need to yank that and stick it Yeah, we may have taken that away. Well, you wouldn't use I don't know. I have to look I have to research. Okay. You Well, I've always had a special special equipment. I guess you better out. And we used to get an outlay that we had from what I remember when Robert was running, we had a special outlay that we always asked for every year and it was always 10 grand in it, but we never use it. And he took that and put it into the into the special equipment every year. He would pull that and put it in there and legally we got to have that line.

Correct. Doesn't have to be funded. We just got to have remember exactly how it reads. We know that we have to have that fun. And it's an outlay fund, but you haven't had it because here it says, yeah, in the budget I see where you got the 23 now. It's always been 25. Now it was 23 this last year, but uh transfer special equipment, but I thought there was no sweet capital outlay in this one. Most counties have it. Well, apparently we're a separate fund. So if I need to we need Let me let me do a little looking back on I've been doing this. I don't know if this is fifth year. So, let me look back and see how that Sure. I can finally look back.

Okay. Yep. And then you let me know what I need to do and I'll do it. Got it. Is I'll give it to you. Send you an email on it. Yeah. I'm not sure if you you have to have it, but that's the way the noxious weed is set up is to have a capital. It's only fun like that except for the like on Doug's special machinery fund on the road bridge is that's exactly the same thing but it's called special machinery. This is called Noctus Capital Outlet. Okay. The rest of the departments I don't think have that. Okay. I can't think of just change our special equipment to that.

We could we could actually put the balance we could make a journal entry into noxious week capital outlay. We could just pull it from special equipment and put it into his own fund. That's Yeah. I yeah, we can do that. Yeah, I don't remember talking if needed. We can create a fund and yeah, get in there. You just let me know and we'll take care of it. I'll get with Amy and we'll KSA 21318. KSA 21318. Yeah.

I don't know if the the statuto language says you have to have it, but that's the way most counties have done that. I can't remember exact wordage on it. I've read over it before, but I know it's supposed to be in there or whether it's okay supposed to be in there.

So, back to the question here. So, I would just take basically the budget in the 20 in the 2026 budget. So, if you I I gave you a copy of the 26 budget if you wanted to see um how that laid out. It's on page 14. There's a blue number down the right hand corner. So what he's given here is I see I'm making sure I'm on Yeah. So Sasha put on her sheet the question was what budget do we put in the 27 budget? If you look on page 14 of the budget that I gave you, it shows those numbers. So that everybody's on the same page. Hold on. 265 136. Page 14, a blue blue 14 down the right hand corner there. so that we're all on the same page here. So that 26 column that Sasha has on her budget proposal is right here on the right hand column of the 26 budget, the 265136. It's broke out exactly like this.

It does not include the part-time employee or the full-time employee. That's something that I guess we would talk about. Keep it consistent. Or do you want to put in That's what I need to know. Do you want to put in the part-time employee or the full-time employee or you want to do that later? Spot open for part time. Normally, we have a part-time. We're having it's in the budget issues trying to find. We always budget it for It's always budget there. Okay. It's like a se is it a seasonal like you need it during the summer? Yeah, we normally have them work like eight months out of the year till October or so and then then they're off for like four months and then we bring them back.

Yeah. Um since Mel Mel's been gone, we haven't had a full-time one in there for a couple years now. Or not full-time, but part-time that came back to us. Right. There you go. Yeah. Okay. But we've always budgeted for a part-time to be part of.

So I think I'm hearing that I need to put these. He said it's the same budget. So I put in the same budget as 26. And then if there's additional like if you add it from part-time to full-time or whatever. And then we I wrote down at the bottom um add the noxious weed capital fund with a transfer from special equipment balance. And I'll have to add that. And it it says any money is left over in is Yeah. Okay. So, we just take them down to zero each year and put it over to into that capital alllay fund. Yeah. To the into the noxious weed capital outlay fund, which we don't have set up.

I thought it was in there. I don't see it. Anyway, that that's the way I understood it, but I was told I was wrong on that a few years ago. So, yeah. I cannot say that. So, okay. Okay. We'll start with that and then we'll see see where it goes. I guess what what's the environmental? Then what you anything you need to say on that?

Environmental, I mean it's pretty basic. We just need few supplies every year and then um the one truck that I use most of the time for environmental, we get gas for it and everything else. So, it it's pretty basic. And I've been trying to send you your budget summaries on those as well now, just so you can kind of see what's going on in there.

So sure. It's in its own fund. I don't think it's a budgeted fund. He It's a fund and he like um makes dispersements or not dispersements, but he puts um like receipts in with Amy um in there. So, he's depositing into there and then we have an accounts table that comes out of that, but it's not a budgeted fund. Yeah. Not at all. Look, not a honey hole. Oh, okay. Oh, that's for the LAP. Oh, yeah.

I thought maybe I might find some money. Mhm. Good. Good luck with that. I can tell you're real quick. Opening the washer. That much cash. We've been taking money out of an office. We've been running that department for a long time. So, there ain't nothing in there. It looks like his cash balance is uh 16,868. And then he just has it's just a looks like he has a commodities and contractual line item that if he needs to pull out, he can. But it's not there's no budgeted amount. It's not a three figure. No.

Interesting. No, but I believe that's another statute thing that it has to be kept separate from noxious. Correct. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. So, we'll put it in the like it was last year and then we'll they'll talk about the fulltime I guess the way they'll look at it when we see how much see how much uh the mill levy and the money and all that. Like I said, I'm sure it ain't coming. I just I can't give up on it because we do need it.

We got another guy getting work to death. Yeah. Okay, perfect. Did it get your Yes. Oh, yeah. Did you have any line item for security? No, but I think we're gonna have to get one. Thank you. Nancy ready and hers is just built into commission. So I did not that's where all our money was going which I'm also happy to pull that out and into its own department if you guys want but for right now it's just a line item under you guys.

Yeah, that's a Scott question. I don't Hope hopefully this is short and sweet. So, and towards the back one is

um Sesa pulled out of what my budget was last year and over the last few years at one time I was at 15,000 is what you guys had allocated and we I think that we saved money from when I moved from one office into where I'm at now. So, you took it down by $1,000, but I'd like to ask to go back up to 15,000 because of fuel prices and last year I went over the 14,000 by $22. So, if we could just make sure all lot for that because also um I've had some repairs on the Suburban this year and the Suburban's going to need new tires, too. So anyhow, so that just trying to ensure that that there's enough there.

Yeah, because with fuel cost and and utilities going up and everything a little bit, just kind of want to bump it back back up if we can. Looks like in 22 it was 15. See here some history. So there's what it was in 22. Yeah. And these are actuals in here. I'm not sure in 25 it says six, but I'm not cheating. remember we did pull it up and it was so I'm I'm looking at this. I don't know if it was just going from a different Yeah, I've got that one that we pulled for me if you if you need it session. Okay, good. Yeah, 22. Yep. Yeah. So, okay. Was that for the 25 year deal? Yep. Yeah. 1402.

Yeah. Well, prior in 2024 the actual was 10,000 spent 2025 was 14,000. See, we also have insurance on there, too. Yes. So, I don't know if that includes her insurance. That's right. So, what he's talking about on the actual 26 budget, you have two line items. Okay. You have a community service insurance. I don't know what that's for. And then community service. So, it's insurance on the building and 17. Oh, it's just the Oh, okay. Okay. So she wouldn't get it as a it'd be always spent on the 17108 would be responding. Yeah.

No, I think I got off on the commission line. She This is correct. When I reported I'll read you this one real quick while I was talking, but it is she did she was at 100.16% of 14022. 14022. Yeah. And 22 cents and 22 cents. So that line was different. Yeah. Okay. So I wonder if I got off on my have to go back. Yeah, but it it does seem like the utilities over there since I moved in there have gr has gone up quite a bit. So

well one one year that see they hadn't raised the rates forever. I was doing the budget for a couple years to help them out and they raised it 21% just in I don't know what year that was 22 maybe 22 years. Yeah. Yeah. 22 or 23. 23. Yeah. So that's a big jump. 21%. I don't know if the insurance comes out of your budget. Yeah. But the insurance will go definitely. Yeah.

But yeah, but like like I said, I had on the Suburban this year. I uh replaced the We had to get a new battery, replace the alternator, and they worked on the brakes at the same time and that kind of thing. And and I put that one off. I put off tires, but it does need tires. And I've got an estimate of like $900 for for new tires on it. So anyway, how many miles you got on? Seriously, just right above $100,000 really on Yeah, it doesn't have it doesn't have as many on it as And for being 30 some odd years old, it doesn't have that many many on it. I think it's 32 years old now. Was driving that time when I was on Township 12.

Mark was, you know, using that. Yeah, he was director. Yeah. And but it's it's been well taken care of and for what I do for taking at times I'll have two or three people with me whenever we're going on a crew to do something and then to haul things with it. It's big enough and we've got that that netting in the back of there that keeps things from going over the seat so it's comfortable for people and also you can you can haul a lot of stuff in it. Yeah. Like this afternoon, we're hauling boxes for the county attorney's office and we're and we're moving some stuff for Amy and whatnot. I've got two or three kids coming and and we're going to do that. But but it's perfect for that. So,

where those numbers from this like you had a busy week last well and I did all of these in one sitting at my house and by the end which is I did all my stuff at the end which was commissioner too. I was probably seeing crosseyed by that. We'll just we'll just redo it.

I'll hold it again. So, I have it noted here. Community service asking for 15 or do you want me to just drop it in there and then we go back if you decide not to or how do you want me to do that one? I think she's going to need it with the insurance and utilities. Yeah, we've been put that 15,000. Yeah, I I would just make it 15. That's almost a no-brainer on that. Yeah. I mean, if she goes over, it comes out of hard and we have some. So, yep. But I do know utilities gone up. Gas is gone. We everything

on on that part. It makes me me glad. I mean, ours are bad out there where I live, but it's like I don't know, city of Pratz. So I was shocked. I didn't turn my air conditioner on. My electric bill was still over 300,000. Of course. Yeah. But that's that's I mean just if we can increase it that's that's my major my major ask is so we're all aware that I think we can come up with $1,000 somewhere. Okay. Yeah, too take it out pay or something. Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

Just great and not even call back. And Nancy is very responsible with her budget. So, she keeps screening every penny out of it that she I'm afraid you guys are going to get me if I don't bring my receipts in. So, I always try to get my receipts to you and I appreciate you. I'll be nice about it because the IRS will get up to Well, is there anything else you guys need? 15 and0. So, we'll see what happens. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. How long you done this job? Going on 13 years now.

I didn't think of it that I was looking around thinking I've been here a long time.

Mark, you ready? It's a little more difficult with one screen. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes. Did you make a new one? I'm working on it. I'm pulling the numbers and making sure I correct. Oh, he's he's actually got his number. Yeah, we we talked earlier. So, he's on it. He's on top. Standing over you with a broom. I know. some extra stuff to because most of my expenses now are subscriptions

and he's one of the ones that I fully salaries for in the past because he was mixed. Yeah, it looks like they didn't pay me for I don't know 22. I just couldn't separate it. We changed. We can't go back and make that up now. I'll just be sad about it. a lot of room. Kept it the same as last year. Again, that second page that I gave you kind of shows various expenses. And a couple of them are going to be kind of fluid because I don't know what it is until they send me the renewal like that.

Civic Plus where they said, "Oh, by the way, we're going to raise your price 10%." Um the the email is a prorated for each email. So if someone quits or we hire a new one, it starts on the day they they start and it ends on the day they're terminated. So those are kind of hard to find out what they're but they're approximately the same because we keep the same amount of employees. The difference is we could add that to our offboarding. What's on the off? Yes, that that'd be great. The difference in the emails is on the where it says GoDaddy email 227 each is if it has the 365 included that gives them Microsoft Office. Oh yeah.

And we have three or four departments here in the courthouse that I've already changed. So they'll be the 227 each going forward. But we won't ever have to buy a copy of office at 500 bucks a piece either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yours is easy. Yep. Good job.

So, the remind me again how that worked back in 24. That was when you was still the computer services. It's on page 8A in the budget, but was that when when it was combined? Yes. And it was broke out. Now it's broke out. Yeah. Okay. This is the communications piece of it. Is that right? What was it? That was in there, wasn't it? Okay.

I noticed that. You saw my mistake. Uh-huh. We could just empty it. Oh, I see. It doesn't fit on there very good. Okay, perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Any more questions? I'm going use your fill now. Yep. Yeah. And I got it saved and I'm gonna send it to her so she doesn't have to input the numbers. Absolutely. Yeah, we have the technology. Yeah, we figure it out. Once we figure it out for you.

Yeah, that's something else. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Thank you, Mark. Yep.

We are a little ahead of time. at the restaurant. Pink too much coffee. It's closed for renovation. Huh? Close for renovation. Is it really? No. Oh, there. Get your phones ready cuz I'm going to go find a tree outside. You need to go look at the the room over there. The boiler room. Why isn't Can we get through there this way? We got to go car. I gota go around, but I have to look in there. Sweet. Amazing. You know that it's come a long way. Yeah. It's not the dumping pit of the courthouse.

What do we do with this? I just dump it in there. Yeah. More room. We can put more stuff in there. Don't say that. About that room's getting down in into it. When I first moved out the farm, I cleaned out the shed and made all my dad started bringing tractors and out there. Yeah. I'm going to put more in there. All the work you did.

Yes. Okay. If you would like to change out these new and approved commission, it thankfully it was just 2026 that was or 2025 that was incorrect. There's I don't know what you want that. Sorry. It is nice to have followup.

Yep. Okay. Perfect.

Yes. Yep. I agree. Go ahead and take a look at that bottom corner. And thank you. Thank you. And then was this mine?

Yes. And I went ahead and put the 15 in the 2027. Quick question while you're here. Yep. Do I need this one to mark? Can I just use the one he put in? Yep. You can actually just put in the ones he has. That's what I thought. Sorry. Let me get out of your way. Thank you. Yes. Hello. Did you see our list of video? Thank you. I to bring my um I'll get it to you. I want to say it's next Wednesday the 15th 13. That little lunch. It's a lunch thing. Oh, okay.

So, I'll send it to you. And if you're available, great. If not, no big deal. I'll just have to see what

you can come on up if you want. We're early. So, they're taking

Did you get my email with the I did. Yeah. And it's okay if you didn't. Well, I had my own already filled out, so I just prepped it. That's Yep. That's awesome. You're on it. I am trying to be today.

Uh Scott, that commission one I said on top is the new one. Yep. And I went ahead and added the 15 in there. So, but I didn't. Sorry. I'm pretty sure like not everyone goes to those. Oh. Um, it sure is.

Yeah. I just What I'm doing is I'm putting their sheet right behind that sheet. I notebook. Awesome. This type of process, it's really Listen, I'm a binder person. I create binders for everything. So far so good. My nurses and spreadsheets and spreadsheets and tabs and tabs and all that good stuff. So this is I might just leave that one in there so I know what to change. Okay, perfect. Thankfully it was just that 2026.

That was the only one. Okay. Okay. Good deal. Okay. Health department. Perfect. 10 seconds. I thought you guys were going to do all the talking. Um, no. So, I've always made a spreadsheet similar to this. Um, basically, I put in what we um, this is what I kind of do. I put in what I'm anticipating getting. This is what I applied for for grants for this upcoming year. Um, we will not know. They start uh, July 1st,

but we will not know until. So for KDH grants for this year, it'll be 141,000. So I just always try to make sure that whatever is going to be my budget request that I do have to cover those because those are not paid upfront. Those are we've kind of always done it to where any grant money I get, we take it in as a receivable, not really like in an account where it goes right back out of that account. So that's how we did that. And then um I just inputed our tax revenue from the last year, which was the 219. And then we for the 2025 um calendar year we had an income of 479

57188 is what um Alita got me as our number. You have a copy. No. I'm so sorry. Awesome. I don't know why I just Nope. You guys want to just kick her out? Take my verbal take my verbal word for it. I know. I'm a visual person, too. I don't know why I just was not on that this morning. So, have you seen any difference in the grand? We talked about that. Come down here for the apartment.

Well, so now what they do is they tell you like, so these are all pretty set in stone besides maybe family planning and wick. They'll be like, "Well, we don't know if we're going to get our funding for the year." And so then they cut you in the very beginning, but then they give you a additional payment and with like two months to spend it. So that's what they've been doing this year for this calendar year. So um it's kind of maybe like what they got left over is kind of either that or it's a surprise. We did get an extra aotment or something, but it's never based if you have 12 months to spend it. They usually give it to you with two months to go.

So all you can really do at that point is just reallocate your salary and you're not going to buy unless you have like medical supplies or something like that to buy. But um

so you have a little increase where that increase um I think I just rounded up 3% on and then I think I just um because then I used Sasha's um spreadsheet at the very end and I don't know if I filled this out all the way because Oh yeah, you did. She's filled out. Well, I just did that portion and so like insurance I just like rounded that to seven because it was like 6,800. But I swear, didn't it really come through at 10,000 or was that So we have not got the breakdown for this year yet. We've not paid the last one I paid. I thought it was So you I know you have like we're putting all insurance to that insurance line item and I know you had some like I was like I don't remember being this much last year.

Yeah. So we Let me get in here and look. You got quite a bit left of We haven't got any breakdown yet. So it's not been paid attention. Okay. Um so I just if there was any increase I just probably increase because vaccines are still expensive and I'm trying to do more of buying groups to where like I just locked in our flu for like the next three years to where if flu continue or that's just an example but if vaccines annually go up 4% every single year I'm locked in at this rate for the next three years. So like I'm trying to do things like that just getting into purchasing groups. Can I get a copy of this? I'm so sorry. This one? Okay. Do you want me to make a copy of that one, too? I'd like to have it in mind. Is there anything else we can make copies of?

That's it. Hey, shopping list for you. Quick question. So, this if you look on page 13 is her budget at the bottom of the 26 budget. I just want to make sure I'm reading this right. So this was the actual end of the year 25 that you collected. Yes. On your sheet 479 57188. Yes. I wanted to show the commissioners here. Uh if you look on page 13, we always try to be very conservative here because we don't want to overestimate. Okay. So what what was

basically was the 393507. It's fees. I don't know if you see that in the middle of the receipt side. So it' be like uh well start with the first column 24 is 493. this year was $479, but we estimated it's on new budget uh over there at the bottom on page 13. Yep.

And it's in the receipts. Okay. It's in the receipt side receipt top half it says fees. So it's kind of like twothirds of the way down on the So it's 493166. We budgeted 393507 because that was just an estimate. We didn't know what we were going to get. But we actually got on her sheet 479 571 on our sheet for that middle column. So we got about 90 80,000. Yeah. Almost 90,000 more than what we anticipate which is a good thing because you're being conservative. And then we're showing 450 in the current year, which should be still pretty conservative, I assume. And you think you'll feewise that will be

Yeah, I do. I mean flu shots were down a lot this year. And I think like just um with more like that I've always said that um exemptions go up the more that vaccine rates go down and so that is still a huge factor like major factor of just vaccine hesitancy. So but we still have to buy an aotment as if they were going to walk in and we always try to do it to where we don't you know have expiration or expired vaccines or anything like that. Like we are very we try to be very strict and stringent on our waste. So we're not just buying the same because we know that numbers are down. Okay. The only other question we're trying to kind of get everybody on the same page with the special equipment because we kind of made all that transfer last year to make sure everybody's So this is your balance.

That's what I show on our 1231 or is that look I haven't used it lately. So, I think that that would be and then what we're working on doing is coming you may I think you may already have it um a list of how that 255 would spread over the fiveyear period, right? Because it used to be like double that. So, I'm already down like that. For health, I have you at 25576277. Yep. Same. Yeah. So, so that's currently we can't both be wrong. Well,

that's one thing I think we're we're trying to be consistent with all the departments is I don't know do you are you asking for that at a certain time or at any time special equipment Novemberish we have sent out an email um of what to roll over to it or like toward and also what you're be accountable you know for transparency purposes is how you think you'll spend that 255 I mean I've had like that futuristic wish list for going on for years now. We're doing a much as we talked about last we updated every fall. Yes. So like the overview

the department she marks it's done what things are added. We have a process where it comes to the commission level now to get added. Yeah. And then we have one for capital outlay too or capital improvement too. So here's like everyone's list by department by department. And then do we have are we going to I don't know may or not going to do it like the fiveyear Excel spreadsheet where it spreads each department by like each one of these would be spread in what year you're going to spend it. So like if you're going to get a new by department. So like you would take their balance and then so it' be like an Excel spreadsheet that says in 27 here's how you're going to

that's what I used to bring until I dumped it into this. Yeah. So what I could do is like on I'm not going to create extra work. I just want I was just asking how you were. Sure. So like what I could do on these budget worksheets is I could just make a second page of that that I send them. Tell them their balance and break it down by year and then they could submit that with their budget. So they could be but this is by year and then the department is over here. Oh, I see. It's by year here. I got and then this is if it's been done or not. This is in 25. That's pretty good. Um, and this is like what was budgeted and what was actual to predict the it's hard to predict the future. So no matter how you show it, no matter how you show it. Yeah, absolutely. And they have a list. You have everything.

And that's not even like necessity stuff. That's just like if I were to need it like it's just in the future. I Yeah, I just Yeah, no problem. Okay. Like I think I had my refrigerators out three years and I ended up like Nope. Both them this year. Okay. It's a good thing to collect more than what we showed. Good. So the the difference is just so on you have the 3% in your 397 number. Yeah. You added five to your commodities. Yeah. You rounded on I just rounded and I just rounded on. That was it.

Well, I would go back and look at that insurance because I wanted to say that mine was higher and I don't know why. And I do think I have a Everyone's higher. I'm sure you like considerably higher and that is why we ended up doing the insurance lines because some departments were getting hit so hard and we didn't adjust for that and so they took like a $30,000 hit, you know, right? So, um, but yeah, they did go up last year and they're going to go up again this year. Yeah. I mean, nothing's going down. So, so make sure she's on the page with here. What we talked about earlier was some other department heads. So, you have the 3% added in there. I did. So, what we're trying to do is have them all flat, same as last year,

and then when we get done with all the other budgets, putting everything else in except for personnel services, then we'll see what kind of percentage we can add in because and I think that personnel is the one that I usually have quite a bit left over at the end. Like I want to say maybe 80 to 100 because because Yeah. Because if you look at 25, you spent 291, right? and you budgeted 374 because um we have to anticipate for sure are we going to be needed for warming shelters or any type of shelter or any type of disaster or anything like that. So and you have quite a bit like in 25 you have total 621 and you had a budget 795. Yeah. Yeah. So that's again we like

if it comes out of that like that was a cushion anyways. But since it's budget time I would bring up the fact that I would like to try to do the raise again for my two nurses. Were you what? My two nurses. Two nurses.

This is when we told you. Yeah. This is my third followup with it. tell you I do. And I didn't bring that. I mean, I would at least like to give them like a dollar at minimum, like a dollar to two, because when I did against the other seven counties that we work with, we have the highest population and they're severely under what the other um comparable nurses make. Yes. Two two of the girls.

I know. It's got to be and I can bring that back. I didn't think that this would be the meeting to discuss it at. So, I just wanted it Yeah, it'll be discussed later, too. But yeah, we can't do anything today, right? Exactly. That's why I didn't bring like their forms or anything. I just wanted to Could be like state legislators. Give them a 1% and give us Yeah, true. Yeah. Let's be nice. 84

and I'm not going to say it's happened to nurses increase. So just to remind you on page 13 again on our budget. I can't remember. I think it's because the grants went down some. The levy went up. Is that what it was? Yeah. So if we if the levy stays the same, it's okay. as it goes down then she loses a little bit of her state formula there. It was 139 and 24 179 and 25 and 219 and 26 is and that is what like I said I already applied for because those were due in March and the uh state formula is Yep. So

that's generally why her department doesn't get messed with so we don't lose the safe side of the Sure. It's all right. Yeah, I can bring it to the next one. Yeah, it's great. Thank you. Y any other questions for me? See, now I'm going to get you guys early because I'm just now supposed to be started. I've got it. I bet it's in my hell. I don't know if you actually did keep it. I thought I got them all back for some reason. Oh, yeah. We did.

Yeah. I'm sorry. Just trying to help you out there. I think I did. So, perfect. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Anything else? All right. Now, no, I'm good. Thank you. Thank you. Yep. You're welcome. Thank you guys. Yeah. Just send me a little Okay, I will. All right. Have a fun day. Excellent. You stay and watch. Thank you. She's no fun. You know, you should put some kind of a glow factor on the back of my head. Huh?

Yeah. Keep people from being blinded. You want me Terra's not fant and see if she can come in early or you could do yours say I got a couple I can knock out too. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Either way want to go Tyson.

Sure. So traed emails with the public defenders in the past. We've given them the 1.5 just to keep up with the state level that they're getting sheets for everybody on it. They're agreeable at that rate. Uh just so you guys are all aware, we don't enter into contracts until the end of the year, but that would be the they should get one. Yeah. Everybody got one?

Yeah. So the the middle paragraph has the total number there. For some reason, we've been over just a little bit each year in the sense that we've we've had more in the budget. I'm not sure where it got off, but this number should just wash. It should go in and come out the 827 95 92. It's good to have wiggle room, but What do you have on your sheet, Scott?

So, if you look on page 8A, public defender is in the middle there. Kind of one, two, three, three departments down, it says public defender. So, in 24 it was 79. In the middle column was 84,817. And in the 26 budget, 87. So, that's what um I'm saying. There's been a little bit more in there than what actually goes out. I misunderstood you. I thought you said we were Yeah, we were under That's what I thought you said. Yeah. Okay. So you So I mean if So So we have more in the line item than what was actually spent. Yeah. The the out the door number for 27 with the 1.5 is going to be 8279.

8275. Okay. And they're not paid hourly. They're just No, it's it's based on a contract that we enter into. and they both said they they're willing to do it again in 27.

So the the other one I'm not asking for a raise. Uh but with the raise that I received at the start of the year, if you've seen my bills, which I hope you've looked at my bills, I've worked I put in more hours. We're very aware the work. We appreciate all the hours you put in because we know we have to have them the 90 number. So we have the four months of 26. If you take average over those four months, we're right over that 90 number. I hope forever. I mean, hard to say.

Yeah. I mean I I don't foresee that the rest of the year is going to be as busy as the months of the year have been but I can't predict that. Uh also in the past so if we would if we would if it continues at that average we're over that 90 by roughly two grand. Um in the past we've also kind of used that line for other times when we have to hire outside. Yeah. It might be worth considering putting maybe 20 grand on top of there just in case we have to go out uh on other issues. That could be. Well, where does the other one come? Where in the hell is our commissioners?

It'd be pay at the very top. Okay. So, counselor is about five lines down, six lines down. Well, let me ask you this. What's David's coming out of? Is it coming out of yours too? No, it's coming out of this commissioner. Commissioners commissioners. Okay. So, and I think we put that in contractual. Yeah. Yeah. We increased that one a bunch. Yeah. We So, we increased it for two reasons. One is dispatch where there's not going to be any money spent this year toward that. But in 27, dispatch was in miscellaneous. Okay. Yeah. It's different. So, it's not included.

We increased it because of the 50 we was given or the 25 we gave. was 25 to the rattlesnake rattlesnake creek and then also I think that we kind of knew that we would be needing some of it deal we spent yes we increased to cover the cover that cost the appraisal part of that that's what I thought it was

yeah uh it doesn't I more than anything I just wanted you to be aware if the year keeps going the way it's going my line is not going to be able to be used for bluff or house you know um and so whether you want to raise wherever you want to raise it's probably worth having a conversation well see that that contractual line 87 268 334 I mean if you're wanting to I I don't know if that's what you're going to spend but some of that could moved to his line, the 90. It doesn't matter there. It doesn't matter because in the budget perspective, those lines, I mean, they're guidelines, but

I think we're all right. Yeah. Trying to think of last month's just looking at the percentage of what we used and the blood. And then I always go back and look at the month and then the year. Yeah. take it to the month. Yeah, I think we'll be all right. But yeah, Tyson's definitely been busy. 26.20 or 26% 26.24%.

Recurring well county counselors on site 36. probably worth asking DJ if there's any other potential appraisal related issues that could come up in the future where we would need outside services. That's it did go in the commission. Yeah, DJ will be here later on today so we can we can search back to that. But I think we'll be all right. Unless you still want to do that retreat out there might not come back. That looks fine.

Good job on the beach. Terra is two-sided. I put her BSP on one side and her CO on the other side. Okay, perfect. No, those are the two

I He didn't have it. I've never I shortened mine for you guys. You think what we're paying NBA follow? You want to pay me to spend an hourly do um you want me to go ahead and talk out? Yeah, whatever. I was I was one of the bad people and out of the 3% in my bad. Oh. So, um, yeah, I redid it. If you want to to make it just even, Stephen and mine is super easy, too. Everything is exactly the same. Yep.

On the um quick one. I just I just left it exactly the same. I feel like we can we can function. We are taking on projects um like reorganizing stuff, getting things in order, you know, um which files and binders and stuff cost money and paper, but um I think we're we're good. I don't

just one clerk. Yeah. Thank you. And then I can get rid of these two sheets here. Yep. Yep. Yep. I just put everything back to zero to make it good. I'll shred them. So yours is all the same except for 3% that you She just backed that out. Yeah, I backed that out. That's why I said she just gave us She took it out. Oh, yep. I just put it back to normal because that's the only thing that I changed was 3%.

I just backed that out. And then um on the court they did um pass um reimbursing our postage again for RNR which is a huge cost. So we're good there because they passed to reimburse that. So I'm not really too um worried about that. Postage is going up and we send out a lot of mail. So I'm trying to find ways to send out less mail like the AC's and our direct deposit on the in your 20 next year 2027 summary box on your new sheets. It doesn't include the 3%. Oh, yeah. Cross that out. Sorry. You're right.

I had it. I had that noted for when I had it in there. Y Okay, perfect. The new passing treaty laws for elections that we got to spend millions of dollars to test DNA before they can vote. Yes and no. There's there's um there's some stuff has written executive orders.

Um it only applies to the kicker is it only applies to federal elections. They can't touch state. So we might have to have a a system that separates out federal elections voter registration from federal elections to all our other elections. So, um it's that could get interesting. Um but on on the election side, if you register to vote, you got to register for both now.

Uh so if if you provide us proof of citizenship, like and this isn't kicking into gear yet, but if you provide us proof of citizenship, you can it's like two forms or something like that, you can go into the federal side of it. If you don't, you're only put in over here. So, you won't have to register to twice, but if you don't give us proof of citizenship, you're not going to be put onto that federal side. Um, and that's an executive order. Yeah, that has been signed. But, um, it's not until I get and it and everyone else will be grandfathered in. It's just new registrants that they would apply to. So, so they can't vote in the new in a federal election if they're not proof.

So, there's there's a massive amount of litigation out. whole chair over it and it's and it's not in effect. Got but it is it has been signed. Um

and the president had said it's his it's the Save Act is his number one priority. So we will we'll see what happens on that. Um we do have two really large elections coming up this year. Um I kind of told you guys the word we're getting from the secretary is really the second largest election in Kansas history they're predicting. So um we are moving to a new polling place. I don't we're actually going to save um money doing that. Um and then I did tell you guys about that they have warned us that our costs are going to quadruple um for Elvis, our voter registration system. Quadruple. Quadruple. I still think we're okay though.

Okay. I I have a question while we're talking about that. So, if you look on page 12, the election fund, I just want to make sure I'm following your sheet here. Okay. Okay. So, the election budget proposal you have here. Well, I don't I don't I don't know. I'm just asking. It's the same as 26, but 26 here on your sheet is 175 total budget. And on this sheet over here on 12 is 228. I think they're taking in the cash reserves, but that's part of that's part of budget authority. Uhhuh.

And 125. I think the difference too is contractual here is 125 and over on yours is 100. Did I pull I I just want to make sure I'm when I put in the 27 I'm putting in Yeah, let me get back in here. Let me see. I thought I last 54 is really close to the 55 which is fine and 15 is the same but it's the contractual and the cash reserve. I think that's the difference. Look, I may have just messed up again which well some some counties don't crack don't track the cash reserve as part of their budget authority.

I do have it in here. So I just entered it in. I do have 228037 in as my budgeted which um the cash reserve being 334. I just looked up on the spreadsheet. Okay. Which I don't know how to let her let me get sure. I was think is double. It's a selection. Yeah, it's a selection. Is it just 26? Uh 25. Let me look here.

Yeah, 25 is good because it at the bottom that middle column is 171643. And that's what you got there. And then the budget for 24 was actually 1892 and you're showing 149. I'm not sure. Or maybe is that cash? Oh, you know why? Because I started I put all new line items in for cash reserve. Yeah. So we could so we could track and they weren't before. So when I was running reports and pulling it, it wasn't included. Gotcha. No problem. 171's right. And then 228037 it' be your 26.

Yeah. I don't know what I did. No problem. No problem. We're We're just We're just trying to getting these once you get these all set up, it's awesome. It's Yeah. No, I'm glad you guys are are catching them. Yeah. A lot smoother than Yeah. We just need Everybody needs to use it once we get into it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll be able to get that sent out. Yeah. And and Jason when he we talked, we talked for probably about 15 minutes yesterday. He just he he was tracking. He's very good with numbers. And so we were just how you use it and Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I think we're I think it's just a matter of getting through it this year and we'll they'll be Yeah.

improving every year. Absolutely. Yeah. No, that's the goal. Yeah. Absolutely. Upward. Onward and upward. Growing pains. All your other counties doing it this way. Yeah. So I'm not I didn't ask Sasha did you pull you actually entered these or did you pull them from CIC? So I created the spreadsheet and and entered them all in manually because you can't I can run these reports. This is what I what I just I had two screens. So I had the report for the year and just manually entered them all and it it so it was a good amount of Yeah. There's not so CIC

not that puts it in this format. Not this format, but CIC what Ottawa County does. Um, she enters them manually, too. She does. She does all the line items off the general ledger. See, hers is different. So, what she does is she does she doesn't have the budgeted and the actual. She just has the actual for the current year or the actual for the past years budgeted for the current. Yeah. And she's running it out of budget prep, the report, but it's still she still

has to interm. So the only difference in hers instead of having like you've got a peri budget and actual she has like if it says uh like 5100 5200 all that by contract personnel services she actually has the line item ra the general ledger. So like a fuel the reason they want to do it that way is fuel for like roaden bridge or sheriff or whatever they actually have the line item out of the general fund to show I mean I'm sorry line item out of the general ledger to show by their line item. So they might be 15 line items. Yes.

And then down below she takes the same like they've done like Sasha's done. She takes these and puts them in this summary for my what I use in the budget. up above she has the line items off the that's the only that's yeah be like the sheriff yeah sheriff would have all you know so under so under commodities instead of just having commodities you'd have fuel you know whatever your yeah all that but there's I mean it CIC has it but I think yeah like you said I think may have to do some it's this is going to work yeah this is this is nice yeah yeah I wanted to be able to see budgeted too just

absolutely And I like the actual down below. That's that really helps when you Okay, here's what you budgeted on the ones that are we know up our estimates. Sure. Gives you good good uh insight. So, I'm just going to put in on yours. Well, I mean, you'll get you'll have in our sheet, but I just put in the 228 on that. Yep. And that is correct. And I'm fixing it now. I'm just making sure 25 is also correct. Yeah, no problem. Okay. So, 26 is the 228. 228037 is what the budget to build that in with the cash I was

so the cash reserve you have it there the cash reserve but it should be 30 33,454 instead of the 5,000 we'll get there no problem I plan to do is go through and take everybody's stuff enter it into these spreadsheets and then update your guys' binders with the ones that are all filled out if they're still signed yeah plan. We'll see if it gets done correctly. Sasha, most people would not have done what you did to pull this off. Okay. So, thank you. This is awesome. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. Uh going Yeah. Going the extra mile like this is Oh my goodness. It in the long run is amazing. Yeah. It'll once you have a system.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. So my hopefully it's fairly easy. We're not from Oh yeah. No, we're we're great. So both both of yours and you won't how do you know like an election is that just the secretary of state tells you all that or so I mean yeah like I like on all of us I know it's going to quadruple which I think we What's a quad? Remind me again. This not just for this qu I I'm just curious what's quadruple. Yeah. Let me Some counties may not have the reserve to pay the CL. It's a concern. That's why he told us he was like, "Heads up, start budgeting now."

Wow. Um, so we paid them 2500. Okay. So, it's going to be 10,000 instead of 2500, which is a And what was that for again? Uh, Elvis. It's our voter registration system that Yeah. goes to the secretary the Elvis impersonation school. Yeah. Right. And we didn't even get a presentation or anything. I know. So, it's one it's going to go to 10. Y that's not too I mean it is a big jump but I mean I would sometimes and we've been putting security measures into place and um we did get a security grant which is nice. Okay.

Nope. I think I think we're good there and I don't anticipate like even if we um Oh, this is where you get it right here. We have a pretty good amount um in special equipment. So, I feel pretty comfortable not patting the budget in case anything you know I just I thing a yearly thing then was that is it a yearly thing or just the training? Well, yes, it's annual. It's annual. Yeah. So, what had happened is they had locked us in for I can't remember what he said now, seven years, five years. So, they haven't been able to raise their cost on us. So, we're going to get we're going to get um

So, I did find out though um which probably comes to not too big of a surprise that um Kansas is one of six states that gets um no funding from the state for their elections. Another mandate. Did you get a new one? No, I'm I'm making sure it's my my programming isn't working right. I'm going to get out and get back in. So, I'll I'll get it printed off though. Yep. And get it updated. Perfect. So, the state didn't try to get Sasha Hoffman discount. They don't know about you. No. No. I am friends with other people up there, but not enough to can't

give us a discount. Um and they did tell them that they legislator, hey, this is coming. Yeah, we need to for three years in a row now, um they've been declining to budget for it and um they decided not to. So the 20ome million dollars it's costing is going to be passed down to the counties. That shock me. Oh yeah. And I think it goes by population. So the larger counties, you know, you're looking at 20 some thousand and it's going to quadruple. So, I mean it's it's a problem. Yeah. We ought to be getting cheaper. We're delusion.

No problem. Shouldn't take me too long. My um Okay. So, who' you say was next? 1045. Terara. Terara. Looks like Simson. Yeah. Perfect. What?

Refresh my memory last year. We didn't dip into any savings, right? We didn't spend cash or anything. No, I think we still have uh I can show you one thing here. Well, uh, while we're waiting, if you look at this this other stapled document, it looks like it has it actually had the schedule in the front, I show you some things here that I don't think I did this. The next page, I didn't number these pages, but it looks like this. It's got color on it, and I've got a big purple circle around it. Yeah.

Okay. So, I started I used to just do the actual year of doing that three to six months, kind of see where we're at, you know, with the expenditure. But what I started doing because of Brown County was Brown County at the end of this 25 only had $6,465 in their general fund.

Yeah, they've got they've got a little bit of capital improvement, but I started doing this because I wanted to see how it flows. So, like I want to show you how this works. So, if you look at line 16, general fund, it's kind of what I've always showed you. You know, the six months and then you get over there and you have 2.4 4 million at the end of 24, but you're about 517,000 under your ideal 6 months. So you're about 5 months at the end of 24. Okay. Then this is the middle column, the next one down, line 22. So you would have the 491, which didn't change a lot, the same 6 months, and you're about 986 in the middle column of where the unencumbered cash is at 25. So, hold your finger there or just keep it there and then go back to your budget sheet. I want to show you um go to page uh page six. It's the cash at the very top of page six. So, this gives you a pretty good idea here on page six at the top line at the end of 24 is 1 million704. You see that? Okay, middle column is 2.4, but actually at the end of 25 at well that's the beginning of 25. At the end of 25 it's 1 million. I wrote it out there in purple 1,965234 and we had estimated it was going to be 1,601. So we have 300,000 roughly 360,000 more than what we anticipated. That's because we always keep the receipts conservative. We always keep them conservative. But when you look that back to the sheet I was showing you first, there is a little trend going here, you know that we are spending

we're spending cash a little bit more than the six months we're down. So if you looked at the 28 line in 26 there, it'll be interesting when we get the 27 numbers. I'm going to do the same thing and just start rolling this forward. So we see three years instead of two year or one year. But if you look line 28 the estimated is about 556,000 in month a month and that would be 3.3 and at the end of because everybody's budget some of that's going to carry over but it's 708. So we're about 26 down but some of that I was thinking through this some of that's when we added this transfer to special special equipment in the general fund to each one of those. It's not like we're spending it. It's just going to another it's going to another fund.

And that's one thing that you have that really helps is you have the capital improvement and equipment. Not all counties have that. I mean they and a lot of them are using it to fund their mill levy. Yes. And so you're not you're not really doing that. you're keeping that for other sort, you know, replace like the roofs or, you know, whatever you have to have to

uh spend it for like Brown County or Yeah. Brown County, it it's they're really tight on it. They're just trying to keep it tight. They're they laid off six people and this last year. And what's interesting about theirs is they've used up their let's see they've used up I don't remember 700,000 of their uh capital improvement and we had a 9 mil increase last year and they only went with a 4.5. So we're going to have another problem this year because they've not builded it. They they were down 14 mills in the last seven years. They've never raised their mill levy. So you've had a little bit of cash, but this big jump here is because we're counting all the transfers.

Yeah. I think I think that expenditure jump it'll be interesting to see how 27, you know, 27 budget when I do the same thing for the 27. There had to be some cash. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to Doug. You weren't in on this conversation, but uh we had a great convers we we went the whole three hours on department training. A lot of times it won't go three. they'll go two and a half because there won't be a lot of questions, but there was that was a lot of input. Uh so Doug was telling we just used him as an example. So every time a tanker pulls on his lot to to uh fill his fuel tanks, he said the first one was about 14,000 more than normal.

And and so this would be now we're going on our third month. So just that right there would be 14. If we just use 14, it' be 42,000. So we have 42,000 more that we weren't anticipating. And the same with the sheriff, it wasn't uh Jimmy wasn't there. What what's I always forget was there. So we were just talk we were just talking about, you know, that cost. So there's some things like that, whether it's insurance, you know, fuel, some of those. They will burn through cash more. I mean, I just filled up this morning at 520. That's the most I've ever paid. 527 for my diesel truck, you know. That's it's It's going to hit here unless we get something changed. It's going to hit budgets pretty hard.

When we talk about like what the legislature keeps saying that counties are sitting on substantial cash, this is why this is I would like Scott to go up and talk to the legislature about well we're building golf. This is this is kind of interesting. Yesterday there's a new mayor in McFersonen. So we had the audit report done and we had a little powell and then he wanted to talk about he just wanted to talk about and he never heard me talk about this six three to six months. He was the CEO of the refinery in McFersonen for a long time. Then he went to CHS's headquarters and was CEO of two refineries up in Minnesota I think where they're at.

And he's a Jim Loving is his name. He's a really he he I just like he's really down to earth. But I was explaining this and he goes, "Oh my goodness, that's so simple. Why can't people, you know, I mean, because it is it's nothing more than what my grandma and grandpa, you know, said about personal." on people. I think when you can relate what you're doing here to your personal, you know, because fuel fuel cost is going up, you know, all these different things are going up and it's going to burn through cash and and the and the reason I put three months or three years on here on this sheet now is so you can kind of see the flow of the the actual to the current year where you're at and where you're at at the end of the budget. And I could not get I'm not doing I only did Lynn County one year. I couldn't get them convinced that you, you know, they're the ones that used um

750,000 of ARPA funds to do their employee benefits uh the year before I started. Well, how you going to fill that in? Well, they used their capital improvement and Karen Tyson showed up at their budgetary because her father-in-law lives there. Yeah. This this is just it's just unbelievable how it doesn't it's a power it's a power. It's nothing to do with finances. It's a power struggle.

I tell Tyson, I just, you guys have all heard this probably Tyson u at the commissioner meeting, we were talking about this because the appraiser from Selen County was uh doing a kind of like answer questions and things and the clerk from Lincoln County and um said, "Yeah, they're they're really trying to take over the treasur function and the appraiser function at the state level, making them a state employee." and you start looking at that local control versus state control. Uh there's a lot of things there. I don't know. It's just it's a weird I mean I've done this 43 years. I've never I don't think I've ever really seen this kind of what I call a takeover basically is what it is. Well, the reason I'm asking about cash

Yeah. is we've heard from our constituents. Yeah. And they are suffering with Yeah. Mhm. So, you know, we kept it 100 the same last year. This year, if we do that again, we're probably going to be spending more. Yeah. And that's kind of what I'm watching. Well,

one thing I'll I'll show you down here on the bottom page 62. I didn't There's a long rectangle there. Interest on idle funds. And I know Amy talking about her. I know Amy. I know Amy is She was just afraid to talk to banker, but we got it all done. Yeah. And they were very they were very open to getting interest. The only one that I think sort of bo maybe just a little bit was people. Was people's. Okay. Yeah. But when you're looking at it, it's about two I think she'll I think you'll recognize two mills of interest income. Oh, I do too. Yeah. And two mills would be right at 400 I mean about 400,000. And it could be more than that.

It could be more. Yes. Depending on how she does. That's something that just needs to stay, you know, she needs to stay on. And I think she is I think she understands it now. But to show you, it'd really be cool for transparency to show like maybe three years. So like show 24, 25, 26, bless you, of where the interest is by much because some of the clerks, I don't know, I don't know if Sessa does some of them do that with sales tax also. They'll they'll track it what like for a three-year period they'll show so you can kind of see if the sales tax trends some of those bigger line items that are not real estate taxes

you said it earlier spot on the cities that have electric are not hurting as bad because like the Alva now we I learned some things from Pratt city I went back to Galva and I said you got to make sure your rate are where's your rate at so we were 11 cents a kilowatt and stayed the average is 14 and we wonder why we're out of money. See, because you just got to keep monitoring those you get keep monitoring those cash flows. Uh because if you don't, you're going to the costs keep going up and if you don't Yeah. So this county that's why counties are hit so hard is they don't have a lot of other revenue sources.

Yeah. I mean electric if you if you really manage electric fund right in a city I mean when they used to have it a little higher there in Galva they paid all their salaries out of the electric fund they didn't even use the tax money

yeah so anyway that's just that's kind of where I there's and I didn't go through on the budget what we did session I can do uh I think there's another Excel spreadsheet Lauren has but that number right there that I gave you that 1.95 or time 65. I want to do that on every fund. I circled it, but I just didn't go back and do it because that is very key on every fund to see like in this case it's awesome because we were just thinking 1.6 and we're at 1.9. So if we if that's true in every fund that we're we were conservative enough to get more have more cash, then we're that's a good that's a good place to be.

There's only one that I want to check out and that is Noxious Weed. I'm thinking that his cash is flow because looking at his budgeted and actual um we had to reverse out a transfer to special equipment in 24 because of his cash. I don't know if we're being and I I thought I remember digging into it and thinking maybe that his receipts receiving wasn't wasn't there some I thought it was wrong. There was something weird about that too. But like the whole environment, I think that's when we learned about the whole environmental and what if. But um we could do that when we could do that when we look at you getting this noxious food cap outlet set up and all that. We'll

Yeah. And also probably Terra since we're just starting out making sure that we have Yeah. Um receipts on on hers. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't I sent out a reminder email. I want to text her. She's Is she on her way? Okay, perfect. Perfect. Out these again. There's another one. There she is.

Sorry, I was waiting on Cheryl. I She's snuck in. That seat's hot. It's okay.

Thank you. This is Cheryl's. If you want to see how it flows, also you can look on page 16 of the budget because uh 25 was the first year we broke it out like what we're talking kind of gives you a visual training material on the submitted iter. This was her sheet. Yep. And I can Let me print that off for you real fast. You would have it. Okay.

Well, go ahead, Cheryl. Cheryl brought in her actuals for 2025 and um Elder Care's retirement Is that what

the agreement the agreement that they have with Elder? Oh, is this this isn't something that you signed? No, this isn't Oh, okay. No, this is sent this to me um just to update it.

See, you're just giving us this. Yeah. Um she just asked me to show it to you guys and um I know it says May but we need to hold off on that till 2027. Um she's fine with that too. It's not something we saw.

She just wanted to share it with you. Do you have any questions? You're asking for the same amount to increase a little bit just kind of offset since we purchased the vehicle on that. And then I'm not real sure where we're at with the city changes um that's going to take place. Um

they were saying yesterday in our joint meeting they're planning on starting this fall sometime. prepared. They also said the west room. All right. That's your guys, is it? Yeah, that's what I would say. Not be affected other than one day maybe no power. Okay. So, and they were going to shut the east door is what I understood. Wasn't that what they were saying? Good. I don't It doesn't make sense to me because I haven't been in there. Oh, well,

you come in and not so the east door. Gotcha. We just put a temporary plastic wall so people can't get over. Okay. Messed up north. Yeah. Okay. Yep. So you're asking for 30,800 instead of the 25. The president stays the same. Is that what you're looking at? Preston stays the same. It's the 245 and it been 21. So 3,000.

Oh, I'm sorry. I got the question. So we paid the 21545 on this sheet. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm trying to figure out how much of an increase they're asking for. 3,000. I think if you look on the sheet that Sasha come up with here, uh you look that line item on the one side 05301. You have Pratt Senior Center 21545. And that'd be the two years we're into now. We did 25 now we're doing 26. And then Preston's uh senior center is the same. And what you're asking for on this sheet over here is 24545 and it was 21545. So it looks like to me it's 3,000. Is that is that right?

Yes. 3,000 increase. Yeah. Because it's Preston stays the same. Yeah. Right there. No. Right there in the middle. Yep. In the middle there about uh halfway down there's two lines. It says uh Preston and Yeah. Yeah. And so the 24 is the 3000 increase. It was 21 in the 26 budget. Oh, that's my bus stuff. Oh, that's something else. I think that's something else. I gave you a Yeah, that's all of my stuff. Okay. Like,

and then I assume what this is is handwritten. This is your Yeah, your records. No, it's great. What the the fir the front page is the expenses goes over to the next page. So you had an expenses total expenses of 20,91960. Is that what it's down at the bottom on the second page and then the income is the next page 24,130. So you took in a little more than you spent. Is that due to gifts or what? Was that donations? Yeah. And I think it shows a summary there on the last page. Kind of gives her summit.

So catch me up just a little bit. So the building you're still in the north building where you were at? Okay. Is that going to be that way or is that or did it change? Still there. Still there. Okay. Police are going to be on the east side of the police is going to be up there from the city. I haven't worked on the city for a couple year or a year and a half now. Was a certain loss. Okay. Okay. Anyway, so this this gives a good summary of of where you're at on the senior center. Yeah. Yeah.

And they did keep in the clause to the lease that um anything that was dual or the senior center side of things that they were going to do a 50/50 split on a bill. They did not take that out. So they did not take that. So um that is still in there. They put in new car.

Oh the AC brakes. the you know I it really doesn't state exactly what those things are. It it says like I think it says like for example I'm sad that I didn't I took it out of my folder actually. But yeah, you can go back and look at it. Um that it you know it doesn't we did try to get them to like kind of zone in on well there's three um electric meters like what do those what's the difference in the three and where do they go to? Um, and

when they brought back the new lease agreement, they didn't really change any of that or give us any new information on it either. So, it just kind of stayed the same. Um, so just so you're aware that didn't change. So that the building building 50% apparently 50 now apparently 50% of it. Um but Cheryl, have you you haven't necessarily seen a bill from them to pay 50% of something yet.

Nobody's said anything or not. That's only been like a month that we, you know, that they had signed that. So, and I don't know whether they they will start that in 2027 when remodel starts.

Okay.

So, you want me just put the 24 545 in the line item for now? Yeah. For senior center. Yeah. Okay. Nope.

Yeah. Is there any ch changes? Oh, I Yeah. So, I got rid of elder care meal reimbursement out of the budget. Um, so it doesn't include it anymore. Um, on that is that being paid to like not yet, but like I figured that that was where we were headed, so that's why I didn't put it in there. Let's I'd request an executive session for 15 minutes to discuss non-elected personnel. I'll make that motion.

And it's to discuss all of this. I don't accurately describe it, but you want to call Elder Care, RSV, whatever you want to call it. Okay. I'll second it. It's It's not elected. It's not attorney client. It's not privilege, but it it would benefit you guys for Scott to be included in this. Okay. Oh, okay. Benefit everybody. So, you want Scott, Terra, Cheryl, not an employee. Oh, we don't we don't pay. Can't be in. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Okay.

Make a motion we join executive session for 15 minutes for non-elected personnel. All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Same sign. Motion carried.

I'll make a motion we come out of executive session with no action taken. I'll second it. Been moved and second and we came out of executive session with no action taken. All in favor say I. I post same sign. We are back in open session back. Yeah. So there's one side that that's BSP and another that's COA. That's kind of how structure. So there's the two.

Are there any differences in DSP?

No, I did um use like the constructual and commodities. I made those more um from what um was actuals from 2025 um they were higher and the COA was lower. So I kind of flipped those a little bit to what they what I was actually kind of at spending in 2025. Um, and then Oh, I put insurance in the wrong spot, I'm guessing.

Maybe not. Yeah. Is that insurance for the land? Um, insurance for the vans and the building. And the building. Okay. So, I wasn't sure since we haven't paid 2026 insurance yet. I wasn't really sure where to put that either. Um like how much I needed for that. Um so so it looks like um the COA it looks like the insurance was paid. Oh no, there's nothing paid actual there. There's budgeted budgeted in 26. Let's see here.

We haven't paid insurance in 2026 yet is the issue. We haven't got a breakdown yet. And so I didn't know that's why I didn't know what to budget for 2027 insurance

and I didn't put it in my budget for 2026. So it must have like so I went ahead and got it in there this time. Um the I did split so back coming back up to the top um I getting rid of elder care mill reimbursement I did split up um the grant funding and the trans the bus fair um last year that number was combined um to one thing. So um I split those two up and that funding is from FY26. I still haven't gotten what FY27 what it might look like. Um let's see. um the so I'm I am a little confused on um a like budget authority via if so in 2027 or in FY27 um there is capital outlay for a new cutaway bus

um and so that's what you have back here from my um FY 27 grant application. I just wanted you to see that that what the bus costs and um so I'm still trying to understand budget authority and the fact that like the what happens is they get the money for all of it. They give it to us. We put it in our fund. And then wait was it all of it? Yes, I think. And then we turn around and pay K dot back I want to say for our share of it.

Uh see by setting this all up in one fund the way it is. Uhhuh. The total budget authority by state law is this is the 26 in 26 is the 36592. Okay. So there wouldn't be you have line items and you might go over line items, but from a budget standpoint, you're you have So do I need to put I mean the full amount of my Yeah. And it would go bus in there. Yeah. Okay. So the capital I put it I put you put the I put the local match into capital outlay.

Do you receive the 140? Um, we receive maybe we just received the I'm trying to remember how that happened last time. Don't you just receive the 80%. Whether they send us the 80% I they give us we are the ones that write the full amount. So give us this amount. Okay. Then you write and then we write the full amount to the company that um that built it and sells it. So, when's the last time you bought a bus? Couple years ago. Couple years ago, but we ended up getting it just last year. Just last year sometime.

Okay. And we weren't I wasn't within the county yet on that. I was still my own own entity.

Yeah. So, um, that was my question on I figured capital outlay was where it needed to be, but I wanted to know whether I needed to added the full amount to it. But technically, I mean, it could maybe I could have put the request part up here. Yeah, that this would be for 27. Is that right? Yes. And that's the other thing it's for. So, it'd be for FY27, which is

um on this budget worksheet, it has the um FY27 is July 2026 to June 2027. Yeah. Um but like we only that is due when we get the bus and they are kind of back. We might not get it um for a while and I don't have I also don't know whether we're getting it. Um I'm I might be able to say that within the next month whether we're getting it or not because they'll tell me. So the way the fiscal the way the fiscal would work is put it on a graph. Yeah, we can we could put it in here and estimate it.

Okay. For 27, but the kicker is you you wouldn't get it in the fall of 26. You don't think the bus? There's no way it'd be it'd be I would say it'd be late um if not in 2028's budget. Yeah. So if we build it in the 27 budget and we put the we need to figure out if we you say we write the check for the full amount I believe. So we put the receipt in and above we show the expenditure out below and we build it in the 27 budget and that builds in also the budget authority. Okay, that's why I was asking make sure we doing it this fall. If we're doing it this fall,

we do have the money coming in. we would just have to amend the budget because you're your own budget now. Okay? So, we'd have to mend the budget. But if we don't have to have it till 27, then we're we're good. We can build it into the 27 budget. Okay? And if it what'll happen is if we build it in 27, it doesn't happen till 28 carried over and build it into the 28. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Then what else? And then I mean just under Scott's questions. Um I only went to four. Um I mean just the situations of course you guys are aware of the changes at the community center. I don't know what that's going to change for for us there. Um, so but I kept everything via the budget the same except for getting rid of elder care meal reimbursement. So if if it needs to stay in there, it's about $6,000.

Yeah. It's not until we figure it out. Large amount. That's just the way Yeah. Yeah. So, I just I wanted to get rid of it if that's what we were going to do. And so, I figured to go ahead and that was the only thing that I felt like I could that I knew for sure that we'd probably do. So, I added up like your VSSP and it looks like it would be a difference of like a it would be a 24,800 increase and your COA would be a 40,75 increase.

I don't Well, that's why because she said everything was staying the same. So, I was trying to figure out maybe where we because it looks like your personel line was right is stayed the same. your contractuals and commodities. So, or the one she described was up and down. Okay. On the BSP side and then we don't have capital outlay anymore. So, that would just be like contractual. There was an increase in the senior. Um and on the COA side, it looks like the increase is coming from contractual.

So your contractual was budgeted was 7,000 and what's being requested is 54,500.

Oh, contractual seven. Yeah. So, I mean, what's been happening since 2025 was that we budgeted and like what was spent in 2025 was out of your contractual line was 10,000. That's actual not budget. Oh, sorry. I think that's budget. Yeah, it is. It was 25. See? So, I just like I was just trying to That's all that Oh, I I thought you said you kept everything the same. That's why I was trying to find out where the increase was coming from.

Yeah. No, I would. So, building this budget, I took from what was spent in 2025 for contractual and commodities to make this up. Yeah, her 4,2678,

but I didn't spend as much on in VSSP, so I

think it's wind. Well, it was windy. Oh, no. We need to open our curtains. See what's going on. you see. So, um, that's a hell of a job. Yes, it is. That's what I'm trying to figure out. And I don't have this page in my You want me to make you copy? Maybe. Do you want have to do say what page? Well, it's page. First one. Oh, the first one. I had another one of those. I have another one of those. It's probably where it went. Oh, yeah. I got two.

Um but I have um like guess I should have I mean have to do with the grant money like money coming in. This is just we're we're just solely looking at expenses. Expenses, right? But if there's grant money coming in that covers some of those expenses, that would explain why she's showing it the way she's showing it. You mean as far as the increase or potentially? Well, she's spending the money, but she's not accounting for the grant money coming in.

Yeah, I would still think that what was budgeted would be her budget. It's her budget authority. So, I think that was accounted for in the budget. Okay. But we're not we're the countyy's not spending the not the full amount 54,000 because we're getting grant money in, but she's got to have it in her budget for budget authority. Uh, I'm following you there. Yeah. So, we could go back and look on her page and see actually what was Adalorum tax and see like what is actually Yeah. and look at her receipts and make sure that we haven't Yeah. We don't want to tax our taxpayers twice for something we're getting. Oh, okay.

So, does that make sense? Scott, what you thinking over there? Well, I'm I'm uh so what I did on the BSP, I'm just trying to tie these these back and these you base these on 25. Is that what you said? Yeah. So, if you look at the BSP and you add the 161, 125, 4500, 2500 insurance, and 1,200, that's 192 325. Yes.

Okay. And on this sheet here, last year's budget was 1966 660 in the 26 on on Sesa's sheet. She pulled right off of there. 25 was the 162. So I'm not sure where that is, what the difference is there. You said it was using 25 actual. So I'm not sure on that. Then you go down and add the 94, 54, 25,000, and 30,000 cap outlay. That's 204978 and that is the co the council on aging and the budget last year was 164. So right there that's about 40.

Oh that's 40,000 difference there. So um I'm just trying I I I'm doing the same. I was just trying to make sure tie it back to where the numbers come from. I see the I mean the lines we talked about with the senior center that's that's there's no problem there. See that oh and that that actually added in the 196. Yeah. Okay. So that is in there and it's in this one but it's not in the number I gave you there. Oh boy. Okay. Let us let us um mess with this a little bit.

Okay. because I think we're still And what did you say you did with the contract part the contract and commodities you switched them? So, I just well I accidentally put insurance into VSSP and it should be in COA but um because that's where all of our insurance is cuz that's where the it's what the it would be COA not yeah not BSP but I took like I just took the actuals from Whoopsity I just took the actuals from what I spent in 2025 for

contractual and commodities and raised it just a little bit. So here's my ask and see if this makes sense. This is the sheet that Terra worked up. Budget is the top, actual is the bottom on both of them. Okay. And those should tie to that sheet. Yeah. Right here. Yeah. It should be the same. Okay. What would really be nice is if you take this sheet that has your numbers on it, and take the insurance and put it where it's supposed to be. Yeah. And and subtotal subtotal VSSP to exactly what you think that that budget should be. Okay. Not including senior center.

Leave those separate. You can leave those separate if you want. Well, what you could do is if you want to subtotal this top part of the VSSP and then add that in and then give the total because it is in I'm just trying to match the numbers up here. See? So is in line items here of the VSSP. So if you wanted to subtotal that top part, put those in that number in 97 should tie I mean sorry in 27 should tie to that total right there with the with the senior center. Does that make sense? I think so. They're they're in that line, right? You're always such a problem.

I'm sorry. This is I think this is the grant, right? Looking at thevenue receipts, the 101. Yeah. So, so what that is miscellaneous, but that she she talked about that. It's this um these two numbers right here. Yeah. And in the this year's budget is a transportation. So that what they're saying there, the bus fair, that's just receipts where they ride the bus and they don't have any I mean, yeah. It's kind of separate from getting reimbursed from the is the 81,373. Yeah. And so on the budget here, we actually show that. See, we show general public transportation on page 16.

There's a line item. The 119 is what we estimated in 25. And then 106 is what we estimated in 26. And that was a split she said that was going to happen for this year. Yeah. I just I Yeah, I just I split up those two numbers. I think what we she needs to if she could take this sheet and maybe you need to ask Terra. Terara did this sheet. If you two could Sasha did that sheet Sasha did this plugging in third person. Can you put your name on the top of that on the top? Got it. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. So, are you wanting her to plug her information into our sheet? That would be awesome. Yeah.

Is that what you're asking? If you would just take this Excel spreadsheet, take this and plug it in the way it should be because this is what we'll actually use in the budget. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And she'll have the Excel. Yeah. Okay. Does that work? Yeah, that works for me. Okay. The reason being is we're not to nothing's totaled here and trying to match them up. Total at the bottom. I think once we get this the way this is in the budget here, I've got the receipts in here and just getting those two broke out the way they should be. Okay. As a department actually, what I could actually well maybe put some line in between there so you can see it separate because it is two things or three things with the senior center.

It just it's we're just trying to make it clearer. Yeah. And then in the 27 one, we'll build this 140 in as well, the 80% would be up here as a receipt, the state grant for transportation for the new van. Right. Okay. And then we'll build in the 20% down here below or you can show it. I don't know how you got have you got it shown anywhere here. The 20% I put it in. Is that the 30,800? Yep, that's it. Okay. And then we can we can break that out. And what we might do, uh, instead of saying cap outlay, we might in the line item, we could say cap outlay dash or whatever, but we're trying to get away from capital outlay. Okay.

But we could actually say, um, share of share of transportation grant or something like that because that's what it is. Yeah. 3,800. Yeah. Well, yeah. Capital outlay share transportation grant. Yep. Yep. Okay. Why don't we work on that? Why don't you get this filled out? Exactly. take this sheet and fill it out exactly like this and that's what we'll actually use to put in the budget. Okay, I'm sure I'm emailing that right now because we work. Yeah. Okay, perfect. We're getting there. We will. We're getting there. Okay.

Okie dokie. And let's see. I think that was the only question I have. She got the back up here to make that 140 and 20% and all that. That's what these back pages are, aren't they? Are the van. The van. Y that's And then these were just things you the questions I had had in previous years. You I just filled those out. Gotcha. And one other question I had on the meters. That was kind of an interesting conversation. The other thing you said is,

you know, I'm just I'm saying this from helping the county side. But if you have three meters, the electric is run by the city chart. The city chart makes the bills up. How do we know those? How do they know how do we know those three meters?

Oh, you've had that conversation. I'm sure you have. I I just I mean just sitting there listening that that would be the only other thing is when you go it would seem like for clarity purposes on both sides there would be some kind of like a a sheet that says here's the total expenses based on the contract here's the share if it's 50/50 or whatever and show how those are calculated just for clarity purposes on both sides and it's seen I've been in too many of these situations where there there's a shared shared expenses and we have too next door. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that just that's my last stop. Okay. Okay.

All right. Okay. Yep. Just when you get that plugged in and I'll update their binders. Okay. Perfect. I might reach out to you. Okay. Here we go. Thank you. You ready?

Anything you want. Brain cells that my com Yeah. Good morning. Morning. I'll try to keep mine fairly simple. Thanks.

I appreciate that. That's good. So basically the the line item for the approved of last year is the same amount was requested. Um I did clean that up to where we took that the capital outlay.

Yep. Yep. And I'll plug it in. I did end up working all weekend and getting this made up so next year will be easier. Yeah. Okay. So, I'll I'll just plug your numbers into here. But no, that looks great. Yeah. And then the only thing I did was I moved I moved a little bit around just to the equipment repairs added to that topline item from from last year's request. And then I took some out of the payroll because I would like to see the chief salary reduced but keep it within the budget in order to be able to, you know, we used to assist the townships with

page your batteries, pages, whatever. Um, not to exceed a thousand, you know, but to help them a little bit. I don't know how that works, but well, you're interming chief right now. So, not to not to change that, you know. I mean, change the I'd like to see the salary reduced on that and then helped some of those out a little bit, but that doesn't I mean, that just keeps the It keeps the keeps the total amount just that makes sense. Yep. And it is what I have too. It looks like it's the same. Yeah.

Going off of this. Yeah.

Now you need to go get with the rest of this afternoon. So just that easy. Well, he needs to bring an application back. We've been after listing down. I've considered it. Well, we've had some applications even last week. I think another Yeah, I heard about one of them. I think that was wasn't the one we got last week. The same guy from California. I think it was I never paid attention to There's been a couple who have applied for it a couple times. A couple times and then I

You're doing so good. I don't look at the applications. I just assume he's going to be intern. It's been fine. I don't feel like I hardly have time to Well, BJ said he needs you to successfully do it. Finish out his plan for the state. Well, that's why he told me was a good student at the department head training. I'll tell you that. Absolutely. No peer pressure or anything. We didn't tell him to do that. I didn't say anything. I just said that. You were soaking it all in over there.

He does an excellent job. Yeah. Yeah. But I was a construction company. Is that what you Yeah, that's what I thought you told. It used to be work at EMS, too. Oh, okay. Yes. Okay. That's right. I remember that now. Okay. Well, we can put it in put that in the there questions on that. Is that does that all make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I tried to tie these into here. Yeah, that's perfect. And that's what eventually she had here is all you have to do Excel spreadsheet and it'll fill in down below. Okay.

And then that's what I take to put in here. So, like to show you I don't think I showed it that day. You want to copy this? We did go through it, but it Yeah, but I don't think I should show. You have a copy? Yeah, a copy. So, like here, this down here, and the same thing you did here, it's in right here. Correct. As part of the general fund. Okay. Correct. Yeah. So, it's it's pretty cut and dry. Yeah. Makes sense. Yep. Okay. We go. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Thank you. Have a good rest of the day.

Yeah, you too. You too. On this I So I had to do it anyway. I kind of did I did I decrease this since it's going to be an offear election and we won't have that. Yeah. Is that good or would you keep it what it was the same as last year just in case something crazy happens? because I I I'm only going to spend what is necessary, but I'm not going, you know, uh let me look at one thing. Yeah, let me see. How much cash we have? Like, do you want to I just want to see what the budget showed. Nobody.

Well, yeah. So, I don't know what each of us get a bucket.

Expenses 228. So, you've only spent 10 would have been um security into place. Yeah. Make a motion we recess until 1:00. Second. Been moved and seconded. The motion to recess till 1:00. All in favor say I. I. I. Same sign. and your recess L1 One.

Yep. Like to call the recess meeting back to order. You guys want to come on up? Come on up. How do we want to do this? You start handing them out. Perfect. One for you. I'll pass it on down here. One for you, sir. One for you, sir. One for you, sir. Suppose you want one too, sir.

All right. What's the What's a contract?

It is a uh traffic safety camera system. Oh, okay. That's what's on the polls. Oh, yeah. when they know you're coming in a tent. I mean, like they can track track you. Oh, yeah. Big brother's watching. Yeah. They're quickly spreading across the nation.

Yeah. Mhm. Gracious. They raised their starting salaries by $5 an hour. No, that's how far behind we are. That's how that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah.

We caught up and three months later, everybody went up. We're around 20 now and 80s at 25 minutes one from Anthony. Wow. You by chance heard how much insurance is going to go up next year?

Yep. You mean this year? Well, yeah. For this budget. All right. Make me puke. Here we go. Well, it's going to be different for each entity, but we haven't got the breakdown. Yeah, they haven't. Usually Willie will break it down like she comes in and says, you know, overall and I don't remember what the overall was. I know her health insurance was 14%. Yeah, I think insurance was eight or nine. I can't remember somewhere in that area, but she'll give me a breakdown so I can I just haven't received that breakdown yet. Okay, that's an estimation. So yeah, sure. The way it's been spiking dramatically every year.

Yeah, I think yours was like 59% or something. Sure. I'm sure it is.

Oh my goodness. Yeah. Hail storm out the new building. I'm sure it'll be increasing next year. That's nice.

Before I pull out insurance, I've been watching for just so you know what it is. So, you're asking for a 286,939 raise. Yes. The budget. Yes. You like to tell the people what that's for?

That is to get our officers in a competitive uh pay with our surrounding area. That is to keep up with the increasing costs of our contracts with flock with Axon. That's our car cameras, our body cameras cameras, which you must have um the increased price of just uh everything on a uniform, everything that straps to a uniform and training. And training I'm a stickler on.

You've got to have that. Yeah. Yep. We showed I showed on the last page we've been slowly giving back. I know I'm not giving back general funds that haven't as of 2022 181 g back 221 we're just slowly slowly dwindling down with that we've given raises throughout the years trying to keep up equipment I mean tech or axon cons almost a Well, a little bit past a quarter of a million for a five-year contract when we were paying 166. And there's other technology we would love to be able to purchase.

Yeah, sure. Phone phone dumping system. You can't dump phones right now. iPhones on them. There's a great key system be great for that person or right now I see out five months. What do you mean like half a year? We still haven't got it back. And it's been months contract where our flock systems been phenomenal. It's 30,000 here,000 per camera. Yeah. Probably going up all the time.

We have access to all the stuff here. Dodge City's got countless things with those cameras. I don't know what we do without them. No, as far as drug tracking, just more modern technology. Yeah. A camera system that replaces having 30 30 to 50 extra officers out there. You're a lot safer. Yeah.

Buy a new camera. You can't buy a new officer. Well, I don't know what we're going to be able to do.

Assessment, state assessment. Yeah. And you know, the people have pretty much told us they're tired of paying. Yeah. Well, it's got to the point we were enjoying giving money back, but it's getting to the point we're not going to be giving money back, and then it's going to get to the point where we're running out of money, just trying to keep the bill.

You understand? We understand. Yeah. Just like that with all Yeah. Cheers in here. No wonder you full staff or anything?

Yep. Jail's full. Yep. No, no, the jail's out. Yeah, we're full across the board. Yeah, that's right. We had to We had to move some people around. Yeah, we could use a few extras. Just saying. Oh, yeah. Stand there. Yeah, I've got one guy I'm killing because he's running back and forth from running phones to check and jail.

Yeah, we'll see where this goes. We'll do the best we can because we understand appreciate renewing hell. Just we're slowly bleeding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's still better though. I mean, even on what you're giving back when I started it was What was that first year, Jimmy? You're over 300 and some thousand. Oh, it was not 300,000. 200 some thousand. I'd have to see the numbers. Yeah, I think that's what it was. I mean, it was brutal. Warning, huh? It did come with a warning. Yeah. Well, I mean, I said, I'm going to stay there. Get a balance. I mean, that's the main moon.

Yeah. And but you can see that on the sheet you gave us on on the same way for us, too. Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's how much cash we're spending getting higher and it's getting up. Oh, yeah. It's that's the problem with with the counties compared to cities. We were talking earlier, but you don't have a lot of other revenue sources. That's the problem. You know, like a city will have like the city of Pratt has electric fund and if they

and sewer, but electric fund, sewer and water sometimes, you know, eat up a little bit, but electric if you run the rate right, you you can make a lot of money there and you don't have to be as dependent on the the taxpayer. County doesn't have those. Yeah. I I'm doing Sumar County this year. That's the first time. Do you know that? Do you know the sheriff there very well? Not really. No. Yeah. So, he has a I didn't real I you know, each jail is kind of different, but that one's got 185 beds and he only has I think right now he has 89 of them full. And he's generating about two million a year because he he does he went into the federal marshall program.

Yeah. million takes in ice and uh it's it's it's really I I've never worked on that big a jail. I think Lynn County generated about 1.5 million but there's just so many pros and cons to that like Yeah. They come in and run your jail. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Ottawa they Selen County built a new jail and they now they don't even have their jail open now. Yeah. Because they don't have any they I'm not even going to ask for a new jail. Well, no. I'm just I'm just I'm just saying all the different the each county is just so different, you know, in the way the and I go to Comanche. They don't even have a jail, you know, or bar I don't think Barbara does either. Bring them up here.

Well, here's a little bit of pre-warning. We were recently visited by our uh our friends at the state of Kansas Fire Marshall's office. And um Oh, goodness. Um, good, bad, too. I can tell you they brought up stuff that I have never seen them care about for the last 28 years that I've been there. And we are going to be spending thousands running wire and conduit and all kinds of stuff in that building. New guy. Oh, yeah. Is that is that accounted for in your proposed budget? No. They don't work with you and let you know how bad they're going to come in there and threaten to find you. They just show up and say you're going to spend this.

Well, I mean, the reason why I ask is if we need to plan for it. You're aware of it. We need to plan for it. We'll just Yeah, we'll have to uh that's got to be fixed like now. Yep. So, we'll be just uh we'll be spending it probably something else. We'll have to see what happens. A little irritated. It was a I would say flat ridiculous. Let her ear. We had one not six months ago. That's fine. In this case, goodness. Yeah, it all depends on who it is. If it's some new guy making a name, hang on. Don't read stuff that's really not meant to be in the statutes.

Just totally confusing to me. What matters is six months ago doesn't matter. Wow. Yeah, we've had that here and they still been a bunch of stuff. Yeah, we still had an old breaker box in there. We're getting rid of it now, but they didn't gig us on that, but they gigged us on the other breaker boxes. This thing's this big. Oh, we're going to have to go through the whole building and and measure our fire extinguishers. Height, how height they are. Yeah, between three and a half, four feet. I'm not sure. Well, now we got gigged on here. It was the date wasn't on there, right? Yeah. Nobody was checking.

Yep. We got gigged on that over there, but sure. We didn't have Oh, the list. The list that had been checked. Yep. We did our fire drill this morning, though. Well, is that on purpose or? No. Salt was on the list, so we did one. That's why we seen everybody running out. Oh goodness. Well, if you don't have any more questions, I don't think so. Oh, you filled it in. He did. He filled it. Yeah, I just fixed some form. Oh, okay. I made a whole bunch. Okay. Yeah.

Perfect. She's been really busy. And I mean like really busy. So, she didn't get those out to give you guys about time. So, now she's trying to make up for it. You should probably fall asleep at six o'clock tonight. Running around. Well, I was out of town last week because Lauren was like, "Hey, could we do this?" And it was Tuesday and I was out of town for the rest of the week. So, I didn't get it whipped out. I worked this weekend. So, I know. I notic my emails got an automatic response to your office that's got answers. Even when you got it down, she's

Yeah. I know she when she was definitely sick, she'd send me an email. Get the chit down. You're home sick. Yeah, you're behind the whole time. Well, see that's everyone's like, it'll it'll be there when you get back. Don't worry about it. I'm like, yeah, that's the problem. It'll it'll be there still. Well, we'll do what we can. Good luck. The community is really and I understand. No, I do too. I'm part of that community. Yes. Last time I went to Del Walmart about threw up. Yeah.

Well, property tax. That's where we get Oh, yeah. But last time I paid that up, too. I know. We got to balance that and the service that we provide. Yep. did have a gentleman in here the other day that thought we needed to provide more service for the sheriff's department. Robin P. Robin P.

Oh, I'll take three extra patrollers and Yeah, there's only so much you can do. 720 square miles. That's pretty big. Yeah. It never fails. You're clear down here and the call's clear if you get the call in the right location. True. All righty, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. Do our best.

Oh, I know. Thank you, gentlemen. Y There you great. Fantastic.

I'll get my fingers to work. I think I just called your number. Yeah, I gave you early. So if something happened, I didn't make it. Let me print this off. What we That was late yesterday. We wean cows on a Sunday and Monday was not good.

You want to do one more? I gave Oh, I give you one pass. Here. She'll make No problem. I didn't make enough copies, did I? No problem. Well, I do have yours upstairs. Yeah. So personnel went up a little bit. Um then everything else pretty well stayed the same. I went ahead and worked a 3% coal in there. Really got to get people to put on that. Okay. I didn't know what you wanted, so I did. Yeah. No, we've always don't put it in there. Nobody puts it in there. I can stick that in the next time. I think

because he goes through and puts whatever we decide in the So that is plug three. Yes. The total is going to be plus the 3%. But if you got it separate, but I separated it out what I did. I didn't put it in my salary personnel line. Gotcha. So, so with 30% that's 14,000 more. Yeah, I believe. Yeah. 1450 something like that. That's where I plugged your numbers in at on our sheets. Oh, this whole sheets mine. Yeah.

Yeah. Tops budgets action. Yep. And that very right is your your numbers. I just want to be correct. That 364 includes the 3%. Correct. And I can take it back down. Yeah. The 78 24. It would Yeah, it would include it going down. Yeah. the 364. Okay, that's what some put it in, some didn't. A lot of them did. But what I noticed with my last year's budget, what I changed was we have Gayla in there working part-time.

And if I would leave when I retire, we're probably going to have to have a full-time person in there. So, I thought I better cover that for 2027. you can't leave for another four or five years. Yeah, I've given up on the telling him he can't leave. I think it might happen anyway. He's been gently telling me I've been hearing it for like four years or five. Try to get everybody planned. Is there a date or a year or I don't know. Well, the sooner the better. Sooner the better for us. for us. Yeah. Get out of here. We don't want you. No.

That's what I come up with. When you decide to retire, we do have Diana as somebody and Gayla and Gayla has her RMA. So, they both can be do it. So there'll be somebody in house to be able to okay move up if you want to move if that's what you want to do. It' be the hiring the other full-time person to pick somebody

I'm plugging these in for just sending you guys. Do you want me to take everyone's personel line back down to what it was and then the rest if they ask go ahead and put that in but keep personel the same? It's not the same. Yes, I can do that. That' be awesome. got any questions for him, Scott? No, I don't think so. He's He always has his in pretty good shape. Thank you.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, sir. Sorry for making you come today. Oh, that's fine. Cow's worn out. That's okay. Thank you. Yeah, take care of you guys. Okay.

Stole a donut. She's not coming back in, I guess. Oh, there she Oh, there she is. There she is. Maybe you just come down to steal a donut. You're not going to show up on your time. Hope anyway. Whenever you're ready, let me know. Oh, you're right. I'm up. Okay.

I brought T you can call her Tish Tasha down with me because the plan is to retire in June of next year. So, she I kind of teased her. I said, "I I'll have half of your budget and you get the other half." So, me see what happens. So, this is Scott Lloyd. Not that I know. This is Scott Lloyd, our accountant. Nice to meet you. You that's not being approved by us for you to retire. Oh, no. I know. My We require 10 years advance. I better put my retirement date. You better put your date in. So anyway, um plug numbers in.

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I plug numbers in. That's fine. That's your always have it been that way. We We are just kind of that way. Personality. We are needing extra copy. Well, we can share. Thank you. I should have made one more, but

that's okay. Um I requested last year to increase commodities and contractual and it was not done which is fine but I have done it again this year. Um I put the 3% in for the salaries. Um we have ordered eight books this year which should last all year but approximately think that's going to be about $2,500. Um, we go through the record linen paper and now we got four reams and took us what, three months to use it and it was around $750.

So, the cost of all this is going up, but I still want to keep hard copies because I think it's important to have that. I mean, they're scanned in, you know, and we're online, but I like that you can still pull the book just in case the image isn't there and all that happens. So that's what I'm anticipating increases in those two things along with postage because postage has gone up twice since the last budget. So start training them pigeons out there to be your neighbor. I know they'd be quicker. I know. Tie a little tie a little ribbon around there.

Haven't got that yet. My nailed it two weeks ago. I'll be an hour away. And also in contractual I figure um in like our meetings you know with the mileage the hotel and that well in 25 our uh regist register of deed seminar was in Witchah and KAC was in Witchah. Our district meetings were St. John and um Reno County. So that's about as close as you're going to get when we do well this June I'm going to Colby. So, which adds an extra day just because it's a long ways.

So, that's a thousand bucks that's not shown up on this year's just before you do anything. Um, next year will be Pittsburgh about the same. So, we have the six districts, but I really like it because they switch. So, we we get to visit all parts of the state, which is really fun. um district meetings are lacrosse and Lions this year which is just a little bit farther but anyway again price of gas I'm assuming our mileage will go up too so that's why I asked what I asked for well it makes sense if you look at the actual on your sheet here

contract and commodities they've all they've both been well 25 they were over and 24 they were one was over well no both of them were over both of them yeah so They've been over for the last two years. Yeah. Right. And you know, the only saving grace in the overall budget was the fact that Chris retired. I worked by myself for a while and then she came on board. Um, just a heads up. I'm hoping I would really like to post the job interview for someone to come work like after the first of the year and maybe get someone in there for a few months before I retire

for training. for training and so just I didn't really factor that in but um I just feel like I've personally been able to be here most of the time but you know she has appointments she has things she has children at home she has you know things going on that you know I think you should be okay though if you look at the actual compared to budget right like here you have 97 and 25 and you still had 115 there Right. I mean, you should have enough to And there. Well, one last question. You put in the 3% in in that line. Is that right? Okay. Yes. Yeah.

Just roughly to see what where it would be overall. So, what we usually do is we we always keep it flat until we get everything else done. Yeah. Okay. I know. I asked because that's kind of what it's always I'm never quite sure which way I'm supposed to do. I've done it both ways, too. I put I can I think just to make it easy for them, I'll go back and put all the personnel back to flat to submit to them and then they can decide what they want. But I'll keep the rest the way you want. You're retiring next year. Well, you're an elected official. How does that work? How the Republican part is going to have to come in? Well, I'm a Democrat. So, or Democrats. Yeah. No, I'm don't I had to

That's how it works. That's how it works. I switched when Vera Compton retired all those years ago in 2000 because I even though I've been in the office 16 years, I can't get appointed if I'm not the same party. And that's still how statute reads now. Okay. So, to me, it's a little archaic, but it is what it is. So, she's going to be on board and I feel like that gives her a little advantage. Um, if I work the first two years of my term, then she doesn't have to run this um governor's race year. So if I go past that and then she'll run again with the presidential year or not again first time then you can switch back to the Republican. Yeah. There you go. Okay. No, you can't once you're elected. You can't. We've checked into it.

Really? Because you were elected as this and you're like you were elected to represent this party. And so then if you if you switch I'd be out of a job. So how the feds do it then? because it's probably not federal law may be different than the Kansas statutes. Yeah.

So, so with that, I would write a letter saying, "I'm going to retire, submit it to the Democratic Party, and then she would write a letter to them requesting they consider her for appointment." Um, and I'm going to write a letter for her for them to consider her for appointment. She's done really, really well. Um, she's caught on right away. You know, when you think about it, people don't know legal descriptions unless you work with them. And she just picked right up on that. She's very conscientious. She's very detailed and she likes my linen papers. So, also I had a great teacher. Oh,

so but yes, and and I felt like that's to her advantage and I'll be 67 and I can draw my social security and no boy just Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate it. But I'll be around. You know, if she has questions, I don't mind. So, you're going to have to build up your holiday decorating stock. I'm not going to take all of it. Chris took quite a bit with her. So, so anyway, yeah, we like to decorate. All right. Okay. Where'd you guys put the clock? Behind you. Behind you. I'm like, am I over time? I know.

Who's the weird W registered eat in there with her head swiveling? What's going on? So, any other questions? I mean, I feel like it's pretty simple. Our our expenses aren't that much many different things. It's just everything's gone up in price, especially since co I mean, it's just been crazy. Probably gonna get a lot worse here soon. Yeah, it's gonna get a lot. All right. Well, appreciate your time. Thank you.

We just skip these two. Yeah. You wish. So, I'm uh trying to get ready for my retirement as well. Medicare. Yeah. You haven't been here a long time. Retire think about that. Yeah. 10 years. No. Um I'm going to do the zoning first. Well, of course you not know. Well, is it okay if I do zoning first? Communications is that other department that I could not separate personnel. Oh, down the bottom. Yeah.

Um yeah, like the personnel like on the actual that's not really correct personnel, but going forward will be about communications. We're doing zone. That one should be short and sweet. Um should be it's just nothing's changed with that unless we need to get us into a legal legal. Yes. Well, then the lawyer fees will come out of his budget. Yeah. I just think that's just not fair.

Cut and dry there. Looks like Yeah, it is. The only thing that would possibly change is if when we get into the conversation on the other um as far as the flip and goes. Um if we needed to up that some to help with the EM side of things. Um I've got concerns now about um when we get into the EM stuff with the communications, but other than that, Oh, watch. You said you had the funding. You know how that was?

I do have a question on I was just looking to refresh my memory here on planning and zoning on page 8A in the general fund. There it was 1724 and then why do you know why we jumped this too much? 12,06. You would have started what year you would have started on this? Uh 23. 23 would have been my first budget year. Was it something to do when the we separated all this out? Well, the communications the contractual is that the lawyers? No, it's printing all this stuff off. It's Oh, it's the mailings.

mailings and and help me out here. Come on. Well, mailings, the stamps, the the either either way it's been there's more been more hearings. There'll be more hired outside counsel. It certainly needs to be where it's at. So, no, I I was just curious. Yeah, that's why it jumped up because I couldn't remember all the extras. Couldn't remember. Perfect. all the extra stuff. Yeah. And that was probably Yeah. A bunch for the solar farm. Yeah, there was a bunch for solar. Yeah.

And I don't think it's changed much since I've had it. I think it's I think it was close to this when I first started. Um looks like it has been. I think this is whatever Tim put together years ago was probably seeing history there. Oh, okay. I got this done that week this weekend. That's why you don't have that. I'll plug your numbers into these. Okay. And then next year you guys will will have and I can give you copies of these if you want. See? Okay. Basically stayed the same. Yeah, they really did. Yeah, it was up in 23 for a little bit and then it went down and then up and then

So, yeah. You want to talk today? Sure. Good charging for so it didn't go out of your budget. Yeah, that extra just charge it just charge it to the planning and zoning. That way it's pay for itself. I think all of the uh uh we have that contract with the Century on that machine. So every everything gets charged out every month as far as what paper we used and then they send in the increases and all that. So that's kind of adds up.

Other than that it's pretty much the same. Yeah. So um see if Peggy wants to come up here too. Nick. Yeah, that's Peggy.

It took me entirely too long to figure out why you were calling it leg. Yeah. I was like, why?

Yeah. So, the way I put it together was um after I talked to Scott um about possibility of just combining the two budgets together. So, I kind of I did it separate, but then I also added it there towards the bottom. Um you see the commodities and the personal pay for the um communications is at the bottom too. Well, not the very bottom too, but down towards we're at the bottom. Um and then the so at the very bottom it shows to be um 282896. My EM budget right now is 203143 and that's what we had for 26 and and I had jumped it out to 218 143 trying to cover up um some personal pay there. But if we combined the two that would relieve some of the stress too on the personal pay because shaven started beginning or beginning of July and um it pretty much ate a lot of just the em budget not communications budgeted as good as far as personal pay go but on my side of it it ate a lot more than thought. So that was

what's that? Well, because on communications with personal services is at 62,000. Yeah. So half of his budget or half of his salary comes out of EP and half of it comes out of communications. And so um the communications budget was marked for 62367. So half of that well not half of that number but half of his salary would come out of If you combine them, there's no sense in adding the correct 18. Boy, adding 15,000 or 16 or whatever it is you threw out. 15.

I think it's 15. I threw an extra 15 into the EP budget. I mean, you can do it one of two ways. We could just go ahead and slip split it back out and communications takes for 100% of him and I I have just EP or we combined them or because let's back up. Let's go back to communication. So really all you're paying for your salary, fuel and gas, and some insurance on your pickup. Correct. Yeah. this year's been wear and tear on that truck and I mean different things. But um

so that's where the 2386 comes in. Yeah. The other the other piece to that is, you know, if we have a project and I have to buy 500 foot coax or but I only need 400, but I got to buy 500 feet. You know, what do I do with that extra 100 feet? Do I charge it to whatever? You know, you understand what I'm saying? I know there's always there's always some there's some trickiness there to gets filled to the Yeah. But do I just eat the other 100 foot or can I use it on the next project and how do I fill you know how how does my budget get reimbured? Yeah.

For that. That's that's kind of been a a tricky part for me to try to figure out. So you're you're buying it you're buying the 500 foot and getting reimbursed for 400 foot from some example from another department. So let's say it's EMS's tire that needs a new coax. Yeah. Yeah. So but it only needs 400 ft. Yeah. So he I got to buy 500. You got to buy and and we haven't ran into a situation that big yet. Most most of the time it's fittings, you know, three or$4 dollar fittings, which I've got, but then how do I get reimbursed? It's called budget credit, but I don't know if we want to get that complicated between between two departments.

Yeah. So, what we've been doing is like if he charges it on a card or, you know, they just Yeah. we just pay out of that line item. Yeah. Whoever wants. And like if it's uh if it's for something for ESO or something, it gets charged to them. Yeah. So it doesn't go out of his budget. His card might have paid for it, but it goes out of their budget. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We just mark whatever it is on the receipt and turn it in. So if if I've got what they need in my stock, I just order new and charge them new. But I'm going to get into a situation where I don't have

like, you know, I don't have a lot of cable, you know, I don't have that. So, I'm just trying to look forward to how might that look. And I'd put a BJ climb 400 feet. Yeah. Who do you think's gonna climb it? Got like combat pay. It should be. I ain't nothing rent to me is not out of It's out of 911 funds. Yeah. Yeah. So, that 500 is on here. I marked it off yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. The the tower rent gets paid out of 91. Yeah. Yeah. What do you need a salamander for?

I like salamanders. That's all of our badging. All of our badging stuff. I think salamanders are cool. No wonder we can't get work done. He's in there playing with the salamanders all day. Yeah. Man, I'm thinking about retiring. I mean, that's a Scott question about combining them. I don't have a problem with it. I mean, they they break it down pretty good. My only It really doesn't matter. I mean, they're both in the general fund, both emergency management and the communication general fund. So, it's not like it really

I mean, and I like it. I like see it was a forehand. Well, when Mark, weren't you combining that, too? I declined to answer. I don't he was he was it wasn't even a departmental. It was all miscellaneous together miscellaneous. Okay. I did pull them out in general. the week would start. Um, but on another option would be instead of the 50/50 to get some lead for not even this year if you are running close because I haven't seen if you're running close on that personal is changing it from 50/50 to a 100 like Yeah. Or it could be 100 or it could be 75 25. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it it could be whatever just to

move the numbers around. Yeah. Yeah. money. It's all and it's all in general, but just to make those line items look a little bit better. It makes our budgets look better on paper as far as what we're doing. But that's like, you know, well, and if you need that personnel extra for contractual, like if your contractual is running over Well, see, we normally give back, you know, 25 to $30,000. We don't that we don't spend, but when we have that big disaster, we're not going to be able to give that back. We're going to need it.

Yeah. Um, but that's like, you know, I got my KCM. You know, I came in wanting to do a raise and there's not really any way to do that right now. And, um, and I get that, but, you know, that's kind of what we're trying to do is make it to where I could get that raise down the road if I could, you know. So, that's just kind of because I did work my butt off for that, you know. Yeah. But you've got a wall full that shows that.

I do. And proud of that wall. But um but no, it's um I get everything's tight, but we're just trying to make it where it's not so cuz right now I'm running both budgets and we're trying to figure out, you know, what's going to make sense, you know, on paper to where it don't look like we're failing. Yeah, that's that's I know the money's there, but it's just where it's placed. And if we have that big disaster, then our budget's going to be messed up anyway. But that's why we have that kind of cushion, you know, that we've had in the past. But I normally give that money back.

And that what you're really saying like if you looked on your this emergency management, if you look at 25 and 25, you have about a about what is that $25,000 $24,000 difference. And that's what you're saying. Yeah. And then when you have the big big problem, I mean, when you have the big emergency management, that's going to eat that up. Yeah. But every year you have about looks like about 20 25 25,000. There was one year I put some back in special equipment when we were starting to think about the Tahoe and stuff like that. But

other than that, I normally just give it back what we don't use. But if we have that one disaster, then Doug might not get a greater that year. You know, something you might think about what we talked about this morning since it is manage uh emergency management and risk management is whatever his difference is if he doesn't need it in special equipment, he could take that difference and put it in risk management and put as a line item for, you know, disaster the disaster or

uh in McFersonen uh the mayor he just he just retired for 16 years. He worked for Farmers Alliance as insurance and so he worked over those 16 years he built up a line item of 3.2 million in the general fund for those types of things because he was from the insurance side and he did that. It's that's how he managed his cash that unencumbered cash we're looking at. That's how he manages and kept it that way. Management. Yeah. So if we do that risk management thing instead of putting it back in a general fund, we're not building up cash or does it count as cash?

Yeah. So like if you talk to the bond people, those three that we have, capital improvement, equipment reserve, and and supposedly if we did do risk management, those are all statutes where statutory where you can transfer back to general funds. So like Rice County, so they counted as cash. Yeah. to Rice County. I was on with Moody to spend a few years back and they only had like 12,000 or at the end of the year they had like maybe $20,000 in their general fund, but they had four million in their capital improvement fund. And so Moody's counted that because of the statute, they didn't know that, but the statute allows you to transfer back. So they Oh, okay.

So on our ratings call, similar to when we when Laura and I sat in here and answered questions on ratings, we had to go through this exact thing. Now, it wasn't related to risk management, but it's related to capital improvement, special equipment, but it does allow the trans. We keep taking our leftover cash and put it in in this risk fund, which is fine as long as it's still counted. Yeah. As cash because we're trying to build our cash up. Yeah. And I don't want us have a whole new item or funding. Yeah. And it's not counted. The only reason I was thinking about this one because it is risk related. Yeah. emergency management is risk related. I thought, well, maybe that's a way you

start working with him. I can see what he did to you. You're gonna get it later. Other foot. Yeah. Just next time you'll see me be on a wheelchair. No, you you do a good job. I give you a hard time. He knows I do. I That's just a There's not say, dude. I just That's just something I thought of because it's risk related. Yeah. I I just I just want to make sure we're not depleting on the cash. Yep. More than what we have to.

That was yesterday evening. Yeah. Had to be a dust devil. Had to be. I got a video of it, too, but he hadn't sent to me. But, uh, he called me. Land spout. Yeah, dust devil. We had a couple land spouts that popped through and there was a couple calls that came in to dispatch. There was tornado on the ground and I was like, man, last night there tornado out by you. There's nothing on the radar. It just spun up and just a big glorified. There was nothing there when I went out. It looks really impressive. What uh your pickup got held on? Well done.

I mean, I don't know. Uh yeah. 140 150. Oh, yeah. It's It's hammered. Good. Insurance probably good. Yeah. Yeah. Um, just letting everybody who comes in know. Yeah, mine was inside. Moved all the fire trucks out. Yeah, I moved the fire trucks out so I can put mine inside. It's It was safe. Didn't say anything about it. The new rescue truck was moved set outside.

There you want to make sure the Tahoe was safe and sound and we're good. So really, we can keep it the same and just combine them, you know, there. That's my thought. I don't know what Scott's thinking. So you're you're you're wanting to put the put the emergency preparedness and communications together. What you're saying, I think too. Yeah.

I just made a department. Well, I just have to go in and change the salary and our Yeah, I mean it's not this is CIC. So, you're by having it separate, you have to pull out of two funds. Is that right? Half of his is Yeah. Half communications and half as far as trade rule goes. I have it set up to where it's pulling 50% of each. So, and if we made it one, then we could just have one place to pull. Yeah. I mean, it's automatic. I just would have just go in there and change it back and then we would like end date the communications department um and pull it over with and then just set it all up this evening.

It it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't m it's in the both are in the general fund. So it's how we're I think it's however it best reports. The only time that they would get shown in my mind where it was final is in the audit report in the general fund right now. Let's just say you were over which one was over communications was over emergency or it could be over. So the personal pay on the personal pay so on the line item in the general fund you'd have emergency preparedness and communications and it would just show that his line items were over in the audit report. If you put them together, then that budget would all go to those line items, and you shouldn't be over in any line item. Is that what you're

Well, yeah, but this year, we're not going to change it for next year. No, it' be 27. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. You want me to go change the percentage? Yeah, you could do that. I just watch it and Yeah. Yeah. We We can move. And that's it's very common in cities to do those change those percentages during the year for streets, sewer, water, electric because that's how they balance their personnel services. They do it by percentage. So you could do the same thing. You could do the same thing based on that. I mean it doesn't matter to me or whatever. S I just actually be it probably it doesn't bother me either way. Probably for her office is how what's the easiest Yeah. What's easiest for you?

I'm happy to do it however you guys want to do it. You want to do what you Look at that. Yeah. I mean, I think I I truly it's going to I mean, if we wanted to change it back to just combined I mean it's it doesn't take much time. Yeah. So, um I'm I'm happy to do that. It's

is there the only other question I guess is there any reason for like grant purposes or anything like that that you would need to show the cost of the communication department or the emergency preparedness department. I mean that's that's the only diff difference is tracking that if if you ever had a grant you could say now you could say communications cost us this much if you combine I mean you could break it out. Well we can itemize it anyway. Yeah. you know, like on when I do my spreadsheets on Excel. Yeah. Basically, I would have everything that was communications. We could have it another Yeah. another page and just run the budget that way even though it's still it's still that's what I'm basically doing now. It's just um

it's just two separate budgets. I mean, I'll keep doing it the way I'm doing it now. I'll just turn into it. Didn't bother. It doesn't matter me. you would be able to break it down, but like if we combined on my side, I like if we just wouldn't be able to print any reports like itemizing itemizing. Let's just leave it then and and we can either change the percentage if it looks like it's going to be, you know, when you did this, you said you're fine. I don't know change.

Well, well, I don't know. I was thinking um I guess I was seeing the numbers on the communications budget as far as because there's room on that for his salary. He could pay all of his salary out of that one and um and it's then it is fine. But where my work is he doing? It's about 50/50. I mean it really is. There's there's days that he doesn't do anything for EM and he's doing everything communications, but then there's days that I've got him busy doing things. So, it's just a day-to-day thing. You just never know. But, it just kind of goes with um at at first he did a lot of EM stuff for his training wise

training. And then um he finally got some software and started doing a bunch of training with communication stuff. And there's times that he's pretty hooked up doing that. But when he's not hooked up with uh you know with me then he's got other things he's got going on. So just kind of it kind of washes both ways. Kind of the demand of the day. Yeah. But whatever's going on that day. Well, let's just watch it and we can always either change it or move it

because as far as I mean I I don't know. I guess stormy season there was a lot of overtime last year and if you look at um just the um normal numbers there probably wasn't an issue. But when you go over on overtime, you know, that that changes things a lot. And let's just keep an eye on it. And like I say, there's there's plenty in his if we need to move some. And that was my main thing is just I knew there was plenty in that one to be able to cush out to make it make sense. As far as the if you get close before yours runs out,

we can just take the rest of Changing the percentages takes 30 seconds. Do what? Changing the percentages takes like for this year takes like 30 seconds. It's not worked. Yeah. I was kind of shocked at the end of the year when we seen where we were at as far as how close we were on the gap as far as my personal pay goes from just July for him to just a year. I was a little bit shocked, but we did have a lot of overtime. A lot of overtime.

Really, it's not hard to combine them either. So, whatever you guys decide is I'm happy to. Okay. I would probably leave them saying I'm I'm just telling you point blank. I'd probably leave them the way they are and just change percentage if you need to change percentage for for consistency purposes of communicating because we got it that way. Yeah. And it keeps it nice and broke out. Yeah. Did I go over on personal pay last year? Well, I'm trying to get into my computer, but it's locked up. I know it was getting close. I don't know if we Well, last year you Let's look here in communication or in um EP. Oh, let's look here. 425. Uh you did you were two about 2,000 over 20 right here. See 95 is budget.

Oh yeah. 97 is what you were at, but you were still like 20ome,000. But you were way under really the bottom line is all that matters. And really since you're in the general, it's not like we're going to get dinged for it, but like overall you were still Yeah. Yeah. Just that line item and and the line items while it's good just to get an idea of where things are going, it's not the end all beall. It's just that bottom amount. So I shouldn't freak out when I see that getting that close. No. Okay. I mean, as long as you have it in the overall, you know, budget, you're

because I knew I was good everywhere else. I was just scared on that one. So it's not technically a budget violation. State of Kansas. The only thing it would be is it's the line items are are different from what they approved as a commission. Sure. So it's not like it's violating anything except that what they said. But but that's flexibility. You know, that's what's nice about See, some states have a line item budget they call it. And so if you went over in that line, you would you would violate that one line under like I don't know Oklahoma or Missouri that way. put you in the gallows about the courthouse. Well, because when I'm doing the budget, I mean, I I try to stay really tight on everything as possible when it comes to I don't want to go over.

Yeah, sure. And so when I see that, I'm like, "Oh, man. I'm getting I guess uh I might take a month off." When you say that 20,000 is probably the overtime. I mean, what do you know? What you know how much? A lot more than 2,000. Yeah. So, see that's that was un unanticipated. It's probably not going to happen every year. Yeah. Some years we're not going to have the storms. Last year was a stormy year. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of late nights and early mornings and Sure. Absolutely.

It looks like you're doing a good job. And if I if we have those stormy times, I you know, it's hard to take a day or two off during the week, especially when you try to do that and then something happens and you're back at work anyway. Or you take off and your phone's ringing all day long anyway, you might as well been going to work. I'd say like if you got to the point like let's just say you had a situation like that where it went for couple three weeks in the spring or something, then you could kind of look at history and then just say, well, maybe we come to commission and say maybe we need to switch it from 50/50 to 6040. Mhm. Yeah. I mean, just if you wanted to keep the line on. Okay. I just try to make it look good here. Sure. So that it's just so what I'm doing looks like I'm doing right instead of, you know,

you are doing right. It's you're not doing anything wrong. It's there. It's got Yeah, you got it. I don't know what the cost's going to be when he goes to the wheelchair, but other than that, talk about insurance up. Sure. Now we got to buy a vehicle with Olympia. Yeah. One of Teras. No, you do. Great. I'm It's great. I don't have any problem. Yeah. Okay. Hey, you guys. Okay. Thank you. I got to make him walk back. Yeah. I gonna carry him. Thank you guys. Thank you.

You didn't pull up the door and let him out the door. Thank you. I need a knee replacement. Did you guys eat all the food yesterday? So, I was going to say that's We had a great lunch today. Fried steak and mashed ters and take those donuts out. Oh, yeah. I can for them. I'm not going to eat them. Take them to the EMS. Take them out to Yeah, you can. I can do that. Yeah, they'll like that. Well, you probably ate all the cookies. Well, someone had someone ate half of this one. I ate. That was me. Nicolated. He eats everything. He was in his stuff yesterday.

Oh man. Yeah. In the middle of the meeting. He's walking off all those cookies. Take cookies and leave. Well, thanks guys. Y We got time to do any of the courthouse or stuff yet? Should we just wait? Yeah, we can do that. County commission. Well, we did a county commission.

Yes. Well, we pulled it out for Yeah. And then in talked about so courthouse and commission is what we talk about. Yep. And I just left everything the same. Okay. Although I I worry about this courthouse. Don't we all? Yeah. So I just And but on most the the courthouse well shouldn't say most but a lot of the courthouse related things capital improvement can pay for that. Why we have capital? Yep. I I guess my think my worry was just um like repair stuff like calling in green. We just had a lot of leaks and and whatnot this year, but I think I still think we're good. I left it all the same and

you're actually in a very good I mean Pratt County compared to being five other counties some but your your position with the capital improvement equipment reserve is is very you're in very good shape. Well, see that really is cash for general. If you need operator, you can come back and even like the questions of repairs. If you needed it, you could come out of that also. Yeah. Well, we paid that building off 27 next year. I think 27 this year. No, it's 27. So then at that point is that the 2011?

Yes. No. Oh, you mean the building out? Yes. So once that happens, we'll get the money we get from Lan Farm. Yeah. Yeah. And then we can use it for one time purchases or something if something happens. Yeah. That that one there alone is like sand pit. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That that's about 500,000. So you're that payment on that one. So yeah, that's like what did that be? Three, four, four mills and 180 180. That's gone. Two additional payments.

It's going to be almost 2 million that's coming in. Yeah. So it'll start building significantly at that point. Yeah. They just picking up the solar farm and this year and the batters to win this will be done if they stay on their schedule by middle of next year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you'll be totally out of debt after 27 looks like. See?

Well, we got the hospital bonds. Well, yeah, but I mean you're sales. You're a person that's kind of breaking itself. So, but these are all these are all done then. Yep. I already plugged all the numbers in. I just kept everything. I did on the commission one. Um I did just plug in that 15 because you said go ahead and give Nancy the 15 on that one on that new one I printed out. Um and then I figured you guys could talk amongst yourselves and then I'll just fill in what you I think our personal services should be all right because that's where we put

or did we put it in contractual that 25,000 I mean that's a onetime deal. Yeah, I don't remember which one it was. I know it was in I think we put it in contractual because personal services I was wondering let's probably set it down beside you. Well, I know they're gonna come back. They're really nice. They're my favorite. I noticed that. I'm hoping they're gonna get They're my favorite kind. I like them. If you want some, I'll get you some.

Well, I haven't heard anything from anybody or even what the other canies have been. Well, some of them are giving 25,000 a year and but it's getting to the point where they need to do something. Yeah, they're not going to get hang without support. They might move the ball a little, but yeah, not be ultimate resolution without, you know, they got a program now where we're getting some of them shut off

and then they're pumping water into that reservoir and they seemed happy about it. So, I don't know if that's the case, but the state needs to kick some in here. If not, we mismanaged it. Both the state and the feds. I don't know. I think we're doing pretty good. I haven't been on the city for a couple this my second year. Haven't Have you Have they got anything moved forward on the nitrate problem here?

We're trying to get money for a pipeline to hook into. We bought some property and they're going to drill well out there and then it's going to be and they'll be blend. They'll blend it with the rest of the wells. I don't know if they'll blend it. I think they're shutting some of them down. Shutting them down. Yeah, that was a chunk of change. I think it's like 60 million they were going to for a blind plant. They're proposing the half to 1% sales tax to help cover that property tax 25% or 50%.

Jason's here. Okay. for this alone commissioners don't do you want to just leave it the same well except for thousand for but all the other line items go ahead and just I think we're okay okay hello there I was just out there sitting waiting for my time sorry I didn't know you guys were ready all right where do you guys want us courthouse we're leaving it the same right I think so if you guys are good with that I'm good with that same commission. Okay, I'll go all those numbers and next on my sheet is recycling.

Perfect. I got out here. So, this is what I have. I don't know if this is the way you guys were wanting to do this or seem to change a little bit. I filled out something. Do you have one of these, Scott? No problem. Tom needs one also. Oh, these where is recycling? Recycling's in the general fund on page 8A down about twothirds of the way. I was just figured out, huh? You got that?

Well, I have to I have to refresh my memory because I haven't been doing it for about six months, eight months by the end of the budget season. That's the only only change I had was just the 3%. So that So you put the 3% on I put the 3% up top there. We're telling everybody not to do that. He goes back whatever. Okay. The only reason we do it is so that we can get all the other things and then we can figure out Yeah. figure out what percentage would work across the Okay. All right. It's it's no problem. I mean,

but other than that, I don't see any changes really need to be made. I mean, I know everything is up on every avenue, but we also we're kind of heavy here anyways on the budget. So, I don't see any changes that I really need to make asking for more money for sure. We've got Carl that's making less money than what Jeremy did. So, that kind of frees up Carl's great, but uh on that side, that's the only thing that I really seen that you're willing to do. I mean, we're still on contract with HHW prices, so that's not going to change any. How much fuel do we use?

Not very much. A little bit of diesel for the the cardboard route truck, and then we use propane for the Yeah. And it's we're not not like we're going through a ton. And quite honestly, everything's bailed and shipped right now, so we should be on the slow on that side. Okay. How is it recycling? Is it still really bad? Well, it's it's always not the best. I wish that wish products would have been made to recycle. I don't think they were. I put my blue out every minute. Yeah. I mean, every Wednesday morning. Yeah. Put my blue one out. I wish I wish we had that. Beautiful. All right. So, we're good on recycle then. Yes.

All right. You want to I didn't make enough copies, so you might want to do one of those. Yep. and then she'll get you a copy, sir. All right. So, wait for you. There you go. assisted there.

Do that in front of the county attorney. Well, I did not hear any of that. I don't know if I wanted to.

All right. So, we'll start at the top here. Personal services. You know me, I'm always gonna bump up to try to get everybody just a little bit more money. Um, we've got I did 10% which is probably way over than what we'll probably see, but I like to be safe. Uh, in 2025 we were over 616% which isn't very much, $327 or something on the the payroll. So, I want to make sure that we're not in that spot again. Uh, I don't know if you guys look down upon that, but I do for myself. I don't like looking like that. Uh, commodities. Uh, I mean, let's just be honest with you guys. Fuel's way up, parts are way up, everything's way up. So, I want to make sure that we're not over like we were in 2025. We're 11.69% over. And like I said before, not a big fan of that. First time ever I've been over on anything. Now, I'm gonna throw this out there, and I don't mean to interrupt you.

You're fine. If you're over on these, are we charging it? Uh, on our on our I don't think that it has anything to do with charging enough. I just think that not I just think that if if I I know that I asked for more than what we received on this section on these two sections and we did not receive them after the end of the budget when you guys decided when what we were getting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so if I would have got what was asked for, we probably would have been fine. We asked for we'd have to raise taxes. No, this is a Well, it's on this is on page 17 on this one. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Why

if he's going over he's not getting any tag though? No, it's just going over on these line items. I'm wondering are we charging it? That's what I'm asking. You mean for for landfill fees? Yes. Yes. Oh, yes, we're charging that. Yes. The only I think it's more of an allocation, but just making sure the line items because I I was looking here. You look at 25 and you look commodities is the one you were talking about is it Jason? So if you look at what we budgeted up in 25 we budgeted 945 that's what we left in there you probably had it more than that but if you look what was spent down there it's 105. Mhm.

So maybe it's just a matter of us making sure the line item. Okay. That's what he has to do with taxes. Yeah. We're not we're not he's got he's got like in 26 budget here, he's got 628,000 in unencumbered cash after his expenditures. So for for me I I mean I mean even in contractual you have 167,000 for 2025. Yeah. Spent 66,000. We could maybe change that a little. Yeah, we could. move those. Yeah. Okay, I'm following you now. Yeah. So, that's the reasoning of why I have those up. I mean, commodities is obvious. We're we're crazy prices and then Yeah.

Um contractual services, I see no need to change that in anything. Insurance, that's kind of a question I have is so this the 36502, is that going to stay the same in 2027? Is it going to go up? Is it going to go down? It's going to go up this year once we get the new rate deal. It did go up this year. Okay. And then back on the recycling side of things, I was curious about that one, too, because it's budgeted in there like 19, what was it? 1990. And I have never seen I wasn't I was kind of curious about where that came from

because in the past I'd never had that insurance on as a Right. So, anyone that has insurance, we added last year because things were like insurance was getting raised and then and then it was started raising different like the sheriff's office between all the cars they tore up. Oh, went up more than went up more and everybody was paying for it. So now it comes out of So now you have your own lineup. Okay. Was always coming out of your budget. being paid out of contractual better track it and that way if they're if they come and say, "Hey, like overall you guys are up 10%." We can go to those insurance line items and

instead of having you just eat it in your budget somewhere else because some of the departments it's a pretty good amount that had to eat. Okay. So, I think we decided to pull it out so we could track that. All right. All right. Well, that makes more sense now that and then cash reserve. I mean that that just goes that stays the same until the next year. Yeah. It's just it's just whatever's left. And actually it the state just started doing that here. Oh, probably five years ago. But really your budget authority is this full number here. Yeah. Yeah. The one five. Yeah. So we need some between contractual and commodities. Yeah. Yes. And then the insurance we won't know till all split out.

Till we're all split out. So the bottom line is 1,ion538 versus 1,ion503. Yeah. Yeah. But you have thought we can switch% in there too. Yes. Yeah. This one will be fine. We'll get Yeah, we're good. So the only other question I have I don't know who does this I I didn't ask you yesterday. Uh but when we were talking do you know in the last time do you you make a trans I can't remember. You make a transfer in the reserve every quarter. Every quarter. Every quarter. Yeah. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure. Yep. Every quarter. I'm doing

I'm having this conversation on Thursday when I get back with McFersonary Solid Waste Utility because they do have a landfill, you know, the old landfill out north of town and he was just wanting to revisit, you know, the closure, the monitoring and all that to see if there were and I think that's why we went from 167,000 and crafts to 532. Yeah. Was to help. Oh, there. Yeah, I think that's where we put that. Yeah, we put that. Yeah. Okay. Correct. If I'm I thought that was Capital Outlay is where that that 53 go. So

also I'm pulling these numbers off of what is in our system and what was actually budgeted whenever that cash reserve went into place. It prior to last year it wasn't being tracked in the actual budget. Oh okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So go to page 21 of the budget. This is why I was at reason I'm asking I didn't see the transfer last in 24. We we did it again just till last year. We did that. We done it right. I think this is the second year that we've been doing it went right the transfer.

So if you look on page 21, the second line or second column, it says landfield closure cost. That's what we're talking about. Yes, sir. So we start with 500,000 in the first up there in cash, but there's only fees and contractual. That's why I was trying to figure out it never really changed, but 8 8,000. So if we were doing it quarterly, I'm doing quarterly, I'm doing a $150 per ton. Okay. Uh that we bring in. So it's it it varies. It varies from anywhere between 2,000 a quarter and and 33500 a quarter. The original the original transfer, the big transfer to catch up was to catch up for all the years that we had. Now I got you.

Yeah. I was thinking it probably be more than that. So it's $150 per ton and it's about roughly just it's anywhere between 2,000 and about 3500 there per quarterly. Who's doing who's making that transfer because it's not me. Um Mary Yeah, it shows up on Okay. Yep. Every quarter. I'm throwing that in there. Make sure I wasn't missing anything. Yeah, I I I just didn't see it see it there. I wasn't sure if that was Okay, perfect. Okay. Anything else? You need to go.

Was there any other costs out there that we have to like opening up a new cell? No, we just opened one up. Uh some of the the our water uh testing went up by quite a little bit. Um, but other than that, we got the the new machine. We had just had some repairs done on on two other machines which were normal things that we needed. Uh, the only thing that I could see in the future, not even on the landfill side, would be the recycling sign. There's a few items, but I I think we can hold off a whole another year before we do much. We have one heater that went down, but I can get it repaired. We were going to do a tube system to do the whole Oh,

yeah. Which would be more efficient as well. Out of corners. Yeah. So, we we thought about doing that and I had I've got one price for that. Uh debating whether to mess with that or wait another year. The BOR in the back is going to need some maintenance sooner or later. Just really honestly small things, you know, other a fence, a repaired fence around the facility would be great because where we stack our bales, uh, you know, the Morgans own that property just right behind us and there's stuff there's stuff that goes into their property all the time. Uh, but we try to keep it as clean as possible. But the new fence would be great. It looked good, too. Yeah,

I'll have to say I I think it's last year I came down and looked at the recycling and then I went out to the landfill and I I've been around several. Butler County has a big one and then you know first area salt west does a pretty good job but his is one of the cleanest. I I literally couldn't find a Dylan's trash bag. That's what I always look for. Reno counties is horrible. I mean you go by that road around there and there's Dylan there's Dylan's trash bags everywhere out there today. Go look at the fins. Bad right now. Yeah, I heard that pick up last night. Yeah. Yeah. I have I have bags where we've never had crash. So, I'm not really sure what happened there.

Well, I won't go out there today. Yeah, don't do that. All right. Well, thank you, Jason. Have a good day. Thank you, Jason. You want to come? I guess it's from Sasha looking at it this afternoon.

Um I'm not very well when it comes to budget. I'm not controversial. At least I don't think I am. I'm not asking for anything different. I generally ask for the same. Um always been able to maintain what I have and I'm appreciative of that. Did you get a copy? There we go. Make copies. You good? Okay. Um

I mean really the only thing that keeps ticking up in expenses is you know it and software. I generally get the same product but it's always more expensive. Um but I've just been able to deal with it and um 2026 you know the big expense that I did is I purchased that new server at the end of the year tariffs it at least that's what I was advised by the IT guy to so we got that done at the or we got it purchased the end of the year installed it in February well January February let in a little bit in March got it done everything's working everything's up to date so that that big expense is done the only big expense I foresee in the future, which I know it's been coming. I've been kind of tracking it for a while, is the case management software that I have, it's old, it's antiquated. They've been kind of babying it along. This is the year they're supposed to come out with the new revamp. Um I don't they haven't told me if that changes pricing or what that looks like. They've had for a few years some county well a lot of county attorneys in Kansas have what the software called CarPel prosecutor by Carpel. I've looked at it. It's really expensive. I just felt like, you know, mine works just fine right now. So, I'm just I've kind of stuck with my software. But at some point, one, two, maybe three years later,

something's going to have to change. But until then, it's fine. Um the because one thing with the case management software, what it does with county attorneys is it updates all the statutes for you. So, when you charge a case, it's got the updated language. Um, it's not real great how it does it with my software right now, but it's hasn't been that big of a problem. I look up the statute. I make sure I change the subsections or whatnot. So, um, it's just it is what it is. It's not been a problem right now. But yeah, I generally I'm looking at the numbers. I always make it a point to stay under budget. um you know a lot of

a good job that you got 23,000 and 25 you had left over and 30,000 and 24. So it the only big change I see now I can't remember the way that you if you had to do any kind of outside what is the what is the one thing that you might have that like with outside counsel or is there something that something that would blow this budget up besides software? um software. Yeah, definitely upgrades large to change it. Um potentially with special prosecution, um those sometimes, you know, if there's a conflict, I'll have a local person help out with that. Um if it's a bigger case and it's a conflict or something that like maybe the AG wants to have.

They don't charge for that. So, it's kind of ideal to have them do that if they can. I know they've been understaffed for a little bit. I don't know if they're back up. Um so, that could blow it. um getting an expert can blow it, but there's also, you know, potentially diversion funds or procedure training funds that could be used for that. Um yeah, the experts that I've used either it's been like nominal fee. I mean, but we haven't needed them to show up at, you know, a fiveday trial. That could really eat into it. Um, but

I was just curious. I just to make sure I was up to date, but the only time I've ever had it happen, there was a murder trial in O County and it was a big it was a very, you know, high-profile one. It was about 200,000 extra that came out came out of the general fund because some of the witnesses were I think there were two from England. They had to they had to pay their had to pay their airflows and all. It was it was a crazy I never had that was probably about 10 years ago. I never had I didn't know that even existed. I said yeah.

Justice accountability to the taxpayer. Yeah. value curative is still up to me. No, I mean it honestly the experts that I've generally used. Um it's always for sex cases. Um and and there's a good amount. AG at one point had their own which was nice. She retired. I don't know if they've ever replaced her but that was a nice uh resource to have. Um defense attorneys they always get their expert to cover themselves and that gets paid out of bids. Um, I know there was, it was before my time. I think it was a shaken baby case where they had an expert on that and I think they found some money somewhere to help pay for that.

Just for planning purposes on back to the software. Uh, is there any pricing you could get for us? I I'm just curious what the price. Yeah, I or you may know it. Well, the carel I just reread that. It was really expensive. Like $40,000. Like ridiculously expensive. That's pretty common. I'm gonna ask a stupid question, but you know, we're getting special equipment and everybody's, but she doesn't have and I talked to a little bit about that. I don't think I ended up Oh, anything set away for special equipment. Yeah, I think we talked at the end of last year. I don't think you decided to move anything over.

No. Um, but that's something I think I need to do this year because I know 2026 I'm not going to do anything. 2027 would probably be a decision of like, are we going to do something? And you could do that whatever when you get to November and whatever it's different for you just transfer then we're starting to plan for that software just in we have a whole book over here you know you can say what you need five 10 15 20 years out

and give us estimates now those are going to change you everything but it gives us a road map and a plan and stuff we can we can say oh this is the year we got to go find a new sand pit you know just instead of coming in and saying, "Hey, we're out by way." Yeah. And I'll send another email out like in November and be like, "Hey, are you wanting to are you wanting to move any over? Here's what you have left, you know." And I know it's kind of tricky trying to figure out like how to make sure you actually make it through that period 13, but we can always reverse it too if it's if we need be. room.

I just think that would be easier than her popping in saying, "Hey, you got 40,000." Yeah. Yeah. Well, no. And I just felt like that was And I know that's a lot. Software is expensive. And I argued with them a little bit. I was like, "No, we're just small. It's just me and an assistant. The software now you got to buy this subscription." Yeah. Well, yeah. It's an annual due. Yeah. Sure. That Yeah. So, just give you a feel. I have 15 count me 15 employees and we have this it's called right works and it's really the only way to go but it manages all of our like our audit software and and any any micro anything and I just look that costs us about 5,000 a month. Oh a month. Yeah.

So it's about it's about 60 60 grand a year but we couldn't do without it. I mean it's it's in today's world with technology. Uh, so I just 60,000 but but it it manages all that. Plus it it's on the cloud and so it's it's all protected, you know, supposedly protected around so there's so there's I don't but software is just nuts anymore. Well, yeah. And it's I mean half of what I have I mean all the support system stuff is now cloud-based.

You know when I receive and exchange discovery with law enforcement it's all cloud. You know we used to burn CDs and hot disk. Um, so we, you know, we've, we've used Dropbox for that. It's works. Everybody knows how to do it. When I send it to defense attorneys, they get their download link. Saves on not having to burn and copy everything. Yeah. Um, but, you know, I know some of these other case management software. You know, they offer that cloud-based service for discovery on top of everything else. But, you know, I don't know what I have works right now, so I keep it. I just told somebody the other day about fellow but city of Galva where I live

uh they still have DOSs for their utility bill that existed and this lady I didn't even know it existed anymore but it just they haven't updated this lady that's 79 C format get rid Huh C format she this lady she lives out north of Galva she still programs it she's 79 okay so I think there's a little risk there Yeah. Isn't that great, Mark? That's insane. Is that insane? But you know what? It works. It works. They don't want you around. There's no just type it in here. When the apocalypse happens, they probably still run.

Good point. Well, and it's funny because my case management system because it is separate from what the court system, Tyler Technologies, when the court got hacked and went down, it was I was the only one that had anything. So, I told the court that's kind of nice. Yeah. So, yeah, old stuff sometimes it's absolutely I've got one truck in my building. It's a 77 Chevy that my son fixed up. It's probably the only truck we'll run if everything else goes, you know, when the computers goes kaboom. Yeah, that's But um yeah, you did a great job.

Yeah. No, I'm here. I just I make arguments in court. I try not to argue with you. So or Yeah, but any other questions? Um just this is nice that you have this kind of all separated out. I have like my big giant notebook, but it's not as this is it's considered. It is. Hopefully we can use it. eating all this next year this time I can just clean this out and be like here you can by the way here it all is yeah and you can bring these in too because I know you keep it all separated nice to have so

yeah but yeah just estimates like you know in court I mean cases waxing ways 2025 is a banner year for two file cases 2026 is looking like that again but it just goes up and down too Jimmy yeah his um detention bill maybe going up a little bit. We've had I know we talked about it last year when

Yeah, there were a lot I Yeah, I think we're getting just, you know, it goes in waves and just kind of my perspective, you're just having kind of a wave of some older situations and they're getting older and making decisions and then we're all having to respond to that. Yeah, that's right. Thank you. Thank you. You're the last one. I think she's already done. So, we're mine in between. Not quite. We still got a little bit more. Bridge and Lake. He's not here,

right? He's at his conference. So, he is on the agenda. I think I stuck him on there next week. Okay. But I I went ahead and did those. So, well, just send him an email and say you're getting the same just you learned here and there's nothing left, right? Sorry, Charlie. He's gonna come in 70 something pound a month now. Yeah. Is there any talk about I mean, I don't even know how you do that. I use you guys example just about the aging my kids department. It just he and I was talking about it when we were down for training. How do you if if there I think two more is retiring he said or this year and they're all like late 60 a lot in late 60s. What do you

good good good chunk over 55. Yeah. What do you do? I think he's hired some he's pretty oh he said he was down about 80. I mean well he does overall you know from like therapeutic hire one and lose two. Yeah. It's kind of how it but happy. Not really an easy answer. I mean, the answer would be to pay more, but you have to be able to pay more. Yeah, absolutely. And that'd be for everybody, right? Yeah. Well, we'll uh you'll get those sheets.

Updated. We'll I've showed you uh another one I didn't show you is a third page in on this this one I showing you with the cash. If you go to it, I think I lost. So, it'll be the green will be there. It is.

So, the third one, this is the seven-year history. Now that I've got it updated, I just keep updating it. If you look, I circled up at the top kind of to show you where the general fund. You were asked about cash. I didn't show you this earlier, but the average for seven years has been 2.3. Now, some of that is be when I first came here, the 1.5 million at that time coming from the windmills. If you look over in 2020 and 2019, there was some years there that it went first to I think it went first to general to capital. So, the cash at the end of the year might have been a little overstayed there. So, that may make the average, but you can see that you dropped you were you were down. I think the first year I did it was 22. Does that sound right?

Yes. Yeah. We were 1.1 million. We got on on 20. Yeah. Tried to do the bud. It still didn't look right to me. And we hired you in 22. Yeah. So 1.1. Then we got it up to 1.7. Then it went up to 2.4. And then it went back down to 1.9. Now I'm not I didn't go back and study exactly why it went back down. But I I was just looking at this and that's that bold. That's a pretty good one. If you just kind of if you want to study, just kind of look down through there because like road bridge. Look at look at look at it. It's the opposite. See? I mean there it was down to 247 and then average is 350 and we were at 1.1 million

and the other one I always look at is employee benefits. I'm looking here. Where'd I go? I'm just blank here. There it is. Line 10. See that was not bad. It it I mean it was it was back in 2020 and 2019 you had over a million but it's kind of stayed around five to 700,000 there. And uh I think another one capital improvement is is hung in there. I mean it's 5 million. And the landfill closure. Yeah, we said that. I was trying to see. Special equipment. It's at 1.4 now. So it's it's kind of hung in there the same way all the way along. And I don't know if that'll change now that we start uh we got everybody doing it. It may go up a little bit with the people's transfers. Anyway, this this these are just good. I just keep I look at this. This kind of helps me make sure you're staying the course when you look at the seven-year history.

Somebody make sure Yeah. And uh receipts. If you look at the next page is annual receipts. We have brought in more. I mean uh average is seven. That F column there. Your average in general fund was 4.9 and you're at 6.2 6.7 6.1 the last three years. Some of that is due to couple years there was due to the mill levy raise probably because we had to raise it there some yeah that first year we had a million raise.

But all those like employee benefits it stayed pretty flat kind of like the cash has. I mean I and expenditures if you go to the next page average expenditures is 5.3 in the bold in the general and you're a little over the average there 5.9 5.9 5.6 six. Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Yeah. And then I think the last one I got here is the mill levy. And this kind of shows you I think I think that one year, let's see, 22 is the first year. So yeah, for 23's budget, that's the year we had to jump six mills, I think. Yeah. Yeah, we jumped six mills. Then we've kind of kept it. And then then the 24 when you first lost the big assessed value. And then you lost it again last year. No, 25 was the first year you lost it, wasn't it? Let's see. 26. Yeah, 25 when you lost and then

because you had to jump it again there and then we stayed R&R harvest last year. But but I don't know. This this is good stuff. I I I started doing this probably about four or five years ago on these counties, especially the newer ones. It really helps to you kind of look at the keep that keep that history. And then that last sheet, we'll start once we get the assessed value. That's the one I've always used. We'll the very last sheet, we'll pop in the the new assessed value and see see what the same meal levy generates. Let's see where we're at. Okay. And then sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Just talking about receiping. Do you think that we're good on the noxious feed? Because I know his cash I think we had some issues with his cash.

Well, see, I thought it was because things were going in the wrong place like at the treasures office. Well, the way he was recording or something, you know, it was under miscellaneous receipts instead of like you only have a certain percentage under miscellaneous receiving and I think that got corrected. April um was her last year. Let me

Well, the first year I came here, April's really April, she doesn't change things sometimes. So that was when the 1.5 million of I think it was windmill was stuck in miscellaneous on the auto report. I go April you can't stick 1.5 million in miscellaneous and I think it was going into miscellaneous and then she just kept she just pulled it right out of the which happens. You pull right off the general ledger and you drop it in the audit report and so I think we kind of got that was we started working on that getting it out of miscellaneous. I don't like mis I just I like to leave it out of miscellaneous, you know. I mean, just put it put it exactly where it's at so you know uh exactly what's what's happening. Speaking of audit, we heard anything from

Yeah. Um they are moving right along. They said they could tell that we cleaned a lot of stuff up. Um went a lot smoother and they are almost done. Okay, perfect. So, we got to have a draft early. That'd be awesome. Yep. And I and I did tell them that and they did say that they should be able to at least get us a draft. Well, I think we're giving him a little cleaner start than we've had. Um, so his Let me We work back and forth quite a bit. Like, it's really funny. It's such messes out there right now. So, if April gets the mess to be the auditor, we clean it up and

and if and so Leon, so you Leon, it's a mess. We're Let's see. We're She's cleaning it up. We're doing the audit. So it kind of depends on what our schedule is, but Yeah. So on So it looks like on Nox noxious weed in 2025 ended with like 88,000 88,000 in cash. How much did we And what year was that? This is the end of 25. Oh, you're in good shape then because Oh, perfect.

Because the end of 24 was only 28 and we're setting it and you're Well, we raised the mill levy though. If you look on page 14, we raised the mill from 139 and 24. The second to that box in the middle, there's a blue box in the middle of 25 column to 212 and then we dropped it back a little bit, but we it should be up because it went up. Looks like his revenue was 231 altogether. Let me see. But see, I I remind me the chemicals each county is a little different. the chemical sales here. Do they take a voucher or do you actually give them a a discount? How does yours work here when you get when a farmer or rancher goes in?

I think they just sell them. I don't know. They just sell to Okay. See, we also have a contract with KOT to go out and spray their highways. Spray the highway. So that money comes comes back. Yeah. Yeah. So he had 5,652 in chemical cells. Yeah. So yeah, it's not that much. See, some some counties they might generate as much asund 150,000. I don't I'm not sure why here because I think when we sell them Yeah. they're not marked up 20%. And then miscellaneous receipts looks like 12. Yeah, cuz 24 is 13. So I wouldn't see I wouldn't see it much different. Okay. So we're good there.

We're probably good. And they had a big I don't know what equipment he sold. They sell like a pickup or something. In 24 there was 26,000 of what? I don't know. It just says sale of equipment 26,650. I don't know what that was in 24 but typically yeah I think that goes into general they sell equip well is in usually it's in usually noxious weed is in it own fund. It's their own fund. Yeah he's in his own fund. But it's usually when they sell something I think this is where we were maybe messing up prior. It should go back to it should be reimbursed back to that that and I think before just everything was going to the general Lori was a stickler everything should go

and it really should be getting reimbursed back and you might look can you look and see if there's a noxious we kept alley even set up at all in history I was there nothing did I not find we sold that truck we didn't think we was going to get anything out of oh that's what it was and it went on purple wave. There hasn't been one. Yeah, there hadn't been one. Okay. I thought we had I I couldn't find anything. I was searching by description like noxious. I was searching. It's always special. I mean, it's operated the same, but it's in special, but we're not taking out the entirety of the funds either. And it sounds like we're supposed to be transferring the entirety of the funds over to Yeah. I mean, the statute.

Yeah. the staff I I've always interpreted that they transfer over like they make budget 10,000 but they could transfer over the balance but sometimes they don't even they don't even do that. Okay. And the only time I don't know how many miles you put on your noxious weed truck but seems like that's the only time they start transferring money is when they want to buy a truck or a sprayer sprayer or sometimes now some like Marian County they bought a couple ATVs. I don't know you may have those two. So, um, but and I I don't know if you does it say you have to use the noxious we cap outlay. Uh, I read it as mandatory.

Okay. So, um, I wasn't sure about mandatory, but I I was just looking at it earlier. I didn't see it. So, that's why I was I thought maybe I left it out of the budget. Do I need to go ahead and create a capital outlay fund and transfer his special equipment out of special equipment and into the cap or into the noxious capital outlay? Probably. But see, he's have replaced all the trucks and all the ATVs here in the last three or four years. So, yeah, he should be good for that'd be a call for them. Whatever they want to do. But, but if if Tyson's reading it mandatory, then I would I would want to make sure you're you guys let me know and all. Y just do it. Just do it. Y

mandatory language. That's what it uses. Cool. That's all I I I I didn't go through and I before I come back, I'll go through I think I'll have an error sheet, but I'll go through every one of these where I say 1126 actual on each fund just to see here's what we estimated when we did the 26 budget. Here's where it ended at the end of the year. That's a good thing to look at all those because the general fund we have about 300,000 more than what we anticipated and so I'll I'll go through all those when I come back and spend that on health insurance. Yeah, absolutely. Are we going to do any changes on I'm going to say our giveaway appropriations? Oh, the appropriate that'd be something to visit. Yeah, you talked about last year.

What page is that on? That's on page 8B. Yeah, 8B. Y circled in big circled in blue there. There's a You have a bunch of them. Yep. I did not make a spreadsheet for it. Well, we haven't got all of them yet. So, almost every one of them's asked for more money and we told them at the time that I was know if the governor was even going to veto that bill. On that note, uh Heather just sent me a text that they talking about calling back the legislature special session. She said that she doesn't

override the veto. Override the veto. Not to override the veto. Replace 20 mills for K12 schools. Replace the 20 mills for K12 schools with a statewide sales tax of 3/4s of a percent. This change would remove the 20 mills from all residential properties, a property tax. Yeah. Vote on SB 33, which proposes eliminating the need for legislative approval before a county can vote on a countywide sales tax and then vote on a constitutional amendment to cap property taxes at 3%.

Really? So if the state tax on 3/4 of a percent sales tax and the city tax on a threequarters, a lot of small businesses here in town be upset because I mean if I need to go buy a TV, why would I buy it here city and I live in the rule? Yep. Look at a new vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. That wipes out your savings. Exactly. Just one time. Yeah. Yeah. So on on these, do you guys want to talk about these right now or you want to wait till we get all the

We can wait. I just We can What's if they When's the special session? She said she didn't think they had the votes, but I mean it would be as soon as they make the call if they have the votes to do that. Can we get a budget ready? Yeah. and they passed that. We're not going to have any time. Well, they would they would have they would have to do that here pretty quickly with it. They don't care about us. Don't act like Yeah. I mean, it would have to happen within I don't know what the I don't know how that all works. Wow. Because I know they can't call back to override the veto because they Yeah.

ended the session for whatever it is. Yeah. I didn't think after sign is it called signing die or whatever it's called. I didn't think you could come back with the So they're taking away the 20 mill from the schooly. That's what they're proposing. Oh, they'll get Oh, I don't have any I don't want to make public com. I just wanted to let you know that they were to do that. I'm not gonna make Well, there'll be some news article. Yeah, I'm sure there. Sure. But see some of these back to here Morgan some of these we have to Oh yeah I understand that. Yes.

County extension I think a required one. County hospital board we know that's required. So health I think is required maybe. I I don't know. Yeah. Soil conservation up there. It's it's the other I mean it's one of my biggest gripes is blight. 15,000. Yes. Do we It looks like we for um It's under miscellaneous. I'm I'm looking at our appropriations here for That's what we put the reimbursement for dispatch. It was about 160. She She hasn't got that to me yet.

I'd imagine it's going to be higher though. The what? This we talked about yesterday. Yeah. Now, we didn't spend any of that either. No. And where's that at in the budget bottom? It's in miscellaneous right here. It's60,000. Oh, 160. Yeah, it's kind of sound like they were trying to put in office supplies and everything else on and we are paying their benefits to that. What we agreed to was everything that relates to employment that includes benefits.

That's what I thought. I haven't read it in a while. Yeah. I think the thing that amazed me I did yours first and I went over to the city, but really how much you and the city do this kind of like these um special appropriations. It's pretty amazing. And then I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's pretty amazing with whether it's youth or you know all the different different types of they're all good on here every one of them but there's a point you got to stop. Yeah I mean or slow down at least. Yeah. When you look at this for 26 we got

475. Yeah. 1 million475. Yeah. You're looking at almost five ms right there or more. Yeah. Almost almost seven or eight right there. Yeah. But a lot of that I mean some of it may have to do not that you can take out. You're not 25. Yeah. Well, and the the driver's license fee pilot warrant like all that is included in that which is like 150. Yeah. What is the energy pilot project? We don't know. This question was asked last year. I think I asked it last year,

but has there been any talk here? This is something that's coming up in a lot of counties. Is the county extension going to multi-count where it's its own taxing district? Not there's been talk of that. What they ended up doing is kind of forming a area and Barber County will have a guy that specializes in animal health. We'll have somebody in plant health. Each find it each funded at this not as

Yeah. It's not as just I mean it's still funded that way but that's kind of what they come up with and yeah but you know for us that's what 224,000. Yeah. And the state I don't know if they match that or I'd have to No, all they do is they will pay the they pay the salaries of the agents. Yes.

Yeah. Because they pay it from Kate out. But I I had this come up at Brown County. It seemed like everything's coming up. Brown County, Brown County, they had I bet they had 40 people this meeting I was at. They were talking about going to a four county and the chairman of the Brown County, he's a big farmer. He he was totally against it. So, they decided not to do it. And that wouldn't surprise me that they wanted they wanted to keep it they want to keep it local and have control over it instead of having Yeah.

But I think the ones that are looking at that, they're having a hard time getting those positions filled. Well, that's what he said. They do have one local that was a agent. They were trying to get two and that's why they were even looking the other ones were looking at exactly that. They couldn't find agents in each of the counties so they were going to share them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's a tough position to fit. Yeah. Especially for the pay. Yeah. I mean, they've got to have a sense of community oriented driven person.

Yeah. These are very easy to change in doing the budget. So when you get all your material in, we just could go through it. That way you can kind of think about it because some of these are I mean you change something and then you you don't realize who gets fired up, you know, who gets Exactly. Because because I I I saw I've seen that so many times. I mean, you know, well, we're going to change it. Well, why? Yeah. I mean, you know, they're they're all good. Yes. at some point, you know, they're facing the same problem. Yeah. With rising rates and insurance and you know, it's easy for them to come say, "Hey, you guys pay for this." Well, we have it

and we're not going to. And it gets pretty intense like like mental health and mentally disabled. So, Lynn County, uh, I got in the middle of that. There were there was a six I think there it's called Southeast Kansas Mental Health. I think there's six six or eight counties. Reform district.

So this the chairman there he's very very outspoken and uh he went and did some research on all six counties and what the CEO was getting paid for the you know his position in that SEK. And uh he they all come to visit one day and he just point back looked at him tell me what your W2 is and it was like oh my goodness 39095,000 or something you know that kind of getting paid that the CEO was getting paid it something like that. Well, I thought we could do that.

They Well, they're they were the test. I didn't know this, but that count that that SEK one was the test and they're trying to do that across the state where there's they're pulling all these Yeah. pulling I don't know what yours I don't know how who who but I'm looking at like the corner. We're paying a corner. Corner. Okay. Through the judicial district. Again, that's not something Yeah. I'm not saying we we can, but you know, who decides what the counties give there? I don't know. It's based off a budget that's submitted by the district corner and Sar County, which was reviewed by the district court. Yeah, they just divide it up by how many counties they

could understand here is Arrowhead is that local here or is that it's Arrowhead West? It's more than just us. Oh, okay. So, it's other counties. And then the mental health, who is who is that one? What? What is Horizon? That's Horizon. That's Horizon. Okay. I still don't understand the special alcohol deal. Okay. Tracy can talk to you about both special alcohol and the There's another she No, not the opioid. But she when she was talking about finding fees, they're able to you she has two different ones. She's able to access special alcohol and something else.

Diversion. Diversion. Yeah. Yes. We we have got that specific statuto uses though. It's not like she can just will Yeah, she can. Yeah. And I I that now that we've got all that pulled and separate all the diversion, she gets a report on that each one for each. Um on the RAW, I think I forwarded that to you guys. There's been some changes on the RAW. Not gonna happen. It's not going to happen. You don't even have to do the sign the zero resolution. Right. Scratch that off. I was going to say, can we remove that out of our I don't know if we have anybody. We're still committed to if there's any I don't we're still committed to any payments that we

sign. Y So I don't know what's outstanding. We haven't taken on any in the last two three years. It's been more than I'm I don't remember pay for zero. Yeah, I don't remember there ever being I've not made a payment to anyone unless Yeah. at some point that What is that number? 5,000. Yeah. 5,000. Yeah. That would have been our maximum that we were paying out on anybody that was outstanding. I would go back and look to see if we've paid anything over the last five years. If not, then it's not there's nothing outstanding. We've done Z resolutions as far as I can remember. County has never done anything other than a Z.

What's the fair board? 2020. The fair premiums 2020. Yeah. There was nothing paid on 2020 for the auctions. Yeah. tax. Yeah, we donate money. I just And then I think there's a fair board would probably be too. Yeah, we give money to the fair board. Fair board, fair building and the building. We give them money for help. Those are not mandatory.

Yeah. No, I'm just asking for sure. I might be asking some. That was the group that came in when they were doing their project and wanted an increase in the amount that they wanted to build a pavilion out. Okay, gotcha. Well, I know the 4H foundation was inherited. They're going to put in two quarters of ground this last six months because I farm it. Well, the pavilion thing, it was partially funded by some budget. Yeah. So I don't know where they're at now. Yeah. I don't

show that pavilion deal. Yeah. Show show thing. No, I knew Mark Snyder trust was settled because I farmed for them for years and the ground he owned in Pratt County, which is I think it's two quarters. It's split up a little bit, but it went to the Prat County 4 Foundation. Cool. and they can't sell it. They just get the income of it. Wow. That's a lot in this farming economy. Yeah. Is it? Well, I'm paying cash. I'm sure it's I'm sure it's a negative. I'm paying them cash rent. Oh, are you?

And people's is, you know, one controlling it for the new digger told me, "Oh, I'll get you a contract sometime." He said, I said, "I'll write you a check today for it." You know, Oh, no big deal. I don't know when we'll get around to it. You would think they would want their money. I don't think so. Yeah. Well, anything else? I don't have anything. uh just on the next year I think if we can get these in place and you know the department heads can provide the sheets that they've always but they need to provide the

I think it's a great supplemental like for them to bring in whatever they want to bring in but to have that so the idea would be that sheet no colon and then we have a working point to where we can go so just a little bit more efficiency which Everything had the RSVP straightened out. Yeah, everything went smooth except for that. I was going to try to get it because I think Lauren talked to me about it on Tuesday which is when I hit it. I didn't mean it that way. I was just saying I think it No. No. Yes. Yes. I would I was really going to try to have it whooped out so we would have it and but some some of them came with it. It's it's okay. Who

we're better than we were? Yes. Oh, we're we're I'm just worried you'll go back keep it all the same with no raises and our bill rate goes up then I know we're in big trouble. Oh, when there's no no raise in there and there's still there is going to be I mean just the we know that there's increases in insurance. Yeah. And there's significant increases. So, but I don't know whether you're worried about values going down. You're worried about values going down. Yeah, there's more down values than there are values. And I know everybody's screaming about their homes, but yeah,

a lands down, down, commercial didn't go very much this year. I think that's what DJ said. I think all those will be kind of a voice between the house and land, but if depending on your status says, that's just always I mean, and I that's not even fair. I I did the more I go around to these counties, you know, when they don't make Northern Gas prove what their what their value. I mean, literally what their This isn't It isn't complex either. No, it's not. They have a system that they can pull from. All we ever asked for was the data.

Just show us. That way we can go out to our the members of our community and say, "This is what happened." Absolutely. when we started that. Well, some of them were trying to get a bill passed to force them to do it. And they did come back and said, "Oh, we made a mistake. You know, we'll give you a little bit more." But how can an entity self-report? Yeah. What they have and nobody checks on them. And we do this every year and we get audited every year. It just doesn't make sense to me. the lobbyists have paid the legislators off in the past. But that's what it seems like. That's what it seems like. Yeah. That just doesn't seem right.

Well, good job back there, Mark. Yeah, we saw you fall asleep once.

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