Director of Aviation - Regular Meeting

My name is Kevin O'Neill. I'm the chair, first district colleagues.

Good morning. Melissa Robinson, 3rd District, vice chair.

Eric Brunch, 4th District.

Joppa Nuck in 6th District.

Lindsey Brunch, 2nd District at large.

Bertha Ross, city clerk's office.

Jeff Martin, city manager's office.

Andrew Bunkowski, law department.

Media and Creo department.

Michael Shaul, pub quirks.

Thank you very much. 60243.

260243. Authorizing the director of public works to execute a design professional services agreement with Alfred Benesch and company in the amount of $4,445,000 for this 2026 citywide biennial bridge inspection program towards compliance with federal mandate.

Good morning, mister chairman, members of the committee. My name is Nicholas Bosonetto, and today here we have Eric Falk, who's our bridge engineer.

Good morning, chair, members of the committee. Eric Falk, Public Works.

This

project is with Banish, as was said, with $445,000. It is for bridge inspection for bridge linked structures, and those are over 40 or sorry, over 20 feet long. It also includes some transition from the SMBI to MBIS transition, and it's 200 about 290 bridge inspections that we have with them. Happy to answer any questions that you have. They're federally mandated as well, bridge inspections.

Any questions from my colleagues?

So this Mr. Chair. So this is can you just tell us a little bit about the source of funds that this is coming from?

Yes. And every year, we get about $500,000 from constructed by contractor. And since this is biennial, every other year, we use that funds, those funds, those 500,000, to pay for this. And that's at UPREITCH funds.

And when you say get, where are you getting the money from?

Oh, I would have to take a look into that. I can get that to you. I don't have that on on on

You don't know where the source of funds are coming from?

Off top of my head, I do not. I apologize.

Does anybody here know?

You know what? Top your head?

Yeah. They they come out of the infrastructure funds. I think it's $30.90, I believe it is.

Okay. Yeah. So is that the GO bond?

No. No. It comes out of your basic like, motor fuel tax

type stuff. Okay. Alright.

You sorry about that.

No. That's fine.

I'll have that information next time.

$39.20

federal funding?

No. No federal funding.

No. Since it's federally mandated.

Yeah. I would just like, mister chair, just as a follow-up, I would just like to know kinda if you have a list of all of the bridges

Yes.

And where they're at in terms of which ones need to be to be repaired. And you could just send that to us, the committee, at a future date.

Absolutely. Okay. Once you're done with the inspections and how many inspections do you intend to do off of this? Is this just one is it 445,000 for this one inspection?

This one inspection period cycle for two years. A work construction. With work construction. Over four foot to 20 foot as well. With We do those in house or if we can find some additional money. Right now, I'm the only inspector, so I'm stretched pretty thin, also handling other bridge projects. So if I find some money, I will go ahead and use our structure on call to have other consultants do those inspections as well.

Many how many inspections will this amount of

money cover? 290.

290?

Yes. And that's plus or minus. Okay. Every once in a while, we'll drop a bridge off that or add a bridge.

Thank you. And then once you determine a an inspection is done, then you how do you go forward in determining which ones are in need of I assume you have a metrics that you do for the worst of the worst and then on down. And then Yeah. How do you generate the money for that?

What we'll we do is we when we inspect there's a thing called condition rating. So you look at superstructure, deck, and substructure. Deck is the thing you drive on. Superstructure is a thing that spans, and structure is the things that hold the the superstructure. So those get a number. And then based on those numbers of one through 10, that goes into what we've called a a factor an equation, I guess, that goes in and rates all the bridges one to 100 of how where they're at percentage wise. So anything you have good, fair, poor, and then fatal, pretty much. And we've been using that. That is going away with the SMBIs. We're gonna have to come up with our own, at least modify a little bit to match what we're we're looking at.

That takes into account the structural capacity of it as well as other things like the how many trucks traffic you're getting, how much daily traffic ADT you're getting, other factors like that.

And what say funds as we determine the needs and assessment of the bridges, what where do we do we have a fund dedicated to bridge repair? Or does this come out of a specific fund? Or is this general fund?

Well, right now and I might lean on my colleagues to handle those we're going going to

filling. If you have something off the bridge, they'll

do fill in with a that. Riprap and route it in. Just those emergency minor little things that we can do. It's also they they struggle because we have those 800 structures. It is difficult. I think we have 12 people on the crew, but we usually only have about six because we have so much turnover. So that's funded. But over that, I know that recently, we have that 500,000 that we get every year. Every other year, it's going to the biannual bridge inspection. But on off years, we'll use that to fit our our most pressing needs.

Michael, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna

Yeah. So the the bridges go through a number in a rating, then it goes to our capital improvement program, and that's how we fund the repair of bridges based on their conditions. So it'll go through the capital improvement program for funding. Geo bonds will pay to replace or repair a bridge when it's substantial. And a good example of that is recently, like the bridge infrastructure grant that we just received.

We had one bridge, which is it's Gregory Boulevard Bridge that was actually funded. We actually leveraged that to get eight other bridges through grants funded and built. So then we, you know, we just leveraged money that you've already allocated to us to repair a single bridge and got other bridges done, you know, with those funds.

And do we have in the pipeline right now, do we have specific bridges that need are in are in a specific state of repair that they have to be addressed now? Or how do how how how does how are we standing at that point?

Yeah. We have bridges that have to be replaced, and we we have eight bridges that are in this bridge grant that are gonna be replaced. We have some bridges that are under construction like town what's the one down south? Raytown over Lumpkins? Raytown over Lumpkins, which was 6th District or 5th District now. Then you have the 12th Street Boulevard, 12th Street Bridge is is one that that is in desperate need. There's some bridges over Brush Creek that are there. Then we have some smaller bridges as you talked about where we are getting done on Hundred And 12th Street. Is that the bridge on Hundred And 12th? Yeah.

So there's it goes into different things, but largely, it is the geo bomb program that repairs and replaces those bridges. And if their bridges are smaller than 20 feet or 12 feet or whatever, then we kinda do that as part of the road reconstruction. But the larger ones will go through geo bomb program or, you know, the CIP process.

Councilman?

This may be a silly question, but the picture made me ask it. This, I think, is a Casey Southern bridge. Do we do we inspect those, or it's just illustrative purposes only?

I believe that's still straight. We yeah. We do not inspect

It's great. It's It's great. Just hope we're not responsible for for railroad property, but answer my question. Simple enough. Thank you.

Yes. We do not inspect Modot bridges. So most most things are bridges over the the interstates and highways or on the interstates and highways or Modot. Okay. But all city bridges, we do inspect.

Thank you. Any other questions for my colleagues? Alright. I appreciate it. I would take a motion.

Mister Chair, I move that ordinance number two six zero two four three be reported out of committee with the recommendation of Aviance and do pass. Second.

All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Ordinance passes. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Had it. Now we'll go to 244.

260244, estimating and appropriating revenue in the amount of 900,000 in the capital improvement fund for the Northeast 104th Street Improvements, North Willow Avenue to North Church Road project, authorizing the director of public works to execute a cooperative agreement with the City Of Liberty, Missouri in the amount of $2,371,322 for the related transportation improvements designating requisition authority and recognizing this ordinance is having an accelerated effect today.

Good morning, mister chairman, members of the committee. Nicholas Bosanel, city engineer. Today, have, assistant city engineer, mister Todd Lapdarella.

Good morning, chairman. Good morning, members of the committee. This ordinance estimates an appropriate necessary revenue for the Northeast Hundred And 4th Street improvements. I did I did put in a much better map than that in there, but that one didn't make the cut. So this project goes from just east to North Willow Ave, basically to Old Church Road, just west of that, the city limits with Liberty.

Knowing that Kansas City is on the north side of this roadway, Liberty is on the south, so the the city limits is the center line of the roadway. It's about 1,500 feet of roadway. The ordinance also allows us to execute an agreement with the city of liberty to design and construct the project. Liberty will be administering the project. We will be working with them and overseeing that.

I do wanna thank our mayor Knutson over in Liberty who worked with us on this. And I do wanna point out that on the right side of this is the Liberty North School. So this carries a lot of traffic, high school kids both ways. Thank you. Any questions from my colleagues? If not, I would entertain a motion.

Just one

question. Too late.

So I just I wanna be better about, making sure that how this impacts our CIP program, and we're not passing ordinances that were already not in the program. So, for the point of transparency and awareness of the public, are we, is this new to the CIP program, or is this an additional one?

Well, this is a new project, that was added on, per, you know, council district, one, to help out. Liberty's paying for some of it. There's a developer paying for some of it. So this is, you know, we're entering into the agreement. We're gonna, supply some funds, they're gonna build it. But, yes, it's a it's a newer project.

Okay. Mister chair, I it's important for us to see the entire CIP schedule when we add new projects on so that we see how it impacts the entire schedule. Does that make sense? Yep. So do you will this impact other projects, or how does it work from a funding perspective to ensure that we're not rocking the boat on the projects that we've already approved as a council?

I'll I'll I'll give it a shot. So, yes, this project was added. Liberty brought it to us as a priority of theirs. They have a developer who's funding their half of the project. So they approached us and the councilman in District 1. Essentially, we're funding I think the plan is to fund this through the Clay County Road and Bridge Funds, the future. The construction is planned for twenty summer twenty twenty seven when school's out. So that's two years from now. So that is the future funding source for the the remainder of the 2,000,000.

I believe we had some PIAC money in Okay. This as

You didn't answer my question.

Yeah.

So we have a CIP plan, a five

year plan.

So how does this project impact the plan that the council has already approved?

So so those those Clay County funds can only be used within Clay County. So

So you're saying it has no impact on the projects that have already been approved? It's a yes or no question. Do does this project have an impact on the five year plan that's already been approved by counsel?

In terms of funding? Yes. I would say no.

Okay. Yeah. That's all. Sorry. Thank you. Okay. Great. Because oftentimes, we add on projects and then it shuffles around the CIP. And when we're looking at the CIP, we have new projects added on. Mhmm. And we're like, oh, it's because we approved ordinance whatever, and it's impacting those other projects. So I just wanna be from a housekeeping perspective and just awareness that we know how the other projects on our plan have been impacted. And you're saying that there is no impact on those projects. We're not going to extend other projects because we've added this on. We're not going to delete projects because we've added this on. All the projects that are on our schedule will continue to proceed as planned.

Yes, ma'am.

I believe that's

the case.

Yes. Thank you.

Alright. Any other questions for my colleagues? If not, I would entertain a motion.

Mister chair, I move that ordinance number two six zero two four four be reported out of committee with the recommendation of advance and do pass. Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Ordinance passes. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Todd. Go to two four five.

Two six zero two four five, authorizing the manager of procurement services to execute an indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contract for traffic signal constructions and repairs in the amount of not to exceed $3,000,000 with custom lighting services for traffic signals, construction, repairs from funding previously appropriated and recognizing this ordinance having an accelerated effective date.

Thank you.

Good morning. How are you?

Good

morning. Keeley Golden, assistant chief procurement officer.

Saw Mundane, traffic signals.

This ordinance requests approval of contract award number two for EV3711, traffic signal construction and repairs, procurement services issued and closest bid in June 2025. The first awarded contract, EV3711-one, was approved by counsel on 10/31/2025, by ordinance two fifty-eight 31 for capital electric builders for $3,000,000 and not to exceed in f y twenty six from previously appropriated funds in the public works budget. The second awarded contract, EV3700Eleven-two, requests approval for Custom Lighting LLC, DVA Black and McDonald for $3,000,000 not to exceed, and FY '26 from previously appropriated funds as well in the public works budget. This is a one year contract with five renewal options, and this ordinance has an accelerated effective date. And Saul will go over some more details.

So public works needs this contract, March, to construct and repair traffic signals within all six districts. The IDIQ nature of this contract would allow for efficient project scheduling and completion.

I assume IDIQ means

It's indefinite quantity and definite term. Yes. So we can order as needed with purchase orders.

Okay.

Yes.

Thank you. Any questions for my colleagues?

Mr. Chair? Yes. Just a few. Can you please send us a list of all of the signals that are going to be repaired or installed?

Under this contract? Yes. Yes. We can do that.

Okay. Thank you. And then the other question is about what's the correct term? The so the signals, making sure that they're coordinated, like so does this include the coordination of signals? You know how when you're driving and it's like, okay. I've like, they have the new technology where you're able to the signals are coordinated with each other. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Yes. Okay. I guess referencing more like signal timing.

Signal timing. Thank you.

This one is more of, like, construction, but the the new technology that we use with this construction helps in that. But what you're referring to is signal timing where that's more of a operational tweak than construction. So

Is so are you saying that it's somewhat included in this contract, but it's more so, like, our operations of it that Correct. Okay. Yeah. Do we plan to enhance those operations at all?

Yes. We are we are planning to enhance those operations. If if you have a corridor of interest, please let us know.

Cecile Boulevard from Brush Creek to you know, I don't know how far they go, but yes. Can I

I can I'm sorry? You're done?

31st Street.

You're done.

Yes. Was

just going to add something and say that going out into the field is kind of a fun experience. So and you can see Saul getting in there and changing things. So, been super receptive to my my interest has always, of course, been pedestrian signals, and it's been greatly helpful to just see kind of how the quote unquote sausage is made and with the signal cabinets and stuff. So it's really fascinating stuff. So I would encourage if if you have an interest in nerdy stuff like signals

I just want them to work better when I

Oh, wait. I thought you were gonna join me in my earlyness. Good. I I would love to.

I I understand Passaic Horror is a little difficult because the signals are kinda older, and they don't have that tech.

So So the repairing and installing new ones would upgrade Yeah. And then I just wonder if we're also when we're selecting the actual signals, are we looking at the Vision Zero data? Because my colleague and I, we are neighbors, and we have a lot of crashes on our block, and it's I think part of it is because there's no signals in between and people are just, you know, it's like speeding. And so I just wonder if when we we took out a lot of signals at one point, I believe it was maybe ten or twelve years ago, we removed a lot of signals. And I just wonder if if we're installing new signals, are we looking at that data?

Not to say like, I'm not telling you where to put it, but I'm just giving you an example of, like, what I've seen personally of, like, a lot of speeding and if the signalization would help?

Yes. We are looking at that. I'm glad you brought up the Vision Zero because that's a couple of the projects that are planned under this contract will be Vision Zero intersections with near signals.

Letting the data drive us. So Yeah. Great. Alright.

I'm gonna have to agree with my colleague. I I think I'd rather eat the sausage not watching my head.

I'm a vegetarian. So

we have the academic. We know the person who knows it. It's working.

Yeah. That's so kind of you to say academic. You are. Nerd is probably a more apt term, but thank you.

I just call

him a nerd. An academic nerd. How about that?

No. He's our academician on the on the committee. Like, let's yeah.

Now we know what you do on Friday nights

for fun.

Yeah. Up by the power lights.

I don't I I don't drink, so I've gotta

do something. Sends he gives us books. Yeah. Someone else gave us a book for Christmas too. Thank you. So I think you did. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, we're way off time.

The memory, first thing

you know. This is what happens when we have three ordinances on Yeah. The Okay. Okay.

All right.

I would, I guess I would ask for public testimony since I haven't yet all day.

Any public testimony on any of these?

There's no public

testimony on any these.

No public testimony. I would entertain a motion.

Mister chair, move that ordinance number two six zero two four five be reported out of committee with recommendation of advance that do pass. Second.

Second. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Thank you. Ordinance passes.

Thank you.

Thank you. Chair, I know that we have another item for business, but I do want to ask the rationale for holding two six zero two four two for three weeks.

It's actually a one week hold, but they don't want it next week. They want it in two weeks. But we have we're off for two weeks, so it'll be three weeks before we actually get it.

Oh, okay. Do we know why? Okay. I think

the I think there was a there was a shortfall in the funding, if I'm correct, Michael?

No. The we're funded the how the the source of funds to actually acquire the right of way, we're about we have to move the money around so we can acquire the right of way based on the source of funds. We just need to Okay. Just to clarify that.

Well, I just want the residents of my district to know that I'm fighting for this project.

I I don't want it to hold. I just realized what

it is.

Yeah. It's oh, boy.

We need it. We need this desperately. Yeah. Yeah. It's very important.

Okay. It's fully punted. That's worse than the Southwest Trafficway Westport Road. It is. I don't want complaints What

is the reason for the hold?

It's the reason for the hold is the right of way. They're working on the right of way.

Okay. I understand that.

So we are going to have a quick update from Brown and Root on the current jail being built over on where is that? Front of drug.

Next to the highest performing charter what the highest performing k through 12 school that we have in Kansas City. That's where the jail is being built. Just

In the industrial sector.

Yes. Lots of kids. And do we have this presentation, ma'am?

Think we do.

No. They didn't send it to the clinic? No. I can I'll send it over to you. Yeah. And then post it too, if that's okay, mister chair, to post it online.

Okay. Good morning, committee. I'm Roxana Ray, city architect. Very cool, the microphone. Microphone. You. Must have been a taller person here before. You're great. Sorry. Good morning, committee and chairs. I'm Roxana Roxana Reyes, city architect with general services. Just gonna go over a brief construction update on the Front Street Detention Center, formerly known as the temporary facility. A little project timeline. You guys know all this, but the RFP went out in July, late July last year. We got proposals in August.

We awarded to Brown and Root in October. We started initial site work in October. Got our permits December, another ordinance back in early January for a change order, and the pre engineered middle building and the steel cells arrived in January, and we're still looking at a May completion date. Here's some photos. This is outside of the pre engineered metal building. It's been dried in. Gutters are being installed. This was last week heading out there today, so they've been going pretty fast. This is inside. Interior wall framing is ongoing.

All the exterior installation on the pre engineered metal building has been installed inside of the steel cells. That hasn't changed. Those are how they come from the factory. And we're working on some utilities on-site, domestic and water, fire water lines are being installed, running conduit up to transformer pads and ATS pads. I have a slide for questions, but I also have a drone video I could show you guys if you're wanna see.

See if this will play. So if you guys are able to see that.

Feels like a high stitches in there.

Fine. Yeah. It's a big building. It's 200 by 250 feet. That's just what those pre engineered metal buildings look like. Right there, that little bump out is Sally Port. That's where, vehicles will drive in, drop off, and then drive out.

No windows.

Right there is the front door. It's gonna have a little bridge over to the parking. Back there is the loading dock. I have a dock level back there. And this is inside currently. Those are the steel cells all lined up, building walls around them. Walls go to the underside of the deck above. On the right side, you'll see they don't go to the underside of the above. That's where the administrative offices will be. Those don't have to go to the underside of the deck.

And that's the inside of the Sally Port there where cars will drive it through. Okay. Any questions?

Thank you. And my colleagues have questions.

Councilman Bucks. Yeah.

Glad to see progress. My question is actually, you know, I'm kind of realizing just how much this looks like a, you know, warehouse, and I think that we understand that. But I just wanted to change gears and ask about 1% for art. Is that included in this, or is there a waiver?

Since this is a temporary use, we didn't include 1% for art in this project, but we do plan to include it for the future Okay. Build.

Is it a temporary use?

That's that's the idea. That's what for up to three to five years, three years for that use for that building. And then it could be something else. And that's what we're looking at in the next phase.

Okay. Yes.

So to expand upon that, yes, this is being constructed right now for temporary use, but we've also looked into ordinances and moving on to constructing this as a permanent use. And then I've seen renderings from that permanent facility or or potential permanent facility, and it didn't look so much like a warehouse like this. And there was a lot more lighting. There was a lot more openness that there was another level. How, I guess, does this compare to what might be built in the future?

The plan for the permanent facility is to have something that doesn't look like a warehouse. That is the idea. And then this becomes something that is a city asset that can be used for central booking or to be incorporated in the facility. We're looking at that now.

I know this is very modular, so it can be moved and changed to just break

Those steel cells could be relocated. They could be used in another project there and the building itself. So how are

we transitioning from using this as a temporary to the permanent while still having, you know, residents housed within?

We gotta figure that out. That's the the next steps, I think. Did Jeff wanna to say something?

So yes. So Jeff Martin, City Manager's Office. So that's actually part of the scope for the next steps with Trainer within their design contract. So Ms. Reyes has negotiated with them for scope and fee for that next phase, actually coming for counsel here in the next couple of weeks for authorization of that amendment to the contract to move forward with the design of the permanent CCRC, which part of that scope will include evaluation of this Front Street detention facility and how it can be incorporated into the overall operations of the CCRC at that site.

Jeff, when is the planned public engagement for this? There's conversations from city manager that there was Directors. And with we'll start We've had at least one meeting with Frontier School that was a couple of weeks ago now, maybe three weeks ago now at this point, and they're receiving feedback from them. And then Parsons and Associates is doing the public engagement underneath as part of the trainer contract. And so they will be scheduling those public outreach meetings here very soon.

So probably in the next couple of months, we'll be doing that additional outreach.

And I believe we're meeting with the Northeast Industrial Association and the Blue Valley Industrial Association in a couple of weeks here.

So when we're meeting and we're doing this public engagement, what does that look like? What are we saying? What are we providing as far as information? Are we getting information from them? Is this a collaborative process? Is it just more of a telling process?

I I would mean, hope it's more collaborative because we we're just starting design of the permanent facility. Obviously, this is kinda baked.

But But I've seen designs for the permanent facility.

That one was for on Highway 40 and didn't have to include

Front Street. It was actually for this, like, transitioning us into it.

We did have a draft. Yes. Correct. We do have a draft.

Yes. The reading that was distributed with the Front Street site study was essentially taking the programming and layout from the 40 Highway site, which was originally done by SFS about three years ago now, two years ago now, and verifying that it could be located, front of front of

front

to incorporate it into the site with utilization of the facility being built now to the greatest extent possible.

So I just I'm wondering, I guess, how those conversations are going and how like, I guess, what is being told in those

get a

own

of

business. Going of site is. Programming will be at the site, location, general ideas of what it's going to look like. So the site is set quite a ways back from the roadway. It's got a lot screening and cover and is not overly visible from the roadway. But we continue to have collaborative conversations with the surrounding community, with those folks that attend those meetings, listening to their concerns or questions and working through to address them the best we can.

Because I've been to some of those community meetings that they've held for themselves, and there's just a lot of confusion. And there's language barrier, there's cultural barrier, there's a lot of angst, there is I mean, I just want to make sure that we're being really sensitive to that as we move forward, and we're really working collaboratively.

Yeah. That's that's definitely our intent and and what will be included in the the formal communication outreach that we do.

Because I've, you know, let them know that this would be very collaborative and we're talking to the city manager about this too, making it a very three sixty approach and and having not just hosting individual meetings, but having some online opportunities or other opportunities, some opportunities to go to another place where we would have digital access there as well to be able to comment and provide feedback. That's not just a meeting at 04:00 on a Tuesday that not everybody can attend.

We'll work with Parsons on that,

on the online met with Parsons. So we've been going through that. So thank you.

Absolutely. Thank you. Can you go back to the slide that shows the actual living quarters or where the peep where individuals will be sleeping? Okay. Thank you.

Mister Martin, you mentioned the Highway 40 report that how we could ensure that what was being planned for the Highway 40 facility could be utilized for the Front Street facility. Can you send us more information and more detail around that? Because I want to know the specifics of what we were asking them to do. Was it just a square footage situation? Or did it also include the interior of what we expected it to look like?

Yes. So the original forty hour report was primarily based on programming space requirements, I believe. Ms. Reyes was more involved in that point. So it was a 5% design, essentially, a very high level layout.

So they essentially took that programming space requirement and verified if it could fit on the current site. So once we move forward with the actual design of the facility with Trainer, that's when we'll get into the details as to what the interior spaces look like, how they function. So one thing with this picture here, so this is of the steel cells within there. We have I'm looking at this array, we have about 36 steel cells on there, but we also have three dormitory style units as well that will house up to 24 individuals each. So this is just a portion of what it looked like.

The dormitory style areas have not been built out yet as we're just now doing the wall framing. So but yes, we'll I'll definitely provide we can provide the study that was done by SFS previously, and we can distribute the front street site evaluation to you as well. So that was I believe the city manager sent that out on Friday as well.

The 5% design, he sent that out on Friday?

Excuse me, sorry to interrupt. No, did not. He sent out the front street site layout to verify that the programming space could fit within the site. So but we'll definitely distribute the 40 Highway site. I believe it's on the city website under the with the previous information, but we'll verify that and we'll definitely send that link out to everybody.

And you mentioned that there would be this was at an earlier time. You mentioned that city council members would be going to see one of these sites. Has that site visit been conducted yet?

It has not been conducted yet. It's currently being planned as part of the efforts that trainer will engage with. And so they're putting together some draft agenda now that we can then refine and then send out to gauge interest from council members to tenants. Atlanta? Yeah. That's correct. So the currently one they're looking at, I believe, is in the Atlanta, Georgia area.

And I just for the record, because many of the individuals who are under our care from a criminal justice municipal criminal justice perspective are third district residents, and so it is important for there to be a third District representation on that site visit. I am extremely concerned about this setup without any windows. I am curious. Are we doing a review of the code? Because before, we were outsourcing our the our beds to Vernon County and Johnson County, there were individuals who had housing violations that were sitting in jail.

But because the supply dried up, those is more violent offenders that go to municipal jail. Now that we have increased number of beds, we need to review should someone who has code violations be sent to this facility. Has that work been done from a codes perspective? Are we looking at that and bringing up bringing to the council from the city manager's perspective changes? Because I'm very concerned about the elderly who have been jailed to be in this ice like detention facility.

I'm extremely concerned because the day that we passed this to say we were going to move forward, we also, as a counsel, said that you know, we were preventing the federal government from building these types of facilities, but it's okay for us to build these type of facilities. What is the cost for this this facility?

So all in on this, we're a little over $25,000,000 including the facility construction and the site work that's being done out there.

Okay. So $25,000,000 And then further, we need to be very clear on whether or not this is going to be permanent or it's going to be, temporary. So what's the lifespan of this facility? How long does this would this last?

So, with that's one part of the analysis that was done within the Front Street site study that Treynor put forward. So the steel cells themselves as well as the metal pre engineered metal building have a twenty five year plus life span. Some of the interior finishes are not do not have that same life span just due to the nature of this particular project and the need to construct it quickly. So there will be additional maintenance requirements for those components if this were to be utilized long term. So that's part of the analysis, part of the design work that will be in that next phase of the trainer contract will be to determine how to best and most cost effectively reutilize this facility within the city for beneficial use and incorporation into the total complex for the CCRC.

When you say CCRC, what does that stand for?

Community Corrections and Rehabilitation Center.

That's right.

Okay. So you mentioned that within three to five years we were going to be building another facility. Can you please provide clarity?

So the intention is to construct the CCRC once the design is completed. So the trainer will complete that design over about the next twelve months and then move into construction following that is the intent. And

do we still have the 40 Highway site as a place where that's going to be constructed?

The council direction provided via ordinance earlier in January was to not exercise the option to purchase on that site and to incorporate the CCRC into the current front street suite.

Okay. Therefore, in which I I this is the reason why the skepticism is here. First, number one, say that there this is a temporary facility, therefore, will be no art. Then number two, you say there's gonna be three to five years, but we don't have a place to put it. We're gonna design it. So you want the taxpayer to believe that there's actually going to be another facility in three to five years and this isn't the permanent facility? Is that what you're asking us to go and tell our constituents?

Our our our intent is to design the permanent CCRC at the Front Street site.

Okay. And so this will be so where will that where will that actually occur? Where will that do we have the land for that? Do you have a picture of where that's going to be?

Yeah. So it's it's it's shown laid out on the on on the Front Street tow lot site.

Okay. Is that here?

No.

Okay. So we don't have a picture of that today? That's not do do you have

I don't believe it. We don't have a picture of that site in the in the presentation, no. But it's it's part of the report that, training completed for the Front Street site.

That's on that we got sent on Friday?

Correct. Yes.

Okay. So the CRC is going to be the real facility. And what's what's the anticipated cost of that?

Right now, I believe the the analysis was it was gonna be 151,000,000 for the, the construction of the CCRC and then approximately another $18,400,000 for the relocation of the tow lot, which we required due to it being placed at this site.

So can you send us what we would need to be doing now in order to have that site ready to go in the next three years? Like, what should the council be doing today to add that additional CRC? You said that the design is gonna take a year if there's anything else that we need to be doing. And then finally, Mr. Chair, I just had questions about the community engagement that's being done.

Before when we did the community engagement, we were very thoughtful, as the councilwoman had mentioned some of the things that needed to be to ensure needs to be present for meaningful and thoughtful community engagement. We utilized city staff to help to facilitate those. I'm interested in knowing who is on that community engagement team as we did have members from our municipal jail. We had members from our court system that were there, members from public works to talk about the site. When we're going out to do these sessions, who is there to ensure that they all of the bases are covered?

Yep. Yeah. We can definitely provide that the list of that team to you. So

You'll provide the list?

We can we can send that to you.

Okay. Alright. Thank you. Mhmm.

Councilwoman?

I guess I'm seeing the next steps here. So we because of the expedited timeline and process, we waived some MBEWB, we waived LEED certification, we waived 1% for the Arts. How does that transition if we transition this into a permanent facility?

So the lead requirement was waived for all facilities funded through the public safety sales tax, I believe, was the language in the ordinance. But the 1% for ART and the MBWBE will apply to that. Those programs will be applied to this CCRC project. So MBWBE is already part of the design contract that the trainer has in place and will continue for the life of that. And then as we move forward with a construction contract, we'll apply those same program to that as well per the city code ordinances.

Okay. That's great. Prevailing wage, all of those things, because I want to make sure that does transition into the permanent facility for sure. So where are we, I guess, within are we going to still strive for LEED certification? Are we going to still strive for using the 1%? Yes.

I mean. We will still incorporate

And what is the 1% the art. Expedited process and that we're just waiving all

the contracts?

We will have 1% for art on the permanent facility. So $150,000,000 that's 1% of that Well, of the construction cost, so a little bit less.

So just to piggyback on that, why wouldn't the $25,000,000 that we're spending on this temporary jail be included in the final assessment of all the monies

that

are spent on this as part of the arts program, the 1%. I mean, in my view, it should be a part of the entire project.

And that's obviously something we can move into. I would rather defer and incorporate that art into the CCRC construction as to as opposed to what's being constructed now just to ensure that it fits within the total campus.

I'm not saying it goes into the temporary jail, but I think the temporary jail cost is all part of the CCRC project.

We could definitely include that as part of the Something afford in the 1%. So yes.

I mean, I think that's we have that ability to vote on that, I would assume. Yes, counsel.

Thanks. Were you done? Yes. What first, I just want to make sure that CCRC and CRC have been used interchangeably, and

those are

not the So, same just to put that out there. But these questions that we're all asking right now, 1% for R, lead, MBE, WBE, all these things are the reason why I initially voted no on the change from so it was an act of counsel, not not a staff decision to to move from

That's

right. Permanent facility on Highway 40 to this as our permanent facility. So it's not that it's not that I don't it's not that I disagree with finding ways to save a substantial amount of money. It's that we had all of these questions and waivers, and it sounds like there's maybe a path forward to figuring that out. But we didn't have those answers when we voted back in January to make this change, and that's a pretty big change to make without going through these things.

So, I just wanted to highlight that and thank staff for continuing to think through those, but it seems like we're still kind of like, well, we think it's going to be here. We still may come back and buy the property from the county. But we as a council need to get it together, figure these things out, and that's on us. That's on us to figure out. So I just wanna throw that out there and challenge ourselves to be a little more thoughtful about this rather than I think it

definitely needs a lot more conversation among

the the full counsel. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. I do appreciate this update, though, in in the committee level, so I thank the chair for putting this on. My only other issues, again, I'm more so concerned about this facility and how it's conducive to human development that rehabilitation.

Well, it's not.

It's not.

And so yeah. And so I I have this concern because of the, you know, we have we're in a mental health crisis. Our, you know, code allows for, you know, folks to be in this facility for up to six months. There's no windows.

We we do have skylights.

In each room, there's And every window is at the top.

So there are requirements for natural light, and we per per the code.

But can you go back to those photos? Because we looked around

They haven't been cut in yet.

So the whole Okay. We did the drone, and then this There

are look like. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we're we're gonna cut in those those skylights, and those are also part of the smoke evac system. So it's it's a it's a giant thing that's gonna go above each housing area.

And then how are we and I do agree. This is a council decision, so I hope that this doesn't come across as being upset or challenging the staff because you're essentially doing what we what we asked to do, so I do wanna acknowledge that. However, the the the public deserves to know the details of this as well, and this is why it's important to drill down on this. So find the only other final thing, you talked about the natural lighting. Can you provide us with some standards around, you know, from a municipal jail perspective, what are the standards?

I know that we're this is the urgent situation. We're trying to, you know, improve our situation with Vernon County, but we still have to be stewards of providing

Mhmm.

The appropriate care for these individuals that helps them towards rehabilitation, whether we're doing it urgently or permanently. And then I know I keep saying finally, but for real finally, the issue around the public trust that we're actually going to build a permanent facility when this one, in fact, has a twenty five year lifespan. I see this here that the the timeline here, but I just would like to know more about how do we secure this facility from a council perspective and providing us policy guidance this is not for today, but in the few in the near future of how do we cement this permanent facility before this counsel changes over. So thank you.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah.

Thank you.

We'll get those out. Appreciate your update. Thank you very much. Thank you. And that'll

Appreciate it.

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