City Council - Regular Meeting

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[Music] United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing for a prayer.

Oh God, the one who hears us when we call to you. You are good, true, and right. We can wander away from you. May your mercy draw us back to you. We want to give opportunity for our fellow citizens to grow as individuals and contribute to this community. Give us strength to make difficult decisions, ones that put others ahead of our own selfish desires, which will result in benefit for those in need. Please give us insight by your wisdom to choose well in our meeting tonight. Our desire is to honor you in the discussion and the decisions made tonight. Amen. Amen.

You may be seated. Thank you. We call to order our regular city council meeting, Tuesday, October 7th, 2025. Uh item number two is public comments, committee announcements, and recognitions. Uh we do have two public comments, but they are on an agenda item, so we will wait uh until that agenda comes up. Uh and then also on public comments, committee announcements. Uh, I believe we have a proclamation for domestic violence awareness with Wings of Hope. We have Coy McPeek. There's Coy. Mayor, I don't I don't see Koi. We can pull off on the side. Come back if she

Yeah, come back in. We can do it. All right. So, that will be later on today, I guess. Uh, item number three is the consent agenda. Uh items A through F. Any questions or concerns on those? Move approval of the consent agenda. Okay. Second. We have a motion in a second. Any questions, comments on the consent agenda? All right. If there are none, please cast your votes. All right. All right. Unanimous approval for all those present on the consent agenda. Items A through F. Mayor, I would ask that we go back to item number two and proclamation to

No, I'm just kidding. Coy walked in at 6:32 and 30 seconds. So, we run a tight ship here. No. Okay. Uh, yes, absolutely. Uh, Coy, if you'll please join me at the podium. Okay. Turn my phone off here. All right. go ahead and present this to you and we will get a picture here in a second so you can look at the pretty certificate while I read okay

the copy. Um whereas domestic violence awareness month is designed to support victims of the domestic violence in their time of greatest need. And whereas Oklahoma is consistently ranked as one of the states with the highest rates of domestic violence. And whereas unhealthy relationships can have a lifelong negative impact on personal health and children's health. And whereas we can break the cycle of domestic violence before it starts by equipping equipping families with skills for healthy relationships. Whereas parents, community leaders, civic organizations, and schools are an integral part of providing safety or providing safe, healthy, and positive support systems for survivors. I can't see this. Sorry, this microphone's right in the middle of my vision as I'm looking at it. Now, therefore, I, Adam G. Rob, mayor of the city of Guthrie in the great state of Oklahoma, recognize the need to honor and support domestic violence survivors in Guthrie, Oklahoma, and hereby declare October as domestic violence awareness month.

Thank you. [Applause] All right. Perfect. Thank you very much. Thank you.

All right. Okay. Uh I think we're on item number four. Yep. Okay. Right. Right. Item number four is items removed from the consent agenda. There were none. Uh agenda item number five, presentation and acceptance the fiscal year 2024 annual financial statements and independent auditors report. Um I believe we have Kim is who's uh Kirk Vanderlice with Engle and Company will join us via Zoom. There he is.

There we are. That's Kim Digs. Now, after the presentation, after the presentation, I'll just ask that you accept it. Um, accept it as presented. All right, Mr. Vanderlice, can you hear us? Nope, I don't think so. Blink if you can. Can't hear us. Okay, maybe we can't hear you. If you can hear us, we we cannot hear you. Yes. Yeah, [Laughter] you can hear us. I can. Okay. Um Okay.

Well, good evening. My name is Kirk Vanderlife with Hinkle and Company and happy to be here to present the September 30th, 2024 audited financial statements. Um we conducted our audit in accordance with generally accepted auditing standards. Management's responsible for the financial statements. Our job is to express an opinion on those financial statements and happy to report that we have a clean unmodified opinion on the financial statements themselves. We also have a clean opinion on internal controls with no deficiencies noted and then also clean opinion on compliance with federal programs. Uh this year uh due to the scopes and amounts there was two major programs that we selected and tested. the CO 19 corona virus state and local fiscal recovery funds. [Music] present the September 30th, 2024 audited financial statements. Everything's still good. I changed the view there.

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Okay. Great. Well, again, my name is Kirk Vanderlice with Hinkle and Company. Happy to be here to present the September 30th uh 2024 audited financial statements. Um I always remind that we we conducted our audit and courts general accepted auditing standards and management's responsible for the financial statements. Our job is to express an opinion on those financial statements and happy to report that we have a clean unmodified opinion on the financial statements and we also have a clean opinion on internal controls with no deficiencies noted. Um and then a clean opinion on compliance with federal programs. This year we selected two major programs uh for testing based on scope and size. They were the Corona virus uh state and local fiscal recovery funds and then also the highway planning and construction grants. Both of those had no deficiencies noted and management provided all supporting documentation for those grants and and compliance testing with that. So really overall the audit process this year when um with it being our first year too um uh did really well went really smoothly once we received all the information. Crawford and Associates did a great job and and you have a great team. Um Kim was a great help during the course of the audit. Um the financial statements themselves you do have a a they they look real positive. There's increases in net position on the governmental fund basis of about 2.4 on governmentwide and then on business type activities 3.1 with a total uh governmentwide financials had an increase of uh $5.5 million. So really uh or really had increases in in net position in the

current year. Um so overall the financials look good as as well. Um, you know, with that there there were I always like to remind with governments that you guys are participating in a statewide pension program. Uh, and with pension liabilities, those those liabilities are estimates that are put on the books and and currently you have a an $ 8.8 million liability on the books. That's that's really an estimate and over time will will fluctuate each year to year. So, um do do want to remind that um when looking at these financial statements um happy to answer any questions regarding the audit process, the testing we performed, or the financial statements themselves, or go into any more detail that you'd like to uh questions there.

That's what we want to hear. Yeah. Comments for Mr. Vanderlice. Your honor, I move that we approve the fiscal year 2024 annual financial statement and the novice report as submitted. Okay, we have a motion. Is there a second? Second. Okay, we motion a second. Is there any any further comments though or questions while we have him here? None. Okay. All right. Please cast your votes. All right.

Unanimous approval from all those present um to accept the fiscal year 2024 annual financial statements and auditors report. Uh well, Mr. Vander Slice, thank you very much for your time and and sticking it out with us. Thank you. With with approval, we'll then be uploading it to the state auditors website and that should take care of this year. All right. Thank you very much. Great. Thank you. Have a great evening.

Okay. All right. Item number six, Highland Park Pool presentation. Presentation by Crossland Construction and GH2 Architects on the Highland Park Pool project, including cost analysis as requested by city council. We have is it Aaron Stoops and Daniel Smith?

All right. Well, good evening, council mayor. Um, we've been asked to come up here and uh kind of go through the exercises that we've ran over the past couple months to evaluate certain options uh given the construction and reconstruction of the pool. Uh I believe you guys have uh some copies of this, but just to speak uh on a high level about what we did and what this uh current budget contains. Uh we went ahead and left in the original design for reference. Uh I think you guys have seen that a few times. So wanted to leave that there just as a reference number for what uh that costs and then uh we looked at three different options. uh one being a full replacement of everything that's there currently, structure, concrete, uh the whole nine yards and putting back uh pretty much exactly what was there to the area that was there. Uh that's our column B. Uh we also evaluated repairing the existing um you know that this had been evaluated I think about 2 or 3 years ago. Uh looking at the cost for that, we started to question that a little bit on its validity and I think it warranted the reason to go get a second opinion on it. Uh so we went and and uh pulled in a different subcontractor and got a second opinion on the evaluation of repairing what's currently there. Uh prices came back a little bit better than I think the original evaluation with it. Uh along with that we provided a a third option uh to it column D uh which is basically retrofitting what they call a Murtha liner a Murtha pool system uh to the current construction. This would be less invasive to the current structure. Not much demo required. It's uh basically if you were to put a liner on your own pool at home, right? It's going to water tightness and protect what's there uh without getting into concrete work and and a lot of different things like that. So, uh we we evaluated those three options. Uh pretty much everything else in the budget stays consistent because uh the work on the bath house and uh the equipment room is going to stay the same. So, pretty much everything else uh stayed consistent

with that. The only numbers that you'll see change up there is the numbers for the for the pool options itself. Um so outside of that um you know to I can speak to uh positives and negative pros and cons of of each system or any any direction you guys would like. Why is the liner so much more out of just out of curiosity? Seems like the the total and the liner is the almost the most expensive one.

Yeah, it's close. Uh probably calling it a liner uh probably isn't doing it justice. Um it is a very sturdy system. Uh it basically has a uh if you're looking at the side of the pool, it has a lot of uh bracing that takes pretty much full sheet panels that come down and water watertight lock it. Uh basically it comes with a full integral gutter system uh as well. And it's kind of the Cadillac of them. There's really not many comparable alternates to what they do in terms of retrofitting pools like that. So I'd say they probably have a little bit of a monopoly on it. Yeah. What's the what's the life expectancy of the liner versus doing a full replacement of the concrete? Sure, you you can go for that.

So, the MERA system has a 10-year warranty on the vinyl line liner and then a 25ear warranty on the whole system with the gutter included in that. So, and also to note with the liner, you would still need to replace the equipment, the piping and everything to tie into that. But that liner allows you to keep the shell the current shape of it while providing a new new liner. So you prevent any leaks or anything like that and a new gutter system as well. We have on some of the problems that the pool you can walk out there and just break the concrete. You would replace part of that too or go through that or how how would you handle that?

So anything that's deficient wouldn't structurally hold to it. It would need to be replaced as well. Okay. But if we were to do a liner at 4.3, wouldn't it just make sense to just do full replace at 4.65? Yeah. Um, if it was my money, yes. Yeah. Yeah. What's the life expectancy of that? The full replace. The full replace. Um, yeah. For 25 years. I'd say longer than that. As long as concrete lasts, which I normally like to say is about 30 years. The other one lasted 80 or 90. In this case, 90. Yeah. 80 or 90. how much you want to squeeze out of it. For sure.

Aaron, do you want to speak to the, you know, these numbers are a little bit different than what we had seen previously? You want to speak to the process about this is just a quote. This is just an estimate. Nothing has been competitively bid yet. That won't happen until we have design documents. Once the design's been approved, then we'll know exactly what it will cost.

Um, you want to go through that? And then also on the liner, do you want to tell them where you guys are currently working with that system as well? So, uh, if you're familiar with Elean Bay in Edund, we're currently doing a Murpha system at that pool. So, they can keep the same shape, same function of the pool, but uh, it's being lined, new gutter system to prevent leaks, give it another 25 years of use. How old is their pool? Their their concrete, how old is it? their current pool uh it opened in 2002 so it's 23. So the structure itself is good compared to ours. It's much

stronger which would accommodate a lining possibly better than that. Right. That one's got some special conditions going on, but we are replacing the pool deck, but the shell of the pool is remaining the same, and we are installing the new gutter system and liner with a new deck. So, on the original design here at 2.3, which one is that? Is that A? Yes, that's option A. That's option A. Yes. Okay. What's What's the difference? Can you explain to us the difference again between the full replace and repair existing?

Yeah, the full replace is is coming and ripping out all concrete, all decking. You'd be left with a dirt hole pretty much and then coming back building a brand new pool. Okay. And then repair existing would just be opening it up in certain spots. Repair existing is is demolishing approximately about half of it. Um the lower end of the pool is where most of the problematic area are areas are. And I guess you could quilt it if you want, but what this price includes is pretty much ripping it out in in whole half of it and then the other half is a few spot areas that are problematic. So it's it's replacing it structurally and then you would come in and do more of like a plaster that you'd be accustomed to and typical inground pool that would then cover all the repaired concrete and create that watertight barrier.

Uh on that one, how long would it be until you start having trouble again on the repair? Yes, sorry. I think they were saying probably somewhere in the seven five to five to 10 years I think is what they were saying. Oh wow. And this would be all ADA too, right? Of course. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Which you can solve either by zero depth entry or a ramp of some sort. Okay. Aaron, if you'll take an opportunity to talk about the quotes process and how this has to be competitively bid.

Yeah. So, uh, you know, choosing the construction manager route just in general is about, uh, us being able to come in and and help with projection of pricing estimates, constructibility, uh, allows us to look at jobs early, uh, when they're in the design phase, guide them through budgetary means. And to do that, uh, while we have tremendous amounts of cost data, uh, we rely on our industry partners to help us, uh, get it get that sneak peek, what we call budgets, estimates, uh, call it what you will in that time, we we use our trade partners to help us out with scopes that we don't perform, right? So something like a pool is a specialized trade, uh, to get information on what they cost today, what they cost tomorrow, what they cost 10 years ago, we have to call on these people for help. Uh there's not a tremendous amount of pool people in the area, pool subcontractors or a few that are good enough for commercial construction or pools this size. Uh so our pool, pun intended, uh is limited whenever it comes to asking that. But in this phase, these are certainly just budgetary numbers. Uh we pride oursel on accuracy at that time. Uh but the goal is to guide the decisions that you guys have to make that Eddie the project team has to make uh till we get to bid day which ultimately on bid day we're going to take a set of documents that GH2 produces uh based on what everybody decides and we're going to put it to the market to publicly bid. At that point the lowest most responsive subcontractor uh will be recommended to you guys in what we call a GMP. That's a guaranteed maximum price. So not until that day is any price final.

Yeah. Cool. Well, I don't I don't know exactly what I was expecting, but I was I was expecting something higher than this actually. So, I'm actually quite

And I I think that's what kind of got us to this place originally is is reviewing the Kther's report from 2 or 3 years ago. I think that set a very high expectation that these should be a lot higher cost than than maybe what we're seeing. Uh definitely the Mera line liner broad wasn't even really an option. You know, maybe at that time that's developed quite a bit. that I know built a the school with a pool in it 10 years ago and they they used a mirth liner wasn't near what costs that you know that it is today. So um but yeah I was uh decently surprised as well. I think that u you know we we've reached out to other subcontractors to get a different view on this one. Sometimes uh you know and you got to think these these subcontractors they have no guarantee of getting this project. They're not getting paid anything for it. uh they're providing this help uh you know free and of their will and and uh some of them put a little bit more effort into giving us accurate pricing than others. So uh we decided to reach out to others with this one, get a different opinion on it and this is the reflection of it. We hope that kind of represents what happens when you put it to market, right? Put it in a a public bidding atmosphere and all of them have to compete against each other and put that lowest price out there. Excellent. So, some of the reduction could actually come under special construction probably, right? I mean, when it gets put to bid. Obviously, you don't know what it's going to be.

Uh, but that's the biggest number in the budget. 2 million 2.5. Yeah, certainly. We call that 2.8. Mhm. So, what you're what I'm hearing is C would just be wiped right off the board, right? I mean basically in your in terms of value for longevity I would assume so. I'm glad you included it though because that was a large question. Why don't we just repair what's there especially since it was brothers had said that essentially wasn't even an option. Well, so to even see what it looked like,

but in essence with the Murtha liner, that's what you're doing anyway is repairing what's there pretty much. Yeah, you're utilizing what's there. And you know, like I said, it it you have to evaluate, you know, what is that 300 what is it 30 or so,000? Is it is it worth it or not? And in some cases, it it may not be and you have to live within the budget that you have. So, well said. Like we all have to live that. Right. All right. Well, I'm very satisfied and happy with this summary. I appreciate you guys doing the work and presenting that to us tonight. Certainly.

Uh any any other questions or comments for Mr. Stoops, Mr. Smith? We appreciate it. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Please reach out if you guys have any other questions. Be happy to happy to answer them. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Item number seven is the fire department generator purchase. Fire Chief Dane Lawson.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um if you recall back in October of 24, we were awarded a FEMA grant to purchase a new generator for the station. Um we had a small delay because just with any other grant by the time you get awarded um you get some bids and they're above what the grant was awarded. Um we were awarded 105,000 and the bids came in about 130 140. Um so now we've uh we're going to order the generator oursel and try to complete some of that work ourselves. Um so I will be coming back to you um for install quotes um that we've received. Um some some of them have been between 30 and 40. So that would put us below our awarded amount. Um so we're still working diligently on that. Um so expect them to come back for an install um if we're approved to purchase this generator tonight. Um the generator's about 56,000 on a um source well contract. So our portion is going to be about 14,000. Um so with that staff recommended approval at this time.

Some moved. Second. Okay. Motion a second. Any further questions or comments? If not, please cast your votes. I'll vote. Unanimous approval for the fire department generator purchase. Thank you, chief. Thanks. Uh, item number eight, agreement with GH2 architects for fire station number two, uh, AIA B133-209 with addendum. Mr. Faulner.

Yes, mayor and council. This is an agreement with GH2 architects for the design and construction of fire station number two. Um they GH2 was the second highest score in the response to the RFP that was put out excuse me for this project and staff would recommend approval. Be happy to answer any questions. So moved. Second. We have a motion and a second. If there's no further questions or comments for the city manager, when would this start? Do you know? We our kickoff meeting is in here Thursday afternoon. So

Okay. I'll try to ask. guess much better relationship than previous. [Music] Yeah, I think so. GH2 uh has has lots of experience building fire stations, public safety buildings. Uh we've been more than pleased with them on the past projects that they've completed or working to complete here in the city of Gary. So looking forward to seeing what they bring. Yes, ma'am. Nice. Okay. Any other comments or questions for Mr. Faulner? Okay. If not, cast your votes, please.

All right. Unanimous approval for the agreement with GHC architects for fire station number two, AIA B133-2 2019 with addendum. Uh item number nine, we are going to skip for this meeting and that will be on the next correct or

possibly. And just to give you just real quick on that, um the the only architectural that's required is for the restroom facility in the concession building. Um the folks over at GH2 took a look at what we had in the drawings, came back to us and said, you know, you might you might not need us on this yet. So you're saving us money in that regard. So we may not need to contract with them for this. If we do, we will come back to you. So at this time, no action. All right. Thank you. Okay. Item number 10, resolution number 2025-13, application to Oklahoma 911 Management Authority for GIS funding. Police Chief Don Swagger.

Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I've been over 911 management for more than 20 years. And after a meeting at ACOG the other day, I found out that we are required to be submitting quarterly updates on our GIS mapping, which to the best of my knowledge, nobody does. But the 911 Management Authority also offers a 100% grant for it. We've got the grant completely filled out. The last thing we need is this U resolution. Essentially, it's going to take about 245 days. So, the grant will pay for the people to come down do all the work. That's going to be about 82 $85,000. Um, and then they will handle the quarterly updates for the year following that. Then we will have to

begin pay for paying for it after that. It's not something that's super expensive, but it's obviously something that needs to be done. What they do is they come in and make sure that um all the data points tie to a house somewhere, right? We have so much development inside the county and we're responsible for the county as the as the only uh true 911 PAP. So we'll be doing Crescent and Mohall and Orlando and every other thing, you know, north and south, west in Logan County. All right. Um and I can tell you we have a lot of stuff that just doesn't match up because the the construction has boomed and we haven't done anything about mapping. Motion to approve. Second.

Second. I'll also state that in the county, Logan County, developers are not required to provide you the county with a plot plan or plat platted map. So, in my travels, extensive travels in district two. I see many housing developments that aren't there on your map. Yeah. So, so people understand this is foot boots on the ground. people going out there and staking this address, this street so that when a call comes in, first responders can type have that in their system immediately. Correct. And go to that location. Yes, sir. I got that from talking to him today.

And I appreciate your time. Yes, sir. Okay. Is there any other further questions, comments for the chief? Believe we have a motion on the table with a second. So, if there's no further questions or comments, please cast your votes. All votes. Okay. Unanimous approval for resolution number 2025-13, application to Oklahoma 911 management authority for GIS funding. Thank you, Chief. Item number 11, resolution number 2025-14, Memorial Fishing Bench at Liberty Lake, public works director, Mr. Maker.

Yes, mayor and council. Uh the family of Kyle Wayne Scruggs has uh requested that a memorial fishing bench be placed in the name of uh his honor at Liberty Lake. We presented this to the Guthrie parks and urb urban forestry board. Um they have reviewed and requested uh recommendation and approval to city council in accordance with the resolution number 2015-09. So moved. Second. We have a motion to second. No further comments or questions. Please cast your votes. All votes are in.

All right. Unanimous approval for resolution number 2025-14 Memorial Fishing Bench at Liberty Lake. Should be nice. Uh item number 12, appointment to the Guthrie Parks and Urban Forestry Board. Mr. Maker again. Yes. Um, Guthri Parks and Urban Forestry Board currently has one vacancy uh created by the resignation of Steven Harrison on September 29th of 2025. Caleb Lambeath has submitted an application to serve and fill the above mentioned vacancy. The term will expire on June 1st, 2026 and will then be eligible for reappointment to a second term if he so desires.

Yeah. I move approval of the nominate mayor's nomination to appoint Caleb Lambeath to the Guthri Parks and Urban Forestry Board. Fill the unexpired term of Steven Harrison expiring June 1st, 2026. Second. Okay, motion and a second. Further comments or questions, please cast your votes. Okay. Approval to appoint Caleb Lambeath to the Guthrie parks and urban forestry board. He'll do great. Uh item number 13, appointment to the Guthrie Historic Preservation Commission. Dan Kasich.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, City Council. Uh, perfect segue. Uh, with the resignation from, uh, the parks board, Stephen Harrison was eligible for the planning commission uh, uh, representative on the historic preservation commission. So the uh request would be to uh appoint him to the historic preservation commission under the planning commission position uh for an unexpired term through March 31st of 2026. Your honor, I move approval of the mayor's nomination to appoint Steven Harris to the planning position to the Guthrie Historic Preservation Commission to fill an unexpired term through March 31st, 2026. Second. Okay.

Motion in a second. There's no further comments or questions, please cast your votes. All votes are in. And it's approval for the appointment to the Guthrie Historic Preservation Commission of Steven Harrison. Okay. Dan's going to be up here for a little while, isn't he? At least a couple more. Uh item number 14, ordinance number 3426, the resoning of 8 acres on West Lakewood Drive from R1 to A1. Mr. Caseasich again.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Again, city council. Uh yeah, this is on our far uh western side off of Lakewood Drive just east of Academy. Uh the parcel's 8 acres. It's currently zoned R1. Uh the applicant was looking to have more agricultural related privileges such as livestock in that. So they're looking to reszone to egg. Uh the planning commission had recommended approval uh 40 to reszone from R1 to A1. Move approval of ordinance 3426 reszoning 8 acres on West Lakewood Drive from R1 residential one to agricultural one district.

Second motion in a second. Are there any questions or what does that do to uh potential uh construction in that area? I don't think there's a whole lot going on out there anyway. No, cuz uh it's still limited to at most two houses on a given lot uh in A1. So, we're looking at single family development of large lots. So, uh again, it's not a subdivision where they're going in and put Is that what they're going to do? Is they're going to build on it? Is that the plan?

Oh, yeah. They Yeah, the one both owners are out of town and they bought property and they're looking to build a single family residence on there. And again, they wanted to have livestock privileges. So they could have horses. The one wanted more than eight chickens, which R1 limits it to uh in that. So it was just to have more agricultural uses that are typical with the large lots, but it doesn't affect the surrounding areas. No. Yeah. No. And hopefully not a bunch of barnaminiums. Well, that's what my next question. Were they homes on a on a lot in A1, right? Yeah. But the barnaminium residential.

Yeah. Right. the barnaminium uh portion as long as it's five acres or more, you can do that regardless of zoning uh in that. So, these properties could have a barnaminium on them because they're more than 5 acres. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about two homes per lot, right? That would be the maximum per the zoning. R1 allows one, A1 would allow two. Okay. You going to say something? Okay. Okay. Anything else? All good down here. Good.

All right. Well, there's been a motion and a second. So, if nobody else has anything else for Dan on this particular item, please cast your votes. All votes. Right. Unanimous approval for ordinance number 3426, the resing of 8 acres on Westlakewood Drive from R1 to A1. Uh item number 15, ordinance, ordinance number 3427, the reszoning of 20 acres of the southeast corner of West Lakewood Drive and South Academy Road from R1 to A1. Mr. Casey.

Thank you, Mayor. Uh city council, this is the exact same area. It's literally adjacent to the previous one. The only difference is this is a 20 acre parcel. Uh but for the same reasons they're looking to go to egg uh cuz they want to have livestock uh privileges on the property which R1 doesn't allow. Uh the planning commission had recommended approval of this one uh as well. 40 move approval of ordinance 3427 resilient 20 acres of the southeast corner of West Lakewood Drive and South Academy Road from R1 single family dwelling district to A1 general agricultural district. Second. Right. We have a motion in a second. Is there no questions or comments for Mr. Kasich? Cast your votes.

I'll vote. Right.

Okay. And ask approval for ordinance number 3427, the reszoning of 20 acres at the southeast corner of West Lakewood Drive and South Academy Road from R1 to A1. Thank you, Dan. Uh item number 16, resolution number 2025 uh 07, amendment to board and commission policy removing term limits. This is me. Um so just to we just approved some people for these boards and commissions a little bit earlier a few minutes ago. Um we have a lot of a we have a lot of boards and commissions that provide expert guidance and oversee certain aspects of our community. and we have the historic commission, we have the planning commission, we have the parks board, etc. Uh the way the process works is that the mayor is tasked with finding and then nominating certain individuals for these positions and then this individual is then approved by this council. U these individuals then serve on their respective boards for up to two years or three years or however long the terms are for those particular boards. Um so here's the here's the problem. Um there's not a lot of people that's just beating down the door to serve on these boards uh being the person that's tasked to find them. And uh the issue is you find somebody that actually is passionate about being on there and they come on the planning commission. They have a master's degree in architecture and they get on there and they're new and they get going. they finally get the hang of it and then they're good at it and they're an expert at it and then I got to let them go and then I got to go out and find somebody and beg somebody to be on it that doesn't want to be there and that might not be qualified. Um, so that's that's the issue with that. Um, this would not removing the term limits would not mean this is like a lifetime appointment like some federal judge or anything. They still have to be renewed every three years. They have to be appointed by this council every three years. And if there's any issue with any

particular individual on a commission or a board, this body up here can remove them at any point. So their terms have to be renewed every 3 years or two years. Uh if there's an issue, they can be removed. But this will remove but this here is removing the um the idea that they can only serve two terms and then be done. And so, uh, with that, I will put it out for questions or comments. So, like on the parks board, you still have a bunch of openings there, right? Uh, no. That board that got filled fine. That got filled. Yeah.

Because several years ago, this interfered with filling those positions. I had a neighbor that was wanting to stay on the parks board and he wasn't able to and he was kind of like what you're saying, just real good at it. Yep. I mean, it was his forte and he just had to move on. So, yeah. I motion to approve that. We did it a long time ago. Uh and I don't think it was a a great idea at the time. I'll second that. Okay. Any further questions? Dan, do you want to speak on this at all since you're over a lot of the you don't have to say?

It's the point that was brought up is sometimes or not. Sometimes we get or people on the boards that do really good. They're very knowledgeable, very passionate, and it is unfortunate that they have to leave because because uh they're turned out uh in that. So, we can help in a lot of ways on all our boards to retain good people. Yeah. And like I said, it's not a lifetime thing. They they still have to be renewed every 3 years and then if there is an issue, this this council can vote with the majority and have them removed. So, we got a motion and a second. Do we have a second? Yes, I'll second. Oh, you second it. Okay. All right. We have a motion in a second. If there's any any further questions or comments from anyone?

No. Okay. All right. Please cast your votes. Votes are.

Okay. Unanimous approval for amending to the board and commission policy removal term limits resolution number 2025-07. Uh item number 17, trapneuter release TNR consent form. discussion, consideration, and possible action regarding the trap, new to release TNR consent form, including review of language options and possible revisions. Uh so we uh passed a trap new to release uh program uh not too long ago and then city staff had made brought it to our attention that some of the language that's on the form that is handed out to residents that will have to be participating or not have to but that are having an issue with feral animals on their property. the the consent form that is given to them uh the language of that was not quite cohesive with the actual ordinance itself. So what this um uh consent form now will do is it will the the language has been revised with one sentence from what I've seen. There's only one sentence change that's added this conf consent form to be cohesive with the ordinance that we actually passed. um that specific part was that unlike some communities where there's an issue with a feral cat problem in a neighborhood and then someone calls and says hey I want them removed and they remove them all they spay they neuter them they bring them back immediately uh what we are doing is we will come we will remove the animals and not return them and then the second time if there is a proven vacuum effect where multiple cats come back in in two or three weeks okay well how we will initiate the the return portion of that program uh to cut down on the population from 120 to hopefully two. Um, so this uh sentence that is being added is just reiterating what is in the ordinance uh that you

will be able to refuse having them come back one time. And with that I will but let me didn't you also add that it's residential was that yes that's so my question second part to that. Yeah. So my legal question on that is Billy is that legal? The reason we have the consent form is that we need permission to go on somebody's property. We don't have the right to go on private property. But what do you consider private property? So from the city's perspective, there's two types of property. There's city owned property and there's all other property. Exactly.

So private property in this situation, it's hard to distinguish between private property and say the schools, county owned property, stateowned property. That's still public property, but it's it's not property that we have control over. So we really can't distinguish between that. The only two things we can distinguish between our city owned property which we can do whatever we want. We can access at any access at any time all other property we're going to have to have consent or legal cause to be on. So I guess the big question is are we do we open our up ourselves to liability if we call all property I mean if we call u all property other than residential where you reside public property. Do we open ourselves up to a lawsuit potentially?

I think we open ourselves to a lawsuit if we don't have land owners consent to go onto the Exactly. So, for example, Walmart, um, Bronze, any of them, they're we consider them public, but they're really private. Yes.

And they are privately held. you and I could be expelled from that property at the will of that owner uh and told to never come back. So that's what my concern is in trying to make this just residential because the the the process of this was for it to be everybody signs off on the consent. Okay. That's that's what the intent was for it. Actually, I worked with you to put it together. Uh so uh and that's where it was blessed to you know so that everybody had an opportunity to do it. I understand there were some issues with the school uh and potentially uh with some federal uh job basically.

So if I can interject I think it's important to recognize that the changing the form doesn't change the ordinance we pass. It doesn't change the ordinance in any way. It just modifies the It modifies the form. The ordinance itself does not authorize because it cannot authorize us to go on private property or property that we don't control. Exactly. So because of that, changing the form only changes whatever the form is addressing. I still think as legal counsel that we need a form that addresses commercial property as well as residential property. I don't think it's sufficient to say we're only going to get consent from John and Mary residential, but I don't think that the second part of this is I don't think there's anything in this form that changes the ordinance that says so.

Well, it's just like at the depot if you weren't involved in council, you had no idea about any of this. Okay? You'd want to give your consent for anything to happen on your property. Uh and now you could do that verbally, but you can also uh there's no issue with doing it in writing. And that was the intent of this form. Mhm. Well, I think I think so. When you called me the other day before you put this on the agenda and we had this conversation, what did you tell me? I don't I don't know what you're talking about cuz you didn't call.

Well, I don't need to call. Um, I will say there's a difference between getting permission for somebody to come on your property and then saying like, "Oh, no. The government can't Well, I didn't get permission, so the government can't come arrest me for the carjacking that I just did." Okay. I mean, there's a difference between the government having the rights to come on to enforce a policy and then you giving consent and coordinating when they can do that, right? It opens up the city to liability is what it does.

Well, okay, but I mean how does Jinx, Hobarts, Sand Springs, Paul's Valley, Ada, Alta, Stillwater, Watanga, Noble, Venita, Salis, Tulsa, Edund, Perkins, Blanchard, Panka City and on and on and on. How do they do it without legal liability? So the the issue with that is uh Deanna was actually researching all that and has a lot of good data on that and unfortunately she has a family issue that she's dealing with and was unable to be here. Yeah. So uh she would be able to address that way more so than Well, she she called me and she mentioned that Norman doesn't do that. Well, then that's why I didn't mention Norman in that list, but I personally spoke to the mayors of Still Water. I personally spoke to the mayor of Sand Springs and they have the exact same thing that we're wanting to put in. Yeah. Well, illegal.

Yeah. Bottom line, the legal consequence is the same for all of us. The city cannot legislate the authority to Well, but but he already said that's what's adding on to this forum. It's not changing any of that, Brian. He's already said he said it's it's going cohesive with what's on the ordinance. I have uh Lisa N signed up for public comment. I'll have you go first if you want to step up and state your name. and just let you if you're a resident here or not.

Um Lisa New, founder of Helping Community Pause and Claus and I'm a resident here Guthrie. Um good evening mayor council. I'm just going to read my I'm just going to read here. My name is Lisa New and I'm founder of Helping Community Paws and Claus. For the past several years, I have been on ground every single day working on trapneuter return, feeding stations, trapping, transporting, and making sure that Guthri communities cats are managed in a humane and effective way. The TNR process is simple. We trap cats. We spay and neuter them. We vaccinate them and return them exactly where they were found. This keeps colony stable, prevents new leaders uh litters and avoids the vacuum effect where removing cats only opens the territory for more unaltered cats to move in. The ordinance as it was originally drafted reflected the simplicity would have made Guthrie a strong model of of humane cat management. However, by adding additional release forms, you've made a mountain out of a mohill. The option allows a one-time removal buyout. The ordinance has become more complex than it should be. That expl that exemption weakens the ordinance. It undermines the effectiveness of the TNR and makes it very difficult to secure grant funding. Most major organizations and foundations will only fund a true non-exempt TNR program. With the ordinance written the way this way, Guthrie risked losing a critical outside funding that could help us do this work at no cost to the taxpayers. What I would like I'm just going to go through that. I urge you to consider removing the ex the uh exemptions and passing a just a straightforward TNR ordinance. Guthrie has an opportunity to be a leader of human uh humane animal management and strong ordinances. we can bring it in the outside grants and supports that we need to make it successful. I also want to clear up some

rumors here in Guthrie about the TNR. There has been a lot of confusion lately about the TNR uh program and the new ordinance. I want to take a moment to explain simple and clearly how it works. How TNR works. We trap cats where they already live with permission. There are state laws. We can't enter on people's property without permission. That would be trespassing. It has nothing to do with this ordinance. That's a state law. We spay, neuter, and vaccinate them. We return them right back to the exact spot. That's there's nothing more or nothing less. Who feeds them? If a cat already has a caregiver, the caregiver continues feeding as they always have. If there's no caregiver, for example, at the park, HCPC sets up and maintains a feeding station. We do not expect neighbors, businesses, or community at large to suddenly become responsible for feeding cats that they did not invite. What an ordinance means, residents are not required to feed or care for cats once they are TNR. The ordinance helps stops the vacuum effect by allowing cats to live out their lives without multiplying. It's if a cat is sick, emaciated, or unable to thrive, we intervene and care care for it and do not return it. The reality this past weekend, we t we tnarrred 45 cats. Nine of them come in with their caregivers. 36 I personally trapped on Friday from homes where families invited me to help because breeding got out of hand. These caregivers continue to care for their cats. Not the community, just them. Too many rumors are turning this simple life-saving process into a simple uh into something that it isn't. TNR is not dumping cats. It's not forcing people to take on responsibilities that people didn't ask for. It's simply preventing further litters, reducing suffering, and allowing communities to live more peaceful with cats. Together,

we can keep this program focused on what it meant to be, stopping the cycle of overpopulation humanely. I just cannot believe how this has turned into something that it's not. It's really a simple process. Brian, I'm not allowed to. We're not allowed to Yeah, it's it's an item on It's open. It's open. I can talk to you directly. This is So, public comments is on the agenda item. It's not It's not a public comment. It's an item on the agenda. So, you can address Okay. Go ahead. Anyway, I just I just wanted to make sure.

I just It's always got to be a fight when it's so simple. It's just a simple thing. And so, let me let me jump in. No, no, I want to finish what I'm saying. So, you hang tight just a second, okay? And I'll give you a minute.

By by playing these games um about you not wanting to do this or throwing all this other stuff in, we're not and we're allowing. So what I say is do a simple TNR ordinance but keep that I said that which that you know I don't like it but we'll do it that simple release form that lets people do a buyout really can't be on the ordinance because it makes the ordinance where we cannot get funding. Okay I know you don't want to do it at all but we've been doing it your way for many many years decades. Okay this is not my way. Okay for starters. Okay. So, I'm

agreed. But let me jump in. We agreed two weeks ago. Okay. To pass this ordinance, okay, with the document within 3 days, 4 days, there was multiple issues cropping up, okay, on what y'all were doing out there. The school was one of them. Huh? The school was one of them. What about the I'm not going to go there right now. So now, if we're going to address things, you're going to tell me what it is. So my understanding is the cats were wanted to be brought back to the school. What? I don't even know what you're talking about. Okay, fine. Then we don't need to go there for the sake of time and the sake of argument. I know that they were

table until Deiana gets back here because she's more knowledged on this than I am. But the one thing is a fact. Okay. We open ourselves up to legal liability. Why? On what? On this form by making it residential. You made the form. I'm talking about by changing it to be residential only because now the commercial people don't have to sign the form. The commercial people I get permission to do and I don't know that I think I think the thing is we don't have a clue about what hold on I'm not done. We don't know that.

Okay. It's just like people Chris for example I use you. Okay. No, seriously. If you wanted to, if you owned the gas station down the street, would you want to be able to sign off on a document that brings the cats back or would you just want to say, "Yeah, just go ahead and do it." No, just leave the cats and let them multiply a million times and then you got 20 cats to feed or you get take my There's an ordinance in place to deal with that if they took the the different channel on it. But again, the TNR thing is You made it difficult because the TNR I'm not making it difficult, Lisa. You are. the it's beyond I mean going back and redoing the ordinance is beyond the scope of the item, right? We're talking about just we're talking about the consent form. That's what we're talking

forming the consent form to the ordinance. The issue on the table is adding residential to the consent form. Oh, residential only on the consent form. Read it. Put it up on the thing. Put it on. It is residential only, right? Okay. That's what's on the agenda. It is okay. residential only, but it it has it doesn't go with what the ordinance says. You've got it on whoever's got it on there saying that they get no buyout. It's it's Will you please explain that what the difference is between what's on the Well, I just the attorney that's what he's trying to do.

Okay. There's contra there. It's con it's contradicting what's on the ordinance and what that form is that was rewrote and we agreed that it would have the same verbiage of the ordinance on that release form and it's not on there. One paragraph is not on there. That's that's the scope of the item is to conform the form to the ordinance. But it's not but it's not by putting residential on it. So, had we had meetings prior to all this instead of airing it out trying to just force it through? We were supposed to have a meeting between now, the last two weeks, and nobody's called me. No, we would already had something done way prior to it even coming on the last agenda. Grant, he couldn't make it. So, he him and Adam.

So, we're not talking about residential. We're talking about the one paragraph. So, if you're going to make me go back to what's going on, then not making you do anything. I don't care to do a bunch of stuff in secret other than just be out and everybody can Well, there is no secret. It's a matter of just in the last meeting I asked our chief are you aware that you're doing the TNR chief and he said absolutely not whatever okay didn't have a clue about it when that came up when you said oh I need to come up with this form too it's a great form and I said no this is your form and you said no I'm not we don't need to go over that again Brian let's I understand we don't need to go over but you brought it up okay so let's I'm going to I'm bring it up and let's go back to the task at hand okay

the task at hand is by putting residential only and excluding uh uh commercial and coming off like commercial is public is not legal. Period. So I might chime in. The original ordinance had language in there that would allow that form to be approved and modified by the city manager from time to time as necessary. I think I think that this form is secondary to the ordinance that we passed. I think the proper way to do this would be go back have everybody involved figure out what the best language for that form would be. I don't know that that fixing the form necessarily needs to be a council function. I don't know either. The form should con conform to And why is it why is it all of a sudden? Wait, what are you saying, Eddie?

It will not be a staff function. But let me ask But let me ask, Adam, why all of a sudden is it why does it need to be fixed? I I was told by city staff that there might be conflicting verbiage with what's on the form with what's on the ordinance. So, I said, "Okay." By whom? What? Who's city staff being edited? Don't be calling people out on city council. Just I'm asking y'all. Hold on a second. I'm having I'm sitting up here, not you. Eddie. Eddie. Okay. Okay. Hey, let's So, if it was you, Eddie, what are we talking about here? Where where it's So, we're going to put residential on the document because it conflicts with the ordinance.

The document was an attachment to the ordinance. So, it was staff's interpretation that it the form doesn't say currently. It doesn't say that residential areas can opt out. The ordinance says that they get to opt out one time, but the form doesn't say that. Correct. So, the first issue we had at Fogerty Elementary, which I'm sure Lisa is aware of the cats at Fogerty, that's the issue there. That's what prompted the conversation. So, for staff clarification, we need the form to match the ordinance. That's that's all we need from a staff perspective. And so, you need to have residential on that form. If we're going to utilize the form, the form should not contradict the ordinance ordinance.

The ordinance, right? That's all I'm saying from a staff perspective. By putting that on there, Billy, does that open us up legally? No, because we've just limited this form to residential use. So, I still would suggest that we have a separate commercial form. Doesn't have to have an optout. Doesn't have to anything. I think we just have a simple consent form for commercial sign that gives us consent. I get consent from every place I go. I get consent, written consent from anybody place that I go.

It just seems to me that we passed an ordinance that everybody was okay with and all of a sudden you found somebody found something that wasn't working the way they wanted it to work. Whether it be I I be getting funding or whether it was doing a TNR at a certain location, be it Fogerty uh or if it was uh JobCore doing something or anybody else doing something. Now we come in and we want to change the document. Okay, that's what it looks like to me. Billy, you just told me the other day that it opens us up to legal recourse by the property owners. That that was a separate question though. Can we if this is just commercial, can we do it or residential, can we do whatever we want on commercial property? The same

the answer is still no. This isn't changing that. This is just making this form just deal with residential. If this form just deals with residential, at some point we probably should come up with or have a form that deals with commercial. Changing the language on this form itself doesn't open this up. If we're just using this form for reser for the ordinance itself, and there's no ordinances that have forms, y'all put that on there and cause all this conflict. We don't even have, like I said, we're making mountains on molehill. Nobody put anything on anywhere. I just came up with a form to protect the Chris Evans of the world. Whatever that made it complicated and on business for made it complicated and everybody else for it, it makes YOUR LIFE COMPLICATED. DOESN'T MAKE MY night ordinance.

What's the problem? I don't see an issue with it. You're my problem. Well, I might be your problem, but you know, you're making this a big problem. Okay? There is no settling or satisfying anything that you ever want to do on this, Lisa. Nothing really really. And there's not ever going to be. And so, but at the end of the day, okay, my understanding is somebody went to Fogerty and said, "No, that's not what this form's for." Okay. This form's for residential only. Was that you? That would be speculation. No, I I just want to know who that was. I don't think that was anything. Somebody was talking to the principal out at Fogerty and that happened. Wasn't me. Our superintendent had to get involved. Why are we even talking about that right now about it? Okay. Well, not everyone is privy to that information.

I'm just asking a question. Well, how about you tell everybody what the Thank you. It's beyond the scope of the item. It's all of a sudden your honor beyond the scope of the item. Okay. We're we're adding one sentence to the form and that this is going to be residential. I'm making a motion to pass um as is here on item number 17 u the change for the language options and the and the and the revision to conform to the ordinance. To conform to the ordinance that's all

I think we need to I think we need to table it and have a conversation with everybody involved which we don't have everybody involved in. We're having a conversation right now. The ordinance that we that you vote make your motion already made it. There you go. But I have a chance to comment right before you all vote on this. Yes, you can. Uh Bonnie Winslow, there is Go ahead.

So, last time I came up here, I said I was really comfortable with the form because I think I felt it covered private property interests. Um because my understanding when I looked at the form was that um unlike the unlike the resolution, if I called, not being a caregiver, if I called and asked for them to have the cats come and be removed um and they uh did a TNR on them, then I would also then have the choice of not having those cats remove returned back to my property. That was my understanding of the form. Did I misunderstand that part of it? No.

That madam correct. So now what I'm hearing in this discussion is the only thing that you're changing I I've heard two things. First I heard we're just going to add the word residential to this form so it applies to me. But then I hear you say, well it's going to conform to the has to conform to the resolution. But the resolution says I get one timeout. That means I get one pass where I call and um they do a TNR. I say I um don't want to be returned. But if that cat shows up again, I can't call up and say uh I it's back here again. I don't want it here. Am I correct? Am I correct in hearing that?

No. No. No. If if if you have a cat taken away and it it either goes to the shelter, it's rehomed or it goes to a barn that that they don't just dump it out at the shelter or runs back to your house. A different cat will show up in two weeks. That is not fixed. That will breed and then cause 90 at your house. That is the correct scenario. That's not the question. I don't care. That's not the question she asked. The technical question you asked. No, she did ask. So, she wants to know if she says no to the cats and has the ordinance said that if they trap cats there again in six months, you have no choice. You have to do a TNR program. Is that what it says?

Well, yeah, that was her question, but but her statement of inside of the question that the same cat would come back and she wants that same cat gone. That is incorrect. Did you say you wanted the same cat back? Yes. Go back to the That is what I said. I mean that that's my because that's how I see I mean that's what this is all about, right? I mean this whole thing is about this cat has been trapped and now it's being returned or not returned. So we're talking about the same cat, right? Yes. But you don't you're saying do you have a right to say no only once, right? That's correct. That's correct. Yes. But but my point is then that doesn't make sense. then that doesn't protect me because

the it it does because here's the deal is you have to take responsibility to ensure that your property is no longer going to be a breeding ground and a vacuum for the cats. So for example, if you have if you have a a outuilding that they're digging under, you need to secure the outbuilding so that they're not coming back. Otherwise, what you're doing is you're placing a burden on the city because we're constantly coming out trapping cats and killing them. Got it. Okay. There's no burden on you. Of course, it's a burden on the city. You have to fix your property so you're not inundated by

trespassing animals. I I see. Well, that's really fasc. Okay. I kill all the birds because that's a deterrent that I mean that's what's bringing those cats in there is they're getting on my property and killing the birds or they're getting on my property because they like the dirt. They like to poop in that dirt.

I'm not a caregiver and and you know I I see this ordinance applying to caregivers but I don't see it applying to a person like me where I just these cats come on my property and I have neighbors who feed those cats but don't really take care of them. So why am I being punished by having to say, "Yeah, they could keep on coming back." That that mean that makes no sense to me. And that's why I agree with this amendment because it covered me. Now it will not cover me. It's not going to cover you now. And on top of that, if you're a business right down the street, it's not going to cover you there either. Yeah. Because now you have to come up with some all kind of new form or just do a word of mouth that this is it's just fine. They're going to come back. No problem.

I Well, I'm telling you this, guys. I'm telling you this right now. If you go the route you're going, you're going to see more cats being killed. You're going to have people in my like in my neighborhood. There's going to be less cats because Well, you're going to see a lot of lawsuits is what you're going to see. Well, you're also going to see people if if those cats come back to that property again that that property owner is going to take them and take them out to the country or they're going to kill them. Okay? They're going to do one or the other. And that's against the law. That's against the law. Well, maybe. But I'm just telling you that's what I mean. People do it all the time. You know, they do it all the time. in the TNR program. Do you want I I do. No. No. I have heard it. I have been coming here for two years. I know the program. I don't even disagree with that. Okay. It's a great program.

Do you want two cats or 120 at your house? No. I want the ability to say no the second time or the third time. I just want the ability to say yes or no. Not that I'm not the caregiver. This is beyond Let me just of the item. This is beyond the scope of the item. I've made a motion in a second. So, all right. So, cast your vote. Wait a minute. Wait. So, she can talk and talk and talk, but I can't get my point across. That's the way they want it. No, go ahead. No, no. Let me just say my my final thought of this is that if you guys decide to do this, the other route I have to take is make it a nuisance cat. Okay, which puts it into a whole different category.

Right now, the way I've looked at terms under nuisance, and they're not real strong. I mean, I'd have a hard time probably justifying that that cat's a nuisance cat. So, my recommendation is if you choose to go this way, and if you do, you do. I mean, really, it's okay. But beef up the nuisance so that cats that continually come on my property, same cat over and over again, even after it's been trapped, not tnard, this is just to the city. If they've been trapped, then I have a way of keeping them permanently off of there. Well, I can tell you I'm going to vote no on changing the form, and that's just a fact. Okay?

Because the form is what protects at least the homeowner. Doesn't protect the neighbors, but it protects the homeowner. So, I'm I'm voting no on changing the form. So, let's just vote. Okay. All right. See, I do want I want to point out something. I met Bonnie two years ago. She called me as her representative and asked me to if I could do something about cats. That's when I brought the ordinance request to stop feeding wild animals. Okay, let me speak. Okay, I don't need your response.

It is a people problem. That's the one thing you said is absolutely true. It's a people and the ordinance we have on the books would address that severely if it was more readily enforced. Not because you have the time, but it would. But the one thing she doesn't speak of is the neighbor between her and the calf breeding factory who wants to remain out of the focus of a nice lady. I worked on her house myself went to the expense of building a 4 and 1/2t 5 foot brick retaining wall around her entire backyard. Had it landscaped, had a water feature put in and everything else. And now she has to reduce the water in her water feature waterfall to keep the cats from using it. That's nonsense. Nobody should have to do that. I leave it with that.

So, there's a motion on the table in a second. Let's vote. Okay, let's go. Cast your votes, please. I'll vote. You're going to shoot. All right. Four to two. You're going to shoot to approve uh where we at on my the amendment to the TNR consent form. You guys just opened us up big time legally and Billy, you know it. Well, we'll let's move forward. So, for two for the approval of the trap new release TNR consent form, language options and possible revisions. Thank you for everyone who took your time out to speak. Thank you. Uh item number 18, city manager report. No report, mayor. Sure. Eddie, you don't want to give a 20-minut speech?

I'm I'm sure I've gone through enough losses tonight. All right. Request comments from city council. I'll start with my right and work my way over. Councilman Le. Good. is good. Vice Mayor Taylor, staff, thank you. You guys really did a good job tonight. I appreciate everybody working hard. I know it's getting to where it's hot, cold, hot, cold. I'm hoping it cools off and you guys don't have to put a lot of time in. I know the it's getting tough. So, other than that, that's it. Thank you, Councilman Agiri. None. Thank you. Uh, Councilman Both. No. And Councilwoman Gibbs.

Okay. Um, the Guthrie haunts is open and it's been said that the uh Guthri Haunts is the best spooka grounds I guess in the state of Oklahoma. So, go check that out. I have a lot of events coming up. Uh, Red Brick Night says Justin, is that done or we still have more? Got one more Red Brick Nights. It's kind of a traveling uh event that goes to different businesses. You know where the next one is? Uh, seven different places. Seven different places. Okay. All right. That's pretty cool. All right. Well, check that out. It's pretty fun. Uh, other than that, that is all I have. And, um, bluegrass coming up, right? Yes. Oh, yes. I forgot that one. Yeah, bluegrass. Yeah, it's this weekend, I think. Yes,

they are looking for volunteers. Oh, they're looking for volunteers. So, do what? Uh, work the front gate. Uh, also help with concessions, uh, t-shirt table, and, uh, also help with the ticketing. Yep. They can contact Stacy Fraser. Who? Stacy Fraser. Stacy Frasier. We can't do it. Oh, there you go.

Okay. All right. Uh, other than that, um, that's all I have. And then item number 20, proposed executive session pursuant to authority of title 20307 as follows. Your honor, I move that we convene an executive session pursuant to the authority of title 25 of the Oklahoma statute section 307, specifically 307B2 for the purposes of discussing negotiations concerning employees and representatives of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge number 105 and 307B1 for the purposes of discussing the employment, hiring, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline or resignation of a public officer or employee, specifically the city attorney, and to conduct an interview for that position. Okay, have a motion. Second

and a second. Ask your votes, please, to go into executive session.

Unanimous approval to go into executive session. Stick around, folks.

Lord was like Chris, can't you write these articles and post them before we even come out of the executive session?

Cool.

We miss. Oh, okay. Back. Your honor, I move that we reconvene after the executive session noting that no action was taken. Okay. Second. We mean to come in from vote to come in. Yeah, we're going to vote to come. That is that's it. That's the vote. Okay. All right. Please cast your votes.

All vote. unanimous approval to come out of executive session. Uh let's see. Item number 22, Fraternal Order of Police Lodge number 105, fiscal year 202526 collective bargaining agreement. Uh Eddie, there's no there's no action. No action on that. So uh we don't vote on no action. We just go to the next one. Okay. Uh item number 23, the employment of a city attorney, Eddie Faulner. No action. No action on that as well. No action on that.

And then item number 24 is we are adjourned. And that's it. Public public works. Public works. Here we are. We just got the room. It's just a couple. It's just this. All right. And we will call to order our Guthrie public works regular authority meeting Tuesday, October 7th, 2025. Item number two is the consent agenda, items A through D. Mr. Chairman, I move approval of the consent. Second. Okay. Motion and a second. Further comments or questions? Please cast your votes.

All votes are in. Unanimous approval for the consent agenda items A through D. Agenda item number three's items were removed from the consent agenda. There were none. Item number four is we are adjourned.