City Council - Regular Meeting

Yes. Yes. I appreciate it.

So, what else? Far upper right. video on there is one.

Yeah. Maybe they put the wrong name on it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Which one do you do you want? So, I also have two of these. Which do you want up first? We got your buddy who we missing.

Good evening everyone. Um, we're going to call to order this meeting of the Gallatton City Council Committee. It is It's on. Okay. Yeah, I got it on. Am I good? Okay. Call to order this meeting of the Gallatton City Council Committee. It is 601. [snorts] And we will begin this meeting as it is a work session with the roll call and Miss Ketch will take care of that for us, please. Vice Mayor Hayes is absent. Councilman Alexander present. Councilman Carter present. Councilman Fan here. Councilman Fenel is absent. Councilman Jones here. And Councilman Juvants. Mayor, we do have a quorum.

Thank you so much. Um, this evening you have the minutes from the council committee meeting on October 28th, 2025 and the special called meeting on November 18th, 2025. Motion to approve. Have a motion to approve both sets by Councilman Jones. Second by Councilman Jivvants. Are there any corrections, subtractions, additions? Seeing none, all in favor of approving the minutes from 1028 and 11:118, please say I. I.

Oppose, say no. Minutes are unanimously approved. Um before we go to public recognition, I do want to let um this body know actually let them know yesterday that item number 16 was on the agenda to be discussed, but um the American Legion um it's the American Legion Veterans Home Storm Water Improvement, which involved the Hell Avenue extension to remedy the problem and solve an issue with us for South Water. And our concern had been that um um Liberty Baptist was not interested in selling and um we were surprised that they had changed their mind and so they decided that they would sell to the city of Gallatton and they have signed an agreement and so we will move forward with the plan that is designed and we are very very grateful um for their help in that because we endeavor to make it be a great project and solve two issues and and damage them as little as possible. So that's the direction that we are going with that. So without objection, we will consider that removed. Councilman Jivants.

No, no objection. But when you're done, I would like to say something. What now? When you're done, I would like to say something, please. Okay. I was just going to public recognition. What? Before public recognition. What? Before public recognition.

Okay. What is it? Uh I would like to u make a motion to remove um item one from the agenda. Um because I don't we have 21 item um item one is bring to us I think uh I don't understand why uh developer made an agreement with the city not to build apartment and to stick to a certain amount of units. It's about three times. Well, you are you're debating item number one at this point. And so

I'm just explaining why I'm I want to remove from the agenda. I think we should not waste our time tonight with that because uh there was an agreement made and we should stick to the agreement. So I make a motion to remove item one from the agenda. I have a motion to remove item one from the agenda. I motion dies for lack of a second. I am concerned. I would think that there are likely people here that have interest in knowing more about that. So and I got asked to see if we can move item three to the top.

I was going to ask that we do that. I wasn't going to move it till the top. I was going to move it to item number two. We had a very nice citizen come up and ask that we move item number three to item number two. It won't affect anybody who's here for item to approve. Second, but I mean if you want to move it up, I don't care. Okay. No, no. He had said one. I was going to ask for two. So, it's your decision. No, I think I thought you just said move it up to two. No, you said one, didn't you? I'll approve your uh what you ask. I'm sorry. after what you said. Okay. Okay. So, a motion and second. All in favor say I. I.

Okay. So, we will go to item number three immediately after item number one. With that, public recognition is about to be open. And this is the only period of public recognition at this meeting because it is a committee meeting. So, that means whether you have an item of concern that is on the evening's agenda or is not on the evening's agenda, this is your time to speak to it. You have five minutes to speak. Um, we ask for your name and your address for the record and I will run the timer. And with that, public recognition is open. Good evening. My name is Joanne Bates. I live at 120 Hicks Lane and I'd like to give you some thoughts on the Myers Hill development. I will be adversely affected by this request for reszoning as I live adjacent to the proposed development. Houses are going to be built right outside my kitchen window. I'm opposed to the density of the Myers Hill development. 190 homes on 77.5 acres means the homes are going to be pretty close together.

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The request for R8 brings fear in an area where homes are on one acre and the parcels are zoned rural residential. If R8 is approved, are the neighbors guaranteed on that what is being shown to be built will really happen? I'm concerned about the traffic both on the small unstriped Hicks Lane and on Dobbins Pike, especially in the months when school is in session. Every morning and every afternoon, 14 large yellow school buses go up and down the lane, taking children to Schaefer Middle and Benny Bills Elementary, using the small narrow county lane as a circle and a way for them to get to the schools. Traffic is already present in this area due to the two schools, the county health department, the county animal shelter, and a funeral home. The plan to widen the lane is commendable, but please ask for a better job than what's been done previously. The edges of the lane are already crumbling from the recent job due to the water that runs down to the deep ditches on both sides of the lane. So, I'm glad they're talking about widening the lane, but let's do a better job than before. And of course, as an agricultural family, I am disturbed that Summer County is once again losing pristine land, farmland that um they're going to use for the the development. I do applaud the developers for meeting with us and for moving the exit to Hicks Lane to align with the yet unknown road through Schaefer Middle School property. They moved that from I right across from a neighbor so she won't get the traffic lights coming out of um the development into her house. They've moved it so that it'll exit onto Joe's Chaer school property. But I do wonder what might happen if the school decided to close and lock that gate because there is a

gate already present and the school perhaps might want to do that. And selfishly, I'm concerned if all the storm water will flow onto our property since I'm downhill. And having taught at Galen High School with Mr. O'Neal Dice, who is a builder, he said, "You can't control water and the water will run downhill. It already does." And could an additional buffer between my property and the development be done since I am the property owner that will be affected. Regretfully, the neighbors know the development's going to happen. We just want it to be good for everybody. Thank you. Oh, and the decorations and Gallatin for Christmas. Great job. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Brown and Council. My name is Michelle Juvants. I live at 1335 Long Hollow Pike, and I wanted to kind of piggyback on some things that this pre previous speaker just said. Um, I think that some of you probably don't know that about a year ago I had to hire a law firm um to represent my interest and my property. Um it was because of um the same engineering firm that's doing the Hicks Lane development and it was because of the planning commission and um you know that back in 2017 when I started coming to the meetings it was because of Kensington Downs being um proposed to be built next to our property and that's how I first started coming to the meetings. Um, we met with the developer. They made a lot of promises to us, a lot of promises in writing. They were giving us an extra buffer. They were giving us a burm with extra plantings. They promised not to

cut down the trees um that were existing on the um between my neighbor and that uh pro the property that was going to be developed. It was a a fence row of trees and that was all in writing. Um and this was approved the FMDP was approved by the city council in 2018 la um a year ago November which would have been in 2024 and November the final master development plan for the last phase which is next to my property came in front of the planning commission with all the promises completely removed. The FMDP did not match the PMDP and all the right all all was written. it was in writing. Um, the planning commission was completely fine with rubber stamping the changes. I got up in front of them as did my neighbor. My neighbor has also hired that law firm by the way. Um, got up in front of them before during the um, work session, told them there this was all in writing. This was promised to us. It's all been changed. Um, they didn't care. They didn't listen to me. they didn't care. Um, two of you are on the planning commission, so you already know about this because I've spoken to the planning commission about this over the past year. Um, so I, as a citizen, had to spend thousands of dollars, hire a lawyer just to get the planning commission to listen to me. So, I hope that the the people that are in the room that are also hearing me address you are hearing what I am saying because CSDG has made a lot of promises. When that when this Hicks lane came in front of you to be annexed, they said, "Oh, we're just going to annex this. We don't want to do anything." I remember they said, "There's no there's no development attached to this. We just want to be

annexed." Which is not true. um because there was a very similar development by the same engineering company previously that was turned down or or removed or paused or whatever happened but now it's back. So I'm just saying that I have learned that there are a lot of empty promises made things are taken back later. I actually believe that these promises are made purposely not being they they don't ever expect to keep their promises. I think that they plan to not keep their promises and that is what I truly believe because they by the time the FMDP comes around. Nobody's paying attention anymore and it was going to get rubber stamped by by the planning commission. No problem. Take chop down all the trees. No problem. They've been there for a hundred years. No big deal. Even though it's in writing that they were going to keep it. Take away the burm, no problem. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that anymore. But it's not okay because it harms the neighbors. It harms the people like me and my husband and like a lot of people around town who are being harmed by promises that are made and then not kept. Um I'm also really concerned about a few things that are on the agenda. There's an annexation way out on Hartsville Pike that is just [clears throat] why why are we just like going out to the edges of practically the end of where the urban growth boundary is for Gallatin and just saying we're going to just annex in more land and put in more development because we already know that it's too much too fast right now is what's going on in Gallatin. We don't need to go all the way to the edges of where the urban growth boundary almost like it's almost to the urban growth

boundary edge. We don't need to do that and hop over like miles of of county to like annex in a little piece of property to it. It doesn't even look like it's continuous my time. Okay. Haven't turned up very loud. I'm sorry. I just have something for you. [clears throat] This is for you.

Mayor, I've just served you with a lawsuit. Imagine that.

My name is Paul Rewald. I live at 157 Winslow Court. Mhm. And did I understand you correctly that you're delaying or you're taking item one off the menu? No, sir. It was suggested, but it did not.

Okay. Then let me speak to the Greensboro Village proposed [clears throat] development. Two things which concern me. One, 600 living units on 43 acres. when I thought this land was zoned for single family dwellings. Maybe it's not anymore. I don't know. But it requires a variance if it is. Some of these buildings are going to be five stories high, which is I thought was over the limit of three stories allowed in Gallatin. Is it? I'm not sure. And there's 10 units that are going to be four to five stories, six units, 3 to four stories, and nine units that are going to be twostory town houses. Primarily because the last time this item came up, the people at Gracie Lake in Fairview objected so much that those units facing Gracie Lake were reduced in size. That's a lot of people and a lot of housing units for 43 and a half acres. The second concern I have is the traffic that this is going to generate. It's already troublesome getting out of Fair View and retreat at Fair View, bringing in 600 living units with maybe 600, 900, 1,200 cars including workers at the medical facilities there. It's going to be a mess. And when I talked to one of the developers of this over at V State when they had the

meeting over there, his comment was it's not my problem. So I'm saying it's your problem then if he doesn't feel any responsibility for it. I think this is too much too soon. We got enough apartments and town houses in Gallatin. Thank you. Hi, I'm Heidi Horio. I live at 221 Woodlake Drive, also in similar neighborhood to the gentleman before me. And I want to say how much I admire everyone who gets up here and talks. It's kind of a big deal and difficult. [laughter] I'm nervous and I just know that for every person who talks here, there's at least a hundred in their neighborhoods who feel very similar as they've talked, but somehow they don't get the nerve to come or they're just schedule doesn't allow. Anyway, I'm here to express my opposition to the proposed building project near our neighborhood, the area between Greensboro and Green Lee. I believe part of it's for retirement community, medical buildings, and maybe some of the other things the gentleman said. I understand there'll also be some kind of housing built across from the null next to that cave coffee shop which is currently a lovely wooded area some of the last in like our general area. While I understand the need for responsible growth, I'm not opposed to growth. This project raises several serious concerns for those of us who live nearby. There are numerous recent or upcoming building projects in the works in our area such as um Codwell Apartments, Foxland, Kennesaw, Entry, Nollet, Fair View, the Villas on the Green, Vinewood Town Homes, and this small city of apartments that just got built across from the

Lowe's um on Nashville [clears throat] Pike. Without even these being completed and people moving in, there's already significant congestion and traffic on Nashville Pike several times a day. At 4:15 tonight, the Pike was backed up um to the Honda dealership headed towards town going very slow. With the hundreds of housing apartments, which could equal thousands of residents currently being built and scheduled to be built, that will add significant congestion and traffic. And um will only worsen safety and commute times. And that doesn't even mention the target going in there and everything. It just all kinds of adds up. Second, I know that the new buildings mean new needs for power, sewage, waste removal, water, schools, police department, fire department, and I just haven't heard about updates on infrastructure to support all those. Do this can the schools hold the kids? Can we uh we can't expand Nashville Pike, so it's not sure how we can improve infra infrastructure for that, but I'm hoping that's all being planned for, but it doesn't seem like it is. And kind of side note is with hundreds of new housing units already being built in close proximity to our area of town, it feels like we're absorbing a disproportionate amount of development. Um, what we aren't seeing is kind of like this comparable investment in parks and green space. Um, other towns nearby seem to have a lot of parks and things and I feel like the main park near us is not so near us. It's way down over Miracle Park. We do have that little Nat Caldwell Park thing. Um, anyway, with so many new residents moving in now more than ever, we need accessible outdoor areas that support community health and

recreation. Anyway, for all these reasons, I respectfully ask council to reconsider the project. Thank you. Thank you. You did a lovely job.

Those of you that know me, I think I told that man that's not my problem. Name and address, please. Ma'am, name and address, please, for the record. LA Green, I think I would say that somebody. Hell no.

Hey, hey, hey.

He's been in Florida for 6 months. Anyone else wishing to speak under public recognition this evening? Okay, seeing no one, um, public recognition is closed. And now we will move to a special presentation from our Gallton Department of Electricity, Mark Kimell. For those of you who don't know, Mark Kimble is the general manager at GDE and he has lots of good things to share. What now? I said you have lots of good things to share. I did lots of good things this year. It's hard to hear right here. [laughter]

Funny.

Um, we have had a good year at the Department of Electricity. Uh, just a couple of the the big big highlights. Uh, I'd like to invite everybody to our grand opening of our um truck dock facility this Thursday at at 3:00 if you want to come. Um, we'll have several excellent speakers there uh to commemorate our our new facility. We've been in that building on the Jones Street since 1967 and this is the first time we've added on to it. So, we've we've over 50 years. So, that's kind of amazing. Um, when we got in the building, we had uh just a little over 5,000 customers. Now we have almost 28,000 customers. So, it's probably past time to upgrade facilities. Um, also that we've also completed almost 10 years of uh without a lost time accident at the Gallton Department of Electricity, which is truly amazing and knock on wood about that. Uh we're in a dangerous business and um for the sake of the lineman and everybody at the department that's an amazing record. Um I'm here tonight to present financials. Uh we got a we received a a great audit from um our auditing auditing firm. If you have the audit in your packet, you want to turn to page 42. I will just read real quickly. Um during our audit we did not find not identify any deficiencies or in internal control that we we consider to be internal weaknesses. And then on the next page uh the other piece of that is the results of our test uh disclosed no instances of non-compliance or other matters that were are required to be reported under government auditing um standards. So we received a clean

audit. And then the other piece that I would like to point out from I I forget which page it's on, but it's in there somewhere that the department paid over a million dollars in lie of taxes to the city. So we received no funds from the city and we pay in le of taxes to the city. Are there any questions from the council for the electric department? Council, anyone with questions for Mr. Kimble thoughts,

no question. Uh Mark, thanks. Good job. Um I saw you in your buildings last time I stopped by and I think it's a great addition. So I appreciate what you're doing for us. Thank you, Mark, and your team, too. Thank you. Y'all have a good night.

You do, too. And merry Christmas to you. Okay. Um with that, we're going to move on to mayor's comments. I do certainly want to um recognize the efforts of the last week and I know that all the department heads and their employees have worked very hard. I particularly want to mention the public works employees. They have done a great job putting out um Christmas decorations and moving Christmas decorations and repairing Christmas decorations and and uh making everything work. And so um Mr. D, please pass that on to your employees. Um, also want to mention Jenna Lens from Rosemary Bates. Mentioned them before. They were the little goddesses that made all the sparkle happen in Gallatin this year and they did a great job. Um, last week we had the tree lighting. We had the employee Christmas lunchon. We had tuba Christmas and I am particularly grateful for Angela Davis in my office because she works her tail off to make everybody have a wonderful event. And of course, we got some weather thrown at us with tuba, but we navigated and it went very, very well. And it is not up, Mr. Hayes. Um, it went very, very well. And so, last week was a lot of things, but there are a lot of things coming up this week, too. Um, also thanks to the all the um committee that worked on the employee lunchon and decorated the trees and did the showcase downstairs. They did a beautiful job there. Um, want to mention that we did celebrate the Shalom's Home Daycare. Again, compliments to Miss Bates for spearheading that. She got all kinds of praise, um, folks at that event. It looks fabulous. Um, I said that day, I said, "Gton Daycare has such a tremendous reputation, and I know that parents are going to have a lot of um, confidence being able to send their children to an extension of that existing daycare in a really nice, neat facility. Um, and a lot of people don't think about this, but the two major

barriers to employment are transportation and child care. And so having more child care available to parents on a sliding scale will be able to help um more people be able to work in jobs that they may not otherwise be able to. So, we're very excited about that. It has been a grand joint effort and really exciting. And um I think that was all that I wanted to make sure I mentioned, but um the Christmas elves are our Gallton City employees who have just hustled in every direction. Saturday they were doing shop with the cop with the police department. The fire department had graduation and a party and everybody's been just like I said being Christmas elves all around. Um events coming up I will make sure you're aware of. Mr. Kimble mentioned the Department of Electricity ribbon cutting for the new bay. That's at 3 p.m. on the 11th. Um the police department Christmas parties this week. There's also a National Alliance on Mental Health Christmas Party that's happening here in Gallatin. It's a regional alliance that's happening on the 11th as well. There is the Wreaths Across America ceremony. Saturday is going to be a really busy day in Gallatin. If you are new to the area and you are unaware, there is a Christmas parade. It goes through the middle of town. It happens at noon. It starts near the hospital, goes right smack through the middle of town, and ends at Gallatin High School, and traffic is stopped. So, if you have errands you need to do and you don't have any interest in the Christmas parade, do them early or do them late. Don't try and do them midday on Saturday. Prior to the Christmas parade on Saturday at 10:00 a.m. is the Wreaths Across America celebration, and that is at the Gallatin City Cemetery. that happens at 10:00 a.m. Um, if you're new here or if you're not new here and you've never attended Ree Across America, it is probably my favorite event that we do all year long and I won't get to stay long this year, but I will get to be there and so I would encourage you to attend if you have the opportunity. [cough]

Um, happening that same day, there are pictures with Santa um sponsored by the Critter Clinic at the Critter Clinic from 4:00 to 7:00. There is Christmas by Candlelight at Cranfot, not in the city, but a great way to experience the holidays. On the 14th, um that Sunday, there is an open house at historic Trousdale House. Um that's from 2 until 5. The Gallton Daycare that we just mentioned, the new one at the Shalom. We'll be having an out open house from 2 until 4:00 p.m. On the 17th, it's Councilman Carter's birthday. And coming up on the 18th, there is a Christmas carol, a live radio play at the Palace Theater. Two showings on that day, one at 2, one at 7:00. Friday, um the 19th is the public works Christmas breakfast. There's also a Christmas by candlelight at Winwood, another county historic treasure, but a great way to experience the holidays in this area. And then this is really neat and I wanted to share it with you because it's tremendous that it's here in our community. But on the 19th and 20th and on the 29th and 30th, the Music City Classic NCAA Division 3 basketball will have their tournament going at Welch College. And so we're delighted to welcome them here to Gallatin. And then there's um one other Christmas event on the 20th, Christmas ages 11 to 4 and Christmas by Candlelight from 6:00 to 9 also at Windwood. And so there's a lot going on. I I hope you fully immerse yourself in the community. Would remind you to shop local. Um there are so many fabulous local merchants that are independent um merchants, services, restaurants, so many gifts that you can buy locally that will delight your friends and family. So I would encourage you to do that. With that um I'm going to conclude mayor's comments and move on to the regular agenda. And the first item is ordinance one um ordinance item one ordinance 02512-70. And it's an ordinance of the city of Gallatin, Sar County, approving a preliminary master development plan for Greensboro Village mixed residential

development within the Greensboro Village PUD on two parcels totaling 4350 acres north and south of Greenley Boulevard south of Greensboro Drive, authorizing the revision to be indicated on the official zoning atlas, repealing conflicting ordinances, providing severability, providing for an effective date. And with that, I introduce our city planner, Mr. Brian Rose. Did I say something wrong? Excuse me, mayor. I just was curious if the item three was supposed to go before this. I thought we were going to do that one second. Okay. So, it's this one first. Okay.

But thank you for checking. Sorry about my misunderstanding there. All right. Brian Rose, city planner. Uh this is a request to approve a preliminary master development plan for Greensboro Village mixed residential development and amend the Greensboro Village PU PUD on two parcels, 43.5 plus or minus acres uh for 35 active adult town homes uh 440 active adult dwelling units and 125 assisted living/memory care facility. uh units and uh 6,500 ft² medical office located north and south of Green Lee Boulevard, south of and south of sorry, north and south of Greenley Boulevard and south of Greensboro Drive. Uh just for reference, those streets are Green Lee Boulevard here. [snorts] Uh so you'll be north and south of Green Green Green Lee and then Greensboro on this side. [snorts] Um and there's a smaller street stone stone bridge in between there. Uh there are essentially two things happening again with this proposal. The PMDP and a PUD amendment. The zoning on

the property is currently MRO uh MRO PUD, R six PUD, and R15 PUD. So, you'll kind of see that here. You have the MRO PUD in orange, the R six put in light brown, and then the R15 PUD in this tan color just right along the edge there. And a little bit right there. Um, these districts are somewhat irrelevant as far as the density and things go just because the Greensville Greensboro Village PUD document governs this uh property. And so that kind of determines what they can and cannot do with the property. [snorts] Uh, the PUD document allows for multif family units, healthcare assisted living, and medical office as permitted uses. This request includes a major amendment to the Greensboro Village PUD since it increases the overall density. Development allocations for the property per uh 2015 density swap allowed the developer to move 304 multi-units, multif family units up north of Nashville Pike called the Edison Apartments. um that took some units from this southern property area uh track B and moved them up to tract A which is up here in this yellow area up here. Uh that consisted of um 304 multi-unit uh multif family units up to that area. Uh they were still allowed to build some residential on the south side uh in tract B which is again here. Uh but many of those have already been built. 211 units for the null [snorts] at fair view and the 25 units at

Grassland downs park subdivision and then also 132 units at the retreat at Fair View. uh which leaves 135 units left for tract B which is basically your southern portion of this part of the development. U the rest of it you can kind of see it on this part kind comes up into here and is it's where we've already seen existing development occur. The applicants requesting 475 units, which is 340 more than they originally allowed. We're not counting the 125 uh memory care uh assisted living facility units as units. They are more like bedrooms for that facility and not considered dwelling units. Um, but this would change the overall density from tract B, uh, which originally had a an overall density of 2.88 dwelling units per acre to 4.83 dwelling units per acre. And again, this is the overall density of tract B, not the density of what this property would be. that density of the property as it's calculated um would be 11.67 67 if you're not counting the I'm sorry if you are counting the assisted living facility area with it and it's at 12.9 if you're not counting the assisted living facility [sighs] plan Gallatin designates the property as general urban community character area which ranges from 2 to four stories and allows 5 to 15 dwelling units per acre. [snorts] Plan Gallatin designates the northern part of the property as part of the suburban car community character

area which ranges between two to five dwelling units per acre but does allow for a mixture of single family and multif family dwellings with appropriate landscaping and design buffers for traffic noise traffic and noise mitigation. Uh again accesses from Green Lee, Greensboro Drive and Stonebridge Drive. City Council is tasked with determining if the uh preliminary master development plan complies with the overall intent and development strategies of the comprehensive plan as it's submitted. MRO zoning requires at least 3,000 square feet per unit or 14.52 units per acre. [snorts] And the R six zoning district allows up to 15 dwelling units per acre with 50% of the 5.6 acres of flood plane area removed. The proposed density based on acreage within the PMDP again is 11.67 67 units per acre including the assisted living facility and 12.9 units per acre with the assisted living removed. The plan includes uh let's see if I can get to um this page here. plan includes an extension of a citywide cityowned greenway through this parcel to the north on the north side. And then in addition to that, there would be a greenway proposed along the flood plane along the back side of these units. Um, and that would be a uh greenway that would be maintained by the development, not not cityowned. Um, buffer yards are included um, in

accordance with the underlying zoning. In most cases, they consist of a 15t landscape buffer. Uh, in one instance, there's a 20ft buffer. In another instance, there's a 10-ft buffer. That's between the two MRO areas. Um, architectural elevations do not meet the 70% brick or stone requirement. the owner and applicant does request approval of a conceptual alternative architecture plan. Um I'll sort of stick to their uh pattern book here. So their pattern book kind of gives you an idea of what they would do for architectural elements. Uh but again it would not be uh meeting the 70% brick and stone requirement. So they are asking for uh a conceptual alternative architectural plan uh approval. The applicant is also requesting an exception to the building heights limit uh for development to allow three, four and fivetory buildings. The [snorts] MRO and um most res most residential zoning districts only allow a maximum of 35 ft. The applicant is requesting a 68 foot maximum building height for the four to five story split buildings and a 52 foot maximum building height for the three to four story split buildings. Uh parking for the mixed use will be accommodated through the use of garages, driveways and service parking spots. All parking will be further evaluated at the FMDP stage for um as for each section of the development. Requirements for parking are as follows. Town homes require two spaces per unit. Multif family units uh require uh a different number based on the number of

bedrooms. Medical office requires one space per 200 square feet. and [snorts] assisted living requires one space per three residents. The applicant appeared before the planning commission on July 29th, 2024. Uh the planning commission voted to recommend approval by the city council by a vote of 4 to2. The applicant subsequently got scheduled for a council meeting and that was last fall about a year ago. uh but prior to the meeting requested to defer indefinitely stating that they would be making some changes to the plan and coming back. Uh they held a neighborhood meeting a couple of months ago. No substantial changes have been made to the plan, but they have asked to be put back on the agenda and are requesting approval before you tonight uh or or at least consideration. I know the approval process will be um several meetings long. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. I know Gary Vulgrren of Kaiser Vulgrren is also here representing the applicant and has a presentation to make on to the representative for the presentation from them.

That's work. We'll welcome him. This the country. Thank you all. While Brian's looking at Good evening, mayor, council members, my name is Gary Vogurt with KVD Kaiser Vogen Design. We are landscape architect landscape architects, land planners um and uh presented this project on our for applicant LA Green and Anderson Green. Um but allow me to just walk through the plan a little bit, talk about the details of the plan, show some elements of the plan like like to highlight um in terms of the mixed residential aid restricted um and then show a threeminute video just to kind of show a 3D visual that's very powerful um that could assist in the discussion of this this item. So just go here, flip this. I got you.

Oh, just use this. Let's go to the first. We're just going to the plan first. Oh, gotcha. [clears throat] To the site plan, please. Okay, that's good. Thank you. I'll stay here.

Appreciate you. Okay. Uh, happy holidays, by the way. Thank you for the time for me to present this. But uh Greensboro Village is a visionary mixed residential age restricted adult lifestyle community. Um this age restricted adult lifestyle community will feature several outdoor amenities, trails, greenways, a variety of residential dwelling units, assisted living, memory care facilities, 6,500 ft of medical office. As Brian had mentioned, at land design, we as we're as we're doing our land planning, land design, we look closely at the lay of the land, the topography, the flood plane, the streams, the character, the buffers. That all goes into the layout of the plan we're looking at. When we look at plans, we would like to preserve open space, maintain open space, create open space where we can. Um, with that, a series of natural and amenitized green spaces. About 26.6 acres of the 43.5 acres is open space. 61% of the site is open space. You look at this plan, you see a lot of green, a lot of flood plane, a lot of trees. Uh we'll link all that with scenic trails, pictures landscape, connect the greater sidewalk system networks, and provide walkability connections to nearby retail, the movie theater, grocery store, pharmacy, coffee shops, convenience retail, and restaurants. The site's close proximity and connectivity to these amenities provides added value for fostering a vibrant and active neighborhood. The current Greensboro Village PUD that Brian had mentioned allows for a mix of commercial and residential units. The request of this PMDP is to replace potential commercial development with age restricted residential units, assisted living and medical office. As identified by planning staff, the preliminary master development plan PMDP is in agreement in consistent with the intent and land use recommendations of the plan Gallatin, including general urban and suburban resident suburban character areas. As Brian mentioned, we had a neighborhood meeting per planning

commission request, some council members as well that was held on November 6th of this year. two-hour session, open house, town home format, townhouse format, um with the um with about 40 to 50 residents attending. So, it was a good turnout at volunteer state uh just to get insight about the project, answer any questions that they had, walk through the plan, showed the 3D video, a lot of discussion about building architecture, character, style, height, preservation of trees, open space, connectivity, active adult, what does that merely mean? So, we went through all that with the neighbors. As Brian had mentioned, we made a couple plan updates since the planning commission last July. We increased the minimum buffer yards along the southeast corner of the site adjacent Bay Point in Gracie Lake. Um, we increased the buffer yards from 15 ft to 20 ft. Um, as well as 20 ft to 30 ft. I can show that in the master plan as well. And we also prepared a 3D video that's overlaid the drone photography that denotes the proposed site building location massing. It's a very powerful tool, but I'll talk about that as we get into that. Um, being as land planners, landscape architects, we are part of ULI, the urban land institute. We attend sessions with ULI. They talk about emerging trends for the nationwide, Nashville in particular. I just want to highlight some things that that came out of that report for emerging trends for ULI Nashville. Um this report and it talks about specifically senior housing high demand. The demand is high driven by aging demographics and will continue to grow as the first baby boomers turn 80 in 2026. While occupancy is at record levels, supply is limited, potentially creating a shortage in the coming years. The market is also seeing demand for more diverse middle inome

options and increase in active adult communities. With the first baby boomers turning 80 in 2026, demand for senior housing is approaching historic inflection point. Uh limited new supply, evolving care models, and shifting consumer preferences are driving record high occupancy levels. The community benefits of age restricted housing and assisted living memory care. Age restricted residential seniors housing allows people to age in place within their community. Helps families stay closer geographically to together. Aging parents and grandparents have options to live independently or in assisted living near children, grandchildren, other friends and family members. Age restricted residential senior housing developments can bring several benefits to a growing community such as diverse housing options which we're showing in this plan. Diverse diversity and housing options within the neighborhood accommodate different life stages and preferences. This can attract a wider range of residents and contribute to more vibrant and inclusive community. A stable community, as I mentioned, senior housing developments often create a stable community environment. Residents tend to stay longer, fostering a sense of community, continuity, and neighborly support. The stability can contribute to overall stability and act attractiveness to the neighborhood. Uh some of the people spoke in the audience mentioned about open space, infrastructure. Well, that's the beauty of active adult housing, senior housing, assisted living, memory care. Unlike other younger demographic projects, senior housing developments have lower impact on local schools, transportation infrastructure, lower parking demands, uh more trails, green space, open space, amenitized, health and well-being. Purpose-built senior housing often includes features that promote health and well-being, which we're showing on

this master plan, fitness centers, walking trails, ease of access to healthcare services. This contributes to an o overall healthier community. When we look at this master plan, we also look at what is the 5 to 10 minute walk. When we're looking at master plan community with this in with this development being your proximity to to the retail uses, convenience retail, the pharmacy, grocery, you're within a 5 to 10 minute walk based on your location on the plan. So, if I can go to Oh, you're good. Thank you. So, I'll just kind of walk through the elements of the plan. Brian talked about the number of units and uh assisted living and dwelling units, but providing options in terms of of use. So in the plan on the screen here, the upper right behind the Publix and adjacent to the movie theater, that is where the Oh, there we go. Thank you. Appreciate you. Good. Even better. Okay. Uh so this is the 125 bed assisted living memory care location. Publix to the front, movie theater behind it. So 125 beds, assisted living, memory care with some internal courtyards. This U-shaped building is kind of a the next step below senior housing act. Uh this is age restricted active adult also. Um this is a three-story building, 150 units, highly amenitized. This allows opportunities for um it has retail in the building. So think about this U-shaped building that this central little knuckle in the middle as I call it. That is the retail lobby, salon, hair care, barber, dining hall. So, you can either prep your own food in this building or have it served to you at a dining hall as well. High concier services, highly amenitized internally and externally. We're showing a lot of open space around this building for courtyards, potential pool amenities for senior active adults. Um, then as Brian had mentioned, the greenway going through here as well. So, a lot of open space preserved. Obviously, we have the

power line going through there, but open space, roadway connectivity. Then we move to the mixed residential portion along Green Lee Boulevard. So, the larger buildings fronting Green Lee Boulevard, and I'll show this in the video. Those are threetory front. So, there's three stories, probably 43 to 52 feet tall. Um, depending on the architecture, um, all three stories along the front, Green Lee, these larger buildings, 30 units. There's 36 parking spaces below the building. So on the high side along Green Lee, three stories. On the back side, it's four stories, but it's still three stories residential. And the backside is the four stories, just parking below the building. What's the beauty of that is that it works with the grade of the site because this whole site from Greenley Boulevard down to the flood plane that dropped significantly. So again, using the lay of the land, let the building speak in terms of stepping the grade, allow the parking to be on the back side. So all the buildings facing Greenley Boulevard, nice streetscape approach building on the low side. Then there's a little building blue, hard to point, that's the 6,500 square f feet right on the roundabout of Greenly Boulevard. As you traverse towards Baypoint, it transitions in height from three stories or these these buildings here along Greenly to a product that is two to two and a half stories, call it mimicking across the null. Very similar. But also note that these are two to two and a half stories. So three stories on the front here. Also note Greenley Boulevard. These units are three to five feet above grade. So they're kind of elevated above the street as well. So a comparison in height there. And then we transitioned to twotory two and a half story against Bay Point Bay Point in Gracie Lake. So this is another residential project in this cluster about cluster about 35 units. And then along the back side is the four to five story product that is very similar to uh the revery at Foxland Harbor. And I've

got some images of that. But again, it's four stories along the front, five stories on the back, but the fifth story in the back is really to allow for 16 parking spaces underneath the building. So, it's it's four stories of residential with parking on the backside or underneath the building all kind of tucked in along the greenway, flood plane, tree save along this area. Um, so that's what's taking up the grade of that building there. Let me flip to the architecture. Oh, this one here. This

you say 16. Sorry to cut you off, but you say 16 units per building parking unit under good question. Um, oh, wrong button. There we go. These buildings here along Green Lee are 30 units per building, three stories with 36 spaces below. These more square buildings ma matching Rey Point are 11 units, three stories or four stories. 11 units with 16 spaces below the building with additional aster parking for guests and handicap and things of that nature. So 11 units on these buildings here. It's basically three units per floor for three floors, nine units, top level, two units, penthouse. So 11 units total for four stories with with 16 spaces below under the building on the fifth floor on the low side and then ancillary parking in the middle. Thank you. Go next slide, please. Go back. I'm sorry. Oh, there we go. Yeah. Um, so this kind of highlights the open space element. As I mentioned, the site is 43.5 acres. We're preserving [snorts] um 26.66 acres, I think it is. uh 61% of open space and within this open space it's a mix of trails connectivity amenitized pool the vent lawns pavilions seating trails just elements that activate the age restricted community just more outdoor space more active space community gardens things of that nature next slide please thank you so then as Brian had mentioned we start to get into the architectural character and at KVD we've worked on several projects This kind of reflects some of the projects we've worked on in the past. Um, but a mix of residential uh mix of building materials um highlighted in this screen

here here, but I'll also go to the next slide just kind of showing character development and we can ask questions later if you need to. But [snorts] some of these are projects we've worked on. Uh these are also pulled from a lot of these are pulled from Berry Farms which we master plan in Franklin, Tennessee to shows that. So this is kind of the town home vision right here. a mix of building materials allowing flexibility in different product types um and uh styles. Next slide please. Um this shows the uh threetory, four story, four story, fivetory. So the building on the bottom left is the four to fivetory building that is at the Rey um at Foxland Harbor. That is a four-story residential building. This is the footprint we're showing on the plan. Four stories on the front side, five stories on the back side. And you can see the lower level is the parking below the building plus or - 16 spaces. The building in the middle, I'll use this one. Point to it. Typical three-story building on the front for the buildings along Greenley Boulevard. And then a little bit small in the screen here, but this image is a good detail. It's three stories along the front, four stories in the back, and it shows how the parking is below the building on the low side to accommodate the plus or minus 36 spaces. and then the additional as needed standard stall parking spaces. So three to four split building and a four to five split building the mix as shown on the documents. Next slide please. Assisted assisted living memory care just shows some of the character we've worked on in different communities across the United States but highly amenized u just for the the us for the user and the residents and the families. um showing a mix of outdoor courtyards, pools, active play areas, event lawns, things of that nature, memory care, um kind of visionary gardens, community gardens, please. The medical office, we have 6,500 square feet. Just showing some character of what that could be uh

within that spot along Greenley Boulevard at the roundabout. Okay, last video and then we can open up to any questions you may have. So, this was a powerful Could you before you start, can you hit that little button on the side and hit the speed? See the three dots to the right. Yeah. Click that. Go to video speed and hit 0.5. And don't play just yet. I want to talk talk about this. Yes.

Okay. So, what we did here, and this was a powerful tool that was very helpful for the residents when they showed up the evening at the neighborhood meeting. What we've done here is we've we've drone foot drone footage of the site as this is today took that drone footage, dropped in the t the contours and topography of the site, overlaid the master plan. So the trees you're seeing on the backside along um the retreat and towards Greenly Light, those are the existing trees that are there today. No embellishment. These are actual photographs, drone images. We dropped the buildings in the trees along Greenley Boulevard. Those are the heights that are out there today. But we uh want to make sure that this was relevant to what you're seeing from adjacent neighbors, what you're seeing along the roadway, the building relationship, the height, the massing. But go ahead and show that through. We're starting at the Green Lee Boulevard roundabout is where we are. We're going to kind of circumvent clockwise around the site. So we're going down Green Le Boulevard. These are the threetory units in the front along Green Le Boulevard. And you can kind of catch a glimpse of the four in the backside, but you'll see it around as we flip around. But the trees along Greenley Boulevard bring the buildings up the street up to the street parking relegated to the rear or underneath the building. Then we transition to the twotory, two and a half story town homes, adjacent bay point for that transition of use and height. Um those are existing trees along the buffers there. As I mentioned, we increased the buffer in this area to 30 feet along Bay Point. So, it's a combination of existing trees, supplement trees, fill in the gaps where needed, uh, but meet the buffer requirements per the city of Gallatin. So, then we're looping back towards Gracie Lake in the backside of Bay Point here. It'll spin back around, but shows the massing in relationship to the adjacent residences. And again, these are all trees from drone photography. So, nothing embellished except for stuff inside the development, which are

proposed trees. Um, so the golf course along the edges here. So we're circling back past the uh two-story town homes back to these four to five story buildings here. You can see the height relative to the trees, the buffer, saving the flood plane, the stream, the trail. Um, and you can see the retreat to the south there looking back into it, maintaining that cover. But see how those buildings are tucked in there. um using the grade as I mentioned, four stories front, five story back, but four stories of residential. Then you can see the four stories along the building along Greenley Boulevard, which is really just three stories residential over parking on the back side, which makes it five stories, I mean four stories along Greenley Boulevard. Circling back towards Greenley Boulevard, the buildings on the left are the threetory front, fourtory in the back. And then we'll circle back up to the the the uh circle there as well. the 6,500 square foot medical building right on the green of the roundabout. And again, all these units are 5 to 10 minute walk to the retail adjacent, the convenience retail. That's what these type developments are looking for to be close to proximity to these type uses and walkability. And again, as I mentioned, preservation of open space and trails and connectivity, the number one amenities um for any development, specifically this one as well. But um that's my presentation. Thank you for taking the time to listen to me speak and uh I'll address any questions the best I can.

Questions from this body. I'm sorry. I I was asking questions for you. It is hard to hear up here. [laughter] I'm sorry. No, you're fine. Questions, y'all. Otherwise, it probably takes some studying and digesting. Understood. There's Yeah, there's a lot of information there.

Traffic study done on this yet? We did, sir. We did uh it was sub part of it was submitted for just it's a PMDP but we did a full traffic study as well. Um in terms of both parking traffic the end result was really that the infrastructure as is suffices and all the new streets we're creating the connectivity it's really just standard common stop control systems based on the new streets where they're tying to existing streets but no other further infrastructure. No further infrastructure improvements. Does planning have that study or

they have the bones of it. The uh I think we did just a distribution and percentage flow. So with the plan it says that this is an age restricted or in the vision it states that this age restricted adult lifestyle community. [snorts] Um how I know you mentioned like 55 and over but the vision says age restricted. So how are we to ensure that it is going to be a 55 and over community?

Yeah, there's going to have to be policies put in place for age restriction. I mean that is common with these type developments for active adult uh senior housing. So, um, if this ever has to go back before this board, the council, planning commission, if that age restricted element is taken away, it has to go back to the very beginning. But the intent is take it through age restricted and there's things that need to be done to make sure that those residents are indeed moving into this community. A bit on that question for legal is that something we can enforce or if they get the the FMDP and decide not to go on 55 plus what recourse we have really something that comes through the deed that the developer will set up. It's not really you can talk to Brian about that but um I think that was discussed at planning. It's really something that the developer puts in in the deed. Brian, go ahead.

Yeah, our department wouldn't control that necessarily. Uh although like he said, you know, they can set up deed restrictions and things like that. Uh but what we would have to control is if they did try to come back to change that, uh there would be different parking requirements. there would be uh impacts to the schools that may not have been uh contemplated because you know you don't have uh school children with your 55 and older population. Um so I mean there there might be some impacts that you know we would have to reconsider and so we would definitely have to have them come back and and and take a look at things but um they wouldn't be able to just make that change without coming back to us. Can I say something real quick?

Anderson Green, Green Little. Um, we are getting a 55 and up age restricted development approved. Meaning, we're not trying to I don't see I don't see a world where we get this approved and come to you for an FMDP and then try to flip it last minute. At no point have we said we're coming here for a market rent residential community. And I would think we're not trying to deed restrict it. It would be it would be done at the PMDB FMDP level. So my understanding of it is if I get a project approved for a 55 and up or assisted living um project, that's what it is. I can't I can't get it entitled, have my entitlements in place, and then sell it to you, and then you go do what you want with it. That's not how that works. Correct.

Yes. But it's it's through the deed restriction. The city can't really control that. But they could control if if you were to change it at the FMDP stage, which doesn't come back to to this body unless there's a major amendment. I think that would be a major amendment. It would be a major. It would have to come back through. come back here where y'all would have to hear it again and then y'all would make that decision. Right. So, we're not trying to come in here and do a and just dance a 55 in front of y'all and then have it change last minute. that's something that you would have to approve

but also going forward it is through I mean there will be restriction in the deed so that going forward when the properties are sold um from the developer to the individuals and and going forward there will be deed restrictions I would think I think it would have to be I've never seen one that didn't have a restriction in the deed I think maybe I wrong but you started by saying We're not going to do we're not planning on doing deed restriction. So, um and I don't think uh the edge rest I'm not their attorney. So,

no, that that's what and I don't think uh I read the edge restriction being a major part of the the criteria for major amendments. Um so, I but I I have comments. I don't have any more question for you guys if

and when I say a deed restriction I I that is for the units that would be um owner occupied they would have to have deed restriction if there are units that are not owner occupied there would have to be some type of a um association that would control all that going forward so that they can I'm not going to restrict the deed that's foolish you would be you would it would kill kill the city in the future it and you can't sell it. We will entitle this property based on your uh rules and regs. Again, it will be entitled as we ask hopefully, but we cannot go up there. You're not going to I cannot sit here and tell you I'm going to do something and out there in front of God and everybody I start throwing up something else. That makes no sense whatsoever.

You know, I can't do that. What I'm Okay, Mr. Green, when I'm saying a deed restriction, yes, when when you sell your the first unit to someone, you can sell it to them as as 55 plus, but going forward, unless there is something in place that would restrict that from being sold to someone that is 55 and older, going forward, it would no longer be age restricted unless you have some type of association or you have something. That's what that's what that's what the city's for.

We're not going to be checking every time a unit is sold. That's not what the city does. We we never check to see who's buying properties in the city. I mean, that would keep our planning department very very busy. We never we that's a private matter that we never get into. I don't think we have to. I'm not going to argue because I'm not smart as you are. But uh I think uh I'll be happy to talk to your attorney to see how you're planning to keep that age restricted going forward, but without something in the deed

as long as we entitle it in this by the city in in the it's a city ordinance. It's a city ordinance and for me to walk up there and do something different than that. But you want me do anything. It's it's to keep it going in perpetuity once you sell it to that first owner and then turn around they want to sell it but it's still got the same regulations following that that that property nothing they can sell it to anyone that's under 55 ma'am they would be able to when they would be able to sell their property they won't have a restriction on who they can sell to in the future well I disagree because it's in the ordinance for the property everything will abide by that sir

the ordinance can be changed because that's what you're trying to do right there. In fact, that's exactly what you're trying to do right now. Change a city ordinance because there's a city ordinance who say you would not put more than 135 units. I mean, you've been harping on that for two years, I think. I I Yeah, 10 years ago or 15 years ago, we made an agreement and let that uh other apartment unit come north. Let me ask Let me ask Brian something. Do you have you you got uh Keep it on the record. Can you Yeah. Make sure you speaking to the microphone, please. I'm in the middle of changing your codes, right? When will it when was this group put in? 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I think it was the existing zoning ordinance.

Yeah. 15 years ago. Why are you changing it now? Just updating it. Needs needs update. Things change, don't they? Let's Let's not be having a cross examination. I mean, that's what he's been chewing on me about a year for, and I'm understand. Okay, that let's let council discuss. I'm not chewing on you, sir. I just say the word you just say where you say it's going to be in the ordinance. Yeah, that was in an ordinance you're trying to change now. So, that's exactly the same thing. I don't I don't want this thing to die right here because there's got there is a way to do this without uh putting it the deed.

I'm happy to talk to you to you, your attorney. I'm you know, I'm happy to to do that. I understand. Thank I've just not that's the way I've seen it done in the past is through a deed restriction. I'm gonna look somewhere and coun appreciate you that I think that's a warranted discussion for sure. Further questions, discussion the will. Yeah, I have comments but no no more question for the applicant. So if nobody has question can let him go comments

uh everything I read there is basically doesn't doesn't fit the density uh which should be 2 went from 2.88 8 acres to almost 13 per acre. Um units authorized 135 units. Now we going almost five time that or four time that. Um the I just read the the the report from our staff. uh only 135 residential unit remain for this portion of the Greensboro Village PUB according to ordinance number 0150529. So there was an ordinance for that. uh no more apartments were permitted in the PUB at this time and now there is 475 residential unit um which is 340 more that what currently is authorized on the per um we talk about plan Gatan and density 1167 unit per acre um on the low end alternative architecture I change um I almost twice that's what we have authorize five stories um 50 foot maximum building height for the three stories the parking I we look at the parking later but uh where the parking is going to go I ask you you tell us you 16 parking

for 11 units. Uh if I look at what we have on apartments, it's one and a half or two depending on the number of u bedroom there. So we're not going to be there on any building. That means we're going to have parking outside. Yeah, there's a combination of parking outside and under the building and that's a lot covers it all. That's a lot of parking spot for all these units. Um and on the plan I don't see that many. So meets the current multif family standards as drawn today.

I have issue with all that. Um and again uh uh you know that started when I got invited by Mr. Green to look at the development and I went there and I looked at what was presented to me and Mr. Green told me hey we just have a hurdle to pass. Uh I gave my word to the city that I would not build apartment on the other side but there was water under the bridge. Um the way I work is that when I give my word I stick to my word. That can be 20 years later, 30 years later. If I give my word, I give my word. And if I remember well, um I heard from this body when we're talking about putting the light for um at the park uh for the soccer field, I heard we gave our word, so we're going to stick to it. So um we can have it both way. If somebody gave the word, make an agreement with the city, that's it. even if it's 10 years later um that we should we should stick to it. So I think um I can't I won't vote for that because again uh you know if somebody gave his word he should stick to his word.

Council members, who else would like to comment? And I'm going to make a motion to postpone indefinitely. Motion to postpone indefinitely. That's for lack of a second. I'd like to make a motion to postpone to the next committee meeting. That way hopefully Councilman Hayes and Councilman uh Finel are here and they can weigh in as well. I second on that. Make that it defer until I'm sorry. Yeah. Motion to defer. Thanks. Motion a second on that for the next council meeting which is January

13.

And if we could get the traffic study at that time too for that meeting that would be great. Would love to have that. Um motion a second to defer to 113. All in favor say I. I. Oppose say no. Those get deferred until January 13th. Thank you very much. Is that it? Any other questions? We're good.

Okay. Thank you, mayor. On now to item number three, which is um ordinance 02512-75, an ordinance of the city of Gallatin, Sunar County, presenting a 77.55 acre parcel, tax map 113, parcel02 with no zoning to the R8 PRD medium density residential planned residential development district with a preliminary master development plan for Meyers Hill Okay. East of Dobins Pike, north of Hicks Lane, authorizing the revision to be indicated on the official zoning atlas, repealing conflicting ordinance, providing for severability, providing for an effective date. Um, Mr. Rose again.

Oh, yeah. I just got to turn it to the slideshow. Oh, yeah. Yep. Thank you.

Thank you, mayor and council. Again, Brian Rose, city planner. Uh this is the Myers Hill PMDP. Uh the owner and applicant are requesting approval of uh zoning to the R8 PRD medium density residential district and uh also approving the PMDP for the property to develop a uh 190 single family lot uh subdivision on 77.55 plus or minus acres located east of Dobbins Pike and north of Hicks Again, for reference, the property is here in this yellow outline. Uh Hicks Lane is here along the south side. Dobbins Pike is here along the east side, uh west side. I apologize. Um Plane Gallatin designates this area as part of the suburban community character area. [snorts] Part of the discussion on this property has been the access. So u just uh to give you kind of an idea there is this main spine road through the center uh which gives access to Pike also puts a stub out into Triple Creek Park and then only other uh access [snorts] that would be able to be realized right now would be uh this little spine road to the south which connects into Hicks Hicks Lane. uh which is also directly adjacent uh directly across from uh the school road here uh which is not a public road currently. Um so that at least gives a couple points of access uh where people can get in and out and then also future access to Triple Creek.

There is there is another uh future connection point up on the north side uh for when the north property would develop and connect into that. Um plan Gallatin designates this area as a suburban character area. Uh this provides for two to five dwelling units per acre as the recommended density. The proposed density for the project is 2.46 dwelling units per acre, while the R8 PRD zoning allows up to a possible six dwelling units per acre. So, that's still on the low end of that spectrum. Lot sizes will meet the minimum 6,000 square foot requirement uh for the R8 PRD zoning. The PMDP provides 42.93% open space uh with 28.34% of the open space not being located in utility easements. This in this exceeds the minimum 28% open space requirement for R8 PRD uh just by just a little bit. Uh [snorts] access will be provided by a main spine road through the middle. uh as I spoke uh earlier. Um let's see. Also, Dobbins uh I'm sorry, Dobbins Pike and Hicks Lane will both be getting sidewalks with this development. Uh the the other piece is that Hicks Lane will have to be widened to 20 ft in order to be able to uh accommodate an an active fire lane. and also some curb and gutter and grass strip will be installed along Hicks Lane as well. Uh buffer yards will be provided. Uh the applicant is proposing to meet the 70% brick and stone

requirement. Uh parking will be two spaces per unit. This will be met with driveways and two-car garages. But in addition to that, 27 additional parallel parking spots will be provided uh for additional guest parking throughout the development. Uh and that's adjacent to some of the park areas and um you know there's a there's a park area right along here that um completely surrounded by streets. There will be some parking around that and then uh along your uh main drag near near some of the other open space areas. The plan does have 10 conditions of approval that were uh required as part of the planning commission's uh approval on this. They did vote by um 6 to zero to recommend approval to the planning comm to the city council. Um and that was um on October 27th, 2025. And again, just for history sake, uh it was annexed back in 2024, August 6th, um was the was the date when the property was annexed. Um and then and at that time there hadn't been a formal plan submitted, although we did have um a version of this plan that had been part of two years prior to that um annexation request and and that annexation request had been turned down at the time. Um but they're here before you asking again for your approval of this of this plan. Uh again I am here to answer any questions you may have but the applicant is also here and um I believe would want to make a presentation as well.

I have questions for Mr. Rose. You want to go ahead with the applicant? You can go there. Okay. Well my questions I didn't see any over there. Xane is a county street county road. Yeah is a county road. Correct. Uh the applicant still will be required to make the upgrades to Hicks Lane even though it is county. So they'll have to work with the county to get those permits necessary to to be able to upgrade the road. We don't know if they got any approval by the county to do that.

In order to be able to do their development, they'll have to obtain that approval from the county. Brian Deo, has anybody said anything about widening David's Pike where the entrance will be on that like a three-lane turning lane or uh I believe that is part of the plan. Yeah. Um he's not said yes it will be. [snorts]

And another question Mr. Roser or maybe for Mr. Harrison I don't know. Um, where will the sidewalks and the street widening for Dobage Pike happen? Where will that start at? It'll be all along the frontage of it. Gotcha. Okay. Just go to the the plans this one. No, no, no. Just go back to the PowerPoint.

Yeah, I'll just go backwards. A couple slides. That's fine. Oh, yeah. There you go. Actually, flip it to the one that's got open space. That one. No. Go back to the end. That's it. That's in the middle of the park now. Okay,

Jim Harrison, CSDG. Uh, thank you tonight for uh letting us present this. I don't really have a terribly sophisticated presentation. Bottom line is uh that what you see on the screen uh represents the neighborhood and Brian did a great job. I want to first thank the city for helping us to work through this and and really work with um the city to create the the alternate park access to the city property. Um because of that uh we were we we made some of these lots about a quarter of the lots rear loaded, alley loaded to make sure we didn't have any driveways coming out on those main spine roads. Um we actually did a traffic study uh for this. That's those turn lanes that are on Dobbins Pike that you can see kind of on the left hand side of this plan. They're kind of small on this plan, but there are there is left turn lane there. Uh that location is located at a high point. Uh so it's safe from a sight distance standpoint. Very carefully looked at that. Uh there's a little bit of ground that has to be lowered over top of an existing gas line there. We've coordinated with the gas line to make sure that's deep enough and make sure we're very careful about checking that. Also want to say thank you for uh the neighbors. We had a good neighborhood meeting where we received a lot of very good input. Uh very thoughtful neighbors. Uh we made some adjustments. We made adjustments to buffers along rear of properties to create an average of 100 foot open space along the rear of that southwest side. Uh we do have eight different detention ponds located, water quality and detention ponds located within this to make sure that we're not increasing any drainage uh that runs off this property onto someone else once this is developed. Um we do have uh redundant access. There's been a lot of talk about Hicks Lane. Hicks Lane when this came back through about three years

ago I think u was much narrower. Uh the county actually did some widening on Hicks Lane. the county road crews that took it near what the width is need what the width needs to be right now. So, it's not going to be difficult to make those improvements along along Hicks Lane. Uh we have committed to do that. We agreed with all the conditions uh per the planning commission. I will say this, the neighborhood that we're creating here, we really fully expect. Uh this is probably targeted primarily for people that are buying their second or third home. It's targeted for people that live in our community. Uh this is a a lot size type range for families that provides very needed housing types uh in this price range. There's an extreme shortage. Um we think this helps to address that, but we wanted to make sure that the houses were nice. Uh that's why we agreed to the 75% brick and stone, but we also have a variety of homes shown in this neighborhood. That's important to us as well. [clears throat] I think a lot of times uh when you do a a neighborhood like this, having a variety of home styles is very important. Uh we expect there will be um there there probably will be two or three different home builders in here. We don't know that for sure. We expect that. Um the uh we have located uh three key park pocket parks. Reason I wanted to show this slide is because of the pocket park lawn that's down on the lower left that shows an example of those. Those those are scattered around through the community. Uh in addition to uh Brian mentioned the open space which is about double what is required uh for this. Uh that open space does have a mixture of existing trees uh an existing creek, existing tree stands along the creek, but it also has very vital open spaces throughout the whole development

with those pocket parks. We have two play fields that are located within the development as well because we want to play have places for uh the kids for the families and the kids in the families to play. We wanted to see an active community. will have sidewalks. We have walking trails that run down along the central open space area. Um the overall density of this is 2.46 units per acre. Uh that's on the lower very low side of the two to five units per acre that's allowed within suburban land use per the plan Gallatin. Uh when we annexed it, we knew that we knew that was the guideline that is public and is approved. Uh, but we wanted to go on the lower side of that density range as we were designing this because really we want to be we want to have a nice neighborhood. Uh, we also want to have something that's welld designed. Um, redundant access is key. We have u um plans to improve Hicks Lane. I also have coordinated with school to for plans to create additional redundancy on the south side. uh don't have to have that, but we've done that as an extra thing that we will do uh as part of the zoning. Um so that's available as well. There's a couple things that uh they would need to have done like count parking spaces and add some parking spaces, but we think that's a positive. We plan to put that in with the FMDP at the point in time that goes forward. But really just here to answer any questions. Uh and again say thank you to uh u Gallatin uh planning engineering. Really a lot of folks at Gallatin for helping us to work with this development [clears throat] and provide a development that creates capacity and access for traffic to get in and out of Triple Creek Park. Uh we know that there are plans to expand or improve Triple Creek Park on the east

side of this on land the city of Gallatin has and we want to provide as much capacity as we can uh because currently there's just one access out. This will create multiple accesses out. We think that's a big amenity uh for the city, but we want to make sure it's a good neighborhood. Uh last thing I'll say is there are two schools on the south side of this um middle school and elementary school. Uh we will have sidewalks, but our new roads will actually provide better routes for those buses to to run along. Uh we know that's that's a positive as well to provide additional routes for that to happen. But uh we thank you for your consideration and just wanted to be here to answer any questions that you may have.

Questions you all? So, you're okay with all the exceptions at the planning department? Yes, sir. We've agreed with all those conditions. Yes, sir. I'll make a motion we move it on the council. Second. Have a motion by Councilman Van. Second by Councilman Carter. Further discussion, questions, Mr. Alexander.

Thank you. This isn't for uh Mr. comparison, but just uh looking and my computer is dragging slow, so I apologize, but when I look at page 116 um in our docket of the 292 pages today, um and you look at the overlay of this development, I understand you've got the park to the east, but there is nothing else that dense anywhere around there. Um when you look at when you look at that picture, it's attachment five of what they presented. Um you see large plots with single houses, you see the schools, you see a lot of open area and and uh with all due respect, sir, I don't see this as a low density development. [laughter] when you look at that picture and it was part of your presentation I saw briefly. Uh that's a lot of houses crammed in there. Uh I personally our policy rubs me the wrong way that you get to include all the open space and utility easements and everything else and figure in your units per acre. This thing is going to feel extremely dense, even compared to the subdivisions outside the park area. It's just so much crammed in there. Uh, and that's that's my problem with it is is that is way too much density in this one little project in an area that doesn't have that. That's my my comments to the council.

Thank you. Councilman Delight.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, first thing I want to say that uh we should not vote on any reasoning because um when we brought up the the ALT on reasoning, the old guys voted to send it. Um and I was pushed back by the planning um and particular by um the the president of the planning and the vice president of the planning and his words were uh Mr. memorial. Um when we had it at the at the council, uh Miss Betts came to the podium and um speak on behalf of Mr. mall were were as scared to do that and his words were um uh that he was not on favor of fingernailing because we can vote down a reasoning at any time and we don't need a or moratorium whatever you might call it and he was very vocal on the planning so I think uh we should follow his own words and uh not vote on reasoning until the zoko is approved that That's my first thing. Um second thing where I have an issue um is fire access again because one of the the comment was that uh Xland shall be widened to minimum of 20 ft per fire code to give fire access. So we don't have control on Xland. So until XLAN is widened and the county widen its land, we should not approve anything uh will

put the residents in danger um or let even 31 unit there um because we can be on the same situation we have with another development. We have only one entry and when we say we need a second that's still not there. um two points of fire access connection consisting of the construction of road A up to roundabout. The roundabout and road F on the plan shall be breed in accordance with our uh ordinance code between before the 31st certificate of occupancy is granted. Permanent fire aparry access road must have a concrete of asphad binder mixture etc etc etc. Rode is XLAN. So XLAN doesn't meet the requirement until it's widened by the county. Uh if the county doesn't widen, we're going to have a development approved with 31 units, only one entry and nothing's going to happen. So um I have an issue with that. I have the same concern with the school and Xland. Uh and I have another concern. You just I didn't think about you just brought about the access to the park. Uh if we put an access a road there who goes through a park uh people going to go and use a road day if they need to to go through the neighborhood and we know we know what's happened there because we have the case several stuff. Um I agree with Councilman Alexander on um what we call open space um open space and PUD

where it's a giant antenna where we cannot put anything there. Um, and again, you know, I look at the access. We're going to put an access there on the road for that antenna now who's I don't think he's right. And a creek um a creek and retention ponds. Uh I always, you know, joke about retention pond that can be a nice swimming pool uh for the kids, but except that um that can be used. So, I still have the same issue with open space. And to be honest, I I preferred the plan you had before uh when when that got turned on last time. Um I think that was better looking than that one. Uh and I got denied um on on the annexation cuz I came and realized it was not a good idea. I don't think it's a good idea. going to create issue with the school. Um we we don't have a a fire access. U so I don't think we should we should even authorize something who doesn't have a clear uh a clear fire access already there. U because again if you don't if the county doesn't do anything or you don't get author authorization by the county we don't have fire access. So we're putting again people at risk. So that's I can't um I can vote yes for that. But I think we should not do any reasoning until we have the new Zoko because that was kindly uh what was told at planning. We didn't need to uh put the moratorum but we could uh stop

reasoning. So, um I don't know if I can make a I can make a motion. I think I have something. Yeah. Um Mr. Rose, I just want to confirm, will you speak to the Hicks Lane portion of this? Did you say that um they would have to the developer would have to get permission from the county in order to go through this project because the road needs to be widened? Will you clarify that for me, please? Yeah. So they they do have to approach the county for any permits to do work in in on a county road. So um that's that's what I was referring to.

So why don't we postpone until we know if the county is going to is going to widen its land. So we we're not on a position. Mr. [clears throat] Carter, I I just want to address that. We went out and measured the road to where it's widened to right now. It's averaged about 18 ft in this the narrowest place. We've looked at specifically whether we can put asphalt [clears throat] on top of it within the current rightway. We can. All we have to do is go get a permit, which is a routine thing from the county. It's automatic. It's by right. You've got to put the right rules and the you got to put the right warranties and the right shies in place. It's not a matter of whether we have a right to do it or not. We can do it.

Okay. And uh that's just a that's just the way it is. And we wanted to make sure that we knew that ahead of time that before we made that commitment. Gotcha. Thank you guys for clarifying. I got a question. Another question.

I agree with what Councilman Alexander said. It is kind of a cluster, but wouldn't it drive up the cost of a house significantly if we cut it back? And we were talking more roads, more driveways, the whole nine yards. And we are looking for affordable housing was my understanding. That's all I hear every day. That's the reason I'm we're going to have something there. It's got lots of lots of green space. And that's what the trend is now. I mean, there's a reason all these town homes are selling and people want to be in apartments. At least these people have a yard. And that's the reason I'm willing to push it on the council.

You you you guys crack me up when you talking about more houses going to make the price going down. If that was the case, we would have houses at 200k a year because we have so many approved and so many we got build. That's not the case. That the people going to pay the price they asked for. Um, it's that's nobody is going to sell a $250,000 house if you have someone nearby who sell for 400k. That's not going to happen. It's it hit the market. And the same way that when the price went up because of the cost of material, when the material went down, did they didn't lower the price, you you never seen a construction building going down. It's like in the same thing, you know, that's

the economic [clears throat] discussion is one that apparently there's different philosophies on which I thought economics was pretty straight, but directly related to supply and demand. The demand exceeds the supply, the prices are up and trying to, you know, meet that demand. When you've got a 4 million unit shortage nationwide accelerated in middle Tennessee, it rolls on and it that's why our prices are high. It's not because people just think they can build higher priced homes. Do you have an estimated cost on a home in there?

It is large. It's always dependent on the market, but we think it's probably around 500 to 550,000. Um, and that that price is probably more than what it naturally be because of the shortage that the mayor just mentioned, but that's based on the land values and the amount of road that you have to build in front of the lot. That's based on this type of development. That is right in the middle of where a lot of families that are buying their second or third home really need that kind of product. And it's just not it's not really available. So, this is 75% brick.

Yes, sir. Is that the same same thing we heard from log four that the same thing we on every every development and every time someone come with a new development the price rear is getting higher and higher. So uh um we we approve everything and the price not going to go down and you [snorts] know I buy you all dinner with the most expensive steak if when that build all these houses are build uh and the price is less than what you just told us tonight.

I don't think the price will go down. The goal is to keep the price from continuing to accelerate and that is the reality that is in this part of the country. my opinion on that. Anyone else with any comments before we vote? Supply demand in the economy. I bought lots of houses in the down economy and that were worth pro well they were worth more than than what I paid for them. 500k or 550 is not what I call affordable affordable each each individual's budget.

Get that fine. just so I can tell you what item number it is. Okay. This is um ordinance 02512-75. All in favor of moving forward to council say I. I. Opposed say no. No. Moves forward with a vote of 3 to2. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a recess now. We will reconvene at 8:00. So just for surprise lighter our family group chat that I'm [laughter] in. Oh no. Say, "Hey, that's why I'm the city council." But yeah, I'm just not going to respond in that room.

Good evening again, everyone. It is 8:02 and we're going to reconvene this meeting. Moving to item number two which is ordinance 02512- 74 an ordinance of the city of Gallatton Center County amending plan Gall community character map and sub s subar [laughter] sub area

sub area okay thank you designations map by changing the community character areas from the rural and suburban character areas to the general urban character area and expanding the number four Gallatton Gateway Industrial Center sub area onto a portion of a parcel PO 106035 totaling 32548.48 acres located south of Highway 31 north of Gateway Drive. Mr. Rose, you're going to be glad when your show's over tonight, aren't you?

That I feel like I need to get some Sabarro's pizza tonight or something. [laughter] Um [clears throat] so this is uh a request to amend the community character area uh map by changing which is part of the comprehensive plan by changing the referenced 325.48 48 acre parcel uh portion of a parcel from the rural and suburban character community uh community character areas to the general urban community character area and expanding the number four Gallatin Gateway Industrial Center sub area onto this as well. Uh just for reference again, the property is located here in the yellow. Uh Round Tree Drive sort of bicts this portion and then hugs the south end and heads into a residential neighborhood. Over here [clears throat] you have all this purple area to the south which is your industrial park. U gate uh you have Facebook and everything down to the south there. Um, as of November 18th, 2025, which is just a few weeks ago, this property was officially annexed into the city of Gallatin city limits. Um the proposal is to change your um the the sub area uh I'm sorry the community character area all to general urban which um does allow for your industrial projects to occur. Uh of course general urban also allows for high density. So

in order to sort of separate this project out from other general urban properties, we are also um proposing or the the applicant is also proposing that the number four Gallatin Gateway Industrial Center sub area also be amended um to include this area so that it's clear that the intent for the property is to go industrial. Um, and I'll show that just what it's showing here on your diagram. Um, that little addition of pink area. If I go back, you'll see it disappear. And then go forward and you'll see it appear. That's the general urban um category. And then if we continue on, you have that gray area. That's the top um right corner, that gray blob. um expands out if you look there. And that's again this this current property. Um and and that kind of pulls in the same intentions as that number four industrial center sub area uh for the Gallatin Gateway Industrial Center is um it's being applied to this property as well. Um as this is a comprehensive plan amendment, planning commission adopts the comprehensive plan and the city council adopts the comprehensive plan. So they adopted a resolution um GMPC resolution number 2025-114 by a vote of 6 to zero um to uh approve this comprehensive plan amendment. And then the applicant uh is here and may wish to make a presentation. Again, um I'm happy to

answer any questions. Uh but again, this would be also before you to make uh an adoption for the comprehensive plan as it's adopted by both bodies. And I'm I'm here to answer any questions if you have them.

Thank you, sir. Um I've been following plan Gatan from the start and I read it again and um where I have an issue is that even in plan Gatan a lot of things are not defined. So if we go back to the gateway industrial center it's not defined as an industrial area already. It's in a plan. It's considered a major employment center. And again, there is nothing we say that even if it's an overlay that light industry need to be build there. It's uh the exact word there uh they say it's anchor rage I think. uh the city should encourage certain properties near the industrial center to become light industrial manufacturer. So there is again on the legal legal staff there is nothing we say that even if we put that overlay um they have to go and do some industrial. So I still have the same the same concern that before that if we change the character area to suburban even [snorts] if we put that overlay they could come and and say hey we still put the development there and we have nothing maybe Susan can help me on that but uh there is nothing there we say that that overlay is going to force them to put industrial on the other side if we if we look at the character area.

There is nothing in the in the rural character area who say you can cannot do industrial on river. There is nothing there in a plan G. And if I go drive there, if I actually drive to um the the gateway industrial center, we have there's actually more open space than we have in the majority of the development. we approve. It's It's all green back there. It's kind of cool, you know. You drive there, all you see is green. Now, if you drive near my property on the Liberty Creek subdivision, uh there there is no no piece of green. So, I don't have a problem uh you know, put the overlay uh extend the industrial center, but keep keep the character area where it is. So we protect ourself uh protect ourself of having a change of heart even if Miss bed telling us that's not the case but you never know. We saw we saw what happened with uh item number one on PED that that came a lot different that was supposed to be but there is nothing on the on the uh green area who say that we can't put industrial there's nothing there it's just we are actually there is nothing nothing in the plan was talking about industrial so that's why Um, so I'm I'm going to make a motion to um to put the the overlay uh the the the overlay to extend the overlay for the gatin uh gateway, but um just that extend the overlay.

I don't want the change of character area. I want to make sure we protect uh we protect the neighbor and that should not be an issue. Changing the character area does not change the zoning. The zoning comes after the change of the character area. That's what we're trying to allow for. I don't think that we can zone industrial in a rural character area.

There's nothing we say we can't. There's nothing we say we can't in in the plan garatan. the the difficulty that you come across is that the um the rural character areas do not allow for industrial at all. So, if you've got that, it sort of conflicts with the um the the ability to go in and zone it industrial when you've got one thing saying yes, it's the sub area plan shows one thing, but then the rural area shows a different thing. Now, that sub the the the current sub area didn't really, you know, say exactly where it's supposed to be, but it also didn't cover the these rural areas. It covered an area that's more industrial or, you know, industrial at this time. So, there was never any sort of thought to make that distinction. But now that it's being proposed outside of where that is, it was our best interpretation of the of the plan, which I agree with you. It's it's not easy to interpret because the it's there's a lot of vaguess to it. And that's purposeful in a lot of in a lot of points because it then allows you the flexibility to be able to do the things that you're wanting to do um and without having to go in and change it every time. Um, but I I think it would conflict if you took that piece out and only did the sub area and not the general urban portion as well. It's that's my opinion, but

yes, ma'am. Thanks. Um, thank you. I just want to make sure I understand. Are and I pardon me, but I'm going to use colors on that map because I can't read what it says down there from here. Um, so are you suggesting that we take sub area 4, which is those gray pixel looking things, and expand that area as opposed to changing the character area name? Is that what you're suggesting? I think what was asked was to change the character area and to extend uh what you call a gray pixel the gray.

Yeah. What what I'm saying is that I have no problem extending uh even if we have we still have no no way even if it's extended we have no way no way to force the owner per the plan garatan to do industrial and that the concern I have because

uh if we go suburban and and suddenly you know there's a change of art we're going to have another development with 200 300 houses. So that's my way to protect the neighbors. Um and the zoning uh again I looked at the zoning. There is nothing will block the industrial zoning on a rural area. Um okay. Well, let me back up just cuz I'm trying to grasp this too. So, but instead of changing the

the big character area, just expand the gray circle to cover that part of the property. I can't speak to what the priorities are there. And if you can just expand a sub area versus a character area, if that would work, that's great. Um I do think that um there are some things with plan Gallatin that um my predecessor agreed with. I do not. But I it's water under the bridge so to speak until another few years goes by before we look at this again. And so much has changed since this was adopted and we don't have the new zoning ordinance yet that was supposed to be in place to make these things happen. Not because people haven't been trying. They have. I mean, it's 500 pages and it's coming eventually. But um if that the but correct me if I'm wrong, but the the um comprehensive plan does not bind this city council to anything. Anybody in any character area can come and ask for something different than what that character area says because the plan G is just a suggestion. It's just a suggestion. I [snorts] agree with you in that part. Um, and as I've said before, in this particular situation, as long as I'm here, I will argue vehemently that it is only resed to [snorts] IR. Y'all can do what you want. I don't vote, you vote. But again, as you've already said, and y'all realize, if you don't want something reszoned, you don't have to vote to reszone it. [laughter] You know, I I was

Area does not entitle the zoning dollar. Correct. And we've had this discussion many times. Yeah. So, I I'm I I just wanted to understand what you were saying so that I could explain it down the road if I needed to. So, thank you. Where where I disagree with you is when you say the the plan Garatin is not binding. Actually, only that chapter is binding. It's on the start of the plan garatan. We say that chapter I think it's chapter eight uh is actually binding. So, and that the plan character area. Again though, the rural character area does have a call out that says industrial is not allowed in this area. So, it doesn't say it's not allowed. You say it's discourage.

Well, the same way the same way the overlay say it's anchorage. That doesn't say that has to be done. I would say though, if it's saying that it's discouraged in that area, then you should look to put it put a character area in place that is encouraged. So that I if if you're trying to do industrial, it would it would not conflict with that recommendation from the plan Gallatin. That that's my best again. I don't disagree with you. That's that's totally sensible. we are having an ongoing argument and not getting us where we need to get to.

And I I don't disagree with you except that in any none of the character area is said that industrial is encouraged. So [snorts] um and I'm pretty sure that if we were talking to the neighbor neighbors who came here and was concerned about what would happen nearby they would have no problem um if we tell them we keep that and we put an overlay and after we can there is nothing will stop us to reason I on a rural there's nothing there so um

but that's very not that doesn't make sense I mean I think I'd start there. Why would you have industrial zone land in a rural character area? Nothing about that sense.

And and again, we looked at what the other areas in town that are zoned industrial have as designation. And it's it's that general urban character area. And so trying to remain consistent with that is also something that we we tried to do uh from a planning standpoint as far as what we recommended to the applicant that they should apply for. I mean, that's, you know, we're we're trying to give them the best information that they can have as they come to you and ask for the these requests so that, you know, it it meets the least amount of opposition, I guess. But um

so so to reiterate for everyone's benefit because we've spent a lot of time commenting on something that doesn't apply. This is to change the community character area and the sub area um to the general urban character area and expanding the the Gateway Industrial Center sub area onto a portion of parcel um I'm sorry I'm having a hard time focusing. um the 325 acres located south 31. So it's changing changing the character map and the sub area designation. That's what we have before us.

Right. Both. And and Pascal is trying to u motion to um only do this gray area, the sub area portion, not the not the the first part which would change the character areas. That's the distinction is what he's asking for. That was my motion. Made a motion and a motion dies for lack of a second. Motion to approve or motion to send to council. Sorry. Motion to send forward to council by Councilman Carter. Second.

Second by Councilman Alexander. Is there further discussion and or further questions? How would I stand? Ordinance 02512-74. All in favor of moving forward to council, please say I. I.

Oppose say no. And Councilman Juvantes. Okay. Okay, moving to item number four, which is resolution R2512-94, a resolution of the city council of the city of Gallatin, authorizing the property owners and applicant to submit an application to annex three parcels totaling 109.74 acres, tax math 112, parcels 047.0047.08, and tax math 127, parcel 027.04, 4 and0.781 plus or minus acres of state route um 25 Hartsville Pike into the city located along and south of Hartsville Pike and east of Carolyn Lane. All right. [clears throat] So this is uh 1714 and 1750 uh an uh Hartsville Pike um and Berry Lane annexation. The owner and applicant are they're starting the process of annexation by uh petitioning the council to ask permission to submit an application for an annexation of 109.74 plus or minus acres of land and uh 781 plus or minus acres of state route uh state route 25 and/hartsville Pike. uh this is the first stage of their process. Uh of course we'll follow that up with an annexation study and and then a proposal for the uh plan of services and and so on and so forth. Um the property [clears throat] is located again

Hartzville Pike is right here. Um, and then [clears throat]

uh I think it was Carolyn Lane or what? Let's see. Yeah, Carolyn Lane was I believe this street to the west over here. [snorts] Um, anyway, municipalities will typically consider annexation for the following reasons. uh to ensure orderly future growth of the city and its surrounding areas to ensure unified planning and zoning regulations and enforcement consistent with the adopted comprehensive plan and UGB plan [snorts] to protect or enhance the current and future municipal tax base to increase the size and population of the community to distribute the cost of providing municipal services more equitably and to facilitate the long range planning for the provision of those services and to coordinate m municipal services. Uh at this time we have not again received a plan for a development of this property although I've I've at least seen a conceptual plan that would include some residential in the lower portions uh and likely um some version of maybe some mixeduse or commercial at the Hartsville Pike frontage. Um, that's about the extent of what I've seen. Again, nothing's been submitted to the city at this point in time. Uh, they would have to work out access issues and all of that as development plans come through. Um, [clears throat] again, I can try to answer any questions you may have. I know the applicant is also here as well.

Questions for Mr. Mr. Javant, how is it a continuous annexation? So, you've got the purple area up here and you've got State Route U 25 Hartsville Pike and then you've got contiguity because of the the annexation of that segment of Hartsville Pike. All right. That's where where I have an issue. Um because I already I'm sorry. Can you repeat your question again? How is it contiguous?

Okay. Gotcha. Thank you. because I I I read in a packet uh and there was a letter in a packet g by de developer um where um a lady uh Leslie S from T dot um said that she was giving consent um to an egg that 280 ft of state highway. She's a legal counsel of T dot. Um she doesn't have the the authority to approve uh to give from the state to give the land to us. She doesn't have that authority. She's a legal council. She's here for advice the same way that Susan doesn't have the authority to give a piece of land from the city to someone. So, um, I have an issue with that first and second, I don't know if I need to cry or to laugh on that one because we're talking about annexing if we could where until I see uh someone in a state u where there should be um a state agency with authority over that land. So that would be the department of general service for that case. Uh give authorization to annex. Uh I I just think that any normal person will find that ridiculous. We're going to annex 280 ft of road. So we're going to put a sign on the right. We say welcome to Gatan. 280 ft later we're going to put hey by you're not in Gatan anymore. and on the state highway maybe a mile and a

half later we're going to put another one say welcome to Garatan everything on the left of that development is in a county and I don't think that never going to be annexed in a city because I don't see all these honors make a request to annex in a city so we creating a don at all stuff we have been told not to do from the out and the the the pink staff is a right away. So basically what they do they they try to annex a piece of highway uh because there is a right away on the other side to touch touch a right away to make it contiguous. I I don't think we can do that. Um there was an uh attorney general Tennessee opinion 031 158 who talk about that and who basically warned the cities not to do that because that could be challenged in court and um they call that annexation by asphalt and they say that could be challenged because um

[snorts] um they call that strip street strip annexation. So um on top of the fact like I I said you know the city is still in default of previous plan of service where we know that until the judge said we're in default we technically not in default but that that should not be that should not be the case. If we know in default or in default, but that's another another discussion. But uh

I think the difference between strip annexation and this annexation is you strip annexation is where you would extend a road annex a strip of roadway out a long ways in order to be able to stay contiguous to a piece of land that's further out. This is not that case where you have adjacency directly across the road from that. You're you're literally just adj uh annexing that adjacent roadway along with this to be able to uh to do the same thing, but it's a right when you're right across the way from it. It's not the same thing.

It's a right away. It's stretching, you know. Uh it's a stretch. We we're just trying to expand where we should not we should we we should follow the rule of annexation. You you told us when you started to talk and that doesn't mean the intent of the rules. That doesn't mean the intent of the rules. We trying to push the city past county limits by annexing a 280 foot of state highway. I'm a colleague. I'm going to ask you to weigh in so we can quit this conversation.

I believe and Mr. uh Rose can correct me. We've already annexed that piece of property that that that ride ofway in the past. Does it extend this far?

Yes. So, we've that we're we're not really annexing here, but I know in the past you have brought up that you you didn't believe that annexation was done properly. Um, if that is the case and it wasn't done properly, then it goes to the center line [laughter] and that's how it becomes it's contiguous because of the purple. Not saying you should or shouldn't annex, just saying it's contiguous. So, so what they're explaining is that this section of roadway had already been annexed in a previous annexation and the piece that's being basically said that would help to [clears throat] you know finish it off is just the end portion

that still doesn't change that doesn't mean the intent you all what's on the left is counted. Yes. On the left of that property that's not city again with on the left of the property here. Yes. Yes. That's county. So we're basically basically jumping over county land to annex. If they want to develop, why don't they develop in the county? But on the north side, you're adjacent to city property, including the roadway and this. So, it's not it's not a jump to it. It's contiguous because

this really shouldn't be you shouldn't be having to debate this with the council. The debate should be among the council. The request is um permission to submit an application. So,

it's going to pass anyway. So well you know but I think I think that doesn't mean the intent of annexation and we just going to have a donut all of county uh county there in middle of the of the city just just for no reason just to expand uh where we don't need and the other issue that until we have station one uh back there that's far away and that's you know Well, that's probably that doesn't meet the the regular call. So, uh but hey, that's that's me. I will vote no against it. I said the request is um allowing the applicant to submit an application for annexation. So, I would ask there's further discussion or questions relevant to that. council their the request.

We're not approving anything. [snorts] Correct. I don't know that you vote tonight on that. I think it's just annexation study um which we we already have scheduled. So I don't know that you have to move something to council even. Is that right? Resolution. No, we still would have to move it to council. Okay.

Yes. It still it has to follow it has to go through a resolution if council determines that they want them to be able to submit an application. They will have to do that by resolution. I think anybody deser I didn't hear that. I'm sorry. He said that he thinks anyone should have the right to submit an application, but you didn't make a motion. I make a motion we submit an application.

The motion would be to move the resolution forward to council. The the proper motion would be to move the resolution forward to council if that's where you are. Okay. Dies by lack of second. Councilman, I'm sorry. What' you say? Say dies by lack of second.

I'm still trying to get his motion articulated, which was and he hasn't yet. I make the motion because I believe anybody deserves the right to submit an application. There's the reason I'm making the motion that we move it on.

Okay. Now we have a motion. Motion does die for lack of a second. Okay, let's move on to item number five, which is resolution R2512-96. Um, a resolution of the city of Gallatton, Simar County, adopting a plan of services for the annexation of a 5.09 acre parcel located south of Highway 25 east of Highway 109 providing for an effective date. And then this is also related to um item number six which is resolution R2512-97 um which is the resolution annexing the 5.09 acre parcel

[cough] um authorizing the annex property to be indicated on the official zoning atlas assigning the annexed area to a council district repealing conflicting ordinances providing for severability and providing for an effective date. Thank you. Um, and before I start, can I just ask a clarification question from the previous um, because there was a motion in lack of second, what action should I if there was no action, [snorts] is there some direction that I can give to the applicant or what appears that the council is not in favor of annexing this property? I mean, they didn't get a second

guidance I would offer is to Okay, I'm back at some point in the future or come back with more information that may compel them. I don't know.

Okay. All right. Thank you. [clears throat] So, the next pro parcel, it's the Frank property. Uh, this is a request to annex a 5.09 acre parcel, a plus or minus acre parcel, uh, located south of Highway 25 and east of Highway 109 in the city of Gallatin. uh authorizing the annex property be indicated on the official zoning atlas [clears throat] and in assigning it an official council district. Uh property is located again on highway south of I highway 25 and then 109 is right here. Uh it's a 5.09 acre parcel right there. Uh directly to the east is the Wedgewood Town Homes project which will connect Wedgewood Drive up here into Nexus uh directly above that. Uh at this point in time there is no plan for development that has been proposed. Um I know this has been before you a few times and so tonight is kind of your final night on this one. uh and and again the proposal is to annex it uh into the city. The plan of services did not really highlight anything uh different than what typical plan of services would do. Uh no additional fire or police staff. uh any development of the property, they would have to bring their services to the to the property and uh build those themselves and and then of course submit them to us as as

uh public acceptance of those improvements. Um happy happy to motion by Councilman Carter to send forward to council both items five and six. Yes, mayor. Have a motion to send items five and six forward to council. Second. Thank you. Second by Councilman Jones. It's resolution R2512-96 and resolution R2512-97. Discussion, questions. Councilman Jven,

I have a question for Susan. Put you on the spot again. Sorry. um when when we change a way to do annexation all right we use uh the MTAS model [snorts] um the issue I have and we we had that come every time and I'm talking about it every time is that the when we get something like that with just a piece of land with nothing on it there is no way to do a plan of service because the plan of service we have today is depending being on five cows on a property. Now if when they they bring a PMDP there is uh it's what five five acres so there is uh 45 50 60 town houses that would be a different plan of service because here we don't need PD we don't need fire but if we add you know 200 people lay on that spot we're going to need more PD and more fire. So is there is a way next year to change the way we do that to required before annexation that we still have an idea of what they can do.

You can suggest request but you cannot require that um because we lost the ability to reszone and annex simultaneously when we became a municipal uh planning commission. We don't have authority to annex outside now and so we we can't reszone at the same time and any plan that might be submitted would be just as up in the air as

we could not it would not be binding. We could not hold so you're going to be in the same situation. Um, and [clears throat] and I will say kind of going back the kind of the reason that we um going back to the former item where we make them now request to file an application instead of allowing them is so that we don't waste city resources and the applicants time also. If there's something that council knows they're not going to annex, uh, then it makes sense they have to request and we don't go all the way through planning to get here and for council to say we're never going to Yeah, it's a

we're never going to annex that. So, we have that new step. Um, but we do have to have a kind of a a bifurcated process now, unfortunately. And, you know, no one likes it. I don't like it. Planning doesn't like it. But that unfortunately, unless we can get a change in the law, and that's something that we can request um through our local legislation is legislators is to request that maybe they tie that up a little bit. But until we do that, that's the system that we have unfortunately because if we look just at my ear, we just, you know, we we just that land where that was the same plan of service. We're not going to need any police, any fire and suddenly we get uh

but now a lot of times they do tell it like a a big development typically will tell us what they're planning to do there. They can do a complete plan of services. Um it's it's fairly rare that we have no idea what the thought process is. I think I know because I see what's what's proposed on the on the [snorts] one on the right side. So I know that's going to be the same thing. So uh but that was just question maybe we need to to reach to legislator to change the law because that doesn't make the job easier on the planning on you know the first responders and services. I agree.

Uh we vote no for it. What else? Comments, questions. Okay. These are resolutions R251296 and 97. Motion a second to move forward to council. All in favor of moving forward to council, please say I. I. Oppose say no. No. It passes 3 to2. We will move to item number seven which is cages bin annexation study. Mr. Rose. All right. You guys sick of me yet? This is this is my last one. Do you want my honest answer?

Um all right. Cages Bend Road annexation. The city has received a petition for annexation of 2041 CA Cages Bend Road. Let me get to it here. Um, this is the annexation study for the property. Uh, the property is 4.47 plus or minus acres located south of Nashville Pike and east of Cages Ben Road just south of Caldwell Place. And I'll just point it out really quickly here. Caldwell Place is the development that is occurring basically kind of in this area right here. Uh this is the area in green highlighted there. That is the proposal uh for the annexation. Applicant has submitted their legal description and survey of the property as shown in the PowerPoint here. Uh they're simply um moving along the process. The annexation study uh again did not it's similar to the Frank property did not really bring any um big ticket items that uh would have to be done in order to uh be able to provide services to this property. Uh there are actually u services in C'sbend Road. So, um, you know, it's it's not a huge ask to be able to extend anything to that and to within that property. Um, fire and police didn't indicate any necessary additional personnel for that as well. Um, so, uh, very very simple annexation study. So,

questions for Mr. Brez. Okay, we'll move along to item number eight. And you can sit down, Mr. Rose. Ordinance 02512-65. David Kellogg, public utility superintendent. Ordinance approving purchase and authorizing funds in the total amount of $940,000 from water sewer 2025 bond sales for water treatment plant land purchase. Good evening, Mayor Brown. Council, um, this is a piece of property that is behind the water plant. Uh, we approached this property owner a couple years ago when we purchased the Kirkpatrick property, trying to purchase them both at the same time. At that time, the property owner was uninterested in selling. Now that we've started working on the raw water intake, uh, she's come back to us and said that she's now interested in um, in selling. The property was appraised. Um when we appraised the Kirkpatrick property, she's accepted the appraised u value of the property and that's what we would like to to purchase.

Motion to send to council by Councilman Jivvant, second by Councilman Alexander. Any questions? Any comments? This is ordinance 02512-65. All in favor say I. I. Oppose say no. Moves forward with unanimous support. Item nine is ordinance 02512-66 ordinance amending Galla municipal code chapter 17 article 2 section 17-59 and chapter 17 article 3 section 17-180 water and sewer rates. Mr. Kellogg,

this is the ordinance implementing the changes that uh were presented by Jackson Thornton uh back in November. Um it's just the rate change for for their recommendations. Motion to motion by Councilman Carter, second by Councilman Jones. Opening the floor for discussion, questions that Mr. Gvance.

Thank you, Mayor. Um I had a lot of comment about that and the main comment and we talk about it already um is irrigation and I know that the most of the door in the city at certain period of time but I think where people have the most issue with it they don't have issue when they use their system they have issue when they don't use the system and they don't understand why they get charged a meter charge when they don't use the system. So, um I I would like to make an amendment because we we charge already uh 35 cents more for uh irrigation per cubic feet. I think that's what it is. Uh 1192, 375, 340. So, 35 cents. And I think people who are would have less problem if we were making that maybe a little more and get rid of of [snorts] the the meter charge uh that having to pay a meter charge that people don't understand. I agree with that. I think when they don't use why why they pay a meter charge and we don't have to go on a discussion of you know the the draw because we know that um so maybe you I'm not going to make an amendment tonight I'm never send it to council maybe can you look into it to see if there was there would be a way to get rid of the meter charge and charge maybe a little more on the cubic side than just charging meter charge Sure. I can go back to Jackson Thor and have them look at what we're what revenue is generated off the meter charge for the irrigation and see what that would translate into a a rate charge

because maybe 1 cent or two cent more on on the cubic will cover that. I I I don't know. That's why I'm asking you to look into it. Probably more than that. But um if you could bring that to the next council, I would appreciate that. Okay. Thank you, sir. I second. Motion was seconded already. Sorry, I have that um motion. Um oh, and another question, please. Sorry, mayor. I'm saying in a damp year that could hurt revenues. They're supporting your investment. Go ahead with your question.

Uh there was 17180 on on that ordinance on a sewer service rate. Um outside city limit, you put 125 cubic feet minimum for 1942. What? What? That minimum minimum shouldn't be in there. That's a typo. Okay.

Okay. Ordinance 02512-66. All in favor of moving forward say I. I. Post say no. Moving on to 02512-67, chapter 17, article 4, section 1757, water tap and installation fees. Um, section 17-63 through 17-65, 17- I'm sorry, section 1763 through 1765, utility service extension regulations. In section 1717, application fees required for sanitary sewer. Motion to move to councel. Second. You like to say anything, Mr. Cohen?

It's just updating uh tap fees that haven't been updated in a while and allowing us to treat property owners that are doing small projects the same as the ones that are doing big projects. So, development is consistent. Motion and second to send forward to council. Ordinance 02512-67. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Moves forward unanimously supported. Item 11 is ordinance 02512-71. Ordinance awarding bid and authorizing funds in the total amount of $2 million from natural gas reserves for 2025 annual gas line construction. That's what it is.

Our annual uh gas maintenance service construction project. Um just appropriating funds and awarding contract. Motion by Councilman Van, second by Councilman Alexander. Any questions, discussion? That just for the city. That's nothing to extend outside of the city. It's just It is wherever our gas system is. It's to put services primarily is what the project is. It's services to houses, businesses. um a subdivision in town once gas it extends into that subdivision. It's ordinance 02512-71. All in favor say I.

I. Post say no. I'm going to abstain.

Four. Any against 41 abstension. Item 12 is resolution RG512-88. A resolution to eliminate services provided by the city of Gallatton natural gas department related to lighting natural gas pilots for customers. Mr. Kellogg, Mayor Brown, this is uh a resolution eliminating um one of the services that we do for lighting pilots for people. Our insurance carrier recommended that we cease uh that practice uh because of the liability. Um I think our our attorney would also agree that there is a liability there. Um, so this is the resolution to to cease doing that service

and send to council. Motion by Councilman Jivvant, second by Councilman Jones or Carter. Jones. Uh, discussion. [cough and clears throat] What will be the plan when somebody calls asking you to do that? Now, we will give them a list of licensed certified contractors to do that. And if we turn the gas off to make a repair, we will do the same thing. And we will have a a contractor on uh retainer to to do those same things that we would pay for.

If we do the work, we would pay for it. If it's your house and you do it, then you would pay for it. There any way, Mr. Kellogg, I understand the liability of it, but is there anything we could do, senior citizens could be exempted from this? I I shouldn't even looked at you. I knew what you that would be against my advice and I I understand old people think about I I do I I do understand but it's a it's a great liability to the city and our carrier is pretty much demanding that we do this. All right. I tried.

But Mr. Alexander, we do want to take care of you guys. [laughter] Resolution R2512-88. All in favor of moving forward to council say I. Oppos say no. Moves forward unanimously. Item 13 is ordinance 02512-73 [snorts] appropriating $750,000 for the BL Avenue storm water project. Mr. Tuttle.

Yeah. Thank you, ma'am. Um, as as the mayor said, this is a request to appropriate $750,000 from the unassigned storm water utility fund. So, this is money um in the bank in the account uh but was not appropriated through our normal budgeting process, but it is in accordance with our capital improvement program that was adopted and we're ready to move forward with these designs and rightway acquisition and put this alongside uh the BL Avenue road widening project so that these stormwater projects are happening concurrently. Motion to send it on to council. Second. Motion by Councilman Carter, second by Councilman Jones. Questions, discussion this ordinance 02512-73. All in favor say I.

I. Oppose say no. Does move forward to council unanimously. Item 14 is resolution R2512-90 resolution accepting public improvements by the city of Gallatin and Meadow Glenn at Fairway Farm section 3A. Mr. Tuttle. Oh, you want to do both of them? if you don't mind including resolution R2512-91 as well.

Uh same subdivision, two different sections, section 3A and section 4A of Meadow Glenn at Fairway Farms. Uh they include uh portions of Crowley Lane, Wakefield Lane, Rosie Dale Drive, and Grassy Glenn Drive. And these sections of roadways and storm water infrastructure are ready to be accepted. A motion by Councilman Carter, second by Councilman Van. Any questions? Any discussion? Okay. This is um resolution R2512-90 and 91. Moving forward to council. All in favor say I.

I. Oppose. They both move forward unanimously. We're skipping 16. Moving down to item 17, which is ordinance 02512-69, ordinance appropriating $15,000 from project Woolhawk for building codes department expenses. And Mr. Harris is at the podium.

This is to uh purchase three gas monitors uh se uh $7,500 and the remaining of that money would be needed for office equipment that were needed. We're rearranging some things in the office, freeing up some space for planning, moving those folks out into another room, and we're just trying to u make the best of a bad situation. Motion to send it on to council. Motion by Councilman Carter, second by Councilman Jones. Questions, discussion? It's ordinance 02512-69. All in favor say I.

Oppos say no. Thank you so much, Mr. Harris. Item 18 is resolution RT512-92. Um, Miss Courtney Ken, Jimmy, and Rosemary Bates. Um, this is a resolution to revise the city of Gallatton personnel classification plan and add additional headcount within the Gallatin Economic Development Agency. Well, hey everybody. I'm back. Uh Courtney has done a great job trying to take a concept, a job description for a create a job description for a municipality that does not exist anywhere else in in a municipal

in a municipality at least in the state of Tennessee and in some other areas. So the but I think that we finalized the job description. If you have questions, please let us know about that. But the other part of this is determining what pay grade the person would go into. If you just look at the job and don't attach a human being to it, you have one conversation. If you remember from Mr. Hazelbaker's presentations, he has a had a very specific request. What uh what what I don't know that was ever discussed was was that request including uh benefits because if it's not then you would have more uh money to appropriate including benefits. Um he has been researching that and he is here tonight and he has information. And then uh Miss Ken Jimmy has information too. But again, it's been very challenging to look at a comparable pay rate when there isn't really anything to compare to. We're we're plowing new ground here, so to speak. So, is that sufficient?

That is fair. Uh so, what I did hand out though is our is our salary um pay table. So, um, yeah, we and as Rosemary said, we did find some some comparables. Most of the time, positions of this nature are within a, um, county or area tourism organization as opposed to inside of a municipality. Um, there is one that is closely related out of uh, Chattanooga, which is again out of a tourism body as opposed to the uh, municipality. But based on that and some other norming, there's a suggestion on where it could land if it is something you want to continue with. Also, just a reminder that if you do approve this and continue to move it forward, as we do with all job positions, it would have to be posted. Initially, we start out internally, then it would be posted externally. There would be applicants. they would have to be vetted and called down and uh we would follow that process. So this is not you have a person who would like to have the job they are going to have to go through the application process just like anybody else would and even if you pass this resolution tonight um funding would have to be presented separately uh as an ordinance. So while the position you may approve the headcount if the money is not there the position cannot be filled. So that is separate from tonight which is approving job description and determining a level of salary if that is what you choose.

Mr. Thank you mayor. Um I can't really approve a position if I don't know what salary we're going to put there. I think that it's it's all together. So, uh, what's your, you don't have to give the number, but you can give us the grade you think about so we have an idea of of what you guys thinking because it's hard, it's hard to approve a position without knowing how much how much it's going to cost the city.

Absolutely. I I guess the the challenge here has been [snorts] all along the way you have implied and indicated by moving it forward that you um felt like you agreed with the value proposition that Mr. Hazelbaker presented which was a salary of $100,000 again including benefits or not including benefits. Um, I think that that has been what you've been looking at. And I think the challenge here is because there's nothing to compare it to that is, you know, apples to apples or even fruit to fruit sometimes. Um, this is really where we're kind of in a this land where we need you to determine what pay grade you want to put it in. And then if that is something that is palatable to people who want to apply then they apply and if it is not then they don't apply or they understand and they go with the the uh pay grade that you picked. I again Mr. Hazelbaker is here. He is the one who has been championing this and we've been happy to bring it forward because there are other council people who ask us to and again so far as I recall it's gotten unanimous votes. So, we're in [snorts] a little bit of a quandry ourselves about where you want to place this in the in the pay grades and and steps.

Miss Ken, Jimmy, don't you have some comparables some some numbers that you found other places? some similar positions. And again, if we go apples to oranges, not necessarily apples to apples, um the the Chattanooga position when adjusted for location and municipality, so industry as opposed to um tourism specific, it would probably land in the SA to SB. Um do these numbers A or SB? Okay. Same S salary. Yes, salary is salary A or B

when compared. So it would it by comparison in in Chattanooga it is roughly uh a position very similar was listed and is and is looking to be filled for the uh 79 so 80 to $100,000 um area when normed for cost of living and all of those other things it would take us in the anywhere from 55 to 75 range. Um, in my opinion, I have something uh Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead, young man. [laughter]

Um, I definitely want to see this position come to the city of Gallatton. Um, I am more so in favor of the salary range um from the SA to S to SB uh range. Um, and I think we need to hurry up and do this. uh my little niece cheers for Cheerville and we went to oh several weeks ago we went to it's not a competition it's just where they go and they just perform for everybody to see. It was $15 per person to go in that building and there were probably 10 of us that went to see her and this is not even a real competition. It was only Cheerville and high schools. So

an expo. Yes, an expo. That's what we went to. $15, y'all. We need to be recognizing this kind of income for the city of Gallatin because we also have to drive an hour away with no restaurants around where if we can find somewhere in Gallatin to put this, we have tons of restaurants here. We have tons of restaurants coming and Cheerville that's stationed right down the street and headquartered in Hendersonville and they have locations here. they can be using our facilities instead of all of our families from Galton, Hmonsonville in Summer County going hours away to go do stuff or going to Lebanon like we can have that right here. Where where did y'all go? I'm just curious.

Oh, dang. [snorts] That place it was in Kentucky. You have a privately owned facility or I think it's like a city park or something or a city facility. I'm just curious. you all have to look it up right now

to add to what Mr. Carter is saying um without revealing too much because in my [clears throat] perspective, my participation in the conversation about this is conf the information is confidential, but we continue to have interest from people who want to bring revenue generating sports projects and entities to the city of Gallatton. We've also been having conversations with some of the professional sports in Nashville about uh the possibilities for facilities and expanding their their ability to access other facilities and quite frankly to grow a job pipeline. I mean unfortunately today college sports is a money maker. It's a job. college kids can make millions of dollars on NI name, image, and likeness, NIL. Um, so they are looking at pipelines of players to develop into minor leagues and professional leagues. So I agree that the the position is necessary. Again, it's whatever you're comfortable with in terms of the the recommendation. And you said A and B, right? A or B. Yes, ma'am.

Did you have a preference? Well, one or the other. uh essay. Okay. Oh, so that so that facility we went to was the Michael Buchanan Park in Bowling Green and that was just $15 per person. My sister um and her family and my my little niece and dad and everybody, they went to another one in Lebanon like two weeks ago and that one was I think 30 or $40 per ticket per person for everybody six age six and above. Do these numbers include benefits or are these plus benefits? That's just salary.

Councilman Chbance.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, I agree with Councilman Couter. I'll be on the essay side. Um, yeah, that's what you said, essay. Yeah. Uh and I think that that just my way of thinking uh because everything we have related to sport right now is on the park and rigs and I think that position should be attached to the park and rigs because that's where where we're going to go do our sports. And uh just a thought came in my head is that if we try to develop sport facilities here, maybe we need to uh keep some land available instead of building all the houses on there because when we don't have more land, we're not going to build anything. Uh and my last thing before you I see you coming at me um

coming at you on the uh minimum qualification uh when you talk about equivalent combination of education and experience. Uh [snorts] I think they need maybe a little more detail on what kind of experience and uh is that on top of the bachelor degree or is that's

so right now a bachelor's degree would would equate essentially to four years of experience. So if one had you know three years of experience but didn't have a bachelor's degree they would need another four years of experience in order to kind of equate. And that's just simple numbers, but um or if they had two years of experience at a $7 million, you know, revenue generating entity that may be able to qualify. So,

well, I think there would be a little more explanation because uh you know, I was an equestrian at level. I've spent 20 years in equestrian but that doesn't mean I could develop a uh you know a [snorts] soccer complex or something like that. So um or I would have the business degree to uh to go there. So I think they need a little more a little more definition there. If I can real quick address the parks part. So, we that was one of the the pieces that Rosemary and I kind of talked about originally in that uh the position itself is not you get closer to the microphone.

I'm I'm sorry. Sorry. Okay.

I'm usually loud. So, um one of the things that that Rosemary and I had talked about before was that I guess maybe initially my understanding was that the position was going to be kind of tournament management and that's not the thought. And so if you look at the job description, it is more business development uh directed, which is where we kind of fell into economic development as opposed to tournament management. It's to it's to help bring in businesses or connect with community partners specifically initially with a with a goal of building this sports complex which would then feed into the tournament management of the parks department. Am I saying that right? Now you're this is a business development position and um without going into a lot of detail and explanation. It it it requires a certain set of skills uh maintaining confidentiality and being able to work at an elevated level with CEOs and business professionals at very top levels making lots of money and spending lots of money in their community. not and there may be someone in parks and wreck who applies for it, you know, which would be great if they've got this qualification. So, I I'm not fan. Sorry.

Are we going to have a job description and this person in my opinion is going to need a staff? Maybe. No, I don't know what. No, there won't be any staff. No.

So, they'll be on their own. We don't anticipate there is a vacant position in my budget that I would like to fill if this is added to my department. Josh and I are already Gallatin is incredibly popular right now with commercial, retail, and industrial. The list is long. Things I cannot share with you because of confidentiality, but good things that are coming. I'm very um uh what is the word? I don't just say yes to anything that wants to come here and build. I' I've said no to a company that I didn't feel was the right fit for Gallatton. Doesn't stop them from buying property if they want to and trying to build a business here, but I've told them this is not something we would champion because of their culture and I don't think it would be a good fit. So, um, but it would be nice if we could fill that third position so we all three would have some sort of, um, uh, [snorts] administrative assistance because these positions, what Josh and I do and what this person will be doing, we need to be out of the office a lot meeting with companies and and existing industries and and in some ways um, we're we have to make a decision every week. Are we going to do an existing industry that's looking to expand? Are we going to devote our time to this company that wants to come in and is on a tight timeline and needs us to turn things around every day? And sometimes we're working on one project all day long to try and make that happen. But um but no, we wouldn't add any more staff that's already in the budget.

Some type of support or staff one in this because it's g to get this off the ground. It's going to take a whole lot of time and a whole lot of hours. if um you you have that position open, why why you didn't feel it? I know you had an ad an administrative assistant position. Why why why you didn't feel it? We wanted to get Josh started and uh get him as far as long as we could and see if the interest in Gallatin, you know, going into when we hired Josh, we were heading into a new uh presidential administration with lots of uh anticipated changes, tariffs, and all those things. So, we wanted to get acclimated to what this new administration uh uh what what that uh what what might happen and whether

I asked them to hold off. [laughter] Okay. Thank you for saving me there. Yeah. But now now that we know where we're going, you have the need. Why don't you advertise it? It's you you already have it in a budget. So, why don't you advertise it and get an administrative position? Well, I I had promised the mayor that we would take time and as soon as she and I have a moment to talk and she's a if she agrees that we're at a point, especially if we add this position that we're ready to get that hire. Also, if we are going to add this position, I would like to uh know that before we hire this other person. I want to I want the third

the other person in our office to be very clear about what their responsibilities are. They're going to have some autonomy with our existing industries, but they're also going to have some administrative duties. And and whenever you're hiring someone to do a uh existing industries coordinator, they don't necessarily think they have to sit at a desk and answer the phone and open the mail and code an invoice or keep up with a budget line. So, I want to make it clear to whoever we hire that but this is the scenario now. You are helping three people plus doing your own job. Is I think that's fair to you. Makes sense. Thank you, ma'am. Motion to send it on to council.

Okay. Motion by Councilman Carter. Second. Second by Councilman Alexander. Okay. No, I was uh I would like to make an amendment that we consider uh uh S4 as salary. If you want to do that. SA SA. Sorry, SA. Yeah, you said that I did not have my glasses on. That was not on a motion. So, sorry. How long do you think this process is going to take to get this person in place?

Uh, realistically, I wouldn't try to even post it right this close to uh the holidays. We can, but if we did, I would leave it open for January amount sometime into January. because you don't want to have somebody be out of town or miss the opportunity to apply. It's something we need to get started. Maybe by I would say at this point in the year with the holidays, uh you're probably looking at the earliest you could have someone hired the earliest because you've also got to appropriate the money into the budget. So I would say hired maybe and get the money appropriated in February, some point in February. I can't say early, middle, or late at this point.

I don't think we can post it anyway until we approve the job description, right? Yeah. As soon as you until we approved it, right? That's why this is here. Yeah. Yeah. Got to get this done first before we can then appropriate the money and then simultaneously start advertising and then decide. So, you want an amendment to set the pay SA. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? I oppose. So the motion is now amended to move forward to council. Did you guys want to give Mr. Hazel back since he's standing up there? He's like shaking his head. I know. Didn't want you to feel not be here in case and you know so um he usually works night so I'm appreciate that he's here.

Thank you. Sorry it's been so long. Questions for him y'all. Okay let's vote on this. It's resolution R512-92. All in favor moving forward to council with the SA pay scale say I. I oppose say no. Does move forward with unanimous support. Item 19 is resolution R2512-93 resolution amending the city of Gallatton personnel rules and regulations rule 16 section section 162 and 163. Literally adding the words beginning with the first full pay period of employment to both our vacation and sick approvals as written in our policy. Motion sent to council.

Motion by Councilman Javant. Second by somebody over here. Okay, Councilman Alexander. All in favor uh well questions. All in favor of moving forward say I. I.

Oppos say no. Does move forward unanimously. Item 20 is resolution R2512-95. This is a resolution update the city of Gallatton compensation plan by removing assistant director of codes position and adding a commercial plan reviewer within the codes department. Miss Ken Jimmy. So with the uh promotion of our assistant director of codes into the department head position um he has chosen to request to reclass that vacant position into a different kind of position. Um it the commercial plans reviewer position which is a different pay grade. Um, so there is a financial savings as compared to what was budgeted for the assistant director of codes position, but that description is in front of you with the the pay grade listed.

Motion to send to council. Motion by Councilman Jant, second by Councilman Carter. Questions, discussion. All in favor of moving forward to council say I. I.

Opposed? Moves forward unanimously. Item 21. She's so excited to have an item on the agenda and we made it be last and blame Angela. It's a resolution RT512-98 resolution authorizing the mayor to sign a software as a service agreement between the city and Tyler Technologies for the purpose of moving enterprise um ERP and enterprise permitting and licensing software from an on- premises environment to a Tyler Technologies hosted cloud environment. motion and send to council. [laughter] Second, make it. I think we need to at least explain why it's on the agenda.

Yeah,

but I appreciate the motion, the second. I do appreciate that. I I'll go with [clears throat] it. Um, [snorts] back during budget season, I asked and you granted me the opportunity to move our intergov and mun systems to the cloud. [clears throat] So, uh, now is the time to sign the contract. The contract is in excess of $300,000 to begin with, but the reason I need your, uh, approval is because it contains a couple of non-negotiable third-party terms and conditions that, uh, Tyler just would not budge on. And, I feel that they're low risk and that they will not ever present a problem necessarily. So, I recommend that we go ahead and uh forward with this

motion and second still stand. Yes, ma'am. Okay, questions. All right. Resolution R2512-98. All in favor say I. I. Opposed? Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, let's move forward now to other business. Councilman Jivants.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, you know, I travel a lot and I go to plenty of downtown all over the country and uh um I go to downtown here and I think uh a staff who who kind of bother me on the downtown is that we have business who not just in the downtown area but near the downtown area and people don't know about it. Um we have shops in front of the courthouse. people know only they go to the courthouse they don't know there and in a lot of city I go uh when you arrive in the downtown they have small signs are really nice uh will give you a direction the business you know is a restaurant sign or whatever and so you know it's there and you can go and I think I think uh we talk a lot about uh helping our business and I think that would be a cheap uh cheap investment uh for for the return return on investment we should have you know helping our business and so um I I would like to see if we can explore that

I don't understand what you're saying explore explore signs explore yeah for signs to to help because I know I know the the chamber put the kiosk but there is only one kiosk and it's not you know it's only one where you couldn't do specific speific you could do restaurants and yeah you you have an arrow we say restaurant um I'm sandwich shop there with euros sign restaurant so people know it's I don't think we could do specific businesses it would have to be general because otherwise we'd miss one and or somebody would close and we'd have to change everything

exactly or general but I think uh I think we miss that downtown to where the people who come downtown to figure out where things are and help help the business. If I see on a road there is a restaurant there and I want to eat, maybe I'm going to go there. I'm going to follow this arrow and find that restaurant. The most simple thing that I've seen in a lot of cities, and it makes good sense to me, and I know that we've had discussions, and we've actually done versions of it over the years, is where you have um pedestals that have the downtown map with the businesses on it, and that you would have um flyers that you have at every retailer and restaurant that someone can pick up if they want to learn more about the other businesses on the square. They've been produced at various points in the past, but they have to be maintained and they are somebody's responsibility and can't be the cities, but it would be a great project for downtown Gallatin to do something like that with the business names.

I like the idea of the the map. Uh Jenna, is that something you could look into a kind of map with businesses? And I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry about that. We are currently in the process of that for our 2026 Gallatin Visitor Guide. Um and like I've said before, we've discussed what's called wayfinding signs. It's kind of what you were talking about. Um there's just a lot of factors that go into it. Um but it's something that we could explore. Sure.

We are improving way finding as these roads and the projects are finished up. And yes, projects have put kind of a delay on bringing those signs and the different projects forward. I've had parking is the biggest thing to me. Absolutely. And I've had countless conversations with public works and engineering and we put them in in the past. Had meetings and meetings about getting these signs and figuring it out, but there have just been so many projects that have changed the layout of a lot of things. You can't just put signs everywhere. You have to have some Mr. Dri, did you have something you wanted to add?

Yeah, I just wanted to add on the wayfinding signage for the parking. Uh we had to order astro brackets. It's how we hang the signs from the mast arms. There was a 16week uh delay on those. They actually they actually just came in this week. So within the next couple of weeks, you'll see those going up as well. Sweet, sweet, sweet. Anyone else with other business? Department heads? No department heads. Motion to

Well, no, I'm not finished. I um I uh have gotten many texts. We had an unusual occurrence at the beginning of the meeting where we had a council member's spouse serve the mayor with a lawsuit and um so a lot of people are curious about that. But basically it's a lawsuit that was threatened some time ago um by Mr. Gvants when he left the meeting. So that's what that is with that. I wish you all a very merry Christmas, happy new year, grace, love, kindness, the things of the holidays. Good night everyone. U motion to adjurnn. No, I can't make the motion. I'm asking y'all to motion second. All in favor? I

opposed. Ladies and gentlemen, we're returned. I forgive my father.