Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

It's 03/24/2025, and I am calling the Erie Historic Preservation Advisory Board meeting to order. I've only done it a few times.

Just a few.

Okay. Pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic of which it stands in nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Madam secretary, roll call, please.

Mister Turner.

Here.

Miss

Art. Miss Fuller? Miss Folger? Here. Miss Thomas? Here. And I see Cesar is not here, and David Betsu is not here. And counselor O'Connor? Here. Also here. And Harry Brennan? Here.

Hey. Now just remember the microphones are wrong, so we gotta speak loud enough to be recorded.

And Shoram is a

cheat. Okay. Alright. Has everybody had an opportunity to review the agenda?

Yes. Yes.

May I have a motion?

Motion to approve the agenda.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Laura has motion to accept the agenda as written. It has been seconded by Melanie. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Does everybody had an opportunity to read the minutes?

Yes. Thank you.

Yes.

Okay. Is there a motion?

I can't. Sorry. What do

we need to do? Motion to approve the minutes?

Yes.

K. Motion to approve the minutes.

K. Do I have a second?

I haven't read them, so I don't feel like I should be. Mike, you can technically vote to or make a motion because you didn't write them.

I second. Okay. It is moved by Laura that we accept the minutes as written and seconded by my myself. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Looking that ugly guy up there. Okay. Do we have anybody waiting for public comment?

One has to be present for public comment.

Absolutely.

No need.

And I was saying, didn't know if there was somebody online. No.

We're not live, Mike.

Okay. Yeah. Alright. I'll go on to general business. Arbor Day is April 26. And the question I wanna raise is our buttermens are five years old.

Got topics tonight.

I still have a thousand left. Oh my gosh. But they're kind of stale.

Yikes.

So I was wondering if we should get some candy or something.

Think we shouldn't be liable for broken teeth.

Yeah. So

Now the the candy that we the buttermints that we got had our logo on a packaging. So I don't know if we wanna do that or just have candy to give out. And we don't have to go with expensive stuff. So

I think it makes more sense to just have candy.

Okay. Yeah. You too. Okay. Don't sit down here. Yes. So Deandrea has arrived.

I have. Apologies. You're good.

K. So yeah. So Thank you.

I think given I know that we're having some budget issues that I just I don't think we should make it a bigger deal, whatever it is.

Yeah. Just how much candy do you think we need to buy? Just a couple of bags.

I think you would know what buttermints we started with and what's been consumed since then, so you could probably estimate.

Been five years, and we've done less than 2,000.

So there you go. So we

don't need a whole lot.

Yeah. We don't need a whole lot.

We've met last year what day was inside. I think 600 people. Yeah. So 500 pieces.

Yeah. On the town fair, you know, there's a lot go, but now the kids don't know what buttermints are, they don't really pick them up. And I said, it's candy.

They need to learn. We need to give them the historical values.

And I said, this is your grandma's candy. Yeah. And Yeah. And so but if we wanna spend some money, I need a motion on how much you think we should spend. Because we cannot spend money out of the budget without approval from the board.

Make a motion to purchase between two hundred and fifty and three hundred pieces of candy that are not logoed.

K. How much money do you think that'll be?

Is the goal of this candy for Arbor Day, Town Fair, and Biscuit Day?

Yes.

For all of

it, it has to be candy that's gonna keep.

So I'm thinking between 1 and $200 worth.

More or less.

I don't think it will cost that much. No.

It depends on what you buy. I'll be honest, I used to pass out candy at the Telluride Film Festival to thousands of people, and I was the one who ordered the candy, and

it's more expensive than you think. I

can't hear you.

It's more expensive than you think. It's Oh. The non logos?

Like Just regular just candy.

You know, just depends what you're I mean, like, if you get, like, Jolly Ranchers or something where we're talking about versus something that's a little bit more recognizable. So I I think, you know, sky's the limit if you want it to be, but I know that's

thousand dollars. So

I just don't know that that's what we wanna spend it on. I agree.

Do you wanna go up to $500?

Oh, I don't think it's I

don't think so. Need that.

Maybe a 150 at the most.

Have You to get them individually wrapped, don't you? Yeah. So you can just get a bag. Yeah.

You think 250 max?

That would

be We can at least purchase more if we need it for biscuit day.

I Yeah.

I think we just start with some things first two events and Great. Yeah. Get through April and May and then reevaluate if we need to.

Okay. Good call. So can I have a motion to spend up to $2.50?

Motion to for spending. I'm always just like, do it. $250 for

I mean,

a 100.

A 150 is $15. Yeah. Okay. Or a 100 is $15.

I know the large Halloween candy bags were, like, $20 a piece or so Very pricey. Which I thought those I thought that was expensive. Right. Mhmm.

It also depends on Like, we could do it for a $100?

Individually wrapped hard candy that keeps that isn't chocolate that's in the mountain of sun, I think you're the best bet.

Yeah. You want, like, Jolly Ranchers? Yep. Or, like, Lifesaver little mints? Yeah. Those are their cheapest. Literally, cheapest thing.

Yeah. Hard hard candy is something that won't melt. Right. Great.

Those little white mints are honestly I can tell you.

Yeah. Yeah.

Those circle ones. The winter peppermint. Yeah.

Would Smarties be expensive?

Smarties? Because that's a lot in a package. I think you want, like, one piece of candy.

Oh, alright. If you're talking decent.

I think you're saying no buttermilk.

No buttermilk.

We do the light buttermilk. Look at the

like, what are those called? There's a Wintergreen. Winter lifesavers. Yeah. Lifesavers. Those are

Those are very momma.

I think we're both getting you guys are gonna get good.

I think I think yeah. I don't think we need to spend much effort.

Like, a $100? Oh, can you modify your motion?

I'm on motion to a $100. Okay. I said it. Laura's motion. Yeah. Two.

Laura's motion that we spend up to a $100 for candy for Fresh candy. Fresh candy for all your day and town fair, and has been seconded by Melanie. All in favor.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Has been carried unanimously. Didn't get rid of the Butterman's unless somebody wants them. Oh god. No. They're only five years old.

Good lord.

It's got properties, isn't it? Ew. Yes. Is. They're probably they didn't send it to auction day. Yeah.

They're locked. I'm just Hey. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah. There's an unopened box of a thousand. Yeah. Yeah.

And staff might want them.

Mean Yes. You want five year old bourbon?

I'm gonna make a motion to pass on them. Yeah.

We could send them to the recycling center. Maybe. No. Probably not.

Alright. So Councilor O'Connor? Yes. What time does the tree does the Arbor Day setup begin?

I they are setting up at I think it's 08:30.

So it's 08:30? Oh. Yeah. But I don't I mean, it's

like, he probably don't need to be there before nine. Mhmm.

Oh, yeah.

But it is going to

be rain or shine.

Outside?

No. Inside Yeah. It rain Yeah.

Like it did last year. Okay.

Yeah. It will be inside the library.

We moved into the library last year. It was a bit crowded there.

But you still

it didn't turn.

Yeah. Still had 600. That was amazing. Okay.

Yeah. I'm sorry. I was looking at it. Thank you.

Sure. Budget report?

Budget report. I know I haven't been sending a budget report. I don't know if that's okay. I've kinda figured since we haven't been spending something except for future expenditures now.

Sorry. Here. Can we go back to Sorry. Here. So just a second. Yes. Arbor Day? Were we on Arbor Day or Town Fair?

Arbor Day.

I think you started to talk about setup timing and that, but then

Well, I have I have all the materials and the tent at my house. Okay. And I will probably be there at 08:30. Okay. Just need to put in a request to if you could, Harry, for the town for a table Okay.

And two chairs, please. Okay. Did you guys receive an application or have you submitted an application?

Oh, yeah. I've already I did that, like,

a month ago. So so then that should include I can't remember if it's two chairs, but it it's a table,

at least one chair.

Yeah. So but normally, I bring my own. Yeah. This time, if town's gonna supply it, then I don't have to carry it.

Makes sense?

Yeah. So Thank you. Okay. And then the same thing will happen for the town fair. And normally, we have to be there, like, at 07:00 in the morning. So yeah. So about now for Day, as we get down, we will we may have another meeting. I doubt it before Arbor Day. It's on a Saturday. So I don't know. But I would like at least because I'm there all day and I've been the only one.

You have that our next meeting is the twenty eighth. So that would be

After. Right after. So yeah. So if you could let me know if you're able to attend and when?

I know I will be there at some point. I apologize that I can't be more. Okay. But I can at least be there long enough to alleviate for bathroom break or go grab some lunch or what, you know, whatever that is.

What are the times on that?

10AM to 1PM. Ten to one.

I can be there for a few hours.

Yeah. Because it's ten to one, I think. That's correct. Yeah. And during that time, they also have a raffle.

Are there free trees?

Yes.

Yeah.

And I'll be there. Rain or shine. Trees.

And you get free LED lights.

What's it's sustainability.

Yeah. Well, I have three boxes in my garage. Each year?

You don't use them.

Yes. It's cool.

Yes. I do. I use them.

I might be there for a little while.

And okay.

We've got family in town that weekend, so I'm not sure how much I can be there.

Okay. They supposedly have 40 exhibitors right now.

Wow. Think so. We'll just bring everybody.

It's it gets bigger every year. We fill up that basketball court.

I can also bring the books we have left over from Okay.

I have

hundreds of books still.

Yeah. Because we we ordered lots of the end the end gear book, the blue book, and then the James Stall book. And Yeah. Bought a lot of them, so we're just giving them out. It was part of the 100 and fiftieth, but we have a lot left over. Sweet.

You can sell them and fund your candy.

Yeah. I

think that would be against town policy.

Yeah. It's it's trading one. We actually bought them from the historical society. Okay. Mhmm. Yeah. K. Any more questions on that? K. A historic district.

I mean, I'm gonna to finish the budget report.

Budget report, we yeah. I was gonna say, so I haven't been pulling actual budget reports from Amy. I can I can start doing that again, but we haven't had expenditures yet this year except except for a $100? Yeah. But, yeah, I can start doing that if if that'd be helpful to

have the graphic here. Yeah. Okay.

So there's 5,005

thousand this year. Yeah.

Oh, I thought it was 4. Nope. They upped it to 5,000?

No. They just half half it from the 10,000 they have before.

Fuck. Yeah. Okay.

Historic district research. So Laura and I have been coordinating on finding a time to meet and talk talk through just next steps about sort of messaging or I I know we have the semi or the biannual Yeah. Board reports to the council tomorrow.

Yeah. And I will address this tomorrow. Okay. So

So I think that was sort of our

Yeah.

What we're thinking could be the first step in sort of introducing into the broader council. Although, of course, we have two council members here that will be familiar with the idea. But Mhmm. I yeah. Then Laura, we're gonna talk through maybe next steps and messaging.

So Yeah.

Mhmm. Maybe this week, we'll

Touch base. For sure. I and I also just wanted to bring in addition to that, not just our our two council members tonight, but we had the two previous council members who were more than aware of this. So we've got four of the six.

Yeah. They were already

Yeah. Pretty pretty much up to speed. And I just I just wanted to reiterate that we are not voting to or or this what would be reviewed by the town lawyer is is as it is written. Like the first step is just to get approval to even bring this to the public. Like that's what's going into the

Yes.

To the ordinance. So it's it's like, I don't know, the steps I suppose that need to be taken. It's like, we have to get approval to even, like, bring like, talk to people about it, really. So So

we before, we had to update our ordinances for historic district and the bylaws. So we've asked Harry to see if maybe the town lawyers can review it before we present it to the council. Because we can't do anything yet without approval from the council. And so this has been going on for a year. This is such a a political hot potato. Essentially, what's happening is in a hard district, historic district, you're asking people within that district to put restrictions on themselves.

Well and that's what they're

And so they have 51% have to approve it.

That's something I wanted to, I guess, make sure I understood a little bit better and and was wasn't sure where I could find this information. Where where is when when someone has their home approved or or reviewed to be on the historic register, where what are the the, restrictions that they are technically putting on themselves?

Well, that was my question as well. Pardon?

That was my question as well.

Okay. On the restriction? Well, what the restrictions are is we don't care about the inside. We only care about the outside. Oh. So I like to use the term most people use the term street view. Yeah. So you can't put aluminum or vinyl siding now. You can use composite, but it has to look like wood. So what it is is any once you're in a historic district, any changes that you wanna do for your property have to be approved, and we're on that approval.

So it's another layer that go goes in. And if it's determined that the modification will harm the historic characteristics of the building, it could be denied.

Where can I find this, like, is it outlined or written, you know, as

I would suggest you contact History Colorado?

Right. I guess my understanding is when I'm when I'm trying to, like, look through this, and I have been emailing with Lindsay Fuellen and but that technically, we would be putting this on the National Register of Historic Districts. Like that's that's what's being asked of Yeah. So of the community. But then when something's on the National Registry, they can't federally, they can't require you to maintain your prop to do anything to your property.

Federally, like, they you could demolish your property and that's allowed. But then if you decide regionally by, you know, Erie, we may have certain bylines that we've decided are have to be upkept. So that's what I'm wondering, like, do we have somewhere

There's a local, a state, and a national.

Right.

Okay? I'm only we're only concerned right now about local.

From a registry standpoint, though, they don't really do local No. Certified registers anymore. They only do the federal one. But that can then come down as a decision that we make to put into the bylaws of, like, you still your home still has to apply to this. Because what happens that's a little different with the district, right, is that there are homes that were built in '19 two thousand and twenty two that are would be in this district technically.

Mhmm. And so there's gonna be a different perimeter to that property as opposed to when we choose a home to be designated. That's being put on the register or that's being designated because it's from 1874 or whatever. So that's what I'm saying is that, like, I'm assuming we would

it it Over yeah. I can say it would not be considered historic property unless it's 50 years old or older.

Right.

So

But I guess that's what I'm saying. It's like, where do we have outlined those Oh god. Those things so that when we are presenting this, there's a better understanding to what we're actually presenting.

That's what That's why it's a big thing, and that's why I've asked you guys to look into it.

Well, but I'm saying we right now, we have things for

the historic What are the current guidance? Yeah. Yes. We have to have some things there in our ordinances for HPAT Yeah.

As we review properties.

Right. Right. So for locally designated landmarks that we've been doing Right. You know, since and we designated a couple last year. But in any case yeah. So the local locally designated landmarks we have here, as Mike's saying, the exterior is subject to if you're doing anything any substantial modifications, you have to apply for a certificate of appropriateness. And that has a whole list of criteria for sort of how you consider the changes to be I

think that's what I'm looking for. Where is

So I can definitely

It's a single way.

It's hidden in our code. So

Okay. That's where I like, that's not in our ordinance, and so I'm like, I don't know exactly

what this is.

Laura, we went through a couple of these, but I think it looks like before you joined the board Yeah. People would apply to renovate a historical home Yeah. And they would apply for that COA, the certificate of appropriateness.

So I've heard of that.

It Mhmm. To what we have written down of this is the guidelines. This is what has to be followed, and it gave us the framework to say this is accepted or denied.

It's not. That would be, I think, the thing that I have not had eye balls on. Yeah. But I know when I was doing the ordinance, I ran into that multiple times, but I kept being like, where is it?

But And and It's actually part of the ordinance.

And ours is not. No.

It's not?

They follow the secretary of interior's guidelines on it, so we developed ours from that.

That.

Okay. We have that.

I'm sure Harry

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's I can send that

to everyone. And and I think, you know, obviously, this is probably part of the discussion too, but I think sort of as you're saying for structures in a potential historic district that were contributing

Right.

So, like, in the age of significance, those same rules would apply, but maybe structures that were outside that that were noncontributing, I guess. Yeah.

We're not.

I have a question. So Sure. Home qualifies for this fifty years of whatever that criteria is. And do I get a list to see, like, these are the change or restrictions I have? And then I choose I don't want to be part of this to register. Can I do that?

Yeah. No. Well, so Not if you're in the historic districts. 51% have to vote in a

I mean, that but I don't want to be part of it in in terms of restrictions because maybe there are a few things I agree with. Then you would tell I'm just giving a high

That's a hypothetical.

But a historic district.

Yeah, just a question saying, like You would vote against historic district. Vote against?

You would vote against the creation of the Historic District.

And if

the past, then you would be able to move or Okay. Yeah.

But it comes to the 51%. It's a simple majority. So if we put that district and you vote on it, right, and you say yes or no, you say no. But if 51% approve it, then by that simple majority, the whole district is set. And you could choose to say or go.

So I That's not good. I think I

think it would be similar to joining an HOA. Like, do you want to be part of this HOA? If 51% say yes, then you're part of the HOA whether you want to be or not.

And

then you're you're you also have to submit any external But one thing and those are either approved or denied.

But one thing is HOA, I read the covenants and then say if I buy ought to buy or not. Mhmm. I've been living here for fifteen or twenty or whatever years. And now this restriction came in, which I'm not happy with or not. Yeah. But I agree with choosing, but not everything.

Well, it's if we want a town council or a board of trustees. Right? We vote in, and that's what it is now when everyone's having to

Even if we could to

be a part of what that system came out to

be. Yeah.

It's like

Voting. Yes. It's putting on

a couple other restrictions as well. Let's say you can't tear down a building within the historic district and arbitrarily put up a three story building. Understood. You can't do that. So that's kinda where this goes because we're losing so much, so fast that downtown downtown area, if you will, Briggs, there's not much left. So how do we preserve it?

I think one of the pros, people that are in favor of historic districts, one of the pros would be it might make your household worth more because it's part of the history of

the district

long term. That's that's one of the pros. Yes.

And

resend that out, that sheet that I sent, I think, at the end of last year. So I don't know if you two have received that sheet yet. That kind of explains the pros and cons, what exactly a district is, etcetera. And I I think that's where my head was just trying to understand was that if if a town does not have this certificate of appropriateness, like certain things that they are considering, it it goes back to the federal idea of that, really, you could do anything that's your property that you wanted. But we've decided as Erie that these are the components that that we value within a district or for a specific home. So I think that's the you know, we just have

to Got it.

Review all that.

It's another layer of it's another layer to help preserve. Yes. But as you can tell by the questions you ask and it's a the vote before we even get to a vote, we have to do a PR campaign. Mhmm. Yeah. Right? Yes. And so tomorrow, I will be just give a short blurb on this, what it is. You know what it is now. So when I talk about it so but I'm gonna brief the board tomorrow on it. So we really can't go into it until we

what? We're just testing the tech. They No. We wanna

Because I yeah. So we so we can't, as a board, go really do this until we get some kind of approval or tacit approval from the from the council.

But before we have a campaign, we have to decide what we want we would like to do as a Sorry.

But what we didn't wanna go down this road too far without letting the council know what we're doing because, technically, as an advisory board, we work for you. Right? And now you rely on us as the historians to keep you updated. So

As

they're

tasked with advising how to historically preserve Yeah. Theory. And so.

Well, and I think it's worth noting from some of the conversations that have been had so far with with town members and and stakeholders in this area, especially the businesses, that this is something that generally is wanted. Are there people in their homes that we haven't talked to or haven't had those conversations? Of course. But I think, generally, when this has been put in front of people, they're saying, you know, we want to retain this. Currently, right now, we call this the Old Town District, but there is nothing maintaining that.

There is no there is nothing you know, I even see that on the Erie website that this is called the Old Town District, but there's that can go away in a heartbeat that someone who owns one of these buildings and is leasing it out to old mine or what, I don't know who or what, you know, is leasing and who owns. But that property can just go away because it can.

Yeah. We've already lost three years ago, I found out after the fact from Autumn. I found out after the fact that we are already going to lose the bank and and Old Mines. Now Old Mines billing is in really poor shape. So but the bank is not. And this was Erie's first physical bank, and it's been sold. And I've asked I don't know if Rockton still owns it. I don't know.

It sold, like, what, last month?

Yeah. It did. So but we can have anything from the inside we want. That's what we were told. But and then I asked him, I said, how about the facade? Can you keep the facade? And he said it's too expensive. So we Are there any grants out there? Yeah. There's up to a million dollar grant.

Well, that's what happens too is when you when you designate something as a district, there all these grants become open for property owners. So it's not like you have to maintain the outside of your property in a certain way and there's you're you're completely on your own. You can apply for different grants that are available to help you in doing that.

Yeah. Currently, only landmark properties can apply for a grant right now.

So how many what's the percentage of historic buildings within the proposed district?

I'm working on that right now. I've got within the district, we're looking at about 400 properties. I should know within the next week or so exactly, like, what percentage that would encase, but you might already have that in your brain.

I don't know. Could probably I'm very close. Pull that pretty quickly.

I'm very close to finishing the year of each one of these properties. It was

Just thinking of your yeah. The people voting on it.

Of course. Because that's I like that.

Percent are concerned.

No. It's pretty significant how many would fall within the fifty years. It's not that From

Briggs to Maine, from Evans to Perry. K. That's Old Town. Mhmm. Okay? We currently have nothing East of Briggs. There's really not that much that on Kutel that even qualifies. So so that's currently what we're looking at as a Dorchester old Town, if you will.

I have a suggestion. Why don't we make a survey for town fair and have a map of Briggs to Maine, Evans to Perry, and just do a nonofficial

survey,

see what the public says.

Yeah. We can do that in there, but cannot do that until we get my thumbs up from the council to even go down this road. To investigate. And now we you really don't need a vote, but I just need you guys to know. And if you don't, then just say no. Favorable. Yeah.

So I mean, it's we're losing history, Dave.

Think Well, I

always Just just to educate the public on what it means.

And that's what I plan to do when we get to the town fair. But there are steps we have to go through Before the because it's not something that I wanna do and surprise the council on.

Not all of the homeowners in all of the area. Right.

It's just

the roof of it. It's just yeah.

Just the property. Yeah. I

think something you know, I I was speaking with Rachel about this. Something to be mindful of again is that, like, the people in the the the business district, they don't all own their buildings. So that it's like there's the first understanding of, like, yeah, the people who own their houses, like, they're they're gonna their vote is gonna represent their their home. But the people who don't own the building that their business is in, I think that will be an at large campaign of people and stakeholders who support them and saying, we want that building to stay to the bit you know, I don't I don't know the the the business owners, and I think we can all make assumptions that they're not all Erie locals.

Well, there's a most of the houses are are owned by the residents.

Well, I'm saying

But a lot of them are not. So because when I send out mail for Well, you When we do surveys, they're not in Erie. They're somewhere else. So like trying to get Scholastica landmarked. You have to go through the Archdiocese of Denver.

I like I like your idea of a survey a lot. Mhmm. Like, just to garner interest, and we could easily have just a QR code.

Well, ask for their address. Mhmm.

We could create a survey pretty quickly. Mhmm. People scan the QR code Google survey. Intent and fill it out.

Yeah. But thing about service is if you ask a very straightforward question like yes or no, you wouldn't get the right answer because they don't know what the pros and cons are. Mhmm. So maybe when they click the QR, it gives some explanation of what you're getting

Mhmm.

And what are the cons, like, context to it, then we have some

That's a great idea.

Yeah. Yeah.

I'm happy to create that. The PR campaign. Yeah.

You you you you you have a fit. Right?

That's a great idea.

Another part would be you meet people and explain to them. But the whole idea is, like, explain what it is Mhmm. And kind of sell the idea, right, that you get benefits. Of course, there are restrictions, but, you know

Right. The pros, hopefully, in this point outweigh the cons. And I think a lot of the people who live in this district in in the who would live in this district are seeing the changes happening so quickly, and they've been here for a while. So there

A lot of people are getting I'm gonna say nervous, but upset. Yeah. And I've heard from a lot of them, like, you know, when I say to people, you know, we're trying to do a historic district. And I said, well, it puts another step in. You know, you want a three story building next to your house. And they say no. Right? And this helps that.

This is the control that we can get back.

You know, the town council can overrule anything because as a board, we have no authority.

One one of the cons would also be taxes would go up most likely.

Well, tax is gonna go up anyway. Well, that's true. Yeah.

Not a good thing though. Rachel from the I know you're part of the historical society as well. What are your thoughts and a realtor?

You wear all the hats. All the hats.

She lives in Old Town.

Yeah. Oh

gosh. Oh my gosh. That's your

thing. Yeah.

We've maybe chatted about this too, and I

told her, like, I've just been casually saying to people, you know, hey. We're talking about historic district.

To some of my neighbors, to some

people, some business owners, and everybody is like, oh my gosh. Yes, please.

Yeah. So

But a single person that was like, oh, no. They all are like Even residents? Even residents.

Yes. We've been keeping it on the down low, kinda mentioning it, but we haven't come with a full blown PR campaign, and you'll hear that tomorrow.

I I did it. I did

say something during a council meeting about it. So Pardon?

I said I did say something during a

council meeting.

So And then put the cat out of the bag.

No. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's okay.

Secret. It's yeah. It's secret. Right.

Yeah.

Much of it on the agenda. Right.

A year ago. Right? We knew we were looking at our two to three year process because, you know, PR. What is it? I think we

I think we need instead of saying PR, we should say educate the community about what it means.

Yeah. I think And their QR code is a good idea.

Well, I I'm I'm hopeful Harry and I will we'll discuss this. We'll we'll try to get to the next steps. But I guess I would be hopeful, and I'm happy to show up tomorrow if if that is at all helpful during our presentation to answer any questions to the rest of the board or whatnot. But I I think, ultimately, just to give everyone, like, the the bare bones next steps, it's we need town town council to say, yep. We're we see the value in this.

Let's go to the next step. That would mean the town lawyer is then reviewing the updated ordinance. I've already updated the ordinance based upon Thornton's. They just established a ness in their town bylaws. So ours has been prepared in relation to that. And so, hopefully, it's should be up to snuff with the lawyer with some minor changes. And then after that's approved with the lawyer, then we can even consider bringing this to the public.

Yeah. Because

So the hope would be, like, if we can get that done by May 17, I would hate to not have approval from the council and the lawyer before doing that because it would be we're we're putting something out there that's not been vetted.

That's why we've been discussing it early so we can try to be ready for it. So

I guess, ideally, it would be April that we would get this approved

Yeah.

Which is if that

can't happen, maybe maybe with something we can do at Biscuit Days

Mhmm.

As far as education and what it means, information about it.

Okay. Hey. Thank you, everybody.

Thank you. Thank you.

And

It's a big topic. That's important. Yes. Planning report.

Let's see. One exciting thing, I think maybe we talked about it last month, but town council approved the annexation of the properties we've called the Erie West annexations. And so these are one property north and one, I guess, seven properties south of Kenosha Raven.

And So they got now the annex was approved?

It was it was. In the

Yep. In the zoning. So one of those properties included the Lindau property, which has the historic Jarosso Barn on it. Mhmm. And they have expressed some interest in landmarking that property. So Mhmm.

Yeah. Jerosa Barn, for you that don't know, you probably know.

Yeah. I know I know a lot.

Yeah. Never talked to Sarah Weiss. That's all she

told me. Yeah. But Jerosa Barn was a huge barn dance place in the twenties and thirties.

Mhmm.

And that little barn, if you've seen it

Little. Yeah. Where is it?

They it's it's right where Hundred 19th and Kenosha.

Hundred 19th.

There's two old properties or two old buildings on there. One of them's a Jarosah Barn. And for the barn dances, they used to put 500 people in that.

Mhmm. It's like a little Yeah. Right. Right. That's intersection.

Yeah. Let's bring back the Foursquare.

Yes. Yeah. So it was I've been I actually used to have it on my briefing picture, Gerald Saffan, and we've just been waiting for two years, three years now for the annex to come through.

So what was the goal of the annexation then? What was the

We can't do anything until it's part of Erie. What

do you mean we?

The historic The historical we. Yeah. We can't survey it, landmark it, or anything until it's part of Erie.

Yeah. Or Right.

But what but what was the owner's goal?

Yeah. Another structure that

was Why did the owners wanna annex it?

Well, he's he said they

They could look at this.

They're looking they think they wanna landmark it.

They expressed interest.

Yeah. Yeah.

So they wanted the annex. So Yeah. Landmark.

No. The annex was Separate?

Separate. Okay. That is just something that

came along with it. Yeah.

They

were, what, unincorporated Boulder County?

Yes.

Yes. So

are they getting, like, city services now? Is that part of their goal? Or

They are allowed to continue on so they're on septic and legal left hand water right now, so that's allowed to continue sort of as it exists. If if ever they were need gonna need a new water tap, I think at that point, we would ask that they connect in the city services or town services. Yeah.

And they still get the still currently use a police service in the schools also? Yeah. That continues.

Yeah. And yeah. So Mountain Dew Fire, those services don't change if they're already in that district. They were covered by Boulder County Sheriff. Now they're in Erie PD, which will be closer to them.

Let's see. And then part

of Kenosha Road in a hundred and nineteenth was annexed in, but not Yep. All of Kenosha. Yep.

Got it.

And and the zoning is Conner just mentioned is AG AG holding. Yeah. So we're not expecting this is gonna be, like, involved anytime soon. It's just Right. It's gonna stay as an AG use. Okay. Excited about that. Yeah. Because we don't we don't have a lot of that in Erie, actually, these days. A lot of it gets redeveloped.

So Mhmm.

Did they mention there was another barn?

There was two structures. A second structure.

Yeah. Yeah.

That I'm not sure what's they're saying

There's a big one and a smaller one. So we would do both of them. Yeah. Yeah. You'll we you'll landmark the property. Right? So, of course, only those two buildings, think, are old enough, but you landmark the property knowing that it's really these two buildings.

And, basically, it would be only, like, if they wanna modify those buildings, they have to Yes. If they wanna modify anything else, they don't they can just do it.

Like, we we landmarks 754 Holbrook, and it's a it's the big pink building. K. We landmark the property, but the only thing on the property that when we had it surveyed that was eligible for landmarking was the old BNSF outbuilding. Okay. There's it's like a log cabin kind of thing on a property.

Okay. And so we landmark that. But the plaque is on our house, but we landmark that building. Because we wanna save that one. Sure.

Carrie, did you say there were two properties that got annexed?

Eight total. Yeah. Oh, okay.

And they were all right there? Or

They're they're all there. One so the one with the barn is the only one that's on the North Side of Okay. And then the other seven are on the South Side Of Kenosha. I guess I could try to screen share again. Mhmm. Hey. Michelle told me not to not to go in and out, so it'll play out.

It's it's okay. I was just curious. Okay. I wanna mess anything

up. Mhmm.

I look

like they're such great.

So, yeah, we're at a Hundred And 19 T's in the Kenosha. Okay. For the most part, it's to the west of that intersection. Six of them are to the West. Okay. Belinda was on that one on the South Side Of Kenosha. They're the only two that are

on the east side of that team section. So that's a couple more properties we can look at.

So Yep.

Okay. But I was looking mainly at the farm.

Mhmm.

But for the for the barn is the barn is really historic property. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Oh, social media.

I spoke to Natalie today. We're gonna try to start and this maybe I was I was thinking of it as being helpful for the the district is to start highlighting each one of the properties that are in the historic district, just doing kind of a a picture of that knowing that that's, you know, number one on the on the walking tour or whatever and just take people kinda through that.

That would give people an idea what the walking tour is. Good idea.

So we'll just she'll insert those as as she does in her schedule. So

this is good thing. Think it's a

I've seen Natalie Ritterboss.

Yeah.

I've seen her at church.

Oh, good.

Yeah. So

She's a lovely lady.

The phase three surveys. As you know, I am disappointed again. They must hate us.

Oh, that's true.

I see.

That's how strong work.

But I sent you guys I got sent three reviewers comments, and I sent those to you. My question was two of them said full funding and one didn't. And I was still kind of saying, why? And and all I got back from Lindsay was was well, if you wanna have a meeting on how we do this, you know, that's not gonna change change anything. But so there's some points on there that said there was only one that had a whole list of weak points.

I I I think for the most part, they liked what we did. One person had an issue. If all these are in Old Town, how come you're doing them mine? Right? And

because Erie is more than just Old Town.

Yeah. For goodness sake.

Because the master plan is basically Old Towns.

Mhmm. Okay.

Well Right? And so this is phase three of the master plan. So I can see where their question comes, but we said in the write up, this is the last mine not only in Aerie, but probably the entire area. Because I don't think Lewisville has any. I don't think Lafayette has any.

We're, like, the only ones that have one. And the only thing that are not there is the buildings. I mean, the footings are still there. So the mine is still there. Now I have we have Harry and I have seen the gateway and they put a circle where the tower is.

So we know for sure that the tower is going to be saved. What I would like to do is get at least a couple of the footings with it. So and then we can put up a marker. But according to our ordinance, we cannot landmark it until it's surveyed. Because the first thing there are five steps, and the first step says, has it been surveyed? And no. Now I thought at one point, we had University of Colorado students come out to do an agricultural survey, but that fell that fell through. So

What was the

Heidi was gonna work on that, wasn't she? Yeah. Heidi was gonna have her students come up.

Yeah. Heidi got sick again.

Oh, damn.

I I I have started seeing some Facebook posts from her. Okay. So maybe she's getting better, but she's not been well for a long time. Yeah. So yeah. So we have

a survey

Yeah.

Ordered and paid for and

Yeah. We may have to do that separately. Yeah.

So Should we do we vote on that? Or

Yeah. You can. You can put a motion if you want.

Just a survey. He should

Yeah.

That's my next question. Curious.

I Well, it's typically 14 properties. If we did 14 properties, it would be anywhere from 15 to $20,000. So if you wanted to break that down, I would say around $1,000. But it depends on who was gonna take something that's small. That's just it.

And it's a very small grant. And but in addition to that, maybe we could include the public buildings. And by the public buildings, I'm meaning the mine, the school, and the depot. K. So we have those three properties and that would put us in the $5,000 range.

Here's our budget. Well, 4,900.

Yeah. We got we already allocated.

So but but yeah. We didn't get a chance to go out for a bid on this, and that's one of the thing they hit us on the review is we didn't have bidding. But doctor Flewelling Lindsay Flewelling is CLG coordinator at Yester, Colorado, and she's our main contact. So she expected it to be from 30 to $35,000 for 25 properties. So we said and this year, tip it before this year, CLG grants could be up to 250,000.

This year, they put a $25,000 cap on it. So that's why we offered up $6,000. Right? And so but that didn't come to fruition. So now the next step, you know, you see what should be our next move. Now competitive branch from a state historical fund are 25% match. Okay? CLGs is no match. Okay? That's why people want them because they don't come up with money.

So what do we do? And the cycles are May 1 and October 1.

Is that the due date for the next, like

Competitive.

For the competitive ones, it's Yeah. By May 1 then and then okay.

Okay. May 1, October 1, and then CLG is January. So that's the only three issue that's the only three times you can. So the question is, do we want to go out for bids now? Because we weren't gonna have them back in time for May, so we're probably looking at October at the earliest.

For those three properties that you just mentioned, what would you say is the level of concern of impact to them? Like, something Well pain that would