City Council - Regular Meeting

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I just saw Taylor reach in the box. I was like box is empty. That would be mine. Thank you. All right. Good evening. I would like to call the Auburn study session meeting for Monday, April 27th to order. Tonight's study session meeting will be held both in personally and virtually. In personally and virtually. In person. How about that? Uh Rebecca, would you please call roll? Deputy Mayor Tracy Taylor here. Council member air here. Council member Baldwin here. Council member Lot here. Council member Rakes here.

Council member Sturgis. Council member Sturgis. She should be online. Oh, according to Jason, she is logging in now. Um, for the record, Council Member Clinton Taylor here. Thank you. And I'll make a note for the record once Council Member Sturgis logs on. Thank you, Rebecca. Do we have any agenda modifications this evening? Yes, Deputy Mayor. We have an executive session which was added to the agenda this evening. Thank you. We have no announcements, reports, or presentations for tonight's agenda. So, I'm going to turn the meeting over to Council Member Taylor.

Excuse me. Sorry to interrupt. It looks like uh it was confirmed that Council Member Sturgis is present. Council member Sturgis, can you confirm that you can hear us? Yes, I'm present. Okay. Thank you very much. Very good. All right. And with that being said, we will continue over to the uh community wellness special focus area. And to chair this portion of the meeting is Council Member Taylor.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um at this time we have um presentation from our um yeah community from um about the Auburn act senior activities center as well as about the public arts for Centennial uh Viewpoint Park and that will be with director uh Krueger.

Thank you council member Taylor, deputy mayor, council members, mayor. Um, it's my pleasure tonight to introduce Readine Lozir, uh, senior center manager, Minfang, resource navigation program coordinator, and Lizzy Lindseay Pritchard, the program assistant, who are going to share with you tonight about the Auburn Senior Resource Navigation Program. That's a portion of the King County Veterans and Human Service levy funded program. And so have them come up and share with you information about that program. Good evening, Dave. Hello council and mayor.

Hello. Good evening everyone.

Um my name is Min Fang and I'm the resource navigation program coordinator uh for the Auburn Senior Resources and we are funded by the King County Veterans and Senior Human Services levy. So, this is a levy that was established in 2005 and it still receives ongoing voter support. Um, it first began by uh investing in two priority populations, the veterans service members and their family members as well as resilient communities. And in 2017, it expanded to include services for seniors and their family members. Um the most recent renewal was in August of 2023 with 71% voters approval.

Um that has been the highest in its levy history. So we know this levy is well supported and the levy funding currently supports affordable housing, employment services, behavioral health treatment and other essential services for veterans, senior and family across the street uh sorry across the street across King County. Um so uh in 2024, the first year of the renewed levy for 2024 to 2029, the levy delivered services to over 63,400 people throughout King County, of which a total of 7,692 veterans and their family members were served. 43,800 seniors and their caregivers were served and a total of 41 senior centers funded and in total the VSHSL had 28 contracted community partners. We have been very lucky to have received funding from the King County Veterans and Senior Human Services levy. Um, in 2018, we received over $110,000 in capital improvements. In the first iteration of the levy from 2019 to 2023, we received a little over a million dollars in funding. And then in this current iteration, um, starting in 2024, um, through the end of this year, we would have received 844,000. So, in total from the start of um our program funding through the end of 2026, we would have received a little bit over $2 million in funding. And what this funding does is it funds our resource navigation program team for salary

benefits as well as day-to-day costs. So, currently our team, we have three team members. I myself, Lindsay is our program assistant and we also have a office assistant. So, I primarily do the client appointments and meeting and providing one-on-one support for our seniors. Lindsay does a lot of our grant reporting and data management. And then Taylor, our office assistant, does our scheduling and a lot of our intakes. Uh, so together we're providing a direct client support and system navigation. We're supporting our indiv our clients that are facing housing, health, financial and social barriers and we're connecting our clients to company as well uh county funded as well as community based resources. So really we're trying to connect our clients so that they can um age in place in a healthy way and as they navigate through a higher level of care we try to walk them through uh through that process as well. So, our referrals currently come from a lot of different areas. Um, we have people that are walking in at the senior center um through word of mouth, family members, friends, neighbors. We also get a lot of referrals through medical providers as well as social workers, uh, home health providers, community based organizations all across King County, um, city departments, um, the antihomelessness team, police, outreach, utility, etc. We are also receiving referrals from the fire department, the Auburn Food Bank, uh local senior housing staff, as well as veterans organizations. And we do a lot of different things within our program here. Um basically, if somebody comes in with a question, we try to provide an answer to their question. Um but basically primarily our

services include basic needs assistance, health care and medical support connecting to mental health services, aging and protection services, housing and home services, uh legal benefits and application assistance, employment and vocational services, transportation, technology and accessibility as well as general community support. So, some of the common resources that we help connect our clients to is food resources and hygiene supplies, um emergency financial assistance for utilities, um or for rent, medical care navigation, um connecting with their insurance provider, um or helping them connect with their primary care provider in home support and getting connected to caregiver services. We also provide support for adult protection and elder safety. Um eviction prevention and navigating housing, employment and job search. Uh connecting to transportation and ride programs, tech uh digital access support um for online applications as well as digital literacy and we also do a lot of cross agency service coordination with our local partners. So just to share some of the impact of our program um since 2018 we've served a total of 837 uh cases um clients with a total of 2,178 contacts. So these are meaningful times that we've spent with our clients to help provide one-on-one resource navigation. We do have a little bit of flexible financial assistance that we're able to provide through King County and of which we've provided an assistance of $1,375

for food as well as gas assistance. And in 20 uh in 2024, we started providing our annual meal bags. Um and of which we've served a total of 341 people so far. And just to highlight some of the fun things that we've done in 2025. Um in 2025 we've served a total of 164 clients of which 116 new clients and 48 returning clients. We also expanded access to individual mental health counseling through a licensed contracted provider. We hosted a bi-weekly mindfulness-based anxiety support group between April and June. We also helped to launch the better age pilot program to help strengthen staff capacity in serving older adults within the senior center. We provided support to sustain the Friday congregate lunch services and as a result reducing meal disruption for our seniors at the senior center. We also provided dedicated online assistance for enrollment in the senior farmers market nutritional program and we distributed 64 meal boxes in 2025 helping support 82 individuals with essential nutrition and this is how we can be contacted and please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.

I was going to just add a little bit more context too. Um, so while the King County sets aside the levy funds, how they navigate that program is we have to then apply for grant funding. So it's not just they disperse the money. We have to go with a program to then capture that funding in our budget. Um, so I'm going to recognize Raiden here for a moment because in the past before this funding was available, the senior center alone was trying to do this more resource navigation kind of one-on-one client help that takes a long time. if you have a high need client. And so it was identified that a program such as this resource navigation program could be really beneficial to Auburn. And it was kind of determined as a need. So when this levy funding became available for the senior population, that was the pro a program that we applied for to get that levy funding because that one-on-one client need really needs a position like men's to really help them navigate all of those systems. And so those are the numbers that she's working with those individual clients to really help while the center is running around it. And there's lots of resources available at the center, but it's connecting those individuals who might not know where to either access the the program at the center or even from other local agencies that offer those services that they can tap into that they just don't know how to get to and sometimes there's barriers for them to get to. So having this program without levy funding is so so important and it's really red's work over the course of years like navigating and seeing the need for those pieces that we have a levy program like this in Auburn.

When um the levy was first um they sent out an RFP, you had to decide and submit to them what you wanted to do. And this had been something that we have seen for years and years and years and it was a way to get the funding for it. Um if any of you have ever tried to help someone navigate the system especially after co it is very very difficult and if you don't have computer skills and you don't know how to use the computer and a scanner and a fax and all of these things um it becomes impossible to get services and for the years that I spent trying to help people I just knew there's stuff out there for people. We just have to make it available to them. And so that's why we went with um proposing this type of a program and then it has developed and grown and um turned into just a really really topnotch um performer in King County. Um the team that works on here is known throughout the the county as who to call, who to talk to about connecting people. Um we we thought that it was the biggest form of flattery. Um we developed this program and what it would look like and King County now has started um a program very very similar following that model. So um we're proud of that. We think it does a lot of good. And being housed in the senior center, it lets us work off of both things. You know, they meet somebody that's maybe never been in the center, but then that person gets connected in the center and then they're they become part of the community and it just works really well building together.

Mayor I just um any questions mayor

adding to that there I this is the people that you see in front of you have such compassion and care for the seniors and for everybody in the community but there is also a really strong relationship between our human services team and this team. So, I mean, they they work together so incredibly well for the benefit of the entire community, but especially for the senior population. I know that our human services team have just been so grateful for the work that you are able to accomplish when when they have seniors uh who they come across either in their cars, out in encampments, places that our seniors should never be. And so thank you for the care and compassion that you show.

Council member Baldwin. Yeah. Um start. Uh first I think I would be remiss if I didn't take a moment on the dis and just say thank you to Raiden who has been serving uh our community for over 40 years and without your leadership in this area. There were so many lives that would not have been impacted and the difference that you make and the legacy that you leave. So thank you very much.

Just thank you for all of that. And of course no pressure for everybody else that there's some big shoes to fill. Uh but I think if anything building this team gives me great confidence that they'll be able to continue that work. Um so that is sort of my first statement and then I do have a question in addition to it because I can't not have questions. Um you had mentioned the better age program is something that's helping your team do your work better. I was wondering if you could share a little bit more about that.

Uh sure. I'll take that. So the um Better Age pilot program was something that was launched. Um we partnered with Better Age as well as I think it was 10 other senior centers throughout Western Washington. Um and we it essentially is like a health um and wellness survey program. So, we were allowed to generate certain questions um that was actually provided and kind of guided by the better age program themselves that we were able to administer to our seniors and start collecting um for lack of better words, data about the health and wellness conditions and like where their quality of life was now. So then we could start to address um one if there are currently programs at the senior center that could help them increase their quality of life in specific areas as well as we could take that data and see if there was like a trend in greater needs um in our current senior population that we were not that we didn't have current programs to help and address. So it was kind of a two twofold. We could connect people to current programs if they already existed and they were unaware. Um, and then it helped us kind of evaluate what our current programming was and if there were any gaps in that.

Did that answer your question? Uh, yes. And I would ask uh what your takeaways from that study would have been. Um, so I would say for one, it's a pilot. So it um it is they they ask questions, they pull data for different centers and centers are very different. There's some that are miss municipalities, there's somes that are nonprofit. So, I think we found that it was harder to get people to want to participate in another survey,

whereas communities that are small, um, it was it Banebridge that got so many Banebridge, very small, they were all for doing surveys and gathering information, things like that. So, we were able to get about, was it a hundred? How many did we get? close to 100 about 100 surveys,

but that's not a huge amount for the population that we serve, but about 100. And then we could look at that and say it looks like this percentage um eats alone. Okay, we need to push our lunch program a bit out to those people. Or um this they talk about not being physically fit. a certain percentage. I don't have the numbers with me, but would say they aren't physically fit. Okay, we need to get more information out. So, they realize a lot of advantage plans will pay for their fitness membership at the community center. There's specific classes geared towards older adults there. We need to get that information. So, it really just gave you a look, a snapshot at that those hundred people to see where uh communication needed to go out. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate that.

Yeah. Council member Sturgis and then, uh, Council Member Ricks.

Uh, thank you so much, um, Chair Taylor. Uh, just a question from you. So, um, it's, you know, when the funding, it sounds like we've got another three years left on the levy. Um, and maybe you shared this, but I missed it, so I apologize, but you know, when when um that funding changes down the road, are we at uh risk or do we feel confident that another levy would replace it or what do we what do we do to make sure that we have continued funding to serve this need going forward once the once the um the levy comes to an end? So, the levy um started and I'm not going to be able to remember the exact year, but it was a veterans levy um for quite a long time and then they added the senior piece into it and the amount of money went up a lot and they also did a lot of research and found out that there are senior centers that are already doing this work. Doesn't need to be recre recreated. It needs to be supported. So that's kind of where those funds came in. It overwhelmingly passed the second time when it just uh was. But as with any levy, it's up to the voters whether they choose to um support it, pass it or not. Um so there is always that risk. But I will say that our program is doing very well and we get very good feedback from King County and a lot of good feedback about what our program is doing. There have been other programs um that maybe had to be modified because nope not everyone does a resource navigation program. It may be that some people they did it to pay

their utility bill or some do it to for a certain population, things like that. There's different things, but um ours is getting such great feedback that I do know that they look to us and say to us, "This is what we want to see happening." But with any levy, you have to still do the RFP. You still have to apply. You still have to do the work to get it every year. Thank you, Council Member Ricks.

Well, actually, uh, Council Member Stur just asked the question I was going to ask, but I did want to take the time to say how lucky that we've had to have Raiden for as long as we've had. Thank you. And what a wonderful partner she's been, not only with my day job, but with the council. So, I really appreciate all your work.

Thank you. Well, on that note, I' I'd like to echo that as well. Um because I I know the importance of the work that you're doing. Um and so thank you for um all that you do and all that you're doing. And um this this really warms my heart. Um because oftent times our seniors are the population that is the invisible population, I like to say. And a lot of times um we don't see them getting the service that they deserve. Um and so thank you for all the work that you're doing and um definitely I see another hand too. But I just wanted to say kudos because anytime anybody says you're the standard and we're trying to mimic what you're doing that speaks volumes for the work that you're doing and the care that you put into the work that you're doing. Council member Sturgeis.

Thank you so much. Uh Chair Taylor. Yeah, I wanted to avoid that whole topic because I didn't want to start crying. Um, but I've got to see it in action so so many times reading with your leadership and it's just so incredibly special and um it is such a unique offering that we have. I mean, to be able to walk into the senior center and have so many senior centers the second they find out your city council want to uh so many seniors run up to you to tell you that this is the best senior center and that they moved here just so that they could be a part of this and researched it out is is so huge. And then to have this resource, we know that that's just a a cherished gem that we we get to have to help our community. Um so thank you so much for all of your service. Um, one question I have is and I think a couple presentations back I remember um uh you guys sharing about um like meals on wheels is is a way that we can sometimes identify seniors that that might be isolated. Um you know it looks like we've got really incredible word of mouth referrals and awesome partnerships with other organiza or you know community organizations and professional organizations. Um and that's and then you know word of mouth etc on how seniors find out about this resource. But is there um anything that uh we could be doing or or are doing specifically to kind of seek out and identify those isolated seniors that may really need the resource but don't have access to to learning about it.

So that is always a difficult um task. Seniors that are isolated sometimes they choose to be isolated and we found out during COVID when we had to figure out how to get to isolated people without getting to them. We started delivering food to people and the numbers were just astonishing. 150 meals a day were going out. Well, as soon as that stopped and we opened back up, we then you can get this food every day. just come to I'm not leaving my apartment. I'm not leaving my apartment. So, we do go out, do outreach, go to some of these places, but I have had to realize that there are some people that just this is where they're comfortable and this is what they want to do as long as we're able to be there for them and help them if they decide they want it. But there are some people that want to just be by themselves. Um it is funny because the people that come to the center that absolutely do not want to be isolated. If someone comes in and they are a little bit of a um introvert, they can get a little overwhelmed. It's loud in there. It's loud and there's a lot of laughter, a lot of stuff going on. But um I I think it's funny. Adult children often bring their tell their their parents, "You need to go check out a senior center." Never fails. They come at 4:00 in the afternoon. So there aren't as many people there because they leave about 3:30ish. There's not a ton there unless you play pool and they're there till 5. But so they come in and I always feel like the daughter is pulling the dad by his ear. And most seniors that walked in there, they want to hate it. They want to tell their kids that

they don't know what they're talking about and it's just for old people and it's not them. And then we'll meet get a connection and hook and next thing you know they're just singing our praises. I think of John who comes in, a fellow that um he's from New York City and his partner died and his son who he didn't have much of a relationship with, didn't know very well, brought him in and brought him down to the center. And this guy is there every day and he just pays such compliments and says it's what keeps him going every day. So, um we just got to hook them with the right the right bait. But, um it is always an an ongoing um an ongoing struggle. And then if you get in the language barrier because we have a lot of people that don't speak um English in Auburn. Um we have a partnership with Seymar and once a week their uh equivalent to our team that they have their social worker brings a group of non-English-speaking usually anywhere from about 15 to 20 people and it was interesting watching that develop because we thought everyone wants to be together so we bring them all together. Well, this group did not want to learn English and this group did not want to learn Spanish. So, they just would kind of look at each other funny and it it was very hard to break through that. And then they asked the Seamar group said, "We rather would rather do our activities in a different room." So, they moved and I thought, "Well, we failed." Well, now they all come together for lunch and they all intermix amongst each other now and they sit together. It was just that they wanted their own space

for some things, but then they want to be all included. So, it was pretty it was a good lesson for me to learn. Um, we have tried to do some Ukraine um outreach to some of the senior housing. We had things done in Ukraine and then in talking with the social workers from King County Housing, they said, "This group really likes this community." and they're speaking the same language and they kind of like to stay right here and so sometimes that's perfectly fine. Council member Mir

try first of all I second senior citizen center not only for senior I've been there 18 years ago when you have the class you brought the art try to find her name uh learn how to write your life story yes a creative writing class yes I signed for two classes that's how I ending being here because if I was the attending class I made friend then I start volunteer so I have to give a credit senior center has big space in my heart. Thank you, Council Member Lot.

Yeah, I'll just say I was impressed when I took the tour of the facility and although it was a quiet day and I did see the pool players back there and I just was shocked at how nice and clean and beautiful everything was and was really surprised there were more people in it that day and I guess I just caught it at a an in between time. You were at a 4 we were there at 4:30 versus the earlier in the day. it. And so I I had a question about the 164 clients served in the and the 48 that were returning. Do for the ones that don't return, is there any followup with them to make sure they're okay?

That's a good question. Um, typically for the individuals that we close that don't return, um, they are services that are completed.

Okay? And these are individuals that are welcome to reach out to us at any point with any questions. Um we don't really fully close people. Um it's just a matter of we are if we are still actively working with them. Um so typically once we close a case it means that they have no more questions and that their case is resolved and they have their needs met and in that case we don't feel the need to follow up with them. Um tracking the returning clients is something that we really started doing in in 2025 because we realized so many people were coming back for questions and other services. Okay. Uh, Deputy Mayor Taylor and then Council Member Bon.

Thank you, Chair. Um, my parents were in town uh just last week and we were talking about the senior center and the services they provide where they live um in Eastern Washington and it is not comparable to what we what we present here. Um, thanks to you, you opened my eyes up a little bit more to have them ask more questions and to get those solidified answers to the things that they need in in Eastern Washington as well. So, I do want to say thank you for opening my eyes a little bit more to what my aging parents right now need. So, I I that's resources that I don't have until I've met the staff. So, I appreciate that and congratulations to you on your retirement. Thank you. Thank you. That's where you

Yeah. Um I think this is probably more just to put it on the record for anybody who's watching from home, but I think sometimes when people are struggling or trying to figure out where to go or what to do, they assume that everyone who could help them has a charge behind it or a cost behind it. And so if we have people in our community who need the support for um or of our senior resource navigators, uh could you tell me do they need to pay anything for that? No. Would you like to say that 10 more times?

No. No payments. So, the help that they can get and receive that we've seen shared tonight is available for all of our community members uh and their caregivers uh with no charge. I think that's just a really important call out. Um so often there's always a transaction and here we're just here to help people. So,

and a good example of that is we have all income levels that come in and if you have a need it sometimes it doesn't matter it you don't know where to go or how to do it and there may be someone that come that comes in that no longer can live in their home and they have money they have resources but they don't even know how to begin to look at what's out there. men can hook them up to organizations or places that can help them be that best fit that need for them. Or you'll have someone that can no longer stay at home anymore. They don't have any funds, which means they are going to need to go maybe to an adult family home or skilled nursing, something like that. men can really walk them down that path to say, "What do you need and let's find what is a good fit for you and let's get the Medicaid paperwork filled out. Let's get all of these things." It's overwhelming, but we'll just go step by step by step because it is overwhelming if you have funds or don't have funds. And just having someone to advocate for you, um I I don't know how to express how frustrating it is and how much It it just seems like it's just getting worse that they're just people don't answer their phone. People um companies it's push this, push this. If you can't hear and you're on a cell phone and you're push one, push two, what do I, you know, it's so hard. And so, um advocating, um I've been known to be very, very loud and just say we have got to do better. We've got to do better. And it's so great that we have this team that they go out and if somebody wants to just oh yeah well we just don't have that or we can't take care of that. No, you can't. And and I'm be happy to wait. And that is what I

love about the resource navigation program. Many of our clients are always surprised and so um filled with gratitude that this is a free service that there is no fee associated with it to the point that some have expressed that they feel bad for even getting the help from us and they've given us nothing in return and oftentimes we just reassure them this is a property tax levy. You've already contributed into this in some way as being a King County resident and fortunately we were funded through this levy and we are just here for you. Um, yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. So, next we have our um parks, arts and recreation department, the public art for Centennial Viewpoint Park presentation. Let me do a quick switch out here. This one and open this one. We brought show and tell tonight. Um I'm gonna swap over to this one and get this off to Alison.

So, Council Member Taylor, Deputy Mayor, Council Members, Mayor. Um my pleasure tonight to introduce Allison Hyde, our arts supervisor, and then Sharon Ignore and Ben Dy artists um to talk to you about their proposal for the Centennial View Point Park um art replacement as we had a theft up there that they will share with you um again and just go over some of the history of how we got to some new artists for that park site.

Uh good evening. Uh, thank you for having us in council, deputy mayor, mayor. Um, so I will go over a bit of the the background of kind of where we where we got to where we are now. Um, so I've been underway uh in the selection process uh for new public art for the Centennial Dupoint Park. Um, so a bit of history about the public art at this site for those that might not be familiar. Um, there was a former public artwork titled The Long Look by artist Brad RDE, much beloved by many, um, installed in 1992, uh, to celebrate Auburn Centennial. Um, which was stolen unfortunately and recast in, uh, 2012. Um, bronze is a material that, you know, for some, uh, holds inherent value, therefore making it perhaps a bit more of a target for theft. Um, but because the artist still had the the mold to be able to recast it, um, the city chose to take the insurance funds for that, um, and have it recast in 2012. But unfortunately, the same piece, uh, that replacement was stolen a second time in 2023. Um,

and the cast was gone. No more cast.

And the cast was gone. The piece could not be recreated. Um, which kind of begs the question, is bronze really the most suitable material for this particular site if it's becoming a target not once but twice? Um, so although missing and it's not like we could recover it if we wanted to, um, it was decommissioned officially by by Auburn City Council in 2025, leaving uh the city wondering what to do next with this site. Um, so we received a city uh an insurance payment of $55,000 and originally uh the intent was to work with artist original artist Brad Roode once again and say, "Could you please create us something beautiful in the same vein as that original piece that was loved um but not in bronze?" And although we got under contract with him and he started kind of thinking through ideas, it really came to light quite quickly that he is a bronze artist and just did not feel comfortable recreating something that far out of his comfort zone. Um so at that point, you know, it kind of gave us pause and a moment to realize that we art was still an important place at this site. So, in 2025, uh, we took the funding, uh, from that $55,000 insurance payment, added some to it from our CIP funding, and identify this as a desired location for public art, um, posting the opportunity for 80 $80,000 allocated for the commission. As I'm sure you're all aware, the cost of making anything has risen quite drastically over the years. So, um, when Julie and I discussed the $55,000, um, price point compared to what we're seeing in the market for something of the scale that we were hoping for, it seemed appropriate, uh, to up the budget for this project to get something really impactful.

So, Centennial Viewpoint Park was developed by Aruburn's Rotary Club during the Centennial year in 1991. And this is a really incredible site. beautiful views, a really great spot for reflection. It's adjacent to the um the cemetery and a place where I think many go uh to kind of look out over Auburn and the mountain. Um so Auburn's art and public places policy um dictates the public art selection process that we follow um for the city. So we formed a selection committee um which formed and helped guide the artist selection process for this opportunity. Uh, it included um park board member John Boatman, artists Ken Turner and Robert Lel Chisum, arts commissioners Dr. Carol Crawford Danner and Christine Deleon, and city and project representatives cemetery manager Emir Shioalier and project planning and development manager Gout and of course the fabulous Julie Krueger. Um, so we posted the opportunity um through October to November uh posted the call to artists uh specifically seeking an artist based in Washington state uh with an $80,000 budget and 48 incredibly talented artists applied for this opportunity of which four finalists were interviewed with the selection committee in December of 2025. So, um, Ben and Sharon, uh, have been along kind of partway through this process here, but essentially we began in, um, let's see, March, yes. So, March 19, 2026. Um, uh, Ben and Sharon came on in January. Um, and and we're presenting design concepts, uh, to the selection committee. So, on March 19th, 2026, uh, the selection committee approved this conceptual design. you will see tonight

and forwarded that recommendation to the arts commission. The next step in this public art process is a presentation to the arts commission. So April 7th um the artists presented to the Arbor Arts Commission who also um approved the conceptual design and forwarded their recommendation um to city council for final review and approval. Tonight, we're here to review the final conceptual design for this exciting public art opportunity um in hopes that uh May 2nd would be um the resolution for consideration to approve the artwork that you will see now. So, we'll let you just kind of you want me to click click through?

Yeah, sure. So, so I'd like to introduce artists Sharon Agnore and Ben Dy where artists uh teams selected for this opportunity and I'll just let you take it from here a little bit. Well, first of all, this is uh pretty exciting for Ben and I. We've been part of the rotating sculpture exhibit here for many years um in and out, and it's obvious to us the value that you place on public art and how it um beautifies your community. And that speaks to us because that's what what we like to do. We want to create art that's meaningful and thoughtful and uh connects with the people that it's around and the place. So, uh the the concept that um we've come up with uh involves stainless steel, which is our favorite, and cast glass. and stainless steel. I'll let Ben talk a little bit more about that. But the glass that we're going to be using, should you approve this design, is a very thick glass. I cast it in a kiln. It's a half an inch thick, so it's very durable and it's just you just can't hurt it really. I mean, I've taken a hammer to these and it's hard to break. And I'm I'm not talking about a hammer. I'm talking about a mallet. So, it's hard to break. And the design has uh all of the glass up quite high. And so, I feel really confident that this is going to be um not be bothered. But let me just say, we can't be like always afraid of people that are going to like steal the deer because then we have no beauty in our community. So, we've just got to take a chance. So, would you like to talk about the

steel?

Well, let's let's back up just a little bit. You're so inspired. So when we were asked to present a a concept for this, we kind of did our research and we saw this space and this view and then looking over the the piece the the long look that was there. We just couldn't get over how perfect, you know, we're like, "Oh, this is going to be huge challenge. This piece was so perfect." you know, we saw people interacting, you know, taking pictures past with the deer in the view and and we're like, okay, how can we we match this and we decided that instead of scrap, you know, starting over, we would do a continuation of this story. And so you'll see there's a log bench and the tree theme is sort of a sprout growing out of that log. you know, we could keep it between ourselves, but the log remained, right? Yeah. So, anyhow, without really saying that out loud, we the kind of continuing that story is where our thought process kind of began and then how to frame the view without distracting. You know, it's so amazing. And so, we really wanted to play on the park's theme and the the scene with it. And so, um, we the the council and everybody helped us. We located the position where we think the the sculpture should be. And, uh, do we want to look at the next?

Yeah. Okay.

So, as you see these renderings, keep in mind these are, you know, it's so clear. Our job is to to to spell out what our idea is. It's it's it's really difficult because it's so clear, but we'll do our best to get that across to you. And this is a 3D rendering program. So, it's not a blueprint. So, as you see these, this is size, scale, color, you know, number of leaves, size, and everything. And so, it's kind of where we'll work to. And uh so the idea was the way the path is lined up, if we square these the trees to frame that, it doesn't quite catch your mountain top, but if you if you skew just a little bit, you can catch the mountain. And so we thought it would be ideal for, you know, a almost a destination kind of a situation where people, you know, we even joke maybe even wedding photos, you know, who knows what how what kind of of excitement this will produce. But so then, you know, the challenge is obviously, you know, you you're in touch with what could happen to art. And so that was our next concept is we're like, okay, how are we going to make this bulletproof? How are we going to make it out of reach? And um even though you know it's a very generous budget, we decided to stretch past and go, you know, as big as we could go. And so we wanted them up high to discourage. You're going to get climbers there. We're not going to get around that. Um and so we did some research on the diameter, which is discouraging, you know, not the greased flag pole, but you know, that kind of concept of what what is not fun to climb. And so we want to stick with that kind of diameter and then the reach um for those leaves. But um

it's like 12 feet up there. Yeah. Yeah. And so we feel that we we've done a pretty decent job. And the construction of the stainless steel is almost like an airplane wing. There's an armature underneath. And so with the way these plates are bent and attached to each other, it really makes this incredibly strong skin. And so there's not going to be any damage, no weather damage or any like any amount of wind or anything we're concerned with at all. And then the stainless will be this color 20 years from now. It just it may weather a little brown, but that

that's just it. Yeah. And it's easy to wipe. Yeah. Graffiti off. You just spider webs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so now we're back to the glass. Yeah. So, any questions? So, you have let's see. So, this slide gives an example of the the scale that the leaves will be in. And this is the largest size. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah, it is.

We're really hoping to get on those really sunny days, get some interaction where the the light casts onto the ground and the sidewalk and really get some fun color play with the shadows and stuff. Yeah. So, um, for example, this 3D rendering, it looks very computerized. It's nothing like this incredible craftsmanship that's on display here for the sample. So they will be natural and organic. Every inch of them completely handmade by these two artists. And um some of these images here just showcase that level of attention to detail and craftsmanship.

Yeah. Okay. So, and this is sort of the the the anchor point of our whole presentation. We we already had we actually showed up with this bench for the presentation. it. So, she got to test drive it. I sat on it. And so, this will be um Sharon's going to going to create a a little bit of glass in, you know, a vine. Yeah. So, we get a little bit of green. Just a hint that it's it's sprouted, you know, it's got some growth left and it to continue that story. So, and it will be positioned so that you can like look at Mount Reineer.

Yeah. Yeah. So even though the the two trees aren't squared up, we wanted this bench to be perfectly aligned with the mountain. So as you sit there and enjoy this, you can get that great view. Yeah. So if I were to go back here, these two kind of red semicircle areas are identified as the the bases um to which the trees would be mounted and installed. And then the blue angled um section there is where the log would be installed directly facing Mount Reineer. And I don't think they the first picture had it, but the deer was standing on top of a log. And so that log is now

a nod to the remnant that what they didn't take the bronze log. They just took the deer. Um so that new art will have a nod back to that log is the context for those two.

Thank you, council. Any questions? Council member Ball. Um mainly I expect that there will be many an engagement photo uh taking place at this site. Um I think the construction makes sense given the history with the bronze. I like the continuation of the story. Uh the leaves look uh delicate but um sturdy important for this site and I'm excited to see how the weathering will will reflect within the tree structure itself. So, thank you for your thought and effort in putting this uh proposal together. Any more questions?

I can't wait to see it. That looks that looks that looks that looks awesome. Um yeah, that looks beautiful. So, can't wait to see the finished product with that. I don't think there's any more questions. Thank you. Just so you know, the resolution will come back to council um next Monday for at the council meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys. This time we will turn it back over to Deputy Mayor.

Thank you, Council Member President Taylor. All right. So, our uh agenda items for council discussion tonight, we're going to start our first item of the agenda with ordinance number 7022 provided by Director Thomas. Good evening, Deputy Mayor, Mayor, and Council. Um, this should be pretty quick. Um, this is an amendment to our BNO tax code. I feel like I've been here a lot talking about this, but this really are just more clerical changes that need to be made. So, you will recall back in December, I came to you for some amendments that we need to make to the code. So, our code was in alignment with the model ordinance that the state requires our code to be in alignment with. And then we also came back in February to make some additional changes um that we also needed to make just kind of follow up our own housekeeping changes that we wanted to make to the code. We were notified a couple of weeks ago from our code publishing agency that some of our references um back to sections and the code no longer existed because we had edited out those um sections. So really this ordinance is just to eliminate the old references to like section one subsection A when it's now just section one now. Um and rather than subsection 1A, it really is just housekeeping. Um the attorney and both the um our city clerk said that these extend beyond just the scrivener error. So, we needed to uh make amendments to the code, but there is no substantive changes being made at all. It is really just eliminating um numbers and references to numbers that no longer exist in the code.

Good. Thank you, Director Thomas. Council, any questions? I see none. Okay.

Thank you. Let's move on to our next item, the fourth quarter 2025 financial report. Move over to the captaincy. All right, this is our fourth quarter 2025 financial report. I think that a lot of this will look familiar to you because we talked we talked about it actually as part of our uh budget amendment that uh budget amendment number four that we um just talked about uh a couple of weeks ago. So some of this will be a re a refresh of the items that we already talked about but with more detail. So, our summary uh page um in total we collected 6% more revenue compared to what we budgeted for and 1% more in revenue than we did in the prior year. Um and we underspent our budgeted expenditures by 10% but we have spent 24% more than we spent through the year of 2024. I'm going to go and I'm going to talk about our significant revenue sources uh in greater detail. Um but the one area that we won't look at is the transfers in and that is a significant variance between 2024 year to date and um our current year uh year to date and that is because we transferred in the remaining of the ARPA money that we had been accounting for in a separate ARPA fund. We had transferred that into the general fund and so that accounts for that large transfer in in 2024. We did not have a correspond a large reason to transfer money into the general fund in 2025. So that's why it looks like there's a large decrease. One of the other things that you'll notice though, and you see this in both of our our expenditure and how we've spent our expenditures, a lot of our

expenditures in 2025 were a result of carry forwards from 2024 from ARPA money that we carried forward into 2025. Um, so although there is a large uh we we spent a much more in 2025 than we did 2024, that was because we really started spending down our our ARPA funding um in 2025. And we'll also see that in our ARPA update a little bit later. So, our review of our tax revenues, we budgeted um or 80 $81 million of our entire general fund is accounted for um and supported by taxes um which makes up 74% of our general fund budget. Property tax is our largest taxing source. That makes up 31%. We budgeted $25.3 million. We collected just a little bit more than that by the end of the year. And the reason for that is I usually budget about 98 12% of our total property tax levy. Um we just collect we didn't collect 100% of what we levy but we did collect more than what I had budgeted for. I always account for tax delinquencies um and unpaid taxes when I budget for our property tax revenue. Retail sales tax and use tax makes up 20% um 28% of our taxes in the general fund with $22.6 million budgeted in 2025. We ended the year collecting $130,000 more than what we had um received last year year to date and $455,000 more um than our year-to- date budget or what we had budgeted for the year. And we're going to see this on the next slide. Also, I've been talking about the sales tax has actually been in decline and generally speaking, it has. The reason why we see that we outperformed the prior year actually is related to one large taxpayer that has been in the city

for um some time. Their sales tax has actually been going to another city. We discovered this this error. They are now reporting in Auburn. Um and so what we're seeing is now them on the tax roles um at the end of 2020. They came onto the tax roles um at the end of 2025. So a breakdown of our major um retail sales tax categories. The most notable ones uh as far as increases and decreases, we have our construction, and this is the same story I've been saying for the entire year, but we had some large con um school construction projects in 2022, 2023, and 2024. Those projects all wrapped up um in 2024. And what we're seeing is a decrease um really mostly as a result of those increased revenues that we had re that we had received in prior years related to school construction. Manufacturing saw an increase over both um our our year our year 2024 actual it's related to uh the transportation equipment manufacturing industry. Um, transportation. This is the one that always stands out to me that this is it's not a huge dollar amount, but it's still up 7% and $22,000. It's an overall pretty small category, but it is really just one industry that uh came up that started during COVID, and that is our courier services. So, all of our home transport uh all the things that we order online and have delivered to our homes. And uh even though it's not a huge impact in Auburn, it's it's a really interesting new category that that came out from the pandemic transport uh or and then then the automotive um $317,000 more year to date over 2024. And that's where that one new taxpayer has popped up. So that $317,000 is almost entirely

attributed to that one taxpayer which also then accounts for why we collected $180,000 more than last year in our sales tax overall. Um it is really entirely attributed to that one taxpayer. So it was nice to have an offset there with the rest of our revenues declining. Utility tax revenue, we have $16.3 million budgeted in 2025. We collected $1.3 million over budget and $1.8 million over the prior year. If you recall back when we did our midbanual budget amendment in October, November, we did in we did take into account our trend on these utilities and we increased both our 2025 budget as well as our 2026 budget to account for our higher than expected collections. And that has to do with base revenue being higher. Therefore, the tax that the general fund collects is higher. Uh particularly for our solid waste rates uh and um our external water, sewer and solid waste utility providers. Then we have our business and occupation tax which makes up 14%. We budgeted 11.7 million and we collected 13.4 4 million um which is $1.7 million um over our budget and that is a million of that 1.7 is attributed to our some delinquent taxes that we collected. So that's all of the taxes that we collected in 2025 that were related to prior years. So if we were looking at uh our actual 2025 collections, we're much closer to budget than uh what our actual compares. So what we budgeted for 2025 and what we collected for 2025 was actually much

closer. I also included the breakdown between of the total BNO tax we collected, how much of that is related to gross receipts versus the square footage tax, which is for warehousing activities. Uh and $7.8 million was uh gross receipts and $5.6 million was in the square foot tax. Other taxes make up 5.1% or $5.1 million or 6%. That includes our just our criminal justice sales tax. It's a portion of the state sales tax that they uh sent to us. Admissions tax, gambling tax, leaseold excise tax, and franchise fees. We are $377,000 over budget and $135,000 over our year our prior year year to date. And both of those really related to gambling tax. The most significant change in those other taxes was um just strong gambling tax collections, licenses and permits make up. So we've moved out of taxes and all of the other these are more of the services that we collect for the the fees that we collect for the services that we provide um for licenses and per permits. It makes up 3% of our total general fund with $2.9 million budgeted in 2025. And half of that revenue is building permit revenue. We did underperform compared to budget by 129,000 and we overperformed the uh prior year year to date by $213,000. Our business licenses and our building permit revenues have been outperforming um both on budget and um year to date. We our valuation of per permits in total is 60% higher than they were in 2024. A lot of those is new construction and tenant improvements, usually related to warehouse space and manufacturing space. Um, and we had an 18% increase in the actual total number of permits that we

uh building permits that we issued. So, between business licenses and building permits, we've we've done well. Um it's all of those other permit fees related to building permits, uh electrical permits, plumbing permits, um curb, um curb permits. Those those revenues have been lower than what we budgeted intergovernmental revenues. That includes all of our grants, our MIT compact, and our state shared revenue. Um, our state sh uh our state shared revenue includes streamline sales tax, motor vehicle excise tax, our marijuana and liquor excise tax, and our criminal justice sales tax, which is a different type of tax that I mentioned earlier that comes from the state. Um, we're both under budget and under yeartodate. On the budget piece, it's just the timing of our our grant collections. So, we for any grant revenue that we budgeted, it just means we haven't spent the money to be able to collect the revenue yet because it's a reimbursement basis. So, we just haven't collected all of the grant revenue that we have actually budgeted for. Our motor motor vehicle XICE tax revenues are also less than budget. Comparing our year-to- date performance, um that has to do with the timing of how we've collected our our compact money from the tribe. We had underolcted at the end of the year. we didn't collect our full amount um uh or we had overolcted in 2024 skewing our comparison for how much we've uh what we collected this year. It's just a timing difference between the two years. Um and then we again collected less motor vehicle excise tax and we also have collected less streamlined sales tax mitigation money which has been budgeted um but it's still less than what it was in prior years. In fact, July will be our last streamline sales tax mitigation payment that we collect from the state

that has been phased out over the last for a long time, but um for the last four years, it's been um been slowly phasing out charges for services. um our general government. Um these are our services for um like our passport fee collections. The um the cost for our indirect cost allocations for internal service departments out to other departments. Um really what's driving our over budget there is our passport services continue to remain strong. Um the our it's been about $3,500 above budget all year and it's maintained strong. Um, so go city clerk down there um on the first floor. They're they're working hard um to earn their $3500 above budget. Um public safety is also above budget by $42,000. This is mostly attributed to our extra duty services. So when our officers work um off duty for other agencies and other organizations, the offset to that revenue of course is the overtime that we pay our officers to do that work. development services is $87,000 above budget. I talked about um the building permit activity and how we've um out our building permit both the number of permits that we've issued and the value of those permits that we've issued have been greater in 2025. The other side to that is the plan check fees, the facility charges and the zoning and subdivision fees that are tied to that building permit activity um is also uh above budget as well. Our culture and recreation um ended the year $589,000 above budget or 19%. Um despite uh the water's best effort in December, our green fees and our pro shops still outperformed um budget and um prior year to date um finishing the year um

$375,000 over budget. So, um the of the 589,000 um 375,000 is related to our golf course activity and then um our other recreation programs make up for the additional the additional amount. Other fines and penalties um finished the year $867,000 over um the prior year um to date uh or budget. It should say 2025 year-to- date budget, not 2024. Um, so that is $867,000 over our current year budget and that is attributed to the BNO fines and penalties which account uh make up about $660,000 um dollars um in that $867,000 total. Our interest and investment earnings, we ended $1.8 $8 million over 2025 budget and $324,000 over our 2024 year end. And I've talked about our our portfolio and how we've been taking advantage of the the the yield curve and the the treasury rates and getting really stacking our our yield and our average um our average yields to get it higher. And we did exceed even our 2024 interest earnings. I don't expect that's going to happen now that the yield curve has finally corrected itself. Um, every 3 months we usually have um at least one maturity and we purchase our treasuries and our agencies um generally in $5 million chunks. So every time every 3 months we're reinvesting that $5 million and we are seeing the interest rate slowly um decrease although we're still I think our last one that we issued in March was still I think 3.89% 89%. Um, so still a decent return. Um, not 4.2, but still a

strong strong interest rate. And because this is your end, I will mention just our total cash and investment portfolio, which is in the front of the the full the full report that is included in your council packet. We have $105 million invested in those agencies and treasuries that that's um generating the $1.8 million in revenue. Um, and we have 153 million um, invested in the local government investment pool and we have $24 million in cash expenditures. So, this is how we ended the year. We ended the year under spending by $13.1 million. There were a couple um, a couple areas that we were over um, and municipal court was one. That is our King County District Court. Our King County District Court costs ended up ending the year a little bit higher than we had expected. And then streets that mostly has to do with our utility costs being higher than we had budgeted. Again, I talked about our utility tax that we're receiving from PSSE typically um is higher than um than we budgeted. That's because rates are higher and we are seeing that how we ended the year with the streets. Um, same thing that also impacts our our facilities fund as well as our parks, art, and wreck fund when it comes to our water utilities as well. Um, and then our internal service fun, our internal services, which includes HR, finance, legal, and our non-EP departmental fund, uh, ended the year $4.5 million under spending. and that there's a couple of uh significant things that um that contributed to the $4.5 million under spend. 4 million of that is coming from our non-EP departmental department, which is where we had budgeted for our debt, our debt service. We were we were

planning to issue money for the facility master plan. We did not end up issuing that debt yet, but we had budgeted for it and we budgeted $1.2 million. So that was budgeted to come out of that non-EP departmental fund which is attributed which is part of the savings and then we also had transfers that we had budgeted to spend sent to other again that ARPA money where we had budgeted to spend uh send some of the money from the general fund to some of our capital projects funds for ARPA funded projects. Not all of those projects are done. We did subsequently a lot of the savings we made up for in our carry forward budget amendment that we that council just adopted a couple of weeks ago. So big unspend um particularly on the debt service and then also on the ARPA on the ARPA but that did most of that got caught up with our carry forward budget amendment. Here's that ARPA update that I had mentioned earlier. We had originally received $14.7 million um in ARPA funds. We spent $1.2 million um in the fourth quarter of 2025 and our lifetime year-to- date spend is $10.1 million. And we have $4.6 million uh left to spend on those projects, many of which you saw in the carry forward budget amend or all of which you saw in the carry forward u budget amendments. our non-general fund highlights. Talking about our real estate excise tax, I like to always talk about this because this is one of our number one uh funding sources for large onetime capital needs related um to general governmental needs. We collected $3.6 million, which was $1.9 million less than we collected last year in REIT, but it was $1.8 million over budget. If we take into account all of the

projects that we have programmed out through the end of 2026, we have about 11.3 million in reunding or refunding available as we go into the 2027 2028 budget development. And I I shared I think with all of you at our uh retreat that we had back in April um and those numbers are still the same, but just to remind you that we have about 11 million available I don't typically talk about our water, sewer, storm, and solid waste utilities in the quarterly reports, but because they are significant funds, I like to go over with our fourth quarter report just to um give council awareness of how those funds are doing. Um for water, sewer, storm, we ended the year with operating incomes of 8.4, 5.1, and $1.3 million respectively. and then the fund balances of 23.3, 35 and $25 million respectively. All of those ending fund balances are higher than budgeted and all three are attributed to just the spendown of capital. Again, we've carried forward um the the spend down on those capital projects or we will be uh doing a carry forward on all those capital projects in the next budget amendment um because we still plan to do those capital projects just there's more projects than time sometimes. And then for the solid waste utility uh our overall funding balance was $2.8 million which was $822,000 greater than we had budgeted which is good. We had been budgeting conservatively and in the years of 2022 to 2024, we had actually budgeted for uh an income loss each of those years so we could slowly smooth out our rate increases over a 2-year or threeyear period of time. So, ending the year higher than budgeted um means that we accomplished our goal of smoothing out um smoothing out the rate increases over

time, but then still getting ourselves back into um a positive a positive cash flow and and fund balance position with the solid waste utility fund. That is the end. Council, any questions for Director Thomas? Not at this time. Seeing none. No questions, Director Thomas. All right. Look at you. Good job. Thank you very much. This one's going to go down in the record books.

Certainly appreciate that and your presentation tonight. Uh, all right, council. This is the section on the agenda where council can share topics of interest andor reports on special focus area matters. Report should be limited to five minutes. We will start with council member Ammer. I have nothing to report. Thank you. Council member Sturgis, are you there? Is she frozen? We'll come back to Council Member Sturgis. Council member Lot. I'm good. Nothing to report.

Okay. Council member Baldwin. uh was just going to give a shout out uh to our parks and recck department for helping out with the uh fishing derby uh this past weekend. Uh they were a little short staffed, but they got tents up, they got tables set up, and made a great difference for all the kids came out to fish. Um also had a chance to swing by the Auburn Food Bank's uh empty bowls fundraiser uh which I got to try two different soups. Uh both were very delicious. So would encourage folks to check that out next year. I also picked up three bowls um which are going to make great gifts for people. Um and uh also attended the uh NLC human development uh committee meeting last Tuesday uh where we were working on putting together um kind of our agenda for the coming year and AI was one of the big topics there.

Council member Sturgis, did you have anything? And that's a no. Okay. Council member Rakes, no report today. Council member Taylor, uh, we will be having our special focus group next Monday. That was early this weekend.

Uh, all right. Um, first I want to shout out uh the M tour that this weekend and the staff that came in on a beautiful Saturday. uh got to see Cole Creek Springs which was incredible. Wow, what a facility. Also um just a lot. So thank you director uh Galb and your staff for accommodating that tour. It was three hours of eyeopening experience. So I appreciate that. Uh I also serve on the regional transit committee on the April 21st regional transit committee meeting. We uh focused primarily on it was a joint briefing uh for the 2026 FIFA World Cup. We heard from our partners, King County Metro, Sound Transit, WASHDOT, and how they're coordinating to prevent rather prepare for the significant increase in travel during the event. Uh, a lot of discussions included safety, reliability, access uh, accessible transportation for both residents and visitors, coordinating across across agencies to manage transit capacity and system reliability, and then of course preparing infrastructure and operations to handle the largecale and high volume events. Uh, also council, I brought up in our last study session an update on the King County sewer rate increase. Uh, the council is proposing a 12.75% increase in sewer rates for next year. Again, that raises the average monthly charge from $62 to 70. So, that means an $8 increase per month for the wastewater portion of the bill. Uh, again, being largely driven by a significant capital investment about 14 billion over the next decade. Uh so that's to upgrade infrastructure, meet environmental regulations, and respond to more intense and storm events that are putting added strain on the system. Uh at the same time, again, I know we've all talked about it in some sort of capacity about the concerns around affordability and county leaders have acknowledged the impact on residents and they are looking at potential mitigation strategies including financial assistance programs and oversight

measures. Mayor, did you want to add anything on that? No. Fabulous. Okay. Uh with that we are going into a executive uh session per RCW42.30.110 to discuss with legal council representing the agency litigation or potential litigation to which the agency is or likely to become a party when the public knowledge regarding the discussion is likely to result in adverse legal or financial consequence to the agency. The length of time for this executive session is 20 minutes. So, we will resume uh the meeting. We're going to give us a few minutes. What time is it?

6:51. So, about 7 Let's go. 720 to give us a little time to get back there. Fabulous. Okay. Uh 20 minutes. 20. 20. Wait, 28. 28. Sorry. So then 7:28. No, wait. Okay. 7. Okay. Sorry. 7:50. 7:20 is fine, right? Well, that's just giving 8 minutes that you can't talk. Oh, well, okay. Well, then we don't want to do that. Uh, all right. What time? 7:15. Sounds great. All right. We'll do that. Three minutes to go.

Okay. In addition to city council mayor back, city attorney Jason Whan, assistant director public uh public works Jacob Swinging, uh, public works director Ingred Gab will be required to attend. There'll be no action following the executive session. Let's go.

We're back.

And by the way, I did have Melissa that she had the right Oh my god, I feel so good up here. All right, I call this meeting back to order. And with there being no more items on tonight's agenda, no further discussion, the meeting is adjourned. Thank you.